Talk:Chappell Roan

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 00:55, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that Chappell Roan was in 11th grade when she was signed to Atlantic Records? Source: Interview magazine
  • ALT1: ... that Chappell Roan was 17 years old when she was signed to Atlantic Records? Source: Vulture
  • ALT2: ... that despite having been released in summer 2020, Chappell Roan's song "Pink Pony Club" was described as "the Song of Summer 2021" by Vulture? Source: Vulture
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/When Harry Met Santa
  • Comment: Trying to hunt down an image, though it's probably unlikely. ALTs are welcome – I would love to work in "synthy infectious bangarang" somehow

Created by Ezlev (talk). Self-nominated at 20:02, 26 December 2021 (UTC).

• Review is coming: I never heard of her but I am going to review it because I listened to that Pink Pony club song just now. Also ping me when you get a QPQ done. Bruxton (talk) 01:08, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Waiting on a QPQ. Article has 3600+ characters and it was just over 572 characters until the 26th of December - so it is 5x expanded. Earwigs calls out some direct quotes, but they are not copyright violations, they are properly referenced.The references support the claims. In the claim about being discovered in "11th grade" the actual reference says she was a "junior" in HS when discovered - and it is the same thing, but I think it may make a better hook to say junior? But I am not married to the idea. There are 7 separate claims which are referenced to the "Vulture" reference, so perhaps we should check for references that present more diversity of references. The neutrality is a question. It is flowery and gushing, - like this kid is a rising star and she is going places! I saw a sentences about her "imminent popularity" (I removed it). I saw an ambiguous statement about her song appearing in summer 2020, the reference actually said April 2020, so I changed it to read April 2020. There is no picture but we do not need one. I think it is a more interesting hook to mention she was discovered from a youtube video. I will present an ATL here but I can live with ATL0 also.

ATL1 ...that singer Chappell Roan was a junior in high school when she was discovered on YouTube? Bruxton (talk) 02:26, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

• • QPQ added, Bruxton! Thanks for the review. It's a good song, isn't it? ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 05:54, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Ready for DYK. Yes the song is wistful and somber, and then somewhat hopeful. Her voice is very pleasing. Bruxton (talk) 14:53, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Modified ALT1 to T:DYK/P4

I believe there needs to be additional research regarding their birthday/ personal information regarding this individual without tiktok as a referenced source of information disinformation can cause problems to the artist and possibly others without steargarded information in place that is accurate //you might be placing this person in some hot water for something that is not accurate. 72.68.117.233 (talk) 17:13, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Chapppell's Drag Queen Style

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia editing however after reading through this page I think it's important to note Chappell's style of performing and where that stems from which is Drag Race. Rachelscriver (talk) 21:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Rachelscriver, to the extent that you can find sources that have discussed Chappell's performing style and have directly linked it to drag, we can definitely include that. Alyo (chat·edits) 00:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Queer vs. lesbian

Hey all, have been seeing some commentary on Reddit and other sites about edits citing Chappell self-identifying as a lesbian frequently being reversed. Is this due to inadequate citations or something else? I think if she's using a more accurate label it makes more sense to use that. TariffedSparrow (talk) 01:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I also saw that post. I think the best source for "lesbian" would be this TIME interview, at around the 2:40 mark. https://time.com/6836626/chappell-roan-interview-guts-tour-olivia-rodrigo/ Mateussf (talk) 03:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

That does seem to be the best source. I added it to her Personal life section, with careful wording. Wikipedia tends to be very cautious when it comes to personal identity--short of the person saying "I am X" explicitly, they often seem to avoid simply saying "This person is X." Unfortunatley, so far I wasn't able to find a source where she clearly, directly, calls herself a lesbian. BlueRoseGardener (talk) 05:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

I am aware that this likely isn't the best source, but right now it is all that's available so I would like to submit it for consideration until we have something better. This is a video from her recent concert in which she explicitly states "I'm a lesbian now". https://x.com/lesbianvillanel/status/1799299769292271886

Again, I am aware we will probably need to wait until there is a better source than a video on Twitter, but those were the words from her mouth directly calling herself a lesbian. Redandsymmetry (talk) 16:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2024

Add the following:

She said in an interview that she has been criticized for doing drag as a woman: «I never understood the pushback on why girls can’t do drag. I do drag – it makes me feel good and free, it’s the same feeling that the gay boys feel. To me, it feels like they just don’t like women doing things. It’s just another man trying to tell a woman what to do. I’m a drag queen, whether you like girls doing it or not.»

Source: VanjaOkay20 (talk) 15:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Dear Vanja Kadic of Medienart Annabelle AG: Please refrain from advertising your employer. You were reported for vandalism at de-wiki --Pentachlorphenol (talk) 08:49, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Clear disagreement on the edit. Closing for discussion. Geardona (talk to me?) 01:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Chapell Roan “Identifies as Lesbian”

While Chapell Roan certainly dates women, this article claims that she identifies as lesbian…the cited sources do not seem to prove this. The first source is a random twitter user (doesn’t seem completely reliable) and the second is a billboard article which talks about lesbianism, but includes no quotes from Chapell Roan herself stating that she is lesbian. There does not appear to be credible evidence that she is lesbian. I think there is strong evidence to say she “identifies as queer,” and that might be the proper phrase to use. 2601:1C2:1900:8170:6D34:EEBA:8B6B:6375 (talk) 02:51, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Although it's not the best source, MOS:IDENTITY says to "use the term that the person or group uses", and that's what the twitter/x video shows. She has repeatedly made statements identifying as a lesbian, and in this case I think consensus has fallen on not trying to wiki-lawyer her identity. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:31, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2024

I would like to edit or add a contribution to this page. Considering that this page is still fairly new, and updates will be needed, I thought it is important to add information about Chappell Roan's charity work that has been done alongside of her music career.

Roan has helped countless communities and organizations, by donating her proceeds to charities, such as women's rights and LGBTQ+ rights. Examples for these charities and their donations can be found on her website: https://www.iamchappellroan.com/charity/ . On this site is provided with three major women's suffrage and LGBTQ+ rights charities.

Aside from that, Roan has also donated generous amounts of her proceeds to Gaza relief organizations, here; https://www.goodgoodgood.co/articles/chappell-roan-friendship-bracelets-for-gaza and here as well. This article elaborates a bit more on her other charity donations. https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2023/09/chappell-roan-on-making-pop-music-and-giving-back UncleMooseMan42.o (talk) 19:03, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Just want to say that the first two sources here are a little too close to the artist to be acceptable for something like this, I think. The Vanity Fair piece is better, but that's still an interview with the artist, not arms-length coverage. We need better sources to add that sort of content. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2024

Roan's success has led her to be called a "queer pop icon", "a superstar in the making", and a "visionary performer".[95][96][97] Roan has been credited with leading a "lesbian pop renaissance" on the music charts and within the cultural zeitgeist.[98][99] Roan's music brought the concept of compulsory heterosexuality into the forefront of mainstream pop music.[100] She has been praised for her "unapologetic authenticity" and "expression of her queerness and femininity" in her music and live performances, inspiring young women to embrace their own sexuality.[101][102] She has also been applauded for her image "rejecting the male gaze" within the pop landscape.[103] Roan has been praised for her "punkish" attitude towards the status quo for queer performers and applauded for "rewriting the rules of lovelorn pop."[104] Rolling Stone described watching Roan's performances as "like watching Michelangelo craft the statue of David in real time."[97]

Roan has received praise from within the music industry. Elton John invited Roan to join his Rocket Hour podcast and stated about her success, "It's wonderful to see true talent being recognized."[105] Roan was Olivia Rodrigo's top artist on her Spotify Wrapped for 2023,[106] and Roan features background vocals on three tracks of Rodrigo's, including her album Guts and The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes soundtrack.[107] Lady Gaga commented "I love Chappell" under a TikTok video of Roan covering her song "Bad Romance" while on tour.[108] Ariana Grande stated "I really love Chappell Roan" in an Instagram post sharing a viral Wicked meme of Roan's Statue of Liberty costume at the Governors Ball Music Festival.[109] In June 2024, Sabrina Carpenter covered "Good Luck, Babe!" on Radio 1's Live Lounge, having expressed her admiration for Roan's work.[110]

(This is what I would like to add)

"Additionally, Roan has shown an active interest in supporting the rights of women and LGBTQ+ individuals , and her generosity is a large part of her image . She often donates to charities such as The Trevor Project and urges her fans to support these causes. Roan actively donates profits from her ticket sales to LGBTQ+ charities as well." Additionally, Roan has also done fundraisers for Gaza Aid and Relief as well."

UncleMooseMan42.o (talk) 03:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

@UncleMooseMan42.o, per what I said above, that feels very promotional while being based mostly on non-[independent, reliable] sourcing. I'll leave this open in case anyone else disagrees, but I wouldn't add this based on the sourcing. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

References

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Left guide (talk) 02:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2024 (2)

Under "Career" in the middle section (2022-23) it says "Casual" was released in October 2022, and in the following paragraph, it is mentioned again as being released in March of 2023. Ellenofficial (talk) 19:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

 Fixed: The source cited for the first segment was published in October 2022 but didn't actually say the single was released then, only that it would be in the future at that point in time. There was a bit of WP:OR or source misinterpretation going on there. The March 2023 release month was supported by its source when I checked. Left guide (talk) 03:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

it was released on October 28th, 2022. the music VIDEO was released in march 2023. whatever source that was was wrong. Melonkunn (talk) 07:57, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Discography

I propose forking the Discography section out to Chappell Roan discography ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:56, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

She doesn't have a particularly large discography? If anything, this section could be trimmed--the three notes are not necessary and the music video section adds little as well. How does it help our readers to move this content--of which only the chart positions of singles and the album are unique/noteworthy--out to another page? Alyo (chat·edits) 18:06, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

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Discography deletion

Hi answering, your question, i separate her discography, because it's relevant and long enough to have it own wiki page. Second and most importantly, i dragged the content, because unfortunately the language used isn't neutral and unbiased, as well it doesn't follow the basic patterns that every musician's wiki page does, (tour below awards and nominations??? since when?) third, this is a Wikipedia page not a Fan Page! Paradisetoshutdown (talk) 20:11, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I disagree, and Wikipedia requires you to gain consensus on the split before you perform it. I cannot think of a single separate discography page for an artist who has only released one album, outside of producers who have released dozens and dozens of singles. Alyo (chat·edits) 21:30, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

i'll help you... Lauryn Hill, Ice Spice, Hailee Steinfeld, Cardi B, Liam Payne, Noah Cyrus, Azealia Banks Paradisetoshutdown (talk) 23:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, every single one of those has more than one linked album/EP/mix tape? Chappell doesn't? That's my point? Alyo (chat·edits) 14:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Birthplace

There is no hospital in Willard, Mo. Chappell Roan was born in Springfield, Mo. 184.4.76.11 (talk) 01:07, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Inspired by Ariana Grande

Chappell has stated that she was one of Ariana Grande's biggest fans. Please add to Inspiration. Source: https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/chappell-roan-praises-ariana-grande-wicked-1235763528/ 80.147.28.29 (talk) 17:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

saying she likes her album =/= calling her a inspiration in her own music/image. Alyo (chat·edits) 19:19, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh please. She literally said she's an Arianator. It doesn't go higher than that. 80.147.28.29 (talk) 03:34, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@80.147.28.29 okay 195.252.226.154 (talk) 04:24, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2024

In "2015–2021: Career beginnings": Change "Roan began working with songwriter and producer Dan Nigro in early 2020." to "Roan began working with songwriter and producer Dan Nigro in late 2018." Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cxf7StZx60D (Instagram post by Dan Nigro where he states "On October 4th, 2018 I had my first session with Chappell Roan") The current source for that line also doesn't support the notion that Roan began work with Nigro in 2020. 136.51.56.140 (talk) 20:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 03:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2024

Kayleigh Rose’s original 2014 YouTube video upload of Die Young was produced by videographer Creative Knightmare.

Source: https://youtube.com/@creativeknightmare 206.195.69.161 (talk) 00:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:05, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2024 (2)

Change X: In 2015, when she was 17, Roan uploaded an original song, "Die Young", to YouTube.

To Y: In 2015, when she was 17, Roan uploaded an original song, "Die Young", to YouTube, produced by videographer, Creative Knightmare.

Source: https://youtube.com/@creativeknightmare

https://www.instagram.com/creativeknightmare/

I can also provide clips of the raw video if you email me. CreativeKnightmare (talk) 13:56, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but this can only be added if it was covered by third party, independent sources. Not your own socials. Wikipedia is not the place to promote yourself. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:27, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

That's dumb. This is the only thing I've done I feel successful at and I can't even get a fraction of notice for it. CreativeKnightmare (talk) 14:41, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but for obvious reasons if everyone was allowed to promote themselves on Wikipedia then the site would instantly be overrun with spam. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:49, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I understand, Thanks anyway. CreativeKnightmare (talk) 16:25, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Cultural impact

The first paragraph of “Cultural Impact” contains good relevant info but the writing feels out-of-character for this type of section. With the exception of the sentence on Rolling Stone, every sentence begins with some variant of “Roan has been praised for…” without mentioning who’s praised her (as opposed to something like "Critics have frequently praised Roan for..."), making the paragraph feel under-descriptive / under-sourced to the casual reader, as well as a bit tonally biased compared to equivalent "Impact" sections on pop artist articles.

In general the fact that this paragraph is almost entirely made up of quotes that describe and praise her artistry feels disorganized, 1. because many of them have more to do with artistry than impact, making them more suited for the “Artistry” section, OR making this paragraph’s section better suited for a title like “Public image and impact”), and 2. because it jumps into these quotes without first setting them up with a nice, dry, factual sentence like “Critical reception to Roan is generally positive, with praise concentrated on […]” as seen on Lorde’s article. The articles for Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo, and Taylor Swift all take similar approaches, each beginning their discussions on the artists’ impact/recognitions with a broad setup sentence like “Swift has been credited with making a profound impact on the music industry […]”. Nomoneydeepplates (talk) 15:36, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2024

Chappell’s performance at Austin city limits music festival in 2024 Drew, a massive crowd, even though she was not the headlining act.

(Please see this article and accompanying photograph. This performance was a big milestone for this artist.)

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/state/2024/10/07/chappell-roan-crowd-acl-2024-austin-city-limits-music-festival-photos/75558263007/ Altraoiche (talk) 22:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure what this performance adds beyond the last sentence of the third paragraph in Chappell_Roan#2024–present:_Career_breakthrough. The source you've provided is basically just a picture--there's no additional analysis. Is there anything specific you would add to the article about the ACL set? We don't need to list every time she draws a big crowd. Alyo (chat·edits) 15:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Awards

Gold Derby isn't notable, it's a fan prediction site, not a real awards site. Stop re-adding. Alyo (chat·edits) 03:07, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Yet again, I'm removing this. I cannot find a single piece of independent coverage about the GD Awards. It is not DUE for inclusion if no one else outside of GD writes about this. Find a reliable independent source. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Tagging @Adeliswift13 and @Aziel014. I brought up Gold Derby at RSN and another user immediately identified WP:DUE concerns. There is no coverage of this award anywhere on the internet that I can find by independent, reliable sources. The other awards at least seemed to check that box, but this one is complete self-spam. Alyo (chat·edits) 15:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Adeliswift13 and Aziel014: I agree that it should not be added, it does not seem notable enough to include. The edit warring needs to stop as well. Cerebral726 (talk) 13:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Tagging @Medxvo, since you re-added the awards, please provide a single independent, reliable source discussing the Gold Derby awards and demonstrating their notability. I do not care that the awards are referenced elsewhere on Wikipedia--I would be in favor of removing it anywhere I see it. Alyo (chat·edits) 21:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

I've only found for their Film Awards (I think because they're much older?), see Awards Daily and the Los Angeles Times. I don't think that that the editors and reviewers at FLC do all that so we "do not care" about it, List of awards and nominations received by Peter Capaldi was promoted just six months ago. I also don't see you removing it from that list yet despite removing it from here and other articles? Medxvo (talk) 21:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Right, the film awards date to the early-mid 2000s and the music award was created in 2020. As a result, although I have doubts about the film/tv award, I've erring on the side of only removing references to the Gold Derby Music Awards, which are not DUE for inclusion and are not covered meaningfully in any reliable sources. Gold Derby is trying to spon-con their way into some coverage, but otherwise the coverage is almost literally zero. Alyo (chat·edits) 22:11, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

There is no difference between the music and the film awards. The editorial team behind the two awards are almost the same, see the 2024 Film Awards and the 2024 Music Awards. I think it's better if you stop removing and seek consensus first, what do you think? Medxvo (talk) 22:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Alyo. Your latest +100 edits will be reverted if you don't seek consensus soon since you don't seem to care about the ongoing discussion. Medxvo (talk) 06:49, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

There is no consensus for inclusion. Please provide a reliable, independent source saying, e.g., Chappell Roan won a Gold Derby Music Award. If you cannot do so, the award is not DUE for inclusion. This concern was also brought up when I raised this source at RSN. To answer your specific note about editorial team, first--I don't think this editorial team is necessarily great for film either, as outside sources don't particularly seem to care about what they think. The Gold Derby (Film) Awards are not covered or reported on by anyone except fan sites and blogs. There is some historic coverage, and a single post on Awards Daily. That doesn't tell me that the GDFA are particularly DUE for inclusion either, but sure, lets err on the side of keeping it since they're established. But the Music Awards? Literally nothing. No one cares, no one covers it, it's non-notable spam. To the extent that I give the GDFAs some credit for having an editorial team that at least claims expertise in film and tv, that does not exist for music. Not a single member of the editorial board claims any experience in music, and so actually, although the editorial team is the same, it would actually help if they were different. If you were arguing for inclusion of this award show, what would you say? How would you argue, based on Wikipedia policy, that we should include the GDMAs? Alyo (chat·edits) 15:46, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

There is no consensus for exclusion either, you can't simply say that we shouldn't include it and proceed to remove it from 100 articles without seeking consensus. Most of the editorial team behind the two award shows claim expertise in film, tv, and music, including Daniel Montgomery who has been publishing articles about all of these. From my understanding, the user ActivelyDisinterested didn't oppose using the source for their award show, no? Medxvo (talk) 22:00, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

No, ActivelyDisinterested made the exact same objection I am making: that because there is no independent coverage of the award, it is not appropriate to include. See ...just because it can be verified doesn't mean it should be included. and ...it's reliable for these but I don't see how they would ever be due for inclusion. Alyo (chat·edits) 22:28, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

"it's reliable for these but I don't see how they would ever be due for inclusion" was about the website's odds and predictions not their awards. And ActivelyDisinterested's 23:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC) reply doesn't seem like an objection to me, which was after the "just because it can be verified doesn't mean it should be included" comment. Please correct me if I'm seeing anything wrong though. Medxvo (talk) 22:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

If you wish to ask @ActivelyDisinterested yourself, please do so. I don't think their response will differ drastically from what I'm telling you. (AD, this is in reference to your comments here at RSN.) Alyo (chat·edits) 22:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't support the inclusion of these awards unless there is independent reporting on them (e.g. someone else other than Gold Derby). -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 00:49, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

so if you don’t support them. remove it on other artists lists like taylor’s. don’t be biased. LoverReps (talk) 00:41, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

@LoverReps yup, I did. Alyo (chat·edits) 00:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Demisexuality

Is this source enough to add? This one is unreliable I guess, but there's {{cite video}} for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzZB86AONPE. Web-julio (talk) 01:15, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

(note: I'm not sure if this was already tried to be added in the article) Web-julio (talk) 01:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

North America singer

It’s not correct to say “American” singer if she is just of US🇺🇸 2406:3400:314:4A80:A1D3:7B56:8E07:EFC (talk) 08:38, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2024

Change personal life. Her uncle, Darrin Chappell, is a GOP representative in her home state of Missouri. He voted against healthcare for women. Chappell roan has yet to speak out against or for politics. https://house.mo.gov/MemberDetails.aspx?district=137&year=2024 Matildasquire (talk) 23:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.

This link says nothing about any relation to Chappell Roan. --AntiDionysius (talk) 23:52, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

How is this even relevant ? it's not her personal life ProudWatermelon (talk) 01:48, 12 December 2024 (UTC)