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I removed every instance where Albert Cashier was deadnamed in the article, according to Wikipedia's rules about gender identity.
There is still a lot of deadnaming in the sources, mainly because of the articles/books about him didn't care deadnaming at the time.
What should be done about this ? Captaintorche (talk) 06:48, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Captaintorche, and welcome to Wikipedia! You did the right thing by starting this discussion. In controversial issues like this, on controversial topics, like this one, stepping carefully and following all Wikipedia policies and guidelines scrupulously is of the essence. I've reverted your edit at the article for the time being, until this discussion can play out. For starters, please read WP:CONSENSUS and MOS:GENDERID. Good luck, Mathglot (talk) 08:00, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Captaintorche isn't wrong. This article is written with horrific tone that preferences questioning of the subject's own identity. It quite fully embraces the argument "trans people didn't exist until × time ago". The policy on deadnaming conveniently only applies to living people. Deadnaming someone who didn't attain prominence with that name is disgusting behaviour. That people erected a new gravestone in 1977 to give prominence to his deadname is an example of transphobia literally carved in stone! This article does give some detail on forced detransition due to his senility and transphobia of the 1910s. About the only thing it lacks is JK Rowling commenting on the necessity of using his 'biological name'! Deliriousandlost (talk) 22:47, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is this ridiculous sentence in this article's starting section, which I've copied below;
"Cashier became famous as one of at least 250 soldiers who were assigned female at birth and enlisted as men to fight in the Civil War"
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What exactly is the meaning of the sentence 'assigned female at birth' supposed to insinuate, and how is it, according to a certain user who reverted my amendment of this sentence to a simple and grammatically correct 'female' supposed to be 'proper grammar'? What is grammatically correct about saying "assigned female at birth" as opposed to "female"? Sormando (talk) 09:49, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The term assigned female at birth is standard terminology in the field; you can read about it at the article sex assignment. I don't see any consensus for your desired change yet, and consequently have undone your change of 05:14, 12 November, pending further discussion. A core policy of Wikipedia is to get agreement among collaborating editors for changes, and we are not there yet. Please get a clear consensus before making further changes of this sort. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 08:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
