Talk:Peter Oborne

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Peter Oborne article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography

Journalism High‑importance

	Journalism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Journalism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of journalism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.JournalismWikipedia:WikiProject JournalismTemplate:WikiProject JournalismJournalism
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Politics of the United Kingdom Mid‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Politics of the United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Politics of the United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject Politics of the United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject Politics of the United KingdomPolitics of the United Kingdom

Mid

This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

More information:
/
	An editor has requested that an image or photograph be added to this article.

Conservatism Mid‑importance

	Conservatism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Conservatism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of conservatism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ConservatismWikipedia:WikiProject ConservatismTemplate:WikiProject ConservatismConservatism
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

It is requested that an image or photograph of Peter Oborne be included in this article to improve its quality. Please replace this template with a more specific media request template where possible.
The Free Image Search Tool or Openverse Creative Commons Search may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites.

Upload

Re-rating to 'Start Class'

Building on the original text, I've think I've completed the upgrade that justifies the removal of the 'little/no ref. banner.'

Therefore, I now propose a re-rating to 'Start class' at this stage, because there is clearly much more to be done.

I propose to add a section on Oborne's coupling of Postmodernist philosophy and how that has informed the political agenda of the late 20th/early 21st century, particularly as put into use by New Labour in the United Kingdom.

The core of the original article still stands - I like to make incremental changes, not radical surgery - but I made a place holder on 'Career.' For example, it makes no reference to him 'fiddling around' with a Ph.D.

My view is that the Career section can be built-on, with 'highlights' at each stage of his career ... the Muslim controversy, for example (the BNP 'thundered' about this) with completed other sections on all his TV and newspaper contributions (I think I've got all his books now ... most I've read, but need to read the 'cricket affair.')

There are many minor details to be researched, such as his college at Cambridge, which is easy but time consuming, involving, as it appears to me, a call to Cambridge ... since I can't find an easy Web ref. ... etc. etc.

I welcome reasoned discussion and good faith collaboration to do the article justice ...

Please help ...

Lomcevak (talk) 14:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Oborne is surely a British journalist, just as he is a British national.

Dear Sir/Madam,

I cannot help thinking that the of the word 'English' in this article portrays Mr Oborne in a bad light. He is a British national, so could we please describe him as a British journalist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.24.227 (talk) 12:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

English/British: Whatever

I don't think anybody has a problem/issue with this ... does anybody really care ? I suspect that Oborne may if the reference to his membership of the Church of England is conveying an accurate impression.

On the other hand, I think that many people will have a problem, including me, with attempts to remove the Zimbabwe item on grounds of 'impeding his work in Africa.' The fact that his criticisms are so well known and are specifically referenced in things like British Parliamentary records means that we'd have to be living in Orwell's world of 1984 with its Ministry of Truth complete with memory holes to wind things back. Nobody will take any suggestion seriously that this Wiki entry is having any effect whatsoever on his travel/working arrangements in Africa or elsewhere.

BTW, that includes Oborne, since the last time I checked in with him (trying to wheedle a non-copyright image of him for this article) he was perfectly happy with what has been written - and that includes the referenced criticism of him.

Further attempts to delete the Zimbabwe section will be referred to administrators to deal with (and I see one has been here already).

All the best. 89.194.15.169 (talk) 17:02, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Referred to administrator

This issue has now been referred to administrator User:Asav at User_talk:Asav#Peter_Oborne. A note has been left at anonymous IP 81.156.211.107, the source of the last deletion of the Zimbabwe content. 94.72.252.104 (talk) 11:50, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For the record: I am not an administrator, just an editor who volunteers on the OTRS team. I got alerted to the burgeoning edit war on this page, but my amendments are made as an ordinary editor. As to the disputed points:

British/English: British is a citizenship, English isn't. End of story.
The Zimabwe reverts: Peter Oborne has published a report that is critical to the current leadership. It's free for anyone to peruse, and he's a professional journalist who's well aware of the consequences such a publication may have on his prospects to visit the region. Furthermore, the information is

highly relevant to his work, and
completely verifiable and well-sourced.

There is absolutely no reason to delete it. Asav (talk) 13:18, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Very silly scuffle. In all my time on Wikipedia I have never seen a less worthy argument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slint Spiderland (talk • contribs) 02:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

MSM Trivia

'Different connotations' of the brev 'MSM' should be explained, such that we, the general Wiki presence and editors are illuminated.

I've asked for explanation from one The Giant Puffin but none has been forthcoming ... therefore I have reverted this trivial 'contribution.'

Picture forthcoming BTW ... Peter is just bashfull (see that bridge over there, what'll you offer me for it ?) ... he's a Christ's man after all %-). BTW who paints our gate to Christ's at Cambs ... ? (I jumped ship ... I'm a 'fw(r)d' man these days. Dreaming spires 'n all that.

FYI all ... I will be monitoring and trying to extend this entry ... purported contributions should read all the above notes.

Fare y'all well (yes, insult to injury 'ahh aaammm a Suutthheerrnnn American,' I've read ALL of our Shakespeare ... which he admittedly, frankly, plaigerised from many other sources ... but ya've got to love the richness of Elizebethan (First go around modern) English ...

'... out damned spot ...' He !

I just need to use the phrase 'thou varlet, ... let all the contempt of Thersites fall upon thy head' (that's fresh Shakespeare BTW ... I made it up ... just like he did) now, in my general conversation, 'n my life is complete.

S'funny tho' ... not quite sure I'll work (Shakespeare) places I know ... sawdust/straw still on the floor etc. etc.

Enjoy fellow Wikis ...

ILakatos (talk) 10:13, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This issue (the 'MSM trivia') has now been reconciled and closed through the action of Mr. Credible.

ILakatos (talk) 13:55, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Po-Mo

Can the section entitled Postmodernism be translated into English? 217.44.249.118 (talk) 15:58, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No. As you can see from the string of unexplained reverts by numerous different editors, people love that section in all its nonsensical glory. 186.41.53.39 (talk) 00:20, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]