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Requested move

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. The Taerkasten (talk) 13:57, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios → SCE Worldwide Studios — Per WP:COMMONNAME, and other titles, e.g. SCE Japan Studio, SCE London Studio. The Taerkasten (talk) 12:50, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Acquisition date

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@Lordtobi: responding to your edit comment here, but do you think it would be more relevant to simply have the acquisition date listed instead of the formation date? Listing both would seem kind of bloated, but I could be wrong. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:19, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Foundation dates are usually listed in case a studio was established under the ownership of a given company, which would lack an acquisition date. I'm currently abroad so I lack the time to get into looking into it, unfortunately. Lordtobi (✉) 06:06, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe write that into prose and keep the acquisition date in a column then? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:33, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Could as well put both dates in the prose only. It depends on what we want to display as significant information, which is commonly these two. As all studios (but Manchester Studio) have their own article, I'd be in favour of just scrapping the (unsourced) Notes column and only displaying these two instead. Lordtobi (✉) 19:10, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fine with me. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Dissident93, done. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any applicable source for San Mateo Studio (Foster City Studio)'s establishment date, but it is listed on the website. Doing this made me wonder, what's the purpose of the current 'History' section? It contains in essence no more than what the table already lists. Lordtobi (✉) 21:25, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, and thus I removed it. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:51, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think we are now at a point where we could just merge the entire thing to Sony Interactive Entertainment as WWS in itself is not notable, don't you think? Lordtobi (✉) 08:01, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Now that you mention it, yeah. The cleaned up tables are the only thing really left and could go on the main SIE page no problem. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 17:13, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Parent parameter on Sony subsidiaries

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@IceWelder, Poklane, and Ridwan97: Can we determine a consensus across the Sony studios as to what to fill in the parent parameter in as. Currently there is some back and forward between the articles with there still being inconsistency among them as whether the parent should be listed as Sony Interactive Entertainment or SIE Worldwide Studios. I am indifferent on the subject but it would be great to have coherent consensus as to which one to use across all 14 articles (+ the former studios). Regards  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 20:29, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I personally believe the parent should be listed as Sony Interactive Entertainment. It's the company which runs it all, Worldwide Studios is simply the name given to the collection of studios owned by SIE.Poklane 22:11, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
WWS is not just a "collection", it is a specialized division with its own management and resources. All Sony studios directly respond to that management, not SIE's, making WWS the organizational parent. SIE is only the legal parent because WWS does not a legal representation. IceWelder [✉] 07:23, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It will probably be easier if i just started an RfC. Regards  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 11:29, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Worldwide Studios still exists, PlayStation Studios is different

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I point to this article [1]: "PlayStation Studios" is a branding, whereas Worldwide Studios remains the subsidary. "He concludes: "We've never had any problem getting people to play these games. They're usually critically acclaimed, award-winning franchises that are games of the year, but for the average consumer it's not always clear what games come directly from our Worldwide Studios. And to your point, they've come to understand in many cases that these are really robust, innovative, single-player experiences. Of course, there is a variety of other games that don't fit into that mould, but nonetheless we wanted to make sure people know that these are the games coming from our Worldwide Studios." --Masem (t) 04:25, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

An IP claimed Polygon said this moved to PS Studios. Here is the only Polygon article I see discussing PlayStation Studios. [2] and in it, it clear there is the distinction of the branding of PS Studios for games, and the organization of SIE Worldwide Studios which will publish games to include the PS Studios branding. Please provide a source that says Worldwide Studios is now PS Studios because there is not one that I can find yet. --Masem (t) 20:30, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And just to noted to @IceWelder:, I believe the branding is being managed by SIE directly, since it will be used for third-parties work for hire in addition to Worldwide Studios (another reason why this is not WW studios renamed to PS Studios). --Masem (t) 20:32, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistency with SIE/SIE WWS on individual pages

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This is a gripe of mine and has always irritated me when viewing these pages and I think we should work to make them better, especially considering how popular these developers (and their relevant IPs) are.

All of the listed studios' individual pages on Wikipedia inconsistently reference either Sony Interactive Entertainment, or SIE Worldwide Studios as the parent company. Some pages outright fail completely to mention the fact that they are part of the 14 studios that make up Worldwide Studios.

Sony Corp. (Conglomerate) > Sony Interactive Entertainment (Subsidiary) > SIE Worldwide Studios (Division) > All 14 listed development studios

For sake of consistency and easy understanding, all 14 studios' pages should follow the same structure. Lets take the information on Insomniac Games' page as an example. It has all of the proper information mentioned - It is owned (or has been acquired) by its parent company Sony Interactive Entertainment, and is also part of the 14 studios that make up SIE Worldwide Studios. The infobox however refers to SIE Worldwide Studios as the parent company, I believe this is incorrect. A company doesn't have a division/sector of a subsidiary as the parent. Also, I don't know the exact order of which studios were acquired/formed, but this would also be great additional information to include as well (Insomniac was most recently made the 14th studio, this is correctly mentioned on its page). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noah-x3 (talk • contribs) 07:55, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"PlayStation Talents" listed at Redirects for discussion

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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect PlayStation Talents. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 31#PlayStation Talents until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. IceWelder [✉] 01:56, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"SCEE R&D" listed at Redirects for discussion

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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect SCEE R&D. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 31#SCEE R&D until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. IceWelder [✉] 01:56, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"China Hero Project" listed at Redirects for discussion

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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect China Hero Project. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 31#China Hero Project until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. IceWelder [✉] 01:56, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Hermen Hulst" listed at Redirects for discussion

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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Hermen Hulst. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 31#Hermen Hulst until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. IceWelder [✉] 01:58, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Sky Blue (PlayStation 3)" listed at Redirects for discussion

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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Sky Blue (PlayStation 3). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 31#Sky Blue (PlayStation 3) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. IceWelder [✉] 01:58, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article title

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@Masem: The name "Worldwide Studios" has seemingly been phased out from all communication. It was even replaced with "PlayStation Studios" in the press releases after this one (March 21, 2021), starting with this one (June 29, 2021). It would appear that PlayStation Studios is not only the brand for original releases but also the new name of the division. The news article we use could be interpreted this way or does not strictly speak against this. Should we move the article to "PlayStation Studios"? Or better yet, should we merge the article to SIE to avoid any article naming issues? IceWelder [✉] 15:29, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Past sources when they introduced "PlayStation Studios" was that it was always a brand, and not a division. It might be worthwhile to see exactly how Sony puts in corporate documents to see if that really is the name or not. --Masem (t) 15:50, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually if we go back to looking at Nixxes' acquisition PR [3] the group within SIE appears to be called, fully "PlayStation Studios Technology, Creative & Services Group". Its just that there's no clear documentation when Sony really transitioned the name. --Masem (t) 16:05, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's the thing. I cannot find anything that explicitly goes "SIE Worldwide Studios is now PlayStation Studios", but WWS has not been mentioned in any capacity since last September on Sony's website; since March on SIE's as noted. PlayStation Studios continues to be mentioned frequently and is consistently referred to as the game development managing entity, including in the latest PR. I interpreted the name in Nixxes' PR as "the Technology, Creative & Services Group of PlayStation Studios"; the name as mentioned there appears nowhere else, including in the latest two acquisitions. I feel like we could save us a lot of headaches with a merger to SIE, getting rid of all the name-dependent overhead. IceWelder [✉] 16:10, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah plus I see from this IGN interview that Hulst, who back some years was head of SIE Worldwide, is now ID'd as head of PlayStation Studios. [4]. Barring anything else, I think it is appropriate to change it, just that it really would be nice to fill in the gap when they decided to go full bore on that name. --Masem (t) 16:17, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Was there any actual annoucement of PS Studios replacing the name of WWS? I thought it was just a brand that coexisted under WWS.  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 19:08, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There's no announcement, but as IceWelder points out, Sony has not used "Worldwide Studios" in any form since 2020, and the head of the studio calls himself the head of PlayStation Studios. It would be nice to know when exactly Sony renamed this, but its clear what the common name and proper name is now. --Masem (t) 19:13, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, Hermen Hulst changed his Twitter bio from "PlayStation Worldwide Studios" to simply "PlayStation Studios" between December 7 and December 8, 2020. Not that it really confirms anything. – Rhain ☔ 00:00, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Don't know if this was already done but I took a look at this October 2019 version of the article and clicked on the old link of SIE WWS: it automatically directs to PlayStation Studios as of today. This is how it appeared in June 2020. While we always have to scrutiny and be skeptical about this kind of changes, I think it's pretty evident that, implicitly, PlayStation Studios it's the new thing which substituted SIE WWS. And as such, the name change and other changes to the article look appropriate. Lone Internaut (talk) 07:00, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Add PlayStation Malysia?

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I saw it is missing. It was founded quite a while ago and they have already contributed to some projects. Now they even let it slip that they have ambitions that will lead them to release their own game. 5.169.227.121 (talk) 01:03, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source that can be used [5] --Masem (t) 01:44, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It was previously removed because "it is part of Playstation Studio Visual Arts", and this deletion was never contested. The studio is not listed on PlayStation Studios' site, though. IceWelder [✉] 06:33, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

San Mateo Studio is not a thing anymore

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It's clear that it was replaced by/renamed to XDEV America, with SIE also removing their mentions of it from everywhere after restructuring XDEV in a global scale. Yuyuluzu (talk) 18:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

London Studio

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I think London Studio should be removed from active developers by now, considering Sony announced their closure a while ago. 2A00:23C6:D584:5B01:B548:C146:9E42:E1A1 (talk) 01:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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