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Birth year upmerge
[edit]If we were to upmerge all births in the 990s to Category:990s births, the category would have about 85 articles. Since a large number of the people in dpecific birth years are people whose birth was recorded in the Islamic calendar where we only have a year, and that year corresponds to 2 years in the Julian Calendar, it would probably make a lot of sense to upmerge everything.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think we should apply this principal to all birth years before AD 1000, only categorizing people by birth decade. The principals of dealing with different calendars, and having very small categories apply more and more as you go back. In the 930s there are 83 articles, 48 of them currently already in the 930s decade birth cat. We have no category there even to 10 articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not arguing against this, but ideally I would always upmerge years, births, deaths, establishments and disestablishments in tandem. We currently have the odd situation in some BC centuries that an establishment can be directly in a year category and in a decade establishment category, see e.g. Alexandria Eschate. I'd rather want to avoid that to happen for births and deaths too. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:02, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- That was my thought as well., we'd need to do this systematically. SMasonGarrison 00:16, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- What about the cases of people who like Jayasimha I who is in a birth category that is just plain wrong because someone confused parenthetical years of rule for parenthetical years of life, but he is the only person in that birth category?John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:26, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Idk. I'd love Marco's thoughts on that. SMasonGarrison 01:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- I purged Jayasimha I (Eastern Chalukya dynasty), it was clearly a mistake. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:06, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Idk. I'd love Marco's thoughts on that. SMasonGarrison 01:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- What about the cases of people who like Jayasimha I who is in a birth category that is just plain wrong because someone confused parenthetical years of rule for parenthetical years of life, but he is the only person in that birth category?John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:26, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- That was my thought as well., we'd need to do this systematically. SMasonGarrison 00:16, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not arguing against this, but ideally I would always upmerge years, births, deaths, establishments and disestablishments in tandem. We currently have the odd situation in some BC centuries that an establishment can be directly in a year category and in a decade establishment category, see e.g. Alexandria Eschate. I'd rather want to avoid that to happen for births and deaths too. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:02, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- On the matter of upmerging all establishments, disestablishments, births and deaths. For the 390s there are I think 20 births total. Even deaths only has 77. I think if we did all upmerged for the 390s that would work.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Jayasimha I (Eastern Chalukya dynasty)
[edit]Jayasimha I (Eastern Chalukya dynasty) is in a borth year category. This is however based on an incorrect reading of the material. The years given are the 32 years he was ruler. So 641 is not his birth year. So he should in fact be moved to the Year of birth unknown Category because we do not know in which year he was born. However his is the only entry in 641 births. So removing him would empty the category. Removing him to Year of birth unknown is what we should do.John Pack Lambert (talk) 11:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Theuderic I
[edit]Theuderic I article says he was born c. 487. He is however at present the only article in the 485 birth year Category. In this case we really would best move him to the 480s birth year Category and empty the 485 birth year category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:44, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like the 480s births Category, directly and in all sub-cats (of which only 8 exist) has 39 articles. We are missing 481 and 482. There is a Byzantine Emperor who at least his article says he was born in 482. It is not worth creating a Category to put only one birth in it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:53, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
470s births
[edit]470s births has only 25 articles total. I have not even started checking to make sure they all belong. I think pre-500 we could merge everything to the level of decade categories. I do not think we have enough of anything to justify more specific categories. By 1000 we have enough deaths to justify categories, but not pre-500.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- The category has Narses in the 478 category. The article says he was born in 478 or 480, and even these look to be approximate guesses. So really we should move that to 5th-century births, but since it is the only article in 478 births I can't do anything right now. Which means 470s births should not be more than 24 articles. I have more to review.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:00, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Attalus (general)
[edit]Attalus (general) was categorized about 780 years wrong. He was born about 390 BC but had been placed in the AD 390 births Category. On a related note several of the people in various 5th-century births categories have disputed historical reality, and I have seen at least 2 articles where there seems to be a few hundred years of dispute as to when the person lived. Attalus is the first BC case I have come across though.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:48, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Volusianus
[edit]Volusianus is in the 230 births Category. There is no mention anywhere in the article of when he was born. I would remove him but he is the whole category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:22, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
70s births
[edit]The 70s births structure has 16 articles, 2 redirects, and 8 categories. So at that point we are averaging 2 articles a category, but the mode is to only have 1.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:01, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
60s births
[edit]60s births has 17 articles, in 10 total categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
50s births
[edit]50s births has 11 articles in 6 categories. Even 50s deaths only has 43 articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:21, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Amanirenas
[edit]Amanirenas is the one article in 57 BC births. The article appears to no where mention her birth. It probably should be removed and the Category deleted for now.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:57, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
120s BC births
[edit]This category has 21 total articles. It only has 2 sub-cats, each with 1 article, and then the main Category has 19 articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:11, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Before 100 BC the birth year categories are very sporadic and very small. John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)