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Section sizes

Section size for History of socialism (59 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	3,862	3,862
Origins of socialism	28	21,043
In antiquity	5,432	5,432
In the Persian and Islamic worlds	3,187	3,187
In Enlightenment thought (c. 1600s–1800)	3,794	3,794
French Revolution (1789-1800)	8,602	8,602
Early modern socialism (1800-1830s)	3,814	22,187
Henri de Saint-Simon	10,153	10,153
Charles Fourier	1,486	1,486
Robert Owen	6,734	6,734
Development of modern socialism (1830s–1850s)	5,214	10,127
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon	2,420	2,420
Mikhail Bakunin	842	842
Alexander Herzen	1,651	1,651
Etymology and terminology (c. 19th century–20th century)	10,233	10,233
Marxism and the socialist movement (1850s–1910s)	5,385	48,082
Anarchism	4,873	4,873
First International	5,922	5,922
Paris Commune	4,496	4,496
Second International	2,970	19,559
Germany	1,444	1,444
Russia	3,063	3,063
United States	11,098	11,098
France	984	984
Social democracy and split with the communists	5,184	7,847
World War I	2,663	2,663
Inter-war era (1917–1939)	1,178	38,389
Revolutionary socialism and the Soviet Union	21,190	21,190
Britain	9,421	9,421
United States	2,860	2,860
Germany	2,276	2,276
Sweden	493	493
Spain	548	548
Israel	423	423
WWII and the Post-war and Cold War era (1945–1989)	7,686	52,690
First socialist government in a North American country	2,012	2,012
Social democracy in government	10,458	10,458
Africa	1,169	1,169
Mass discontent and radicalisation	17,490	17,490
Soviet Union and Eastern Europe	6,307	6,307
China	7,568	7,568
Late 20th century and early 21st century (1980s–2000s)	64	10,510
Final years for the Soviet Union	2,091	2,091
Socialism in China since the Cultural Revolution	3,664	3,664
21st-century socialism in Latin America	4,691	4,691
Early 21st century (2000s–2010s)	41	49,311
Emergence of a New Left in the developed world	5,732	5,732
Africa	521	521
Asia	7,076	7,076
Europe	15,493	15,493
North America	7,189	7,189
Latin America and the Caribbean	8,283	8,283
Oceania	4,976	4,976
See also	1,007	1,007
References	44	898
Bibliography	854	854
Further reading	2,307	2,587
Primary sources	280	280
External links	378	378
Total	271,304	271,304

Terminology?!

Terminology problems??

According to Marxist-Leninist terminology (which I don't accept as valid B.T.W.) socialism refers to a state of society, and communism as the next state. The chapter Socialism and Communism (1917-39) is about the Social Democrat versus the Communist movements.

According to Marxist anachronistic terminology (as opposed to the Marxist-Leninist one), social democrats and communists are two mutually cooperating kinds of socialists.

I think the title Socialism and Communism (1917-39)' should be some such as Social Democrats versus Communists (1917-39).

[said rursus: [email protected]]

Proposal for article to be trimmed and split current sections each to become an article

Basically what the subject says. After looking over the article, looking at the top boxes as well, I think that it should be trimmed overall, and that each history section be made into an article that can link back to this main article. One way of doing that for example may be "origins to pre-1789", "French revolution to 1850s and the development", "Marxism and the movement 1850s to 1910s", "Interwar era", 'WW2 and Cold War", and "1991 to present". MarvelAge91 (talk) 23:29, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]