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[edit]You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Starlink. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
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- @Ergzay: lol, check the talk page Horse Eye's Back (talk) 00:45, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Ergzay: you can't post an edit warring warning... And then continue to edit war[1], how does that make any sense? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 00:49, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Horse Eye's Back: As part of your edit warring on Starlink, you are also engaged in WP:UNCIVIL behaviour, summarizing your edit with "You obviously misunderstand what you've removed, it does not say what you think it does", i.e. making a claim about what another editor is thinking. I think this is not a helpful approach. Lklundin (talk) 03:53, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Lklundin: the claim was accurate, the editor did misunderstand what they removed... It did not say what they thought it did. How is pointing that out unhelpful? IMO its AGF, do you want me to assume mallice instead of misunderstanding? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:37, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- There's another uncivil edit summary on Evo Morales here. Level 2 warning. Kire1975 (talk) 20:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- "I don't think that establishes what you think it does" is uncivil? And note that I was right, it did not establish what you thought it did. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Horse Eye's Back: As part of your edit warring on Starlink, you are also engaged in WP:UNCIVIL behaviour, summarizing your edit with "You obviously misunderstand what you've removed, it does not say what you think it does", i.e. making a claim about what another editor is thinking. I think this is not a helpful approach. Lklundin (talk) 03:53, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
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- You're welcome, thank you for starting the article. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:26, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Nomination of Clarissa Wei for deletion
[edit]The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clarissa Wei until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.🔥YesI'mOnFire🔥(ContainThisEmber?) 13:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- @YesI'mOnFire: you're almost certainly serving as the clean hand of a sockmaster, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Atlantaborn. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:11, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- I thought he was a fairly new editor who didn't know the AfD process. Thanks for telling me this! 🔥YesI'mOnFire🔥(ContainThisEmber?) 10:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oh yeah no worries, you AGF and there is nothing wrong about that, tt wasn't obvious until the other socks jumped in. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:15, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- I thought he was a fairly new editor who didn't know the AfD process. Thanks for telling me this! 🔥YesI'mOnFire🔥(ContainThisEmber?) 10:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
Nomination of Legal affairs of the Tate brothers for deletion
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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.VQuakr (talk) 21:10, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- @VQuakr: it is a wild transition from "No one is "attacking" you" [[2]] to minutes later nominating a page I just created and was working on for deletion[3] with no discussion at all... Especially as the edit just before you said "No one is "attacking" you" is you reverting me on a totally different page[4]. The level of personalization and aggression you are attaching to our interactions is making me uncomfortable. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:31, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- You seem confused about what constitutes an attack (hint: false accusations like this are a personal attack). Please review WP:NPA and WP:ASPERSIONS, and consider striking the implication immediately above. The link above is the deletion discussion. VQuakr (talk) 21:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- This is making me even more uncomfortable... What false accusations do you think I'm making? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- The false accusations of "aggression" you've made, for example at [5] and [6]. VQuakr (talk) 21:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- I perceive your actions as aggression, I find them disturbing and disruptive to my work. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- This is a collaborative environment; you do not have a right to work undisturbed and undisrupted. Maybe recalibrate your perception, because you do not have the right to make spurious accusations, either. VQuakr (talk) 22:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- I interact with dozens of editors collaboratively every day I edit, its been a long time since someone in good standing with the encyclopedia was as aggressive with me as you've been. Maybe two years or so... Given that I'm going to say that my perception is just fine. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:38, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- This is a collaborative environment; you do not have a right to work undisturbed and undisrupted. Maybe recalibrate your perception, because you do not have the right to make spurious accusations, either. VQuakr (talk) 22:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- I perceive your actions as aggression, I find them disturbing and disruptive to my work. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- The false accusations of "aggression" you've made, for example at [5] and [6]. VQuakr (talk) 21:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- This is making me even more uncomfortable... What false accusations do you think I'm making? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- You seem confused about what constitutes an attack (hint: false accusations like this are a personal attack). Please review WP:NPA and WP:ASPERSIONS, and consider striking the implication immediately above. The link above is the deletion discussion. VQuakr (talk) 21:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Your recent editing history at Electoral history of JD Vance shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
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Articles for creation is not a consensus to split the main page. There is absolutely no need for split, and you (or that user) need a consensus for it. It is not my job to get a consensus for a merge because this is not a proposed merger, it's a contested split, and the initial proposal for a new subpage is what must now seek consensus. Reywas92Talk 21:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- You made a bold edit... You were reverted. Maybe you are right that this is better covered elsewhere, but do it proper. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- No, I reverted someone else's bold edit! User:Lukasdragon1 split the main article here and performed a bold WP:SPLIT to a new, unnecessary page without consensus. How can you possibly suggest I started this, that I'm not doing it properly? I appropriately contested and restored the status quo per Wikipedia:Splitting#Step_1:_Create_a_discussion and WP:BRD. If Lukasdragon1 or you want the subarticle split off, you need to do it properly and stop reverting my appropriate initial objection. Reywas92Talk 21:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Reywas92... BRD is optional, with all due respect what are you talking about? Remember optional or not you didn't follow BRD. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 04:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- That is a pretty intense warning for the "first offense" even if HEB made an error, which is not clear in any event. It is usually best @Reywas92 to begin with a less threatening warning for the first warning and scale up from there as may be required. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Unlike other warnings, Template:uw-3rr only comes with a single level. This was warranted because HEB inappropriately reverted me multiple times to reinstate a bold edit I objected to. Reywas92Talk 18:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- In hindsight my reverts were entirely appropriate, you can't just tell lies like that... You chose to both edit war and warn me against edit warring, you chose not to follow BRD and then warned me about not following BRD. You were wrong, that you don't see that now is disturbing. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:30, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Lukasdragon1 did the Bold, I did the Revert. Then you decided to reimpose the contested split rather than Discuss. It's disturbing that you don't see that. Reywas92Talk 00:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- The D in BRD applies to the person who was reverted... "Discuss your bold edit with the person who reverted you." it wouldn't apply to me... This however "If your reversion was reverted, then do not re-revert to your version." would apply to you if you were trying to follow BRD (I don't follow BRD as a rule). You've also never actually contested the split, if thats you mean to do then go do it. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 13:41, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Lukasdragon1 did the Bold, I did the Revert. Then you decided to reimpose the contested split rather than Discuss. It's disturbing that you don't see that. Reywas92Talk 00:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- In hindsight my reverts were entirely appropriate, you can't just tell lies like that... You chose to both edit war and warn me against edit warring, you chose not to follow BRD and then warned me about not following BRD. You were wrong, that you don't see that now is disturbing. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:30, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Unlike other warnings, Template:uw-3rr only comes with a single level. This was warranted because HEB inappropriately reverted me multiple times to reinstate a bold edit I objected to. Reywas92Talk 18:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- That is a pretty intense warning for the "first offense" even if HEB made an error, which is not clear in any event. It is usually best @Reywas92 to begin with a less threatening warning for the first warning and scale up from there as may be required. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Reywas92... BRD is optional, with all due respect what are you talking about? Remember optional or not you didn't follow BRD. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 04:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- No, I reverted someone else's bold edit! User:Lukasdragon1 split the main article here and performed a bold WP:SPLIT to a new, unnecessary page without consensus. How can you possibly suggest I started this, that I'm not doing it properly? I appropriately contested and restored the status quo per Wikipedia:Splitting#Step_1:_Create_a_discussion and WP:BRD. If Lukasdragon1 or you want the subarticle split off, you need to do it properly and stop reverting my appropriate initial objection. Reywas92Talk 21:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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Royal Cordite Factory content tagged as 'Citation Needed'
[edit]In Oct 2017 I inserted content into the Secrecy of the installation sub-section of the Royal Naval Cordite Factory, Holton Heath topic, that added a link to the National Library of Scotland's Ordnance Survey map library.
With your 18:52 14 Jan 2021 edit of this topic, you tagged my content as 'Citation Needed'.
The guidance for the "cn" tag begins "To ensure that all Wikipedia content is verifiable, Wikipedia provides a means for anyone to question an uncited claim. If your work has been tagged, please provide a reliable source for the statement, and discuss if needed."
My content is a hyperlink to the website of the National Library of Scotland, one of the six legal deposit copyright libraries in the UK and Eire, and to a page there, which shows a side-by-side comparison of two editions of maps of the factory location published by the Ordnance Survey, which is the UK's official national mapping agency.
As a reliable reference to trustworthy sources, I am not sure how my hyperlink could be improved or a more appropriate citation given.
Could you please clarify why you have tagged it as needing a citation and what you would like me to do?
My thanks,
'MrEckLeckTick' MrEckLeckTick (talk) 15:37, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- @MrEckLeckTick: The text reads "The site was to the north-northeast of Holton Heath station, which was opened during the First World War to allow staff to reach the works. However, the site's location was omitted from WW2 Ordnance Survey maps as can be seen on this side-by-side comparison of the 1940s New Popular Edition 1 inch map with the same area from the 7th Series from a decade or so later." which isn't using it as a source its using it as source material for orignal research and then reporting the findings of that original research... Leaving the statement unsourced as no appropriate citation has been given. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies - I don't follow your logic.
- Can you please expand/amplify using clear English? MrEckLeckTick (talk) 19:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- You can't go beyond what the source actually says. You can't combine one map which says one thing with one which doesn't and then make a claim found in neither source based on that. The source actually needs to make the claim, otherwise it is original research which is fine a lot of places just not in a wikipedia article. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 19:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard § RfC: Times of Israel. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 20:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Chess: thank you but I think I will sit this one out. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:57, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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