Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2009 May 21

May 21

Template:19 TV Productions

Template:19 TV Productions (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This would be better handled by a list. This is just a mess. No criteria for inclusion for one thing. And unwieldly. User:Woohookitty ^{Diamming fool!} 04:40, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Template:Costa Rica Squad 2005 UNCAF Nations Cup

Template:Costa Rica Squad 2005 UNCAF Nations Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template is a navbox for national football team squad at a competition which is not a FIFA or Confederation championship. WP:FOOTY consensus is that navboxes are only needed for those championships. Jogurney (talk) 01:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Jogurney (talk) 01:57, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Template:Cite newsgroup

Template:Cite newsgroup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

According to WP:ELNO, we should almost never cite to a newsgroup except in very, very rare circumstances. Looking at the number of pages using this template, it is clearly being misused for cases where a better reference is needed. I've been trying to remove the most blatant instances, while others seem like they could simply be replaced with a {{Cite web}}. If we're not supposed to cite newsgroups, then why do we have a citation template for them anyway? (I can't tag the template proper as it's locked.) Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 00:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

• Keep it is useful to have a template to do this even if seldom used, as people would not know how to do this citation without help. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:37, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

• Why not just bung it to {{cite web}} for the very few times when it is needed? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 01:40, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

• Keep When we do cite it we should do it properly. It will additionally help to keep track of those articles where the groups are cited. DGG (talk) 01:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep. Template_talk:Cite_newsgroup#Citation_warning_incorrect pretty much sums up the reasons why this template exists, and I believe that WP:ELNO applies to external links, not citations. I can think of, off the top of my head, several instances where this template could correctly be used (though not necessarily current usage): Terry Pratchett posted regularly on newsgroups in the late 90s (might still do, I don't recall), and using {{cite newsgroup}} to provide a citation when quoting such a post would be useful (Edit: It appears that Discworld uses this template at least three times to directly reference a quote from Terry Pratchett). The Inform group of programming languages, as well as other related topics (Interactive Fiction, TADS) is primarily developed via the newsgroup rec.arts.int-fiction, and announcements about its development are made there. Certainly, I agree, there will be some incorrect uses of it, but to delete it purely on that basis just doesn't make any sense. Likewise, I think that replacing it with {{cite web}} would degrade the quality of the reference as (at least as far as I'm aware) {{cite web}} doesn't have any provision for newsgroup-linking. Jude (talk) 05:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)