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I've begun adding historic Masonic buildings that have been listed by Historic New Zealand as category 1 or category 2 listed buildings. I am partway through adding them. Have been searching at this search screen.

To another editor: please do not interrupt this editing-in-progress, as you did while the Australia section was being developed in order to make assertions about which buildings have meetings going on currently or not. It is indisputable that every building added is a historic Masonic building; it is not important and not necessarily knowable whether a minor fact of current meeting or not is going on. The editors previously (at least one other and me) and now (me) are developing as best we see fit. If the ordering is to be disputed, then an RFC or other means to get a wider consensus is needed. Do you wish to proceed with some larger process now? And, in the mean time, will you please allow constructive editing to proceed without interruption.

I pause before making further additions because I am already depressed about the edit conflicts and dispute that is likely to begin, again when anyone begins to add constructively to the list-article. --doncram 10:08, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If you do some basic research, and place the buildings in the appropriate section (current vs former usage) then there should be no reason for conflict. Blueboar (talk) 11:46, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Doncram, go ahead and add your entries for New Zealand. While it would be great if you researched the current usage of the buildings, and placed the entries in the appropriate article (buildings that are currently used by the Masons here, and those that have been re-purposed for other uses in the new List of former Masonic buildings article), I do accept that this may be more than you are willing or able to do. I will follow up in a week or so, and move any that I can determine belong in the new article when you have completed your work. Blueboar (talk) 13:47, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting out the "Former Masonic buildings" section into a separate article

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I have now created a separate article for the buildings formerly used by the Masons, but now re-purposed for other uses (see: List of former Masonic buildings). We did this with List of Masonic buildings in the United States and List of former Masonic buildings in the United States a long time ago... but were waiting to split this article until the "former" section grew to a size where it made sense to hive it off into its own article. I think we have finally reached that point.

One benefit is that we will no longer have the extra complication of "current use" vs "former use" ordering to contend with. In both this article and the new one, we can list buildings in a simple geographic and alphabetical order. Blueboar (talk) 12:58, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That approach was nixed by consensus in RFC at Talk:List of Masonic buildings in the United States, and I have re-merged away the "former" list. Places are to be listed by country, state or province, city or town, as is done for all other lists of clubhouses and all other lists of historic places in Wikipedia. It was noted in the RFC that there are often no reliable sources about "current" status of the historic buildings; it is hard to tell if Masons are hiding inside meeting or not. Mention of "as of 2018" vs. "former" status might possibly be included in the individual articles of places, if supported by reliable sources there, but usually should not be mentioned in this overview list at all. It is really a non-important factoid usually, and often the status is not knowable. This world-wide list is not to be merely a directory; what should be emphasized is the Masonic-ness and history and architecture. --Doncram (talk) 00:08, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Continuing development Australia etc

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User:Kerry Raymond, I hope you might return now and help develop coverage in Australia, perhaps including a tabulation with photos, etc. I have tried to restore coverage to where it nearly was in 2015 and 2016, though the development was then repeatedly interrupted by edit warring which deleted items entirely and which changed focus from the notability/history of buildings to some other focus. The RFC at Talk:List of Masonic buildings in the United States was clear. Now it will be more stable. I'd be interested in getting back to developing the Australia coverage. --Doncram (talk) 00:29, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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