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Admins on a Power Trip

Xoloz - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Xoloz He banned me for an hour because I cleared my own Talk page. So I go over to the Talk Page help (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk) No where does it say you can't clear your talk page. Further it doesn't say anything about being banned for clearing your own talk page. Wow! good job Xoloz, you're really on the ball. By the way I recently heard this worship leader (Paul Guffey) and I thought I would see if he is on wikipedia. So I do a search and find this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_worship_music_artists Well sure enough he is on that list, so I go and try and add a page for him. Bad idea. It will get you banned. Oh well. --Rodgerbales

Hi

Hello! :) Chestnut string 22:02, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Oops. Oh well. Too late now! --M1ss1ontomars2k4 04:19, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Harry S. Truman has a period.

The idea that there's no period after the "S" is an urban legend. Harry S. Truman himself used the period both in his signature and on his letterhead. [1] - Nunh-huh 05:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

yes i realized that after i read the actual article on ol' harry. i trust you have changed it back already? M1ss1ontomars2k4 05:49, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But of course<g>! - Nunh-huh 05:50, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

George W. M. Reynolds

I have added some content to this article on a British novellist and journalist. I would be grateful if you could take a look.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Capitalistroadster (talk • contribs)

That's more of an article. Do you think you could add more? also, sign your name with four tildes. M1ss1ontomars2k4 05:02, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

AfD

Please use the {{prod}} or {{db}} tag if its not a controversial issue. Thanks in advance, --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 05:35, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

hm...i suppose so...i just don't like taking the risk that other will think its is controversial :( but if you say so.M1ss1ontomars2k4 05:43, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not to worry. If others object to the {{prod}} or {{db}} tag, they can always remove the tag and propose the article on AfD --TBC

^{??? ??? ???} 05:46, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Rothko

Hi, maybe it is because I go slower and fall behind, but I'm noticing that several people are missing some of the vandalism. For instance in Mark Rothko you'll see that the vandal made two edits, but you only reverted one of them. Of course, maybe that was just you picking the wrong link to start your revert. Just being grumpy I guess. You are definitely helping. Shenme 05:39, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

SpaghettiO's

I turned that nonsense page into a redirect to the actual brand. I had no idea it was normally spelled without a space. "Uh-oh", indeed... Bobak 05:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Opera (web browser)

Hi, thanks for your contribution to the opera article. I admire your dedication to getting the information, but I had to revert it due to Wikipedia's no original research policy. If you can find a reliable source that backs it up, you can include it. Thanks. - Motor (talk) 19:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Haha...oops i forgot about the WP:NOR stuff. But does that mean if i got a friend to do research and I added it to WP, does that still count as OR?M1ss1ontomars2k4 20:53, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Probably... yes it would still be OR. It depends on who the friend is and where he publishes his findings. Here's the relevant bit from the WP:NOR policy:

Wikipedia articles include material on the basis of verifiability, not truth. That is, we report what other reliable sources have published, whether or not we regard the material as accurate. In order to avoid doing original research, and in order to help improve the quality of Wikipedia articles, it is essential that any primary-source material, as well as any generalization, analysis, synthesis, interpretation, or evaluation of information or data, has been published by a reputable third-party publication (that is, not self-published) that is available to readers either from a website (other than Wikipedia) or through a public library.

- Motor (talk) 21:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How's this? It's a little outdated, but the same thing happens today. M1ss1ontomars2k4 00:04, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I took so long to reply... someone else posted on your talk page and I overlooked your note on the watchlist. That article is actually already included in the article, but under a different link. What you need is a reliable verifiable source (a news organistion, or even an Opera developer speaking in an official capacity), that you can use as a source for what you are saying today. (BTW: It's probably better to continue this on the Opera talk page. Thanks - Motor (talk) 02:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: My username

I was in an academic challenge club in high school too. We also did activities similar to quiz bowl. Your username is also very interesting. It's very longAcademic Challenger 23:54, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Federer

While I understand your concern, I do not believe the article should be deleted. A google search of his name reveals hits independent of his status as Roger's dad, and his study was published in a notable peer-reviewed, scholarly publication, indicating that it did in fact have some impact on the field in which he works (chemical whitening). We should definitely clean up and expand the article, but not delete it. What do you think? Stanley011 05:04, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Da Vinci Code

Hey I went ahead and did it yea but student-rant is there usual. Adding links in mid page instead of external solutions they way you requested and set the page up.

Hi, I saw that you've added {{sprotect}} to the Da Vinci Code's page. I appreciate your desire to stop/prevent vandalism, but merely adding that template doesn't protect the page. Since anonymous edits continued while it was present, it doesn't appear to dissuade vandalism either. If you think protection is warranted (and it may well be; I haven't been following very closely), you really should put in a request at WP:RPP. -- stubblyh ea d | ^T/_c 00:35, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! Erm...what does the sprotect thing do anyway, if it doesn't actually prevent nonsense edits?M1ss1ontomars2k4 00:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The template itself doesn't do anything, it's purely informational. Administrators can protect a page and can then put the template up to show that it's been done. You or I putting it there would be like adding Template:test5 to someone's user page--all talk, no action. -- stubblyh ea d | ^T/_c 00:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thanks. But that's boring. ;( M1ss1ontomars2k4 00:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, but at least it's effective. If you really feel that vandalism is a major problem for that article, then by all means put in a request for protection. -- stubblyh ea d | ^T/_c 00:47, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Request placed. Thx. M1ss1ontomars2k4 00:49, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

SCOTW

File:Chemistry-stub.png

You voted for Ammonia and this article is now the current Science Collaboration of the Week!
Please help to improve it to match the quality of an ideal Wikipedia science article.

SCOTW

File:Chemistry-stub.png

You contributed to the Science Collaboration of the Week that has just ended its run:

Orion Nebula - See improvements

Thanks, and let's keep improving it so it may become a Featured Article!

D e ryc k C. 11:02, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Woodlawn Catholic

Hi, I see you marked this article for speedy deletion. I almost did the same but couldn't find a CSD that it fell under, so I used the prod process instead. One small thought: if you come across an article that is tagged for prod (or AfD) and you decide to nominate it for speedy, could you leave the prod notice in place? That way if it is not speedied, it will still go through prod. There is no reason not to have both on the article. Thanks, Gwernol 00:59, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Deleting crap

Happy to oblige, though at 2am (roughly) local time it's about time I went to bed! -- Fr a ncs2000 01:08, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Da Vinci Code's tagging

Hi. Concerning this edit you made at this article. Notice that the article was never protected or semi-protected. The {{sprotected}} tag is only to be added when the article has been protected. Ordinarily, the Admin who protects the article will add the tag. Please do not re-add the tag again. If you believe that semi-protection is required for the article, please post a request at WP:RfPP, or, alternatively, contact an Admin directly and provide evidence to support your claim. Once the article has indeed been protected, then the tag will be re-inserted. Thanks, Redux 02:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, yes. I see it. I was browsing the requests for editing protected pages, where an anon had posted the odd request. But your request for protection was already up. I have reviewed it. Indeed, IPs have been spamming the article. I will protect the article. But since anons are doing it, semi-protection should suffice, and it will permit legitimate users to continue to work on the article. Thanks, Redux 02:47, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We are now trying to get the IP involved to stop before protecting the article. If he doesn't, he will be blocked. Then, if other IPs take over, I will protect the article. Redux 02:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I got your message. Thanks yea the user 67.101.128.6 who is telling me that I was going to get banned or something. Anyways you can see all day he has been messing with the page and other users have been continually reverting the page. Thanks M1ss Rodgerbales 03:01, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gwernol#da_vinci_code_page He is trying to blame this on the admin from my site when I am not even the one that is making the revision. Other people are making them because this guy is spamming. I did as you requested trying to abide by the rules of the wiki and even created a whole new blog just for the Da Vinci Code like you requested and he is blaming this one me. It's crazy especially since I am not even the one making the revisions, other users are.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodgerbales (talk • contribs)

Hi, thanks for your comment about 67.101.128.6 on my talk page. I came across him/her while looking at Recent Changes and I agree, there was a lot of spamming going on, escalating into an edit war, vandalism and gross WP:3RR violation. Along with Pegasus1138 I made a case on WP:AIV and 67.101.128.6 has now been blocked for 24 hours. I don't know what will happen after that time limit expires, but I hope the user takes this time to cool off and accept that they can't go around vandalising articles like that. Best, Gwernol 03:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

As spamming continued from different IPs, the article is now semi-protected. Regards, Redux 16:28, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Internet Threats

Hey, you seemed to be fairly knowledgable about Internet activity. This user from student-rant has create this page http://assfucked.blogspot.com and has threatened me. Is there something I should do about this? Rodgerbales 16:08, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

re webquest help links removed

I can't believe how you people run this place. WTF is wrong with you? There were 5 different linked sites that provided help on the Da Vinci Code webquests - 2 were for the original webquest and those links had been here on Wikipedia for several years without issue and were the most well-used resources for the webquests on the internet, and then 3 more links were recently added for help with the NEW Google webquests that just started this month. NOTE that these new Google webquests are not related to the older original webquests at all, and do NOT superced them in any manner. ONE person comes along who has created a new site that provides help ONLY for the NEW Google webquests (and no help whatsoever with the older original webquests), and this prat deletes ALL the links and information to ALL the webquest help sites both old and new, and replaces them with his own link, and when several site owners try to put their information back up, this clown repeatedly deletes it ..and then you mods back him up??? WTF is up with that??? PLEASE EXPLAIN YOUR ACTIONS??? Your page now provides absolutely no links to help with the original webquests, and only one link for help with the new webquest, which is all thanks to this one selfish prat from googlefact.blogspot.com. Oh wait, there's one more link too, and that's to his mirror site at davinciquest.blogspot.com. How can you justify your actions? The owner of googlefact.blogspot.com also posted on the site of one of the links he removed (student-rant.blogspot.com), to laugh at everyone and thank us all for the traffic and the ad-impression revenue it is generating for him. AND THIS IS WHAT YOU PEOPLE SEEM TO CONDONE???? If you could give some reason for your actions then perhaps all of us site owners who were deleted could understand, but we do not see that there is any justification for what you have done, nor has anyone offered any. The ONLY message we're getting here is that it pays to manipulate Wikipedia for personal gain and delete everyone else's links but your own. WE HUMBLY REQUEST YOU RECTIFY THIS MATTER AND THEN LOCK THE PAGE TO STOP THE PERSON WHO STARTED ALL THIS FROM DOING IT AGAIN - which happens to be the one link you have left on the page. At a bare minimum, restore the help links to the original webquests so people looking for help with them can actually get some. I still can't believe how unjustly you mods have administered this matter so far. The person who instigated this 'war' appears to be the person who posted above - Roger Bales. Explain your actions Roger and try telling the truth.

Look at the revert history -- it has more truth than you can handle. I never removed anybodys link from the page. Look at the very first revision that I made. I simply added my site to the page under your link. Thats all I did. Rodgerbales 18:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keith Marlowe

Please don't disrupt Wikipedia to make a point. He has just been through an articles for deletion process so a CSD nomination is not appropriate. After the duration of a suitable period of time (say two or three months) it might be appropriate to renominate for Articles for Deletion if the article is not referenced.Capitalistroadster 00:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification and apologies for the mistake. Capitalistroadster 00:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keith Marlowe Part II

Hey, please stop referring to me as a 'puppet' or whatever. Anyways, yes you did do WP:BITE, but whatever, sort of understood. Anyways, the reason being, when you keep inciting people to do that, my userpage keeps getting vandalized!! Its getting annoying. Anything you can do to help would be appreciated. Thx --Blogger82 01:13, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for helping to clear my userpage. Is there anything I can do to stop people from doing that?--Blogger82 01:22, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, no worries. I know how you thought that, but you should have probably just put a blurb on my discussion page and I would have responded. :) LOL, I'm worried when you said creating a userpage is (sort of) fun. I think I'll take a pass. Sort of sounds like I could regret it :)

I think we should keep Ameria's posting or whatever, but if it can't be backed up in 3 days, someone should erase it--that's my opinion on the whole thing. It took FellowWikipedian like a day to find some stuff about Marlowe, so it shouldn't take Ameria_Idol too long to find citations that prove his/her points or the points of 'others'.--Blogger82 01:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What To Do About This? Da Vinci Code

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Da_Vinci_Code#Solutions_addition

I don't care if their links are back in so long as mine is allowed to remain as well(I never took them out actually). Please advise. Rodgerbales 00:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rodger Bales you are so full of sh*t

Canadian-bio-stub

Just for future reference, we use {{Canada-bio-stub}}. Canadian-bio-stub was deleted per WP:SFD. Royboy crashfan 04:19, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

merge

I noticed you started an AFD on Characters Per Second in Typing. If you think the article should be merged and redirected, you're welcome to be bold and do it yourself. You don't have to wait for group consensus for something like that. Joyous | Talk 23:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan 'Ryu' Maginn

His B-Day is not in 1994. In his bio, it says "Years Active", that means how many years he has been an active rapper, not when he was born. Please get back to me when you read this. Jay 19:34, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No prob. Just wanted to clear that up with you. Jay 01:15, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Disambig with popups

Fixing disambigs isn't enabled by default, you have to enable the option "popupFixDabs" in your monobook.js as per Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation_popups#Options Regards, MartinRe 23:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. I think you also need to set simplePopups to false. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 00:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Sounds logical. The default for simplePopups is false anyway, which is why I never came across that issue as I never changed it. Hope it's all working now! :) Regards, MartinRe 00:22, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

re: Keith Marlowe

I sympathize with your frustration over the edit-warring which is occurring on this page. You are right to step in to attempt to mediate. However, your comment at the top of the page was over the line. You do not own the article any more than the anon users in the edit war do. You may not require anyone to "run everything by you" nor may you threaten to have anyone banned. To be honest, such threats are far more likely to get you blocked as a violation of WP:CIVIL, an action which would leave the edit-warriors with even less to hold them in check.

I trust that this was just a loss of temper and that reverting the comment is sufficient.

For the page itself, it looks like the edit war has died down for the night. If it continues, please contact me (or any other admin) and request that the page be temporarily protected. That is the normal approach to forcing the participants in an edit war to move their dispute to the Talk page. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 04:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

-Did you see the discussion page recently? I guess the truth comes out. I always KNEW there was some sort of political hatred going on there--that was the only explanation. Anyways I posted some comments there---I think we may finally be getting to the bottom of this whole thing, and quite possibly opening up the article to make it better without all these damn edit wars!--Blogger82 15:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Recent bot edits with misleading edit summary

If your bot is going to tag articles with {{db-bio}}, it should reflect that in the edit summary rather than "bot-aided spell checker"... (ESkog)^(Talk) 21:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Road Ahead; America's Creeping Revolution

Although I agree that this reads like a promotional piece for the book, it is also informative, and is not directing the reader of the article to a store or website where the book can be purchased. This is not a speedy deletion candidate, so I have restored the article and sent it to AfD instead. Cheers! BD2412 T 04:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bot

Your bot is creating some redirects, but they don't seem to work when the characters aren't normal ASCII. Specifically, your bot seems to be grabbing titles from the URLs and instead of putting in () , it's putting in &28 (or whatever the code is), which breaks the redirects. Mak (talk) 04:04, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Compare and contrast :(

If you do not fix your bot in the next 5 minutes, I will block it. Mak (talk) 04:34, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have blocked your bot for 1 hour. Contact me for an unblock. Mak (talk) 04:46, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks for blocking--regretfully, I wasn't at my computer at the time. I saw your example at that school thing in Brockton, MA. According to the diff, you've changed %28 and %29 to "(" ")", respectively. The redirects are confirmed to be broken. BTW, I've turned off the bot until this is resolved (duh...). Which, at the current moment, means pretty much forever, unless i go back to simple spell-checking. What I need to know (i think) is how UTF-8 is treated at wikipedia. If it's OK, if/when/etc. i get unblocked i will try one page with UTF-8 disabled, and maybe another with ASCII on (if that's an option). --M1ss1ontomars2k4 05:16, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll unblock you/ your bot/ hopefully your IP now (let me know if the unblock doesn't work, sometimes the autoblocks are weird). Unfortunately I don't know much about programming, but you can ask specific questions at the Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). Cheers, Mak (talk) 05:19, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to VandalProof!

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, M1ss1ontomars2k4/Archive 1! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. PS2pcGAMER (talk) 00:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

lol. VandalBot automatically welcomes the user when they are added to the access list, but for some reason it welcomed you three times and then crashed. Ironically, it didn't automatically welcome the other user that I also added at all. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 01:02, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: David Blaine

Sorry, there must be some misunderstanding, the only section that I wrote in the article was the popular culture section, while your link definitely suggests that I changed that part of the article about sex offenders, I promise that I didn't.

While you have solid evidence, I swear to you, I don't know muchabout that subject and so therefore I would never write about it. Thanks for clearing this up. Pumpkin Pi 15:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for clarifying. The information that I wrote was sumarized from the original super best friends article, but I will shorten my summary to make it fit the article better. You do great work, keep it up. Pumpkin Pi 02:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The page is blocked from editing due to vandalism. Sorry, I'm new to Wikipedia, is there any way around this in the short term, or does one just have to wait for the dust to settle. Thanks for helping me out. Pumpkin Pi 02:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You don't need to worry about re-adding it. Someone already summarized my paragraph in the trivia section. I'm glad this worked out in the end. Pumpkin Pi 02:57, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

use of nn in nominations

Good idea. Though for nn stuff it should probably be speedied anyway if you ask me. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 01:26, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In many cases, yes. But it's better, when we can, to give an article a chance to improve if there is a chance that it would actually benefit the encyclopedia. You may like the userbox {{user delete}}. Stifle (talk) 11:05, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Don't need more admins

I just think there are too many admins out there who abuse their powers, and so we need a sort of Request for removal of Admins or something before we have more. Ardenn 23:22, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, exactly! I'll do that next time, I don't comment on many RFA's. Ardenn 23:34, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vigor

Yes, I must have forgotten to finish the AfD for that article, although I can't imagine why. Thanks for letting me know, I'll do it again and this time right. Oh and thanks for letting me know about my "history of strange deletion practices", didn't know that either. Optimale ^Gu 11:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I know now why it didn't work yesterday and why I got confused! After adding {{subst:afd1}} to the article, the link to the deletion page already exists and shows a page with an already finished procedure of a speedy deletion process. So I was confused and thought maybe this article was deleted while I was working on it. Well, the same thing happens now again and as I'm not sure what to do with that strange phenomina, I'll forget the AfD for the moment and get on with my life. Optimale ^Gu 11:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Smokin ban

"In short, don't remove content from Wikipedia." This is not an absolute rule. I've read the discussion first, nobody there says that the personal habits of Hitler have any significance for the topic at hand. All doubt the NPOV of that part. If nobody defends this paragraph, why not delete it? If you have arguments, post them at discussion. But Hitler's habits are NOT an argument per se, or else we would have to quote his opinion at every other topic, like vegetarism, classical music, cars, art...81.14.152.197 23:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey,

After reading over the "Random Blank Areas" I discovered that they were generally false and were not supported by any sources. I'm not sure if you read over them in the page history, but they were incredibly offensive and racist and were most likely tagged on at some point by an abusive or racist user trying to spread a racist message.

Read it over, it clearly violates the NPOV policy.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.203.196 (talk • contribs)

Thanks for the heads-up

Yep, you were right, I have poor reverting skills. :) I guess I'll need to be more careful and make sure I revert everything next time. Mr. L e fty _{Talk to me!} 00:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

VF mac screenshot

thx, nice addition :) Henna 13:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My username

It could also mean

He/she is not a big-eared sedan chair
He/she is not fighting lust
He/she is not riding the rain.

But mostly it means he is not a big fish. - Ta bu shi da yu 01:35, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Viva La Wii60...

It says you put my article up for quick deletion...I wanted to know why...—Preceding unsigned comment added by Justicemanjj15 (talk • contribs)

"Shia view of"...

I think there are some more, those are only the ones that Striver listed in one of the afds. If you want go ahead and afd them, but I am not going to. You have to understand, that there is a group of people that surround this user and protect his "contributions" by systematically voting keep on his afds (many times resulting in no consensus keeps). It really gets quite annoying, I have been attacked by his "followers", he even launched an rfc against me. Doesn't matter what he does, even listing afds to articles solely to make a point (as I mention in my response in that rfc) they just defend him and it works, really discourages me from continuing to contribute to the project.--Jersey Devil 05:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How awful! I wish ppl didn't use WP for these purposes. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 05:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seems that the usual systematic keep votes are coming in. [2]--Jersey Devil 02:06, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Listen, Jersey Devil, I vote on what I see as the merit of the articles and the rules for keeping or deleting articles. I also give arguments. I'm not so sure about your nominations, some of which are hard to understand unless they are motivated by who created the article. If these articles are kept by consensus, you believe it was due to "usual defenders". Why don't you consider the possibility that the consensus was that you were wrong? --Lambiam ^Talk 06:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Then how come you've only added discussion to articles AfD'd by Jersey Devil? --M1ss1ontomars2k4 | T | C | @ 14:11, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe they are the only nominations I disagree with. --Lambiam ^Talk 00:36, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well there you go. This entire mess is just a set of semi-meaningless coincidences. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 | T | C | @ 00:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another one of his usual defenders. [3]--Jersey Devil 02:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mick Sleeper and randomcrapcruft

On Mick, I think you should clarify if have not done so already. Another thing, you really oughtta stop using "randomcrapcruft". When I first saw it, I laughed, but it's becoming an eyesore. Deleting articles is no laughing matter -- other people put in work and are easily offended by anything short of well-put arguments for deletion. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 05:16, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with CrazyRussian.--Jersey Devil 05:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, so do I. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 05:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gibbs free energy

How about "gibbs hates the students" ;)? And see talk page with regards to "free enthalpy". --M1ss1ontomars2k4 18:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To use memory tricks to remember equations is not advisable; it is better when the derivation of the equation becomes a part of you. In any event, memory tricks may be good for someone who is cramming for a test, but absolutely not good in scientific articles. To do so would reduce the quality of WP.--Sadi Carnot 16:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Photoionization detector

alright, good that this misunderstanding is cleared.. cheers—Preceding unsigned comment added by Genzo (talk • contribs)

Your RfA

Hi M1ss1ontomars2k4. I've been watching your RfA. My guess is you're unlikely to get to the 80% support generally regarded as consensus to promote. It looks to me like to community is saying you're a good editor who will make a good admin, but you need more time and edits. I supported you because I believe you are ready now, but I also know that as admin standards continue to rise its getting harder and harder to make your case. You might consider a dignified withdrawal and try again in a couple of months. I think you'll have a much greater chance of success then and no-one would hold a withdrawal at this stage against you.

If you do decide to withdraw, and you keep up the level of commitment and wisdom you've shown so far, I'd not only support your next RfA, but I'd also be interested in nominating you myself. All the best, Gw e rnol 15:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're doing exactly the right thing in withdrawing. This is a wise decision and shows that you have what it takes to be a really good Wikipedia admin. The good news is the oppose and neutral votes were very positive, especially compared with some recent RfAs. This bodes extremely well for another nomination in 2-3 months time. When you feel you are ready, please talk to me again about nominating you. Oh, and keep up the great work you do on Wikipedia, its actually far more important than whether you have the sysop bit or not. All the very best, Gw e rnol 22:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your RfA - part II

To our dear M1ss1ontomars - keep up the great work! We need more people like you around!

Dear Mission, I want you to know that I'm positive you'll make a great admin in no time, and that I praise your courage and self criticism in withdrawing your RfA for the moment. You're doing an awesome work - please, keep it up, and don't be discouraged. Nobody opposed because you're doing something wrong - on the contrary, we just want you to keep going exactly the way you do just for a little longer. So please, don't get down on me. You strike me not only as a superb editor, but as a great person too. If you ever need my help, or you just feel like talking, my Talk page will always be open to you. Kudos to you, dear Mission! Kisses, Phaedriel ♥ tell me - 22:10, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User comma-splice

This user fixes comma splices as they are annoying.

Wholeheartedly agree. How did the phenomenon ever come to be? (Yes, rhetorical.) Best wishes, David Kernow 04:23, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hm...should we create a "WikiProkect No Comma Splices"?

Chuckle... Actually, since I started editing Wikipedia in earnest, I reckon I've come by fewer examples than I might've expected. Meanwhile, however, there's always "its"/"it's"... I think editing Wikipedia is turning me into a grammar nut... Yours, David 02:12, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re:RfA

Hi,

I have added comments at the bottom of your RfA about what I feel. Its up to you to decide which way to take. Regards, -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 05:02, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vincent van Gogh

I saved my revert to the vandalism the same time as you, but you must have been half a second before me. I've left test2 on the user page. This article gets vandalised so much I've tried to have it semi-protected. It's just a predictable waste of time and it's not going to stop. See the talk page discussion. Best, Tyrenius 01:17, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The proposal's only been on the talk page for 2 days, so I think it might be best to leave there for another 3 days to give time for any more responses. Thanks for your useful addition. Tyrenius 01:38, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Symbol delete vote.svg

Hello. I noticed that you've used the "vote" symbol on AfD. Could I persuade you to not do that? While it often looks like a vote, it's not. Emphasising the binary/counting nature makes the discussion appear less important, when in fact it's the whole point. Thanks.
brenneman ^{L} 12:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for responding. I'd shy strongly away from taking people's images out. That's the kind of thing that can really get people's dander up. I'm more the "talk about it" kind of guy. - brenneman ^{L} 01:33, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wii

Hey, I'm fairly new to Wikipedia, so I wasn't sure how to talk, and deleted the link to the Wiire website before figuring out how to do this. (because the reversion what was I did understand how to do.) In any case, there was a discussion about the removal off non-official links to the console due to the fact that the console hadn't been released yet, and therefore nobody would really have anything that contributed anything of an encyclopedic nature. One of the people in the discussion deleted all of the links yesterday and nobody raised an issue. Is there some specific reason you felt it, and it alone should be re-added?72.130.21.164 06:45, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

VandalProof 1.2 Now Available

After a lenghty, but much-needed Wikibreak, I'm happy to announce that version 1.2 of VandalProof is now available for download! Beyond fixing some of the most obnoxious bugs, like the persistent crash on start-up that many have experienced, version 1.2 also offers a wide variety of new features, including a stub-sorter, a global user whitelist and blacklist, navigational controls, and greater customization. You can find a full list of the new features here. While I believe this release to be a significant improvement over the last, it's nonetheless nowhere near the end of the line for VandalProof. Thanks to Rob Church, I now have an account on test.wikipedia.org with SysOp rights and have already been hard at work incorporating administrative tools into VandalProof, which I plan to make available in the near future. An example of one such SysOp tool that I'm working on incorporating is my simple history merge tool, which simplifies the process of performing history merges from one article into another. Anyway, if you haven't already, I'd encourage you to download and install version 1.2 and take it out for a test-drive. As always, your suggestions for improvement are always appreciated, and I hope that you will find this new version useful. Happy editing! --AmiDaniel (talk) 02:52, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi right back!

Well, yes, there was some sleeping in short bursts. Also possibly some typing while sleeping <g>. - Nunh-huh 07:33, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

From User_talk:M1ss1ontomars2k4/Userboxes

Ptah is also pronounced Peter (P-TAH) as in Peter the fisherman. Fishing refers to the sexual act amongst other things.

I have made no joke comments to date.

Egyptian centered catholicism is not the same as Protestantism.

PTAH refers to the Power of Thoth Atum Horus hence P.T.A.H.

This is not the same as Pater (Father) as GOD Himself is too powerful to be here.

[email protected]

I hope this reaches you.

On another point I suggest that the circular temple behind the Sphinx on the other side of the Pyramid of Khafre is the Hall Of Records of US all and may also be interprested as HORUS.

You wil find a lot of connection in the abbreviations such as BC which refers to a Broken Cripple as depicted by the figure of 'Christ' on a cross.

'Christ' is purported to have fed 5000 people fish and loaves not 5 billion.

The figure 5000 stands for 5000 years.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.244.126.182 (talk • contribs)

The RfA Candidate's Song

I just saw your post about this hilarious song. You can hear the original here: [4] (bottom, last line) and here [5] (links section, middle). The first one is the oldest but better recording. It is Gilbert and Sullivan's When I Was A Lad, from the operetta H.M.S. Pinafore. Regards. Valentinian ^(talk) 20:49, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're absolutely right, I got the two mixed up. I was thinking about this link: http://www.bentleyschool.net/intranet/upper/faculty/alielgasseir/pp-music/ Valentinian ^(talk) 06:00, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Omicon

Wow, that's a weird article. As far as I can tell its a weird mix of original research (Omicon is the "most little (sic)" part of an atom? Its a revolutionary non-technology?) and mis-spelling of Omicron. Its unsourced, so unverifiable, of course. I'd be bold and REDIRECT it to Omicron as a reasonable mis-spelling. If the user complains, then revert the REDIRECT to its current state and AfD it, which I'm sure would come to the same conclusion. Well spotted, Gw e rnol 23:28, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Thank you for looking into my problem for me. I still think is was treated unfairly because it was indeed my first 3RR offence and would like at least an apology from William M. Connolley but doubt it is going to happen. But anyway, Thank you for your help--DivineShadow218 23:39, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, all I wanted was my arugment to be heard, thats all. I am going to make a proposel soon about blocking per the 3RR rule, even though I had a 2 blocks befor (for moving a page when I was new) 5 months ago, I think, does not yeild a 24 hr punishment for the 3RR. As far as the Exernal links on the Wii article, it is being disputied right now, and its good that I can atleast have a say now. --DivineShadow218 02:10, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nope... it was a TV show... where I thought the second word needed to be capatalized.--DivineShadow218 03:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

one more thing, since you helped me out with this, maybe you would like to give your oppinion/vote in TheWiire.com Vote on the wii talk page. every vote counts. Thanks--DivineShadow218 10:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nissan Open

I know the tournament is in California, I created the article, though I don't know how the Hawai'i category slipped in there when I made it. I was reverting his version, as he wikified all of the golf courses. I stated in the Talk of the page that these courses are somewhat non-notable, and will probably never have their own page on Wikipedia. :) DakPow e rs (Talk) 01:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still learning this, I'm fairly new. Have to learn somehow, right? :) Thanks for your help and advice. DakPow e rs (Talk) 01:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah

I actually haven't welcomed someone in a while, as in the past i welcomed tons of new people, so I am getting back into the trend. Thetruthbelow ^(talk) 01:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What Time Zone I'm In

GMT (-5) Memahb 01:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reversion props

Thanks for reverting my user page, although it was actually me who did the "vandalizing" while not logged in. --DethFromAbove 07:19, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome

I use User talk:Mel Etitis/Wel. I've noticed quite a few variants on this (imitation is the sincerest form of flattery), as well as other personalised Welcome templates (also often copied and adapted by other editors). You can either create your own from scratch, or find one that you like and personalise it. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 08:26, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Esperanza!

Welcome, M1ss1ontomars2k4, to Esperanza, the Wikipedia member association! As you might know, all the Esperanzians share one important goal: the success of this encyclopedia. Within that, we then attempt to strengthen the community bonds, and be the "approachable" side of the project. All of our ideals are held in the Charter, the governing document of the association.

Now that you are a member, you might be interested in some of our programs. A quite important program is the StressUnit, which seeks to support editors who have encountered any stress from their Wikipedia events, and are seeking to leave the project. So far, Esperanza can be credited with the support and retention of several users. We have a calendar of special events, member birthdays, and other holidays that you can add to and follow.

In addition to these projects, several more missions of Esperanza are in development, and are currently being created at Esperanza/Possibles.

I encourage you to take an active voice in the running of Esperanza. We have a small government system, headed by our Administrator general, Celestianpower, and guided by the Advisory Committee, Titoxd, JoanneB, and Freakofnurture.

If you have any other questions, concerns, comments, or general ideas, Esperanzian or otherwise, know that you can always contact Celestianpower by email or talk page, or the Esperanza talk page. Alternatively, you could communicate with fellow users on our IRC channel, #wikipedia-esperanza (which is also good for a fun chat or two :). If you're new to IRC, please see the IRC Tutorial, which was written by one of our members. I thank you for joining Esperanza, and look forward to working with you in making Wikipedia a better place to be!

Thanks!—G.H e 17:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

aslghjlkja Hi from School

ASLKDJFLKASJdf. Hi. 2k4 was two years ago, you're slow.

Evillic 19:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Vandalism

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		for beating me to the revert on Japan aricle vandalism. great work! preschooler @heart 22:41, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Brittle star

I was on RCP and I saw "to last version by M1ss1ontomars2k4." You just don't know how creepy it is when you see someone else revert to your revision...from over a month ago. ;) Check the history if you don't know what I mean. --M1ss1ontom a rs2k4 | T | C | @ 23:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't even seen the date. I agree with you, though. I guess some vandals think that obscure pages aren't looked over often. :) DakPow e rs (Talk) 23:25, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nuisance

You are a meddling individual, who uses systems unkown to most users to impose your personally held viewpoints. You should be banned from any officially held role on Wikipedia.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Lawsonrob (talk • contribs)

Lawsonrob

I got upset with him a bit and mocked him on his talk page. Probably shouldn't have. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 23:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi M1ss1ontomars2k4, no problems reverting the user page vandaism from this guy. He did seem to over-react a little. Gw e rnol 01:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Falsafatuna

Hello, My article on Falsafatuna is being considered for deletion. I would REALLY appreciate it if you could give me some pointers to prevent this from happening. Parihan 00:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Duh! I'm so stupid. Thanks for making this clear! Parihan 01:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm...

Man, you've been VandalProofing for (almost) 10 hours straight!!! --M1ss1ontom a rs2k4 ^{(T | C | @)} 04:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you know I've been here... Then you must still be here yourself! Actually, I took about a 5 hour break :P -- DakPow e rs (Talk) 04:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What sucks is that the Wind0wz "PC" I use is actually Virtual PC on my Mac. So most of the time I just use popups, since VP gets too slow. --M1ss1ontom a rs2k4 ^{(T | C | @)} 04:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That stinks! I bet someone'd get a lot of praise for making a utility for Mac. I'd do it, but I don't have much programming knowledge. Things been quiet today? DakPow e rs (Talk) 05:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re. Ardenn's "don't need more admins"

You make a very good point, dear Mission - from my humble experience and after talking to many foreign editors for whom english is second (or even third) language, I believe that every day, en.wiki receives flocks of editors who prefer to edit here instead of their own language wikis. This surely leads to us having an immense number of junk accounts, yes - tho I also think you're right when you estimate that the number of valuable and committed editors here is also greatly growing. Considering that the number of active admins is somewhere around 300 or so, according to the last estimations I saw, I believe we should have more admins, willing to control the surmounting vandalism and general administrative duties. So, keep this in mind - and reapply asap! We need guys like you with that mop in hand ;) Big big hug, Phaedriel ♥ tell me - 22:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The way I walk is just the way I walk. The way I sign is just the way I sign

Apologies if I signed with five tildaes, rather than four. I sometimes loose track in the BC hours (before coffee). I'll be more atentive. Rsm99833 03:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How?

How did you know I vandalized? It was hardly noticable! 64.40.60.219 01:13, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Question.

Hi, I just wan to know about something. May I ask you about something? Today, I have been trying to put the colors to my ID when I sent them message. I still can't figure out how to put the color for ID. Suddenly, I saw that there are many users use special colors in his/her ID. I'm just curious about putting colors in my ID. So, Could you explain to me how to put the color in my own ID when I send them message? Please, Explain about this question in my discussion page. Thank you. Daniel5127, 04:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Four Titles

Please see the discussion on my talk page. When I use the four tildes to sign my name it comes out incorrectly, so RadioKirk is trying to contact software people to fix it. For now-I'm using three which come out correctly. I have been doing it a little differently, sometimes adding a link to the discussion page. ForestH2

5 tidles-My name comes out weird. I'm going to stick with just writing the whole thing out for now.

My name doesn't even come out: 18:56, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I get my name after the (UTC) so it came out like this. ForestH2 21:47 27 May 2006 (UTC)ForestH2. ForestH2 as 72.129.123.139

Problematic school article

That diff was actually what led me to the article, while clicking down a screen of recent changes. I assume if we just watch the article as appropriate and wait it out, the article will settle down soon enough; according to the chunk of text I removed, they just had their student council elections on Friday, so it looks like now everyone wants to go on here and fight it out. It'll settle down in a few days, and who knows, the message I left on the talk page might even have an effect. In any event, don't worry about temporarily reverting me; I've made far worse mistakes on here, and the world hasn't stopped spinning yet (that I've noticed). --Robth^Talk 05:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

AfD closure

I am sure you could have closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Fox Lane Players - History yourself. No-one would have complained. -- RHaworth 08:21, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sasha Abunnadi

Thanks for the heads up, but I wasn't expermenting. I was deleting a page I wrote becuase I wasn't happy with it. User:MBCC

Golden Dawn tradition dispute

The anon user may not understand Talk pages. I have left a full welcome on their Talk page; I hope that they will understand it. If there is no response in twenty-four hours or so, I'll unprotect. If the anon user only returns then and continues without discussion, semi-protection would be appropriate. Jkelly 22:03, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Little busy with image copyvios at the moment. Jkelly 22:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please see my reply to this thread entitled: Golden Dawn tradition dispute, infra to this note.Frater FiatLux 03:15, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

BITE

Thanks for pointing it out. I thought that what the article actually needed was a bit of hand-holding, and ditto for the user. I can see you tried that, so I withdraw it the allegation. Hornplease 22:44, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That being said, I maintain that it is a little strange that the article was nominated for an AfD, given the importance of te book's author. (Possible vanity?) I strongly suggest you read the entire article and follow one or two of the hyperlinks before nominating things for AfD, especially if you happen to be unfamiliar with the culture. Hornplease 22:57, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all. Your point about the term is persuasive. Hornplease 23:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for the heads up ! :o) MBCC

Lol (apatite)

Lol. Sometimes I just can't help myself.

You know the old GBS quote "Some men see things as they are and ask Why. I dream things that never were and ask Why Not".

Well, my version of that is "I see connections that only a madman would see, and say Cool". One could say I have an apatite for such things. Cheers. JackofOz 05:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strange

Strange...the original article is still there, though. Yanksox 17:50, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the Revert!

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page! I saw a revert on my watchlist. Apparently a "reply" from a vandalism revert! With WikiLove, ~Linuxerist

A/C/E/L/P/S/T/Z 18:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I got the note right aftter posting this. Thanks again, ~Linuxerist

A/C/E/L/P/S/T/Z 18:41, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Userboxes

I made your userboxes all nice and lined up with tables. I hope you like them now! ~Linuxerist A/C/E/L/P/S/T/Z 19:46, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Golden Dawn tradition dispute

Dear J. Kelly:

The only evidence that Cicero operated a Golden Dawn temple in 1977 comes from Cicero's own book, and one reference to that same book by a friend. In fact, Cicero's only formal contact in the Occult community in 1977 was the O.T.O.'s Major Grady McMurty.

While, like tens of thousands of others, Cicero may have bought a copy of Regardie's doorstopper/black book, he did not meet Regardie until Pat Behman (a/k/a Cris Monnastre) and Regardie flew down, at Behman's insistence, to Athens, Ga. This was in the early 1980s (where Cicero, as is a matter of public record, see the attached links to the affidavit of Charles Cicero, infra to this text; Cicero operated a strip club- "The Shady Lady").

Monnastre did in fact write the introduction to Regardie’s -black book- and it is P.O.V. of J.M. to attempt to link Cicero to a work totally unrelated to him. Llewellyn in fact has largely stopped publishing Cicero's works, which H.O.G.D., Inc. now markets through Thoth Publications.

Regardie's ONLY students were Pat Behman, Larry Epperson, William Kelly and Alan Millar, and Cicero has admitted that he was never initiated into ANY grade of the Golden Dawn by Regardie (all Cicero's initiations come from Epperson). In fact, Cicero only briefly met Regardie on two or three occasions. Regardie left the bulk of his papers to Alan Miller/Gary Ford's "Isreal Reardie Foundation," and gifted his magical tools to Pat Behman, (who gifted them to David Griffin).

As to the fact that Cicero licensees deviate from Golden Dawn tradition, please see the landmarks provision of the contract between Griffin/Behman's H.O.G.D. and Cicero's H.O.G.D., Inc. (and the associated sale of partnership from Behman to Griffin). The links infra to this text, to which the attached documents originate, are from public records. There is currently ongoing litigation, which seeks to invalidate these licenses. (Including those of J.M.'s group, which is heavily Thelemic in orientation).

Please note that J.M. has inappropriately, and in a very unprincipled manner, altered the H.O.G.D. entry in a manner that is not only P.O.V. but incorrect, defamatory and malicious. The correct entry should be:

"====The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn/Rosicrucian Order of the A+O====

["javascript:ol('http://www.golden-dawn.com');" Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn/Rosicrucian A+O]

is currently a sole proprietorship originally organized as a general partnership in 1992 by Patricia Behman (aka Cris Monnastre, a student of Regardie's) and David John Griffin. Behman had operated the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn temples in Los Angeles throughout the 1980s. Prompted by Regardie, Behman formed an unincorporated association with Charles Cicero and Adam Forrest. After withdrawing her endorsement from that organization in 1992 to continue the unschismed version with Griffin, she eventually sold her partnership interest to Griffin in May, 1998. Griffin's H.O.G.D. has modernized the practices of the original Order of Westcott and Mathers since it teaches all the previously published Inner Order materials and practices (notably by Regardie) in the Outer Order. It thus allows adepti to follow a structured curriculum in advanced Hermetic Alchemy. The material taught in their Outer Order is described in "The Ritual Magic Manual: A Comprehensive Course in Practical Magic", by David John Griffin. Mr. Griffin holds the European Community trademark to the name "Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn" registered with the Office of Harmonization in the Internal Market (O.H.I.M.), holds the trademark in Canada, and has a contractual agreement with H.O.G.D. Inc. to share the name "Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn" on a worldwide basis."

Please contact me should you have any questions. Thank you. Frater FiatLux 03:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the attached links to: 1.Affidavit of Charles Cicero, 2.The landmarks provision of the contract between Griffin/Behman's H.O.G.D. and Cicero's H.O.G.D., Inc. 3.The associated sale of partnership from Behman to Griffin.

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Furthermore to the supra posting:

The information in this, the present article, now under protection, is derived from “published” book sources. I’m not trying to make any new statements, the article in it’s present, protected form is the most accurate and the one that I am in agreement with. I’m merely validating the present version, under protection, with HARD, VERIFIABLE, ORIGINAL COURT AFFIDAVITS; as evidence for why the present version of the article, after it was rightly protected from the unscrupulous persons that kept trying to tamper with it, with a NON P.O.V., biased version. Is indeed, the correct and most neutral non P.O.V. version I feel is possible. My EVIDENCE and points made in the supra postings only go to confirm this.

I reiterate I’m not trying to change the article, or make any new statements; I’m trying to preserve the article in its present, correct, non P.O.V. version. Which is now, quite rightfully under protection from opportunists, with heavy motive, to deform and corrupt the article to their own biased P.O.V. and exacting needs.

Please contact me, should you have any further questions. Thank you, Frater FiatLux 14:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Blnguyen's RfA

File:Atlanticpuffin4.jpg

Hello M1ss1ontomars2k4. Thank you for your support at request for adminship which ended at the overwhelming and flattering result of (160/1/0), and leaves me in a position of having to live up to a high standard of community expectation. If you need help with admin powers, feel free to ask me. Of course, if I make any procedural mistakes, feel free to point them out and I look forward to working with you in the future, and voting for your future RfA.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 03:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Protection

This has actually been a point of much discussion, and pages linked from the mian page, especially the featured article, remain unprotected with good reason. See the note in the protection policy: "When a page is particularly high profile, either because it is linked off the main page, or because it has recently received a prominent link from offsite, it will often become a target for vandalism. It is not appropriate to protect pages in this case. Instead, consider adding them to your watchlist, and reverting vandalism yourself." There's some insightful reasoning for this at User:Raul654/protection. Dmcdevit·t 00:35, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

interwikis

Hi, please take into consideration that copying interwikis is slightly more complex - when copying from en: to bg: (like in bg:Натриев хлорид) you should remove the Bulgarian name from the list, and add the English one instead. -- Goldie (tell me) 01:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Free Bird

Here you go ;). Afraid we're out of poultry, though. :D Master of Puppets ^{FREE BIRD!} 05:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Go here. FellowWikip e dian 01:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? We have plenty of poultry - chickens, ducks, geese, you name it! BD2412 T 03:58, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

Thank you and sorry. It was a mistake indeed. Adam78 00:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Trek

I hope you'll be okay being labelled anti-trek, puppy-eater extraordinairre and all that comes with for agreeing with me ;) --Crossmr 17:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I'm not usually Anti-Trek--I usually end up taking care of Star Trek-related stuff for my school's quizbowl team. It's just that the list was just a bit too detailed to stay here. --M1ss1ontom a rs2k4 ^{(T | C | @)} 23:22, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you're anti-trek, but I've gotten nothing but flack for not agreeing that everything that bears or is related to trek is 100% gold ;) --Crossmr 23:25, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your mediation request

Hello there. Concerning your mediation request at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-01-11 Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, I would recommend that you file a new request for mediation and link to the old case just for reference. That case was from February and it has since accumulated quite a bit of confusion discussion and has also been archived. Creating a new case request at The Mediation Cabal will provide a nice clean template for mediators to work with. Thanks. Cowman109^Talk 21:22, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RfA Candidate's Song

Great initiative. Thumbs up. Valentinian ^(talk) 23:22, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion

You created Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steci but you didn't tag Steci for deletion. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 17:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Don 't know why I didn't do it. Sorry. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 17:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RfC on Frater FiatLux

Since you were the first user to try to resolve the dispute, thought you might want to endorse or comment on this -999 (Talk) 12:49, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A short Esperanzial update

As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, —Cel es tianpower ^háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Vandal Warning

I want to apologize for the vandal warning I placed on your talk page last night. I think it must have been a goof up with Vandal Proof, because it was not my intention. I see that someone else has removed the warning, but I just wanted to touch base about it. Cheers! --NMChico24 21:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your support in my RfA!

Thanks for voting!
Hello M1ss1ontomars2k4/Archive 1, and thanks for your support in my recent RfA. I'm pleased to announce that it passed with a final tally of (96/0/0). I was overwhelmed by all of the nice comments and votes of confidence from everyone. Thanks again, and see you around! OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 22:25, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RfA Thanks

Thank you!

Thank you, Red Planet Voyager, for your support in my RfA. I appreciate your trust and support, and I will do my best to further help this great encyclopædia and community of ours. If there is anything that you feel I can do to help, please let me know. -- Avi 23:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

I gave him the wrong warning template but the plot he reverted to is actully violating the size. Therefore, Raditzu cut down the plot so it wouldn't violate it. Daniel5127 reverted and I warned him for reverting. I used Test2a but I'll change to Test2. And you just vandalized the page by reverting. Please reply on my talk page. Treebark 21:17, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes. Though Daniel still gets a warning because he has enough sense to look at the talk page if a user has removed the plot. If its an IP then, you can revert and the IP can say "Oh well the plot was violating the standard plot size" Treebark 21:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But that was vandalisim! Treebark 21:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have made my point. If Daniel can't even look at a talk page let alone Xaosflux, I'm not sure why he reverted. And you also should know that it was violating the standard plot size, as you've been around a while and so has Xaosflux, let alone he is an admin. So Xaosfulx should know that it was violating the plot and he shouldn't have reverted. I have a question. How did you pick your username? I like it but...Treebark 18:12, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Daniel5127, should not revert so that the plot is violating the standard plot. It is considered vandalism if you revert so the plot does violate the standard summary/plot. Still, he should have known better. He's been here since March, and he's read the policies. So have you, and so has Xaosflux. And I'm suprised. So has Raditzu, and he hasn't been here that long. And at least he fixed the article. Treebark 18:22, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel5127

Daniel5127 has a problem. He won't let anybody say he's vandalized pages which he has done multiple times in the past. He still shouldn't be removing messages. I spoke with him about this. Every time someone gives him a vandalisim warning he removes it. Every time I send him a message HE removes it. He does not understand Wikipedia that well, and should be blocked for a various number of things, such as violating rules, removing messages, vandalizing pages etc. When voting on a request for adminship he puts Support. He doesn't judge the editor, or look at there contribs account, nothing. He just supports them, if other people are supporting them. He puts "This user would make a great admin" all the time. When he opposes, it's because other people oppose. On Articles for deletion, he puts Delete, when it is actully a really good article, and puts per above or sometimes It reads like an advertisement. Many of the other editors don't think this and ask him why, never replies. I keep an eye on his contributions account, most of which are vandalisim reverts. He doesn't know how to use warning templates, using vandalisim for blanking, blanking for removing content etc. When on WP:AIV, he also doesn't know what he's doing. He asked for protection, when there hasn't been reverts in days, (previous to that there were tons) or when, there was on revert on the day he asked. He is uncivil to some editors. He doesn't read Wikipedia policies. (not to mention, he's violates the 3RR, about a dozen times, though no block yet) He thinks it is complicated when someone copy/pastes on a talkpage which is wrong. Users are just doing what they are supposed to do per Wikipedia policies. He demanded that another user copy/pasting messages on talkpages which was very uncivil. He has other problems, but I don't have time to go into them with you as I'm on a trip. You should watch his contributions and see what I mean. (they may stop) Please consider what I said. Thanks. ForestH2 | + | √+ | √ | √- | - 18:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks from Northenglish!

Hi there! Thank you for voting on my recent request for adminship, which did not succeed by a vote of 3/14/3. Not to worry, though; I am far from disappointed. The vast majority of the votes, even those in opposition, were quite positive. To be honest, I was not expecting it to succeed, and nominated myself on a bold spur-of-the-moment decision. Apparently, I'm not quite as experienced as I thought I was--I was sure I registered in February rather than April--but never fear! Emc² said it best: "Besides, you don't need to be a sysop to write good articles." I'll just continue doing what I'm doing, and perhaps I'll see you again in three months' time. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 03:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Changes in UI as of 10.4.7?

I've noticed that the Apple logo and the Spotlight thingy in the menubar are now slightly smaller. Has anyone else noticed this? --M1ss1ontom a rs2k4 ^{(T | C | @)} 00:42, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source to back this up? AlistairMcMillan 00:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously not; I'm posting here awaiting verification. It seemed noticeably smaller and, compared to old screenshots, is in fact smaller, but as I said, I need verification. --M1ss1ontom a rs2k4 ^{(T | C | @)} 04:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK; I've posted screenshots, but I'm still waiting for verification as my computer may simply be weird. --M1ss1ontom a rs2k4 ^{(T | C | @)} 04:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

old, 7 Dec 2005--10.4.4, probably

new, 6 Jul 2006--10.4.7, fosho

Oh yeah--the best way to see the difference is to use a tabbed browser and focus carefully on the objects in question. And, FYI, I was not using MSIE of my own volition. It was that stupid chem software that had some messed up HTML. --M1ss1ontom a rs2k4 ^{(T | C | @)} 04:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, first thing, we have policies against original research. Something like this could only be included in the article if you had sources to back it up.

Second thing, on my Powerbook running 10.4.7, the icons look the same as they do in your old.png image. Where they almost touch the top and bottom of the menubar. Is there any chance you are or have used one of the themeing apps recently or perhaps messed around with the resolution independence thing in the developer tools? AlistairMcMillan 05:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your support!

Good evening, M1ss1ontomars2k4. Thank you for your support at my Request for Adminship, which succeeded with a final tally of (67/0/0)! Please don't hesitate to let me know if you have suggestions or requests - either of an admin nature or otherwise! :)

Wknight94 (Talk | contribs) 01:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Flcelloguy's Tool

Hi; we're releasing a new version of Flcelloguy's Tool! If you'd like, please update the mirror, since the old version no longer works - thank you. Happy editing! —AySz88 \^-^ 06:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

August Esperanza Newsletter

Program Feature: To-Do List
The Esperanza To-Do List is a place where you may list any request, big or small, for assistance. If you need help with archiving your usertalk, for example, all you need to do is list it here and somebody will help you out. Likewise, if you need help with some area of editing on Wikipedia, list it here! Again, any matter, trivial or not, can be placed on this page. However, all matters listed on this page must not be of an argumentative nature. You do not need to be a member of Esperanza (or this program) to place or fulfill requests on this page. If you don't have any requests, consider coming by and fulfilling a few! This program has not been very active, but has lots of potential!
What's New?
In order to help proposed programs become specific enough to make into full-fledged programs, the In development section of the proposals page has been created. Proposals that are promising, but need to be organized in more detail are listed here. Please take a look at what is there, and help the proposals turn into programs.
To improve both the layout and text of the front page, in an attempt to clarify the image of Esperanza, the front page is going to have some redesigning take place. Please take your creative minds to Wikipedia:Esperanza/Front page redesign to brainstorm good ideas.
Many thanks to MiszaBot, courtesy of Misza13, for delivering the newsletter.

The last AC meeting (full log)
In order to make sure all users who join Esperanza are welcomed, a list of volunteers who are willing to welcome new Esperanzians is at Wikipedia:Esperanza/Members#Esperanza_welcomers. Please add yourself if you are interested; we want to make sure all new Esperanza members are welcomed! The In development section of the proposals page has been created. Proposals page: Some proposals have been moved to the aforementioned "In development" section, some have been left as a proposal, and others have been archived. For those proposals that were a good idea but didn't necessarily constitute a program, General Esperanzial Actions has been created. Two small pieces of charter reform will be decided on in a straw poll at Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Governance. One involves filling the position of any councillors who may leave, the other involves reforming the charter. Until cooperation with the Kindness Campaign is better defined, it remains as a proposed program. There is a page for discussing the front page redesign.
Signed...
Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, Freakofnurture, and Titoxd 05:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Although having the newsletter appear on everyone's userpage is desired, this may not be ideal for everyone. If, in the future, you wish to receive a link to the newsletter, rather than the newsletter itself, you may add yourself to Wikipedia:Esperanza/Newsletter/Opt Out List.

Chorus

M1ss1ontomars2k4. Sorry it's taken me so long to thank you for the brilliant job you did on the RFA candidate's song. It sounds great! Bucketsofg✐ 02:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Birds on stamps

In the AfD discussion for Birds on stamps, you voted delete, on the basis that it was worthless as an article but a valid topic. Since then, the article has been completely rewritten; I thought you might want to appraise the article as it currently stands. Captainktainer * Talk 07:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Indonesian Ethnic Chinese and the view of nationhood

I've put that The Indonesian Ethnic Chinese and the view of nationhood page up for deletion. The contents have been merged to Chinese Indonesian. Please add your vote here. Thanks. Julius.kusuma 14:46, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

September Esperanza Newsletter

Program Feature: Barnstar Brigade
Here in Wikipedia there are hundreds of wikipedians whose work and efforts go unappreciated. One occasionally comes across editors who have thousands of good edits, but because they may not get around as much as others, their contributions and hard work often go unnoticed. As Esperanzians we can help to make people feel appreciated, be it by some kind words or the awarding of a Barnstar. This is where the Barnstar Brigade comes in. The object of this program is to seek out the people which deserve a Barnstar, and help them feel appreciated. With your help, we can recognize more dedicated editors!
What's New?
September elections are upon us! Anyone wishing to be a part of the Advisory Council may list themselves as a candidate from 18 September until 24 September, with the voting taking place from 25 September to 30 September. Those who wish to help with the election staff should also list themselves!
Appreciation Week, a program currently in development, now has its own subpage! Share your good ideas on how to make it awesome there!
The Esperanza front page has been redesigned! Many thanks to all who worked hard on it.
Many thanks to MiszaBot, courtesy of Misza13, for delivering the newsletter.

The last AC meeting (full log)
The proposals page has been updated, with some proposals being archived. Since the program in development Appretiaion week is getting lots of good ideas, it now has its own subpage. The September 2006 Council elections will open for nominations on 18 September 2006. The voting will run from 25 September 2006 until 30 September 2006. If you wish to be a candidate or a member of the elections staff, please list yourself! The new Esperanza front page design has but put up - many thanks to all who worked on it! TangoTango has written a script for a bot that will list new members of Esperanza, which will help those who welcome new Esperanzains greatly!
Signed...
Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, Freakofnurture, and Titoxd 04:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. I created a baby stub for the article benzethonium chloride.

Free free to jump into the contributions with this benzethonium chloride stub. Good Luck. BenzethoniumChloride 06:50, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Error I think

I think your robot is falsely reinstating redirects such as the one for GE Electric. The GE page refers and links to a division of this name: a link to a redirect back to the refering page is clearly a problem. Either the page needs writing in which case write it or the page needs deleting and the red link fixing. In general reverting when people are trying to fix problems is bad form: please wrap it over the diodes. --BozMo talk 20:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for the reply. I'd happily delete the page but AFAIK since I've never become an admin I cannot. Why don't you? --BozMo talk 19:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

touché! --BozMo talk 18:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

MSJ High School

I guess I'm not the only Mission San Jose High School student with a Wikipedia account! I saw that 75.26.12.179's talk page was existent on my watchlist, and decided to take a look. However, I did not receive those messages, because my IP address changes every time I connect to the Internet. The next user of that IP will get the new messages instead (and have no idea of what you were talking about).--BANG! 03:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't there, so I'm an oddly-shaped differential equation.--BANG! 22:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Freaky blue Freshmen rule the school!... About the tournament... sorry, I decline your Academic Challenge offer.--BANG ! 22:08, 23 October 2006

AFDs and "vanity"

Regarding AFDs, just a friendly note to point out that the use of "vanity" is now discouraged. Instead please use "apparent Conflict of interest" per WP:COI. Cheers, Jpe|ob 03:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

76.3.155.85

I gave him a warning just above yours :) Glen 23:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Space trade

Space trade (AfD discussion)

You might like to revisit the discussion to consider an alternative course of action that has been suggested. Uncle G 14:55, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Erm...have no idea if this is the way to pass on a message, but I appreciate your bang-on-the-money moderation of my slightly (okay massively) daft addition to the wiki. Top marks.