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March 25

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March 25, 2019 (2019-03-25) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Gaza–Israel conflict Seven people are moderately injured after a rocket attack destroys a home in Mishmeret, Israel. The Israel Defense Forces claim that Hamas is responsible for any attack from Gaza. (BBC News) As a result, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu cuts his four-day trip to the United States short after meeting with U.S. President Donald Trump. (Reuters) (The Washington Post) In retaliation Israeli Air Force jets strike multiple targets in the Gaza Strip, including the office of senior Hamas official Ismail Haniyeh, and Hamas' military intelligence headquarters in Gaza City. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2019 Iran floods Flash flooding in the southern provinces of Iran kills at least 19 people and injures more than 100. The majority of the deaths occurred in the city of Shiraz. (BBC News) Health and environment Bayer and Johnson & Johnson announce that they have reached a $775 million agreement to settle approximately 25,000 outstanding litigation cases, which claim that their drug Xarelto caused severe and sometimes fatal bleeding episodes. Bayer and Johnson & Johnson had successfully defended the safety of the drug in all six prior cases that went to trial. (The New York Times) International relations United States recognition of the Golan Heights as part of Israel, Israel–United States relations, Syria–United States relations U.S. President Donald Trump signs a proclamation formally recognising the disputed Golan Heights as sovereign Israeli territory. (Al Jazeera) Syria's Foreign Affairs Ministry condemns Trump's move as a "flagrant violation of the sovereignty of Syria". (Xinhuanet) Greek–Turkish relations Greek prime minister Alexis Tsipras says Turkish fighter jets threatened his helicopter, in Greek airspace, heading to the Aegean island of Agathonisi, near Turkey's coastline, for Greek Independence Day which celebrates the country's 1821 uprising against the Ottoman Empire. Turkish security forces rejected the accusation, insisting the jets were carrying out a routine mission. (BBC News) Law and crime A judge rules that former Guantanamo Bay prisoner Omar Khadr has completed his prison sentence. (CBC) (Vancouver Courier) Attorney Michael Avenatti is arrested and charged with extortion, embezzlement and bank fraud. (CNBC)

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(Closed) Proclamation on Recognizing the Golan Heights as Part of the State of Israel

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Israeli-Syrian checkpoint in the Golan Heights, 2012

Article: Proclamation on Recognizing the Golan Heights as Part of the State of Israel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United States recognizes Israeli sovereignty over the disputed Golan Heights, occupied since 1967. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The United States recognizes Israeli sovereignty over the disputed Golan Heights, internationally recognized as occupied Syrian territory.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The United States proclaims that Israel has sovereignty over the disputed Golan Heights, internationally recognized as occupied Syrian territory.
News source(s): BBC Proclamation text
Credits:

• Nominated by Nice4What (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Significant development, US is the only other nation other than Israel to recognize the Golan as Israeli. I used the word "occupied" as this is not disputed by the international community, not even the United Nations. Also important in the context of the upcoming Israeli election. Nice4What (talk) 00:35, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose US is the only other nation other than Israel to recognize the Golan as Israeli.... We should not include fringe opinions on the Main Page.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 01:12, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
  • While I don't think we should post this story for other reasons, I would not call the US's view in the larger issue around Israel and the middle east "fringe". They are a significant player in the Middle East situation. --Masem (t) 01:23, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
  • This is a major development for Syrian politics as well, this isn't suppose to be American-centric. United States is the first to recognize the Golan Heights as part of Israel, similar to how the United States was first to recognize a unified Jerusalem as Israel's capital. Nice4What (talk) 01:35, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Question Did we post when Syria recognized Abkhazia and South Ossetia as countries? The US decision to move its embassy to Jerusalem was a dramatic shift in policy and had lasting consequences, but I'm not sure that this story is comparable. I'm not saying it's unimportant, but my (admittedly limited) understanding of the situation is that it's about as consequential as any member of the UN recognizing any other de-facto-but-not-de-jure polity. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 01:49, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Syria does not have much geopolitical clout compared to the US. Beyond the Middle East, the US disregarding Syria's territorial integrity may have wider consequences (see this article). Hrodvarsson (talk) 02:27, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support I don't see why we wouldn't post this. The US is a world superpower (hyperpower even). That a world superpower can embrace a fringe position makes it more notable, not less. This will be of interest to other countries as well, especially those in the Middle East; in fact Turkey has already said it's going to raise the issue at the UN. This kind of international event with future repercussions should be posted on ITN. Banedon (talk) 01:55, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• With all due respect, the US being a world superpower doesn't mean that all of its foreign policy decisions are automatically ITN/R, and the Turkish & Israeli governments are at odds with each other in more or less every situation. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 02:04, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• I'm not invoking ITNR here - just that it's in the news. US policy decisions make much more news than, say, Paraguay's for a reason. Turkey is hardly going to be acting alone in this case either. Syria also said it will contest the recognition, Russia expressed concerns, etc. Banedon (talk) 02:06, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support Notable development. Hrodvarsson (talk) 02:27, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Worrying development, and not just for the Middle East. Tlhslobus (talk) 07:42, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment – The orange one is "deviating significantly from the prevailing views" on this matter. By definition that is fringe. I don't think it matters how powerful the nation is. @Masem: imagine if the dean of the most respected university in a particular scientific field deviated from an accepted theory despite the opposition by an overwhelming majority of the researchers in that field. Would we even mention their opinion on the article about that subject. In the same vain, we should not elevate this. I am reminded on Twitter's laughable insistence that blue check mark verification icon does not represent endorsement. By using the word "recognize" we inherently are implying that this is somehow the acceptance of known fact. Sure the word has many definitions but a few of them have this connotation. It would be less misleading to say "The United States claims that Israel has sovereignty over the disputed Golan Heights." or something like that. I may even agree to "proclaims" (which is in the title of the article), added as Alt.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 07:51, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• @Nice4What: The comparison to Jerusalem is a false equivalence. Many scholars including Palestinians accept Israel's sovereignty over at least West Jerusalem. And since a nation can choose to put their capital anywhere within their territory, it is not farfetched to recognize this claim, no matter how damaging critics believe the policy may be. But unilaterally recognizing a swath of disputed land as belonging to one of the belligerents in the dispute is surely fringe when no other nation has joined in the proclamation.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 08:18, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Yes, the "orange one" has the authority to speak for the U.S. in this regard, but it's a bit intellectually dishonest to frame this as "a superpower is endorsing a fringe idea!" While it's technically true, but it's really just one guy who (I think BLP would allow me to say) might be a few sandwiches shy of a picnic. Let me pose this question: how is the situation materially altered beyond the headline? GreatCaesarsGhost 11:25, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – This bit of Machtpolitik rhetoric doesn't change anything on the ground, which has been controlled by Israel for half a century. Sca (talk) 16:09, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per GCG. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:39, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support The country of Israel is basically a giant territorial dispute, internationally. When a major country like the U.S. recognizes an area as being controlled by Israel it's very much newsworthy and deserves to be posted. I would feel the same if the U.S. declared Syrian soveriegnty over the Golan Heights. ViridianWindow (talk) 17:10, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose, this is merely political posturing on many levels. Chief among them is the fact that there's really no such thing as "recognizing sovereignty" of a piece of conquered territory. A country can recognize new states such as Kosovo or East Timor, but not the Crimea or the Golan Heights. Abductive (reasoning) 21:20, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• support - whether we like it or not this is a significant recognition by the US which is a major player in this situation.BabbaQ (talk) 23:01, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, but WHY? Why is it significant that the US is supporting this claim, when Israel maintained control for 50 years with no support? What changes for any single Syrian or Israeli, for any square meter of this territory? GreatCaesarsGhost 01:47, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose One country recognizes that another one has gained territory from a third, more than half a century after it happened. We've had 52 years to see the actual effect of this event; the recognition itself isn't particularly world-shaking. By the way, this is hardly a fringe position; nobody argues that Granada is Spanish-occupied Moorish territory or that Asia Minor is Turkish-occupied Greek territory. Nyttend backup (talk) 15:48, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

• To be fair, nobody argues that Granada is Moorish territory occupied by Spain because the international community has long recognized Granada as part of Spain's legitimate and legal borders, whereas Moor isn't a country. In this case, the international community's stance is that Israeli presence in the area is illegal under international law, and the US recognizing the opposite is not enough to change that in any material way. I agree that the decision from the US isn't consequential (the de facto situation that Israel has a presence in the area is unchanged, the de jure position that the UN views that as illegal is unchanged). The clout from the US as a "major player" will prove useless in the Security Council, where France, UK, China, and Russia all intend to oppose the decision from the US. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 19:12, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Nothing more than Trump pandering to his base. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:38, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment – Getting stale, suggest close. – Sca (talk) 13:14, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Why? The bot will expire it off in a few days, the discussion has no devolved to a contentious wall of text, consensus may still emerge. Leave it alone. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:39, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

It was in the news four days ago. Now it isn't.
Further, throughout history territory has changed hands as a result of warfare. Fairly recent example: The Oder–Neisse annexations, which though affecting millions of people required only half as long to be recognized by the losers. – Sca (talk) 14:54, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Closed) RD: Fred Malek

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Article: Fred Malek (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Politico
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 20:37, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - Only one page and is the English one. Without rellevance. (Alsoriano97) (talk) 21:03, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@Alsoriano97: All individuals with a standalone WP article are presumed to be notable and may have an entry in RD as long as the article is updated and of sufficient quality. "Relevance" would be, well, not relevant in this case. –FlyingAce^✈hello 22:18, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment. Not fully updated for tense. Some sources needed (not tagged) and others seem to me insufficiently solid to support the material. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:37, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose a few citations needed. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:42, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Scott Walker (singer)

Article: Scott Walker (singer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Yorkshiresky (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Rock singer. Ref issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 09:00, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment Have been working on it and think I've addressed all the citation issues. yorkshiresky (talk) 20:40, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• Multiple paragraphs and discography lacking a single reference. Stephen 00:23, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Discography is unreferenced. However, in the text, most of the albums have references so it needs to be added to the discography. Capitalistroadster (talk) 03:33, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose several uncited claims in the prose. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:44, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Added refs for outstanding uncited claims.yorkshiresky (talk) 18:04, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support good enough. Nice work. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:05, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support - good enough for posting.BabbaQ (talk) 22:35, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support per above, thank you, yorkshiresky! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:37, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. Excellent work. Black Kite (talk) 23:40, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

March 24

Portal:Current events/2019 March 24

March 24, 2019 (2019-03-24) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan (2001–2021) A United States airstrike in Afghanistan early Saturday kills 10 children and 3 adults. The family was displaced because of the conflict according to early findings by the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan. (Reuters) Arts and culture The 2019 Global Teacher Prize and its $1 million (£760,000) purse is awarded to Brother Peter Tabichi, a Franciscan science teacher from rural Kenya. Tabichi gives away 80 percent of his salary to support poorer pupils at the Keriko Mixed Day Secondary School in Pwani Village, Nakuru. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents Stoneman Douglas High School massacre aftermath More than 60 school, county, city, child services and law enforcement officials, as well as mental health specialists, teachers and parents, hold an emergency meeting after the suicide of a second Stoneman Douglas survivor. Florida's emergency chief is requesting the state Legislature provide more mental health resources for the community. Coral Springs, Florida, police reported that, Saturday night, a current sophomore killed himself. Last week, Sydney Aiello, a 19-year-old graduate who had recently been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder, took her own life. (The Guardian) (Miami Herald) International relations Russia–Venezuela relations Two Russian military planes, an Ilyushin Il-62 and an Antonov An-124, land at Simón Bolívar International Airport near Caracas, Venezuela, carrying senior Defence Ministry official Vasily Tonkoshkurov, a large amount of equipment and about 100 troops. Russia, which three months earlier held joint military exercises on Venezuelan soil, condemned other countries for backing Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaidó against embattled President Nicolás Maduro. (Reuters) (BBC News) Status of Jerusalem In Washington, D.C., the leaders of Romania and Honduras announce they will recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital, following the lead of the United States. (Fox News) Politics and elections 2019 Thai general election Voters in Thailand head to the polls to elect all 500 members of the House of Representatives. This is the first parliamentary election held in the country since the invalidation of the 2014 Thai general election and the ensuing 2014 Thai coup d'état. (Reuters) (The Washington Post) 2019 Comorian presidential election Voters in the Comoros head to the polls to elect a new President. (BBC News) Mueller special counsel investigation Special Counsel Robert Mueller's report on Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections does not find that any US officials or Trump campaign members knowingly conspired with the government of Russia. Mueller drew no conclusions about whether Trump illegally obstructed justice. (Reuters) (The New York Times) Attorney General William Barr releases the "principal conclusions" of Mueller's investigation in a four-page public letter to the Congress's Judiciary Committee leadership. (Fox News) (The Washington Post) (William Barr letter to congress via The Washington Post) Thousands of teachers gather in the capital of Rabat, Morocco to protest working conditions and wages. (BBC News) (France 24)

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(Closed, Reposted) Special Counsel investigation conclusion

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Article: Special Counsel investigation (2017–2019) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ U.S. Attorney General William Barr sends a four-page letter to Congress that there is not sufficient evidence that President Donald Trump colluded with Russia or obstructed justice. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Special Counsel investigation concludes without sufficient evidence to determine if U.S. President Donald Trump colluded with Russia or obstructed justice. Original Altblurb posted at 21:28, 26 March by Sca: The Special Counsel investigation does not find collusion between President Donald Trump's election campaign and Russia, and does not reach a conclusion regarding allegations of obstruction of justice.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Special Counsel investigation concludes that there was no collusion between U.S. President Donald Trump and Russia during the 2016 presidential election and there was insufficient evidence pertaining to allegations of obstructed justice.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Special Counsel investigation concludes that there was no collusion between U.S. President Donald Trump's campaign and Russia during the 2016 presidential election and there was insufficient evidence pertaining to allegations of obstructed justice.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ The U.S. Special Counsel investigation, headed by Robert Mueller (pictured), concludes.
Alternative blurb V: ​ The Special Counsel investigation concludes that there was no collusion between U.S. President Donald Trump and Russia during the 2016 presidential election.
Alternative blurb VI: ​ The Special Counsel investigation concludes and does not establish that the Donald Trump 2016 campaign conspired with Russian efforts to interfere in 2016 U.S. elections.
News source(s): CNBC, ABC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Aviartm (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Main conclusions of the Special Counsel's findings have been released. Aviartm (talk) 22:10, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support global headlines today, "in the news" for nearly two years, this is the time to post. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:11, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Agreed, this is the time to post. Davey2116 (talk) 20:17, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• I would also support Ongoing, as it appears this story might develop over the next week. Davey2116 (talk) 03:59, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• See comment below. Davey2116 (talk) 23:58, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose "not sufficient evidence that President Donald Trump obstructed justice" is misleading. Mueller report according AG Barr did not make a determination on this question. I support posting on the collusion question.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:26, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• Coffeeandcrumbs, perhaps the hook could say "not sufficient evidence the campaign colluded with Russia, while allegations of obstruction of justice were not addressed", or something like that? – Muboshgu (talk) 20:34, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• However, Barr did address that issue.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:38, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• While Mueller presented the available evidence, he did not make the final call. The blurb is technically correct but lacks context and is misleading for such a controversial topic. Mueller as Barr quotes said it does not exonerate the president on the question of obstruction.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:51, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• Couldn't I or whoever that accepts this nomination and puts it on the Main Page improve the blurb to add the context that it does not exonerate Trump completely yet? Aviartm (talk) 21:10, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• Sounds good to me. ITN also requires that the updated bolded articles meet certain standards. See oppose by Masem below.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:18, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• @Coffeeandcrumbs: Alright. I made it present tense and improved it. I think if I added the exoneration part will make it too long but I am not sure. Should be added though. Aviartm (talk) 21:35, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• You have not improved it at all.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:51, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• @Coffeeandcrumbs: How about now? Aviartm (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support altblurb only.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:21, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• But then you changed it.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:35, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

  Coffeeandcrumbs, I changed it back. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:38, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• Coffeeandcrumbs & Muboshgu I think my altblurb is best because in the four page letter, Barr states that they could not conclude on obstruction of justice but did say no collusion..."The Special Counsel’s investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities." You can read the letter here. Aviartm (talk) 22:47, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

  Aviartm, "did not establish ... collusion" =/= "exonerated on collusion". The letter doesn't say Mueller concluded there was no collusion, he just didn't conclude that there was. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:55, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• Muboshgu I did recognize earlier today the ambiguous nature of the letter. However, in the second half discussing obstruction of justice, Barr deliberately says "The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion — one way or the other — as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction." I feel that if the DOJ had an exact position on collusion, they would clearly state so like they did in the letter on obstruction of justice. Aviartm (talk) 23:44, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

  Aviartm, what you "feel" is not the same as what we objectively know. Mueller wrote: "While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him”. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:56, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• Muboshgu True. Yes, that quotation is in the letter but under the Obstruction of Justice section, not the whole letter. This is also stated in the letter that clears the confusion: "In making this determination, we noted that the Special Counsel recognized that “the evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference," and that, while not determinative, the absence of such evidence bears upon the President's intent with respect to obstruction." So the Special Counsel did recognize that they could not find any links of Trump and/or his Campaign colluding but could not reach a consensus on obstruction of justice. These are two things. Aviartm (talk) 00:08, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

  Aviartm, "the evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime" is also not the same thing as an exoneration. Especially since we don't yet know what the evidence is. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:20, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Muboshgu Yes but wouldn't you think the DOJ, if they knew that reliable, reputable evidence investigated by the Special Counsel showed that the President did collude, they would be saying that? The Special Counsel did conclude, it is done. That is the Special Counsel's findings assessed by the DOJ. Since the blurb is to report the findings and not speculate further potential investigation, altblurb2 appears to be the most appropriate. After all, Wikipedia is not a NOTACRYSTALBALL. Aviartm (talk) 00:29, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

  Aviartm, I wouldn't think too much of it because that's the unknown: WP:OR/WP:SYNTH. I could easily suggest that Barr's letter was the coverup Trump appointed him for, but I can't be sure of that. All I know is that he hasn't been exonerated from anything, and the other investigations continue. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:03, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• MuboshguThe New York Times link was to the AG Letter, not their take, so no WP:OR or WP:SYNTH. The only thing that Trump has been exonerated of is allegations of Russian collusion, not Obstruction of Justice. This is what I have repeatedly been saying. That is why Ad Orientem has been saying. Please read my 3rd most recent comment or go to the Donald Trump Article Talk Page where we have conversed there. Aviartm (talk) 02:02, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@Muboshgu What you know is neither here nor there. We go by what reliable sources are saying. And they are all reporting that the investigation by the Special Counsel has stated that there was no collusion between either the President or his campaign and Russia. That's what is being reported and that is what we go with. Anything else is likely a BLP vio. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:15, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Ad Orientem, saying that "there was no collusion" is not the same thing as "the SC did not find collusion" and that's the important distinction to make. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:27, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Muboshgu Except that the SC did state that there was no collusion. They did not state that there was insufficient evidence. They said there was no collusion. See the above quote from the NY Times. Any statement saying or implying anything else is false and a BLP violation. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:31, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Ad Orientem No, the SC hasn't stated anything publicly. This is what AG Barr is stating, not Mueller. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:52, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

No. It is what pretty much every reliable source is saying. And that, again, is what we go with. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:00, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Ad Orientem, we really need to be careful with what we're calling "reliable sources" in this because sometimes you find out that you were just wrong. This needs to be vague. Jerry Nadler: “His conclusions raise more questions than they answer.” – Muboshgu (talk) 02:41, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

No. We abide by what RS sources say. Not our intuition, gut feelings, personal knowledge, suspicions etc. If they make a mistake and correct it, then so do we. That I have to explain this to an admin is disconcerting. Right now RS sources are pretty much unanimously saying that Trump and his campaign have been cleared of the collusion accusations. Your position is starting to look like a bad case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:52, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Ad Orientem, perhaps it is. Alt2 is probably a fine compromise blurb, and all of the updates that happen will be nominated and debated. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:59, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment. No opinion on item or precise wording but the blurb needs to mention in bold the target article, avoid overlinking and be in the present tense. Espresso Addict (talk) 20:27, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• There's no bolded link in the blurb. If it's to be Special Counsel investigation (2017–2019), that article hasn't gotten an (unreverted) update - certainly not one meeting WP:ITN#Updated content - and much of it hasn't even been updated for the Friday conclusion-sans-results. —Cryptic 20:33, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Great, this is over. In the news, etc etc. Now, the real investigations of the NY AG, SDNY, and relevant House committees can really kick off. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:34, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
  • of SDNY or by SDNY? --LaserLegs (talk) 20:37, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

    LaserLegs, "by". I just want us all to remember that the investigations of Trump are not over. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:08, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

    • Changing my vote to ongoing because it's clear that this isn't "over" based on a partisan AG's two-day summarization of a two-year investigation. The House Judiciary Chair points out that this three-and-a-half page letter from Barr raises more questions than it answers.[1] – Muboshgu (talk) 02:43, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose only on quality, there's a handful of CNs in the article. This is ITN-worthy ending a good year+ long story that has been in the news throughout. --Masem (t) 20:35, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose US house Democrats are demanding a hearing - I would wait until it is done. Juxlos (talk) 20:39, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
  • House Benghazi rules demand five investigations, none of which turn up any evidence but are insinuated to have found a "smoking gun". The thing is, the DOJ special counsel investigation has concluded. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:43, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• Altblurb added. Feel free to tinker. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:03, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
  • But isn't showing up. Is the template busted somehow? – Muboshgu (talk) 22:05, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @Muboshgu: Our edits conflicted but I ensured your edits and mine came to fruition. Hopefully everything shows up. I added your altblurb. I don't see it either. Not sure why. Aviartm (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Ongoing only – Being not declared guilty is not the same as being declared not guilty, i.e. exonerated, as AG Barr acknowledges, and Demos "vow to press on with their own investigation." Like Brexit, it ain't over. – Sca (talk) 22:45, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support altblurb2 I think we finally have a Donald Trump blurb that we can post. Note: I strongly oppose the first two proposed blurbs as they incorrectly imply that the issue of collusion was not definitely ruled out by the investigation. All of the sources I am reading, including fairly left leaning ones like the NY Times and WaPo are saying that it was. Only the question of obstruction of justice remains open due to lack of evidence. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:06, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

WASHINGTON — The investigation led by Robert S. Mueller III found that neither President Trump nor any of his aides conspired or coordinated with the Russian government’s 2016 election interference, according to a summary of the special counsel’s key findings made public on Sunday by Attorney General William P. Barr.

Mr. Barr also said that Mr. Mueller’s team drew no conclusions about whether Mr. Trump illegally obstructed justice. Mr. Barr and the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, determined that the special counsel’s investigators lacked sufficient evidence to establish that Mr. Trump committed that offense, but added that Mr. Mueller’s team stopped short of exonerating Mr. Trump.[2]

• Ad Orientem Great job on the altblurb2. Currently am having a conversation with Muboshgu if you noticed and that is what I was trying to convey. Great job on the altblurb! :) (I was about to upload my comment but our edits conflicted with your article pice.)

• Support altblurb2 I support altblurb2. Aviartm (talk) 00:19, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment This is not a comment on whether or not it should be posted, but if I'm not mistaken they've not released it to the public yet, have they? Developments of interests could be expected in the near future (not suggesting that this nomination waits, though) Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 01:43, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Yup. The Fat Lady hasn't sung yet. – Sca (talk) 01:58, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support but I have my doubts about alt 2: it should mention the Trump campaign, not Trump himself. Banedon (talk) 02:19, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

  I second that any blurb posted should refer to the campaign Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 02:37, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support. Appropriately worded to address NPOV concerns. Capitalistroadster (talk) 02:35, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment I'm fine with either alt2 or alt3. The first two are inconsistent with what is being reported. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:20, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Agreed but they are about 250 characters long. Perhaps shorten to "...U.S. President Donald Trump's election campaign and Russia and there was insufficient evidence of obstruction of justice." More trimming may be necessary.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:36, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 04:50, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose This nonsense needs to be pulled. The words of William Barr are not the final steps of this process, and we don't even know if the letter is an accurate summation. Nihlus 04:54, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• Pull The blurb as posted would be noteworthy if it were true, which it isn't. As those are the words of Barr and not Mueller, let's wait a few days to get the facts correct...or just say the investigation was closed and let that be it. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:34, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• GreatCaesarsGhost "The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.” - Barr AND Mueller's words together on Russian interference. Again, lastly, with Obstruction of Justice: "The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion - one way or the other – as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction. Instead, for each of the relevant actions investigated, the report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leaves unresolved what the Special Counsel views as “difficult issues” of law and fact concerning whether the President's actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction. The Special Counsel states that “while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.” - Barr AND Mueller's words together. Current Blurb holds both of these points. Nothing is distorted about the Current Blurb. Aviartm (talk) 20:12, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Pull per above. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:36, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• Pull. The blurb as currently stands has an editorial bent.--WaltCip (talk) 12:01, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment instead of pulling, why not just shorten the blurb to what has happened which is "The U.S. Special Counsel investigation, headed by Robert Mueller (pictured), concludes.". Then we can keep this obviously notable story with a decent article in the box. Nifty right? --LaserLegs (talk) 12:35, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

I would concede that the consensus above says the *ending itself* is noteworthy (I'm neutral/weak oppose myself). Barr's summary is decidedly POV though and should be removed in any case. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:36, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

I have no doubt this will continue in the house, but the DOJ investigation is done and as AG it's Barrs summary to write. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:18, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment as best as I can tell, under the normal legal process, Barr's decision as AG to not instigate any charges means this is over. Barr has the option to not share the Mueller report with Congress or the public. Now, I know Congress is trying to force him to turn it over or get him to testify, but this is all out-of-process at this point; those events may not happen, but the AG closing the book on the matter is an end point. --Masem (t) 13:39, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Don't see a problem with the blurb. No need to pull.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:47, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

  There's definitely no consensus to have it posted right now. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:53, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment As I have noted (repeatedly) above, the blurb reflects what has been reported in virtually all of the reliable sources. That is what we go by. Suggestions that the United States Attorney General is misrepresenting the findings of the special counsel sounds like a lot of IDONTLIKEIT POV/OR with a dash of fringe conspiracy theory thrown in for flavor. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:54, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

No one suggested he is lying, but he is a biased partisan in this matter - there is every reason to think his specific interpretation of the findings will be colored by that partisanship. RS's have gone to great lengths to attribute the statement to Barr, and it is WP:OR to transfer it to Mueller. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:56, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

I agree with GreatCaesarsGhost. We shouldn't attribute Barr's words to Mueller. Originally, only Barr knew what was in the report, but it has since been delivered to Congress, and Congress already disputes Barr's summary of it. We're in no position to make the judgment call that Barr is right and Congress is wrong. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 15:32, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment – Once again: We still don't know the details of the report. "Concludes that there was no collusion" is an oversimplification of an issue summarized as "did not find evidence that..." etc. As noted above, being not declared guilty is not the same as being exonerated.

However – particularly in view of the amateurish pulling of Previn on Feb. 28 – I can't support pulling this one. Instead, suggest we relegate it to Ongoing. The vagaries of U.S. politics being what they are, it's likely to go on as a news story for some time. – Sca (talk) 13:57, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Change to altblurb4, as suggested by LaserLegs above. The current blurb is wayyy too long. I don't think it's a good idea to try and encapsulate such a complex topic in a blurb. Let the reader go to the article to see what the investigation found. -- Ununseti (talk) 14:02, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Edit: To clarify, I weakly oppose all the other blurbs for being too long / WP:UNDUE-y. I would support Ongoing. -- Ununseti (talk) 00:06, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment I've proposed altblurb5 without the part on the obstructed justice. I also strongly oppose altblurb4 because its wording tells absolutely nothing about the investigation, while a blurb should always report a clear message extracted from a newsworthy story.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:29, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment it's pretty clear that more time needs to be taken to establish a consensus-led blurb for this story. Using the ITN section of the main page as a sandbox is inappropriate. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:28, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Another reason to stick it in Ongoing for now, rather than just ignore it. – Sca (talk) 14:42, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• The level of IDONTLIKEIT commentary in this discussion, and now the posted blurb has been modified w/o consensus such that it no longer reflects what has been reported in virtually all reliable sources, is deeply disturbing and discouraging. When people complain about political bias on Wikipedia, this is the kind of crap they are talking about. Do what you will. This has become a POV clusterfuck and I am done with it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:18, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• I've reread some of the media reports , the Barr letter an a few other things and taking into account the above, and I am going to strongly suggest that this simply it put to Ongoing. It is clear that we are not yet presently going to be able to come up with a blurb that is concise and stays neutral that is accurate to the situation, and the next several days as Barr determines what to publish from it will be interesting. I also see something I even missed in the letter, is that this are his preliminary findings, meaning subject to change. So I think that with the report done and Barr reviewing, that makes this ongoing (in the same manner that Brexit is - both events are building up to something but we don't know what). That way, we are covering something that at this point is unescapably in the news and from a decent quality article, but avoid the minefield of trying to make a statement towards it on the main page when no one else can make one either. --Masem (t) 15:28, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Altblurb IV / Ongoing / Pull I'm equally okay with all three courses of action, but the blurb as-is is too problematic. Per the comments above, altblurb IV is both the most concise and least misleading, but the details of the report are still to be announced. I'm starting to lean in favor of the recommendations by Sca and TRM that we hold off on a blurb until a consensus develops, and perhaps leave it in Ongoing until the public gets to know what's in the report. I have no issue posting that the 22 month long extravaganza has concluded (as altblurb IV does), but I do take issue with going solely off of Barr's summary of it, which is already being disputed by congress (now that the report has been given to congress). We cannot make the judgment call that Barr is right and Congress is wrong, and we cannot attribute Barr's words to Mueller as the other blurbs do. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 15:28, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• Note: I live in the US and so can’t speak to if this receiving international press covfefe coverage, but I will point out that for the sake of accuracy, there is no legal term called “collusion” (there is, but it means something different, as in Colin Kaepernick’s collusion lawsuit against the NFL). I would support a change to “conspiracy” (the name of the crime) or “coordination” (what Barr calls it in the summary). — pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 15:55, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

  pythoncoder, whether or not this has international coverage isn't relevant per the "Please do not" section above on this page. I would not argue with changing the term to "coordination", but "collusion" is the most commonly used term. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:58, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• This is the biggest fiasco I have witnessed in ITN Candidates in regards to interpretation. The Department of Justice has concluded and brought a summary to Congress and the American People. All of these distorted POV attempts to hijack and change the Current Blurb should be detested. Just because something is not formed in your image does not mean it is wrong or incorrect. These nominations must be neutral and impartial and that is what the Current Blurb possesses. We already know a bunch of people are at odds with Mueller's conclusions and what not. But this will not detract from the final judgement that the Department of Justice reached. Wikipedia is Wikipedia:NOTACRYSTALBALL. Any attempt at second-guessing the findings is violating this WP and in violation of Wikipedia:Biography of living persons. Aviartm (talk) 16:35, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with Robert Mueller's conclusions. It has to do with failing to attribute the summary of the report to William Barr. There is an ongoing post-mortem to this investigation here that we need to account for, and we currently are not.--WaltCip (talk) 16:43, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

I tried earlier but I guess that was not applicable due to the information we were trying to reach a consensus.

The DOJ investigation is done, and the AG has provided a summary of his findings. I'm afraid that's how it is. When the house convenes new investigations, when those conclude, we can post them as well. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:56, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Remove the obstruction part. That they failed to reach a conclusion is non-news. The rest of the blurb will necessarily be partisan, but it's passable. wumbolo ^^^ 16:40, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
  • The AG singled out two key findings in his letter to congress: collusion and obstruction. Include both, or neither, but do not cherry-pick. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:54, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Exactly, include both. It is the only proper thing to do in the first place. Aviartm (talk) 16:57, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• WaltCip I have no idea which news you are following but every news source I have read or listened to is heavily talking about the non-conclusion of obstruction of justice. That too should be included as it is in the news. Aviartm (talk) 16:57, 25 March 2019 (UTC).
• Comment with alternative blurb offered - Looking at what is quite possibly the longest blurb in Wikipedia history. With that in mind I offer the following just-the-peg blurb (apparent limitation of four at top). A Special Counsel investigation finds no evidence of collusion between U.S. President Donald Trump and Russia. CoatCheck (talk) 17:43, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment this really needs to be pulled until a factually accurate, NPOV blurb is agreed upon. Right now there's not even a consensus to post it at all, let alone in its current state. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:11, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
  • That could be avoided by citing verbatim what the report states, without paraphrasing. Then the onus would lie solely on Barr, not on us. Brandmeister^talk 18:42, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Good job! Wording is as accurate as can be (until the day we all can read the report ourselves). -SusanLesch (talk) 18:15, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Yes, that's the point many of the detractors seem to be missing: Barr is AG, it is his report and he can summarize the conclusions as he sees fit. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:48, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
    • SusanLesch I agree! LaserLegs Exactly, it is only proper if we highlight the only 2 critical things of the report fairly. Aviartm (talk) 20:06, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• Just a friendly reminder... – Muboshgu (talk) 19:01, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Dan Rather

@danrather

I've covered enough big news stories to know that sometimes the headlines from the first day can evolve considerably as more information comes to light.

24 Mar 2019

• Support with alternative blurb IV, otherwise pull the inaccurate blurb. Gamaliel (talk) 19:50, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Gamaliel If you would like to explain why it is inaccurate, please explain. However, so far, no one that has objected the Current Blurb has any grounds as the Current Blurb contains both 2 focal points of the report best as possible. Trump IS exonerated of collusion with his Campaign, not with obstruction of justice. As clear as day and night. Aviartm (talk) 20:06, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Well the summary from Barr doesn't say "exonerated" it says no evidence, let's just use the AG wording and be done with it. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:17, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support alt blurb 6. I think we should stick as close to what the we know the Mueller report says, that the investigation "did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities." ^Falling_Gravity 20:11, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• FallingGravity Already says that. Here is the full quote: "The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.” The Special Counsel did not find any link of the Trump Campaign colluding with Russia. Aviartm (talk) 20:20, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

That's using WP:OR to change "conspired or coordinated" into "colluded", which isn't a legal term, just a buzzword. ^Falling_Gravity 20:53, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

There is no need to play semantics when either of those words convey the message effectively. Since, "conspire" is a synonym to "collude". Aviartm (talk) 21:12, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

I think we should prioritize legal terms over buzzwords. This is an encyclopedia, not a political blog. ^Falling_Gravity 21:33, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Playing semantics in this regard I find counterproductive. The integrity of the message is not compromised to begin with. And if using "collusion" is such an issue, we better start taking on Donald Trump, Special Counsel investigation (2017–2019), Dismissal of James Comey, Trump-Russia Investigation, Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, because these pages use collusion much more often than conspire(d) or coordinate(d). The importance that should matter is whether the message is getting articulated in a fashion of Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:Reliable sources, which the Current Blurb does greatly. Aviartm (talk) 21:53, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how many times these articles mention "collusion". What matters is that the official report says "conspired" and "coordinated", and it does not (as far as we know) say "collusion". This is backed up by multiple WP:RS. ^Falling_Gravity 22:56, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• REPEAT there is currently scant consensus to even post this at all, let alone in its current state. Please, this isn't Brexit, remove the story until a consensus can form around what to post and whether to actually post it. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:22, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

The Rambling Man There has been 13 Supports in any fashion of the ITN being posted and only 4 Opposed. Even include the 3 Pulls and that is only 7. Essentially twice as many people support it being posted. Please stop Wikipedia:FILIBUSTER. Aviartm (talk) 21:53, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

TRM, I am sincerely having a hard time understanding what "Please, this isn't Brexit..." is supposed to mean.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:49, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

It means that just because someone posted it, it doesn't mean we have to go through with it, no matter how stupid it is. It's highly embarrassing that this blurb has been allowed to stand during all these adjustments, and despite there being no clear consensus for any proposed blurb. And that's not filibustering, obviously, because the item has already been posted. Please. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:17, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support as is. Wording is accurate and neutral, story is very significant. Nice4What (talk) 22:59, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support current version. The wording works and it is a significant story in the news. ZettaComposer (talk) 23:47, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment I want to simply reaffirm my continued support for this blurb. In most cases, prosecutorial declinations are not ITN-worthy. This is not the case here. This is a major international story drawing comments and responses from leaders in several regions of the world. The current blurb is a neutral summary of the consensus among the overwhelming majority of the RS. Everything else reeks of IDONTLIKEIT. This issue has been raised and consider by many admins, here and at ERRORS. Their inaction could be interpreted as Silence and consensus. I ask anyone reading this to add their Support/Oppose !votes to close this discussion so we can move on.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:49, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• {{u|Coffeeandcrumbs) Thank you Coffee for your position on the matter. I agree with you 100%. Ad Orientem was the first to discuss about IDONTLIKEIT and it drove him to leave the conversation, which I think should not happen. The Current Blurb is the best one in accordance to current news and the conclusion synopsis by the DOJ. If this is what the DOJ finds and concludes, then that is what we will publish here like we did. I Support closing the discussion. This circus has gone long enough. Aviartm (talk) 00:30, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

I made a minor change to the wording in response to main-page errors but am in no way qualified to judge the wider issue. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:25, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment I have stricken my support, as I no longer feel the current blurb captures the situation without bias, after reading the opinion expressed by an editor above that the current blurb is neutral and impartial while the other suggestions are not. This is clearly incorrect; the current blurb asserts that Barr's summary accurately represents Mueller's findings, while blurb 4 makes no such assertion. Therefore, I support one of three things:

1. Adding an attribution (e.g., "according to U.S. Attorney General William Barr") to the current blurb

2. Alt blurb 4

3. Ongoing

Of these three, I prefer alt blurb 4. Apologies for clarifying my support so late; I initially added my support when the pertinent question was whether the story is significant enough, not which blurb to use. Davey2116 (talk) 23:58, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Davey2116 Sounds like you are talking about me and that's alright. The Current Blurb is neutral and impartial because the Current Blurb is entirely dependent on the findings of the DOJ. How is this bias? Can you please explain how using the official government's conclusions for the Current Blurb is bias? Because it would be nefarious to come up with our own conclusions to fit some narrative that we think the DOJ got wrong. It is not Wikipedia nor its participants space to conclude what the Department of Justice concludes. Aviartm (talk) 00:30, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• I already did. The current blurb is asserting that Barr is accurately representing Mueller's findings. Alt blurb 4 is not making any determination on whether Barr is or is not, and neither does the article. Many RS do not state definitively that Barr is accurately representing Mueller. So I think we should go with alt blurb 4, or add an attribution to Barr to the blurb. Davey2116 (talk) 00:44, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Davey2116 To clear up the confusion for you, this is what the letter says. If the Department of Justice, which the Special Counsel is/was part of, finds that Trump did not collude with Russia (As it states here: The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities...the evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference." <----- This is Barr's words and Mueller's words on the matter. On Obstruction of Justice, " After making a “thorough factual investigation” into these matters, the Special Counsel considered whether to evaluate the conduct under Department standards governing prosecution and declination decisions but ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion - one way or the other – as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction...The Special Counsel's decision to describe the facts of his obstruction investigation without reaching any legal conclusions leaves it to the Attorney General to determine whether the conduct described in the report constitutes a crime...Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense." If the Attorney General concludes on these matters, then these are the matters in which we should put into ITN, which we did. Aviartm (talk) 01:01, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• For the record, I oppose closing this discussion. By my count there are at least twelve !votes against the current blurb, and a similar number in favor; no consensus either way. Davey2116 (talk) 23:58, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• No, there are 14+ Support votes in favor of the uploading of the Blurb. There are only 5 Oppose votes. Add the Pulls, that makes it 8 total votes that in some way oppose the Nomination. I have already rehashed this detail earlier with my conversation with The Rambling Man. Soooo many IDONTLIKEIT and Wikipedia:FILIBUSTER violations to contort the truth. Aviartm (talk) 00:30, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Then I suggest you count again. I've counted three times and I see 10 supports for the current blurb, and 12 opposing it (either supporting alt blurb 4 or ongoing). I don't see how this is IDONTLIKEIT or FILIBUSTER. I simply want an accurate blurb posted, with consensus, neither of which is demonstrated by the current blurb. Davey2116 (talk) 00:44, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Ok, I will do it a third time. I counted 14 Supports and 5 Opposes. Aviartm (talk) 01:19, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• 5? You must have left out all conditional votes where the condition has not been met, pulls, ongoings, etc. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 02:00, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment. For the record, I'm leaning altblurb4 / ongoing, but I don't feel too strongly about either way anymore. If the lead on that article summarized the results in an actually concise way, I don't think anyone would have a problem with altblurb4. But here is what I counted: Unambiguous Support: 7, Conditional Support (opposing specific blurbs / supporting only specific blurbs / some mix of specific blurbs / ongoing / pull): 8, Ongoing: 3, Oppose: 5. -- Ununseti (talk) 01:31, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

WP:Too many altblurbs! -- Ununseti (talk) 01:38, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Ununseti Thank you for your inquiry. The Current Blurb suffices the current public knowings of the special counsel's findings. Since we already have Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:NPOV, as the Current Blurb is 100% dependent on the four-page letter sent to Congress yesterday, the Current Blurb suffices. Every news outlet has reported the facts in the Current Blurb. Aviartm (talk) 01:45, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

To elaborate on my initial impressions, when I first saw this blurb earlier today, it just seemed hilariously long. 'America-centric much?' I thought. But I've been staring at this for too long and I just have no idea how long sentences are supposed to be anymore... I still would prefer a change to altblurb4, but I'm neutral about the current blurb now (which I note isn't actually any of the like 7 currently proposed altblurbs). I don't contest its correctness or neutrality, I just thought it seemed like a bit much to stuff into a blurb. But I think it's gotten slightly shorter since I last looked at it this morning. Or I'm just hallucinating. -- Ununseti (talk) 02:12, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Ununseti Thank you for clarifying. It is long for a ITN item. The longest I have actually ever seen one. And about it becoming "shorter" I think it did. If you click here, to the ERRORS discussion about the Current Blurb, appears that one of the mods made a slight adjustment but I too am not totally for sure. Would have to check the History edits to see for sure. Check between when Stephen posted and see if there was a slight adjustment. I think the Current Blurb is fine as it encapsulates the 2 most important details of the synopsis: no collusion was found and a non-conclusion on obstruction of justice. Aviartm (talk) 02:27, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• The !votes against the blurb as-is do seem to be the majority. Though Wikipedia is not a vote, and polling is not a substitute for discussion, I don't think there's a consensus for the blurb. This is the longest thread I've seen on ITN since the McCain death, and that discussion had a 2:1 support:oppose ratio. As it becomes increasingly unlikely that we'll reach a consensus on which altblurb to use, or whether or not to post a blurb at all, and certainly no consensus for the specific blurb that's currently posted, I think it's time to pull and close. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 02:00, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• BrendonTheWizard There are a lot of Supports but for other Blurbs but I counted at least 9 Supports for the Current Blurb. And there is only 4 Opposes. I think since there is so many Supports for slight variants of the Blurb, I think the Current Blurb will stand. I do also agree that it will be difficult to achieve a "definite" consensus but I think the time for that has passed so the Current Blurb won't be changed most likely. Aviartm (talk) 02:27, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Only 4 opposes? What? How did you come up with an even smaller number than the last time you counted? You're not counting pulls (which advocate taking it off), ongoings (which advocate taking it off and listing it as ongoing instead), altblurb requests (which advocate replacing the blurb with a better one), etc.
  
  Let's see where individuals stand so we don't accidentally count any !votes twice or forget anyone (which I probably did):
  Support Altblurb2 (current): 1. Ad Orientem 2. Aviartm 3. Capitalistroadster 4. SusanLesch 5. Nice4What 6. ZettaComposer 7. Hrodvarsson
  Ongoing: 1. Davey2116 2. Muboshgu 3. Sca 4. Ununseti
  Oppose: 1. Masem 2. Juxlos 3. Nilhus
  Pull:1. GreatCaesarsGhost, 2. TheRamblingMan, 3. WaitClip, 4. (myself)
  Modify or replace the blurb: 1. Laserlegs 2. Wumbolo 3. Falling Gravity 4. Gamaliel
  Total in favor of leaving it as-is: 7,
  Total in favor of removing the blurb: 11,
  Total against the as-is version: 15
  At the very least, someone ought to replace the blurb immediately, barely anyone still supports the current state, but the opposition to it being on the page at all is still overwhelming. It should be pulled and this discussion should be closed so we can move on. A consensus has not developed to post. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 03:39, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

I support the current and altblurb4. Also there is a simultaneous discussion occurring at WP:ERRORS. A numbers game is not going to solve this.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 04:27, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Post-posting support A conclusion to a long-running and high-profile investigation. Headline news. Hrodvarsson (talk) 02:39, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment: Shouldn't this say …allegations of obstruction of justice instead of allegations of obstructed justice? —Hugh (talk) 03:12, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Hl That would work but the Current Blurb conveys the best. And people are already griping and questioning the Current Blurb's length. So I think it is best to keep the Current Blurb the way it is but I would have no issue if it got changed for this slight modification. Aviartm (talk) 03:17, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment: WaPo has an article on Barr's letter that's of interest to this discussion. The article notes that "collusion" is a meaningless term from a legal perspective, which is why the letter mentioned conspiracy and coordination. Also:

When a prosecutor says “the investigation did not establish” an offense, that is not to say the crime wasn’t committed or that there was not evidence supporting it. It means that there was not sufficient proof of conspiracy or coordination to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

Based on this article I think we should change the poorly crafted Current Blurb wording to some variation "establish conspiracy" or "establish conspiracy or coordination", which is less ambiguous than the current "find collusion". ^Falling_Gravity 04:35, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment still no consensus for this blurb. Getting beyond stupid now. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:18, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Pulled for lack of consensus. Looking at the conversation above, there is too much opposition to having this in ITN at the moment.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:07, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Repost I don't see good reasons to oppose this. One could argue that the blurb is inaccurate, and that's fine, but that doesn't mean this should be pulled. In the meantime the oppose reasons seem mostly to be based on "we can't trust these conclusions" which comes down to personal opinion. I'd point out that a decade ago, there was another group of people who said "we can't trust Barrack Obama's birth certificate, give us the full version!" which sounds disturbingly similar. Absent strong reasons to believe otherwise, one must believe what's in authoritative sources, and while it's conceivable that Barr's summary isn't a fair summary, it's still what we've got. Banedon (talk) 11:49, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Barr had expressed opposition to the investigation before being given the Attorney General job, that is plenty of reason to not accept his conclusions about the investigation at face value, without seeing the report itself. 331dot (talk) 12:07, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Repost consensus to post was obvious, this is IDONTLIKEIT writ large. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:05, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Endorse the pull. I don't see a consensus one way or the other as of right now. 331dot (talk) 12:08, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment this is always the problem when we've got a big news story, but full information isn't in the public domain. There's obviously consensus to post something here, but perhaps it simply needs to be very neutral, i.e. that Barr has sent the report to Congress, without the semantics on what it actually says - until things are clearer. Black Kite (talk) 12:16, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Repost. This story will always be contested, but it is without a doubt major news and the blurb was the most neutral wording. I hope to see this story back on ITN. Nice4What (talk) 12:29, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Repost. Major news story. There was consensus to post at the time of first posting. 4 opposes by one person (TRM, no offense intended) shouldn't govern this decision. Alt blurb 4 is easy and less controversial. There's no future event on the horizon when posting would make more sense. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:09, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Repost with Altblurb 4 per SusanLesch and Hrodvarsson. I know getting the exact wording is problematic, but it belongs on the main page in one form or another, even if it's just "Robert Mueller submits his report to the Justice Dept" pbp 14:25, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose reposting until a clear consensus on an factually accurate and NPOV blurb has been achieved. Can't believe it took this long to remove given the clear and obvious lack of consensus. Systemic bias at its finest. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:30, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Dude, you've made 3-4 bold bulleted comments in the past couple of days. We get it. You were warned yesterday about trying to talk this to death. Consider yourself warned again. pbp 15:45, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm afraid, as always, your warning carries precisely zero weight with me. Good luck! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:36, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment With all due respect the fact that those who supported posting wish to repost doesn't change whether or not there was consensus from the discussion. There are far too many question marks raised above, including amongst ITN regulars, for this to have stayed posted. I've often said that ITN doesn't have robust enough criteria for assessing particular stories, and it's something I'd like to see improved, but that's the way it is. Even items that feature in all the newspapers around the world sometimes don't make it due to not satisfying the encyclopedic requirements. If a number of new voices come in with firm support for reposting or those in dispute can coalesce around a particular way forward then it can be reposted, but for now this has probably run its course. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 14:31, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Amateurish, dilettantish, unprofessional and embarrassing. Our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty irrelevance. – Sca (talk) 15:30, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

PS: At more than 8,000 words, this brouhaha may be a new record for ITN/C blather. – Sca (talk) 16:19, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

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• Repost the original. Several of the original Oppose votes were weak at best. Not trusting the DOJ's conclusions, House Democrats still investigating that somehow "contests" the DOJ's findings and somehow impedes us from posting what the DOJ found?, among other things. And the Pulls reeked of Wikipedia:IDONTLIKEIT.

So, I think what is best is to go back to the original posted Blurb and if anyone has a gripe about it, post below as normal and go from there.

"The U.S. Special Counsel investigation, headed by Robert Mueller (pictured), does not find collusion between President Donald Trump's election campaign and Russian election interference, and does not reach a conclusion regarding allegations of obstructed justice." Aviartm (talk) 15:20, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• I endorse the pull (though I think all of these endorse vs repost comments, including this one I am posting, are redundancies of our original !votes and do not affect the consensus). I truly mean no ill will towards any of the users that wanted this posted; I just don't think that ITN has a chance at agreeing on whether to post the original, post the concise altblurb IV, move it to Ongoing instead of posting a blurb at all, not post a blurb at all, etc. I support the pull not because I think the story lacks significance (it doesn't), and not because I think the article is in too bad of a shape (it isn't), but because I don't believe there is (or will be) any solid consensus for any option. Even if we were to repost as Altblurb IV, which I personally endorsed, I foresee still many objections both from the users that prefer the original and users that preferred to post to ongoing. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 16:37, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• REPEAT There was strong, obvious consensus to post this item with the blurb, and no consensus for a changed blurb. That in no way justifies a pull. This should be returned to the main page immediately. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:11, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

  Well I read this whole exchange, plus the one at ERRORS and there's clearly no obvious consensus on a blurb yet, and borderline consensus on the thing being posted in the first place. We shouldn't be using the main page as a sandbox where we keep tinkering with an obese blurb that has little agreement. Do that here, get a consensus for the blurb, then by all means opt for re-posting. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:15, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

  • There was consensus at the time it was posted, and disagreement since then on the wording of the blurb but I don't see how that equates to a pull. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:45, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

    • It's straightforward enough - the blurb that was posted has had vehement disagreement over the wording, both in terms of fact and POV, so until that gets resolved, it should remain off the main page. In the meantime, plenty of others have opined that they don't even really deem the story to be of real significance. Either way, or both ways, like Brexit, consensus has changed, but unlike Brexit, we don't have to plough on with dubious material on the mainpage. We can pull it, discuss it, gather a consensus on a blurb, and then re-post it. Simples (as Terry May would say). The Rambling Man (talk) 17:52, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• The Rambling Man At the time, the Oppose votes were about inconsequential things to the Special Counsel's findings. There were legitimate objections but the contemporary Support votes outweighed those that opposed, that is why it was posted in the first place. Then as time went on as the Blurb was up, the Pulls and Opposes were heavily violating Wikipedia:IDONTLIKEIT with little groundings of legitimate concern, aggregately. Then Supports for the Current Blurb at the time came in from some people. Then some people voted Pull for "lack of consensus", yet some Admin or Admins concluded that there was enough consensus for it to be posted. So where we are now is because changes were not made to please the Wikipedia:IDONTLIKEIT people and then other people found that since no changes, or very few came to fruition, they objected for a pull. This is the current state of affairs. Even after my comment about starting over with the previously posted Blurb, not a single person has said anything about it whether it is wrong or not. This inaction alone can be interpreted as that the Blurb was fine to begin with. If we want to reach a consensus with the people participating, the Blurb needs to be changed or we will be going back to Step 3 of "no clear consensus reached due to no substantial changes done to please the Wikipedia:IDONTLIKEIT people." Aviartm (talk) 18:50, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• We are where we are. You need to get a consensus to post a factual and NPOV blurb. Sorry if you don't like the way it's gone, but that's life. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:15, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Not saying what is needed is bad or flawed, it should be that way. But the amount of Wikipedia:IDONTLIKEIT which caused others to conclude that since changes were not happening, "no consensus" is just a bad way. There was more griping than consensing either way you voted. Aviartm (talk) 21:22, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Close and replace the blurb with a poor quality article about European copyright law. The consensus was established, has been summarized time and again, and doesn't matter. We all know this one won't be going back up. May it rest in peace. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:19, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

  It might go back up if people proposed a blurb and sought consensus for it. Your (once again) pointed comment is unhelpful, the consensus to post the original blurb may have existed, but times changed that and it was deemed unsuitable. I'm sorry you are so sad about it. If it was me, I'd look to find a new blurb if I cared as much as you seem to do. But yes, if no-one is prepared to do that, close it out as a non-event. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:22, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

  TRM, it's been discussed to death, everyone who wanted to pitch a blurb (I've suggested one, it went nowhere) has done so, it's finished. Disagreement over a blurb is grounds to pull, so that's a known feature now. This is a sincere suggestion to just close this and move on. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:26, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

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• There was nothing wrong or notably POV in:

"The Special Counsel investigation does not find collusion between President Donald Trump's election campaign and Russian election interference, and does not reach a conclusion regarding allegations of obstructed justice."

Thus, there was no egregious error or slant that warranted pulling this sober, even-handed blurb. Nice going, guys. – Sca (talk) 21:15, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

ScaI know, right? Aviartm (talk) 21:37, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment Before we close, we should acknowledge that no option gained a consensus here because there were too many options to choose from: the posted blurb, alt blurb 4, some other blurb, ongoing, and not posting. (For instance, I am fine with the middle three options myself.) So, inspired by the Brexit indicative votes, I suggest that we let folks !vote again by approval (i.e., people list all options they approve of) and act on the option, if any, which is approved of by a consensus. Davey2116 (talk) 21:06, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Davey2116 I proposed to kickstart conversations by using the Blurb that was posted and not a single person responded to my request. So if you want to continue, you will see my message about it. Aviartm (talk) 21:22, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Why should we consider only the posted blurb and not all the options? If we just repeat the !votes on the posted blurb, we're not going to have a consensus to post it. I would like to see something posted. Davey2116 (talk) 21:26, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Question Is it possible to restart this discussion with the new proposed blurb? Please? The decision to pull is a great disservice to the people who for two years maintained excellent articles on Mueller's investigation and the Russian intrusion. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:12, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

It is possible if it reaches all of the requirements. Aviartm (talk) 21:22, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• I have reposted, using altblurb number four, because I believe it adequately summarizes the main point - it's over - and eliminates the need to succinctly and impartially present the results of the report, which requires a level of nuance that is hard to achieve in blurb format. I trust this makes everyone happy, and we can put this matter to rest. --Bongwarrior (talk) 21:32, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

As so many people complained earlier and probably will too now, no consensus was reached for this Blurb to be posted. And the Blurb was that originally posted cover the two concluding findings of the report best we could. Aviartm (talk) 21:37, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

The current blurb shouldn't be set in stone. It can be hard to find agreement when there are a lot of blurb options, and personally I don't think I had an issue with the version that was pulled. But simple works too, sometimes. --Bongwarrior (talk) 21:49, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Of course but we should include the 2 simple details that was concluded in the report. It is not that hard but I do agree the time for that has passed... Aviartm (talk) 22:04, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment thank you Bongwarrior for some common sense here. Much appreciated. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:11, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

The Rambling Man Just saying but you were one of the largest proponents of "no consensus reached". Aviartm (talk) 23:02, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Just saying?? Seriously. If I need to repeat myself a sixth time, no consensus for the blurb that was posted, barely a consensus for it to posted at all. I asked for a NPOV factual blurb, and that's what we have. Just saying. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:13, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Well, according to the Admins, there was a consensus, that is why it was posted to begin with. Yes, the Current Blurb is a NPOV factual Blurb but so was the one originally posted. Aviartm (talk) 23:28, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Sure thing, whatever you say. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:30, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

A perfectly reasonable compromise has been reached.There is no reason to rehash these arguments and vent your frustrations with the process. Administrators post and pull according to consensus; there was no shortage of objections after the initial posting, and the user that pulled it from the main page was also an administrator. That's in the past now; this story is back on the main page, albeit with a more concise and less disputed blurb. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 23:40, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

I greatly appreciate that Altblurb IV was the selected blurb when reposting. As it was the most popular of the proposed replacement blurbs, this is a perfectly reasonable compromise between having a blurb & not having the previous one. This altblurb contains nothing that could conceivably be viewed as problematic. I think we can finally put to rest what may have been a record for the most heavily discussed ITN blurb, and all peacefully move on to other stories. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 23:40, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment This compromise solution is agreeable to the vast majority here; it posts something (thus giving a link to an excellent article on the investigation), while avoiding the NPOV concerns raised by many here. Thank you to Bongwarrior, and all involved; hopefully we can get it done in fewer than 10,000 words next time. Davey2116 (talk) 00:34, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. Great fact too. Had to check myself! Bonkers! Aviartm (talk) 02:05, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment No issues here with the reposted blurb. The original one was a bit long after some more thought. ZettaComposer (talk) 09:28, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment. Excellent short and informative blurb. If there are further updates to Trump–Russia e.g. in Congress, that can be posted as well. wumbolo ^^^ 11:31, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

• Post-posting Comment – I object to whoever oversimplified my original Alt1, which I have reinstated above for the record. Proposed blurbs should not be unilaterally modified except in collaboration with the blurb's author. – Sca (talk) 13:50, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

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March 23

Portal:Current events/2019 March 23

March 23, 2019 (2019-03-23) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian Civil War Battle of Baghuz Fawqani The Syrian Democratic Forces announce the capture of the last territory held by ISIL in Syria. (DW) Northern Mali conflict March 2019 attacks against Fulani herders At least 160 Fulani herdsmen are killed in an attack on the villages of Ogossagou and Welingara by Dogon militia in Mali. (Reuters) Somali Civil War In Mogadishu, Somalia, at least five militants set off a car bomb and raid a government building, killing at least five people. Al-Shabaab claim responsibility for the attack. (The New York Times) (The Washington Post) Business and economy The Wall Street Journal reports that former Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling, released from prison in February after serving 12 years for fraud and insider trading following Enron's 2001 collapse, is planning a return to the energy business, helming a "digital platform connecting investors to oil and gas projects". (The Wall Street Journal). Disasters and accidents Rescuers scramble to rescue about 1,300 passengers and crew from the cruise ship Viking Sky adrift off the coast of Norway. (CNN) International relations China–Italy relations Italy signs $2.8 billion in deals with the Belt and Road Initiative. (Reuters) Politics and elections Opposition to Brexit in the United Kingdom Approximately one million Britons assemble for the People's Vote March in London, United Kingdom advocating for an additional referendum on Brexit. (BBC News) (The Guardian)

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(Posted) March 2019 attacks against Fulani herders

Article: March 2019 attacks against Fulani herders (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Dogon militia kill 160 Fulani herders in central Mali. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 160 people are killed in attacks against Fulani herdsmen in central Mali.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Nizil Shah (talk · give credit)
• Created by SamHolt6 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Oranjelo100 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: I am surprised that this event is not even nominated at ITN. A massacre involving 160 deaths is an important event. The article needs expansion and updates but is worth ITN. I request others to improve it. Nizil (talk) 06:18, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support - I actually planned to nominate it myself. This is a big massacre so should be notable enough. Oranjelo100 (talk) 16:18, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Altblurb. The article is still pretty short, but it's over the stub-line and well referenced. I prefer the altblurb because the first suggestion implies something the article does not say. The article says only that local officials have placed the blame on the Dogon hunters, not that they were the ones who carried out the attack. The altblurb is less problematic because there's nothing there which could be in dispute. There are 160 people that were killed. --Jayron32 14:19, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support alt blurb. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:22, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

RD: Rafi Eitan

Article: Rafi Eitan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Israeli intelligence officer and politician, who was instrumental in the capture of Adolf Eichmann, dies at age 92. Article needs lots of work. Davey2116 (talk) 03:57, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - Several paragraphs with a single reference.--SirEdimon (talk) 04:02, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per above, some large paragraphs need to be broken and clearly have citations as there are exceptional claims and the article is still under BLP policy. – Ammarpad (talk) 07:17, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per the above. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:46, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - why nominate an article nowhere near ready to be posted.BabbaQ (talk) 22:12, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• I nominate articles like this one to draw attention to it in the hopes that it is repaired faster. This has worked several times in the past. Davey2116 (talk) 00:38, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

RD: Victor Hochhauser

Article: Victor Hochhauser (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Edwardx (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: He died today, and any RD is assumed to be a suitable ITN candidate. He and his wife Lilian have been called "Britain's foremost independent promoters of classical music and ballet". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edwardx (talk • contribs) 11:06, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• COMMENT – Article is quite stubby. – Sca (talk) 14:16, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment. Currently a poorly referenced stub. The bit I checked was not covered by the source given. Espresso Addict (talk) 20:06, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• Weak oppose basically a stub, what's there is fine, but it doesn't feel enough to justify the "Britain's foremost independent promoters of classical music and ballet" tag given the lack of detail in the article... The Rambling Man (talk) 16:50, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) MV Viking Sky

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Article: MV Viking Sky (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ More than 1,300 passengers and crew are evacuted from the cruise ship Viking Sky (pictured), which suffered an engine failure off the coast of Norway. (Post)
News source(s): (De Telegraaf) Template:Nl, BBC, AP, Reuters, Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)
• Updated by BIL (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Breaking atm, not all passengers rescued yet, but expected to be. Blurb can be altered if situation changes but this could be a good news story to put on MP for a change. Mjroots (talk) 17:36, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose The engines stalled and while there was a potential threat of it running into some rocks, they have it at stablized. It is not sinking or in danger of that, but its also not going anywhere fast for a while. Evacuating a stalled ship is not ITN worthy. (Add that there is no update on the target article). --Masem (t) 20:19, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Evacuation continuing all night, article is updated to state this. Mjroots (talk) 20:53, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment – AP, Reuters describe evacuation of some passengers, of whom there are more than 1,000, by helicopter in stormy weather. Seems quite dramatic. – Sca (talk) 21:59, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose The precautionary evacuation of a ship at sea is not really something that warrants a blurb. Yes, there are some maritime incidents that should, or would have, merited attention from ITN. But not this. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:57, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Weak support the disabling and evacuation of a modern ship with 1300 PAX on it isn't exactly routine -- CCL Triumph was stranded at sea 5 or 6 years ago I don't know if there was another one since. The operator has 11 more orders of identical hulls being built by Fincantieri. Y'all let me know how this is somehow more routine than people being killed by tropical storms in under-developed tropical countries. Outside the incident, the article is really thin, some could be ported from MV Viking Star since they're identical hulls (or really a spinoff article is needed for the class). All-in an interesting and dramatic story. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:05, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Wait – Developing. Potentially a top int'l. story. Sca (talk) 23:54, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. It is good news for the passengers evacuated but doesn't cut the mustard as an ITN story. If a major ocean liner sank, that would be an ITN story providing the article was up to scratch. Capitalistroadster (talk) 01:13, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose It looks to me like the blurb could ultimately say "Ship doesn't sink. Nobody hurt". HiLo48 (talk) 02:54, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment It looks like some passengers were injured by furniture and debris due to the rough waves, and about 300 have been evacuated by helicopter. The rest are just sat there waiting for another boat. Not sure where I stand, but it's certainly big in the news. Kingsif (talk) 08:00, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose might make a suitable quirky story for another part of the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:54, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Withdraw support – All the opposes notwithstanding, this is still the No. 1 story, and for good reason: A 47,000-ton cruise ship with nearly 1,000 people still on board is under tow in stormy seas. It may all end well, but still we can't ignore this high drama. – Sca (talk) 14:25, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Now arrived safely in port. Boat will be repaired, everyone fine. Drama but also Oppose this isn't a major impact on anything. Oh no, there was a really bad storm but everything is fine. Kingsif (talk) 16:05, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Well, it was a whale of a story while it lasted. – Sca (talk) 17:01, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) Battle of Baghuz Fawqani

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Article: Battle of Baghuz Fawqani (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant loses all of its territory in Syria following its defeat by the Syrian Democratic Forces and the US-led coalition. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant loses all of its territory in Syria following its defeat by the Syrian Democratic Forces, US, France, and UK.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Syrian Democratic Forces, supported by the U.S., France and the UK, defeat and capture the last territories controlled by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant in Syria.
News source(s): DW BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Nice4What (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: 'Caliphate' being territorially defeated after 5 years is major news. Readding this nomination. Also, remove item from ongoing. Nice4What (talk) 15:16, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support - I think this is pretty conclusive. WaltCip (talk) 15:27, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Weak Support - Unlike Waltcip above, I don't think this is pretty conclusive, since IS has already largely transformed itself into a guerrilla force quite some time ago, and will probably be around as such for quite some time to come. But it does mark at least the symbolic end of one particular phase of the conflict, and, incidentally, also seems likely to have some practical consequences, especially on the coalition side (possible withdrawal of at least some Western troops, possible reanimation of conflicts involving Kurds, Shias, Syrians, Turks, Russians, etc), even if it would be WP:CRYSTAL to try to predict precisely what those consequences might be (tho it would also be WP:CRYSTAL to oppose it on the basis of some claim that it is unlikely to have any significant consequences, which is why I'm mentioning some such possible consequences here). Tlhslobus (talk) 16:01, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support The ISIL's defeat in Syria was recently announced by the US, as I remember. Brandmeister^talk   19:47, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support clearly newsworthy and important. Very good article quality and comprehensiveness, and properly updated. The battle wasn't in Ongoing for nothing – ISIS is gone 🦀 🇸🇾. wumbolo ^^^ 20:12, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support per above. Clearly notable, and article is of excellent quality. Davey2116 (talk) 20:19, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Question is it "over"? Has ISIL surrendered and accepted defeat? A peace treaty signed? Unicorns and flowers blooming in Syria? We're not going to have another "very important final battle against ISIL in Syria" in some other bombed out city stuck in the box for a month? Trump announced ISIL is 100% defeated in Syria but that guy isn't exactly trustworthy. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:37, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Are you opposing, @LaserLegs:? Espresso Addict (talk) 22:53, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• I'm asking a question, is this really done? --LaserLegs (talk) 22:58, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Declared done by the SDF and the coalition. Nice4What (talk) 23:13, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Ambivalent re blurb, but totally oppose both alternative blurbs.There were 30 countries involved, not just "The Syrian Democratic Forces, supported by the U.S., France and the UK,.... ". Moriori (talk) 23:16, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support The article is long and well referenced, but irrelevant factoids like "One YPG commander stated that some desperate ISIL militants would resort to wearing women's clothing when fleeing." or "civilian truck drivers said 18 foreigners were among the dozens of civilians fleeing with them" but that doesn't really matter. The good news is we'll never post another ISIL bombing or shooting in Syria because this is 'the decisive, "final battle" against the Islamic State'. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:25, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Whose law is it that says you need a smiley to let people know you're being ironic online? The alternative possibility that you have just mindlessly swallowed some piece of fake news just seems too ghastly to contemplate Tlhslobus (talk) 03:53, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support blurb According to this Al Jazeera segment with a discussion among regional scholars, this does indeed mean the end of ISIL as a territorial entity even if it may not mean the end of the organization's ideology and existence online.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 01:18, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:49, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

@King of Hearts: We usually do not post maps per Wikipedia:In the news#Pictures.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:20, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

If you are tired of the former dictatorpresident, may I suggest a photo of Karen Uhlenbeck who never got her true day in the sun.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:23, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Replaced with an SDF fighter. Sad we didn't get to feature her, but at this point she's the last item on the list and it's a bit too late for that. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:48, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment The blurb is misleading. ISIL lost all of their territory as a result of defeats inflicted by the Russia-led and the US-led forces separately. The fact that the final defeat was in the Battle of Baghuz Fawqani does not credit only the US-led forces for the overall victory, which is unfortunately indicated in the current wording of the posted blurb. So, either the blurb will focus on the defeat in the Battle of Baghuz Fawqani, which is not even mentioned explicitly, and only consequentially mention ISIL's ultimate defeat or the part with the allied belligerents will be removed to make the blurb clear and neutral. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:03, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• Misleading? Is this a joke..? Simply change it to "The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant loses all of its territory in Syria following its defeat at Baghuz Fawqani by the Syrian Democratic Forces and the US-led coalition." if it's that much of an issue. Rather do that than list every belligerent who has fought against ISIL. Nice4What (talk) 13:27, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• Yes, it's an issue and I proposed two solutions. I'm not an administrator to make the change myself.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:41, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• @Nice4What: Translated into a better blurb, I prefer a simple one like "The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant lose all of their territory in Syria following their defeat in the Battle of Baghuz Fawqani.".--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:55, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• No, we cannot bold link to an article not vetted by this project.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 16:01, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

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March 22

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March 22, 2019 (2019-03-22) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Boko Haram insurgency In the town of Dangdala, Chad, 23 National Army soldiers are killed in an overnight attack by Boko Haram militants. (Reuters) Business and economy Global investment management company BlackRock says that it is buying eFront, the leading provider of management software for alternative investments, for $1.3 billion in cash. (MarketWatch) Disasters and accidents Two buses collide head-on in a village near Kintampo, Ghana, killing at least 50 people. Almost all casualties are a result of a fire on one of the buses. (BBC News) (GhanaWeb) 2018–19 Australian region cyclone season Thousands have been forced to evacuate their homes as two potentially devastating cyclones are expected to hit the country this weekend. Cyclone Trevor will make landfall in the north near Numbulwar and Borroloola, while Cyclone Veronica, a Category 4 storm, will strike Pilbara on Australia's west coast. (BBC News) 2019 Yancheng chemical plant explosion Officials report the death toll is now 62 from Thursday's chemical plant explosion in Chenjiagang Industrial Park in northeastern Jiangsu Province, with 94 others seriously injured and 28 people still missing. (BBC News) (The Straits Times) International relations North Korea–United States relations, China–United States relations U.S. President Donald Trump removes sanctions targeting North Korea that were imposed Thursday by the Treasury Department on two Chinese companies. (Fox News) The Inter-American Development Bank, Latin America’s largest development lender, cancels its scheduled annual 48-country meeting next week following China's refusal to allow a representative of Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaidó to attend what would have been the first IADB meeting held in China. (Reuters) Law and crime Zaoyang car attack A man is shot dead in the city of Zaoyang, China, after ramming his vehicle into a crowd of pedestrians, killing at least six and injuring seven others. (MSN) Special Counsel investigation, Links between Trump associates and Russian officials Special Counsel Robert Mueller delivers a report on his inquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 elections to Attorney General William Barr, who is expected to summarize the findings for congressional lawmakers in the coming days. (CBS News) (ABC News) (NBC News) (CNN) Politics and elections 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis More than 24 hours after the Bolivarian Intelligence Service (SEBIN) detain attorney Roberto Marrero—Juan Guaidó's chief of staff—there has been no contact with him and lawmakers are denied access to him at El Helicoide. (Tal Cual Digital) Just hours after Marrero's detention, the United States Department of the Treasury responds by placing sanctions on BANDES, the Venezuelan Economic and Social Development Bank and four of its subsidiaries. (France 24)) 2019 Algerian protests Hundreds of thousands of Algerians again rally, this week in heavy rain and cold weather, against President Abdelaziz Bouteflika demanding his immediate resignation. Bouteflika is fighting for his political survival in the face of unrelenting protests and the desertion of long-time allies. (Reuters) Sports The English Football League is to deduct Birmingham City F.C. nine points for breaching profitability and sustainability rules. Birmingham City are the first club to be deducted points since the EFL introduced its new profitability and sustainability regulations in 2016. (BBC Sport)

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RD: Frans Andriessen

Article: Frans Andriessen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

• Nominated by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Wholly inadequate but perhaps there are Dutchophiles out there that may help. The subject seems like a highly notable figure. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:57, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose stub. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:19, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Special Counsel investigation

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Article: Special Counsel investigation (2017–2019) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Robert Mueller concludes his Special Counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 United States presidential election. (Post)
News source(s): CNBC, New York Times

Nominator's comments: Robert Mueller concluded his Special Counsel investigation and gave the final report to U.S. Attorney General William Barr. Aviartm (talk) 22:10, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose simply, in one word...: so? The Rambling Man (talk) 22:15, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose It's concluded but we have no idea what it says and what actions will happen. I would think that when the report's conclusions are given out, that's a blurb, but not the mere conclusion. --Masem (t) 22:17, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Wait until the results are disclosed, which could happen within the next few days. Spengouli (talk) 22:19, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. Significance is unclear. This nomination, while expected, is premature. I suggest withdrawing pending developments. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:30, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Wait What are the results? Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 22:44, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Ongoing as it has been for two years, getting regular updates and certainly "in the news" lets just pop this down into ongoing like another zombie link that'll never come out. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:49, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

  Nah, too pointy that. There are no other "zombie link"s which will never come out. This, on the other hand, may have no more detail ever to be released. So it's utterly pointless. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:00, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose no details yet, wait. --Bohbye (talk) 23:04, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment The details are here. Count Iblis (talk) 01:07, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

You seem to have forgotten to put a after your comment. Tlhslobus (talk) 01:24, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Comment The details are here. Davey2116 (talk) 01:34, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Wait The Attorney General is reportedly expected to release a summary for Congressional leaders over the weekend or early next week, which is then reportedly expected to promptly become public knowledge, so we can probably wait until then (on the other hand much of the detail may never be released). Tlhslobus (talk) 01:31, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Wait Seems like more details are to come over the weekend, and this is definitely the leading story on most RS so it's definitely already getting the requisite coverage for ITN. I wouldn't oppose putting this in ongoing now, but I think we should wait. Davey2116 (talk) 01:34, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - The longest headline seen on ITN. Yup just wanted to say that. Sherenk1 (talk) 02:24, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose The blurb made assumption that everyone is aware of or following the now concluded investigation. Also it's said to be concluded, but we don't know what is in the conclusion or what will happen after the 'conclusion'. – Ammarpad (talk)
• Oppose – In the U.S. speculation is rife over the contents of the report, but until it's released its delivery to the attorney general is of scant import. Sca (talk) 14:05, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Perhaps when there is something to report instead of "something done". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.161.250 (talk) 14:17, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Closed) Ongoing removal Brexit negotiations

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Article: Brexit negotiations (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: EU granted an extension, April 12th maybe else end of May. The extension itself might be a good thing to blurb and pop this out of the ongoing box as there is nothing but British legislative maneuvering for the next few weeks. LaserLegs (talk) 16:56, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose there will need to be votes in the House of Commons imminently to agree to May's deal in order to secure any extension. This is live news and ongoing, and there seems to be absolutely no good reason at all to remove it from Ongoing as it impacts hundreds of millions of people, just not in the US directly. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:53, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Commons has to vote on it before April 12 so this is "ongoing" while May fakes her vote twice and loses again? Brexit impacts the UK, the EU and the entire world .. but it's going dark until MV3 (or lack thereof) finally sets a Brexit date. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:01, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
    • Yes, and that vote will take place next week, so it's hardly "going dark". Deary me. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:02, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
      • Are we just leaving this in until it happens, or it's postponed indefinitely? If so, fine, I'll stop asking. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:03, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
        • There will be plenty of time to revisit that question soon, but now is definitely the wrong time.Tlhslobus (talk) 18:08, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
          • Ok I'll drop it. FWIW I want to see this as blurbs, not buried as ongoing. I'm not challenging the significance of this item in any way. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:12, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
            • No problem with that, but if you want a blurb then nominate one.Tlhslobus (talk) 18:19, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
            • This scenario is precisely what Ongoing is all about. The next blurb should be when we finally do leave (or Article 50 is revoked). Until then, everything else is fundamentally incremental yet of high significance. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:00, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per TRM. Tlhslobus (talk) 18:08, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Next week is probably the most important week in this whole complete and utter shambles process. Black Kite (talk) 19:03, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Are the world's currency speculators giddy with excitement? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:21, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose – It ain't over 'til it's over. – Sca (talk) 20:24, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - This saga has become too long to still be in our News. HiLo48 (talk) 01:37, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

What do you mean "our News"? Are you suggesting this is unworthy of ITN for some editorial reason? I don't understand your comment. WaltCip (talk) 02:12, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I am suggesting that. In reality, nothing new is happening. Just a stalemate in a country's parliament. There are many of those around the world. HiLo48 (talk) 02:52, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose until March 29, then revisit. It should remain as long as there is a nonzero chance of crashing out. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:43, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Point of information: Are we talking "nonzero" Celsius, Fahrenheit or Kelvin? – Sca (talk) 14:10, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose as the page is undergoing significant updates and is still in the news. I would even support a blurb about today's Brexit protests [4] if someone created the page.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 17:35, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

  People's Vote march, 2019. Looks like someone did it.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:45, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per TRM.--SirEdimon (talk) 19:03, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Time to Close? (per WP:SNOW and/or no realistic chance of reaching a consensus for removal). Tlhslobus (talk) 03:57, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) 2019 Yancheng chemical plant explosion

Article: 2019 Yancheng chemical plant explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An explosion at a chemical plant in Xiangshui, Jiangsu province, China, kills at least 64 people and injures more than 90 others. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, AP, AFP
Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Created by SamHolt6 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by SamHolt6 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Article just created. Notable deaths. Sherenk1 (talk) 03:02, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose at the moment. Article is a stub. Capitalistroadster (talk) 05:47, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Improve highly significant, but not ready to post just yet. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 13:57, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support – in principle, pending article expansion. AFP puts death toll at 67. – Sca (talk) 16:38, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support – in principle, after expansion. --Leiem (talk) 08:12, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support. I have expanded this a little and I think it now meets the minimum. The death toll is likely to go up with 28 still missing and some of the critically injured expected to die. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:34, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support — article has been expanded (more content, sources, subheadings) and is now more appropriate for ITN. SamHolt6 (talk) 23:39, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support a major industrial accident and mass casualty event. Article is still a bit thin but it is not a stub and appears adequately referenced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:48, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:01, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing removal Cyclone Idai

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Article: Cyclone Idai (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Article says it's dissipated, time to come down. The effects of natural disasters are felt for weeks, months, years -- can't leave them in the ongoing box forever. LaserLegs (talk) 14:29, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support removal. – Sca (talk) 16:38, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

  May I ask why? Noah^Talk 02:05, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose removal. We actually just bumped it to ongoing. This is a currently unfolding humanitarian disaster, likely the deadliest cyclone in the Southern Hemisphere within historical memory. Beira, a large city of more than half a million, has been 90% damaged or destroyed according to IFRC. Some areas have yet to be reached by rescue operations. Over 200 people in Zimbabwe are still missing. This is comparable to the 2000 Mozambique flood, which made international headlines and whose scale remained unknown for weeks. Despite being semi-protected, the article is receiving constant updates, having been edited 30+ time since the last 24 hours. 67.69.69.63 (talk) 17:33, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Not sure why a storm that was already a remnant low got put into the box in the first place, but the storm is over. The impact of Hurricane Maria is still ongoing. Time to move on. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:36, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
    • Hurricane Maria was only edited 4 times in the past week. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 18:50, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
    • CA, you're making the same mistake I made opposing the nom (see below). GreatCaesarsGhost 18:58, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose removal Still undergoing significant updates. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 18:50, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
  • The storm is over --LaserLegs (talk) 18:59, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
    • "The purpose of the ongoing section is to maintain a link to a continuously updated Wikipedia article about a story which is itself also frequently in the news." Italics as found at WP:ITN#Ongoing section.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:24, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment. Still receiving significant updates and still in the news internationally. (A fresh item was on the BBC index page when I got in this evening, despite the Brexit fever we're all suffering over here.) Espresso Addict (talk) 01:28, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment @LaserLegs: The body count is still going up. It has been steadily increasing by about 35-75 per day. Not to mention disease outbreaks of chlorea, dysentary, and malaria are starting. I hardly consider that as over. This has been a major news headline and still continues to be. The article is being updated frequently as well. I see no reason to remove this yet. Noah^Talk 02:00, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose removal Re comparison with Maria: Difference here is that direct effects are still ongoing with floodwaters encompassing hundreds of square miles of land including a city of 200,000 people (readily visible from space). As mentioned by Coffeeandcrumbs, it still meets criteria for WP:ITN ongoing with regular article updates and global news headlines. Would be fine with this being removed once the flooding subsides or if it falls out of major headlines. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 02:12, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Compare this with this.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 05:04, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

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March 21

Portal:Current events/2019 March 21

March 21, 2019 (2019-03-21) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan Six people are killed and 23 others injured in three bomb explosions during Nowruz celebration in Kabul, Afghanistan. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents 2019 Mosul ferry sinking At least 103 people are killed when a Tigris River ferry, carrying families celebrating the Nowruz new year holiday, sinks near the Iraqi city of Mosul. (Al Jazeera) 2019 Yancheng chemical plant explosion A fire and explosion at a chemical plant that makes fertilizer in Yancheng, Jiangsu province, China, kills 47 people and injures 640 others. (BBC News) International relations Israel–United States relations U.S. President Donald Trump announces his intentions to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the disputed Golan Heights, a move welcomed by Israel. (CNN) Syria has not publicly responded to President Trump's decision. Ahmed Aboul Gheit, Secretary-General of the Arab League, declares this action irrelevant and illegal. (The Times of Israel) (Ynet) North Korea–United States relations, China–United States relations The United States sanctions two Chinese shipping companies suspected of helping North Korea evade sanctions. These are the first actions targeting Pyongyang since last month's Hanoi Summit ended without agreement. (Time) Law and crime Operation Car Wash Former President of Brazil Michel Temer is arrested as part of an investigation into corruption. Former Governor of Rio de Janeiro Moreira Franco is also arrested. (BBC News) October 2018 United States mail bombing attempts Cesar Sayoc pleads guilty to 65 felony counts, including using weapons of mass destruction, in last year's attempted mail bomb domestic terrorist attacks. (CNN) Burning Sun scandal Korean pop star Jung Joon-young is arrested over allegations that he shared sexually explicit videos of women filmed without their knowledge or consent. (CNN) Politics and elections Brexit negotiations The European Union confirms that UK Prime Minister Theresa May's requested short extension date of 30 June is too late due to pending EU elections. After lengthy discussions, EU leaders agree that if the Prime Minister's deal is passed next week a short extension until 22 May is available to pass the necessary legislation. If that deal is not passed, the UK is given until 12 April to define whether it will participate in EU elections. (The Guardian) (The Guardian2) Gun laws in New Zealand New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announces a ban of all military-style semi-automatic weapons, assault rifles and high-capacity magazines following the Christchurch mosque shootings. An amnesty is in effect for people who return their guns. (CNN) 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis Venezuela's intelligence unit, the Bolivarian Intelligence Service (SEBIN), detains attorney Roberto Marrero, Juan Guaidó's chief of staff. U.S. Senator Marco Rubio says this is "a significant escalation of repression and could signal the beginning of efforts to arrest Guaidó himself". (Haaretz), (Infobae) Sports Ichiro Suzuki retires from baseball after 28 years following the Seattle Mariners/Oakland Athletics game in the Tokyo Dome. (ESPN)

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(Posted) RD: Mike Cofer (linebacker)

Article: Mike Cofer (linebacker) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

• Nominated by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Appears ready at least superficially. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:57, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support satisfactory. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:22, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support good to go. – Ammarpad (talk) 16:20, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 16:36, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Kazakhstan capital renamed

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Article: Astana (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The capital of Kazakhstan, Astana, is renamed to Nursultan (Post)
News source(s): See article
Credits:

• Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Johndavies837 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Per the nom below about Nursultan's resignation Banedon (talk) 03:35, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

• Question: Should this be a separate nom, or an amendment to the already posted blurb about his resignation (and if the latter, where should it be discussed, given that its omission is not technically an error, and may thus not be accepted at WP:ERRORS)? Tlhslobus (talk) 05:00, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose This is trivial. The renaming of cities is a usual procedure in many countries following the end of a political era and this is not an exception. Also note that this is the fourth renaming of the city since 1961.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:20, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment To everyone commenting how this city has changed names many times before, you do realize they were literally all from when the Russians/Soviets ruled the area, Almaty was the Kazakh capital, and the land that is today the capital was then totally undeveloped, right? The only other time that Astana's name, as the capital of the independent country, changed its name was when "Astana" was established to begin with. Let's put a stop to this flood of uninformed comments. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 12:33, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

• And you do realise that most of the people commenting here know considerably more about the topic than you and are actually aware that Tselinograd was a major showpiece Soviet city (I still remember being bussed around by an unnervingly enthusiastic Intourist guide), not "totally undeveloped", and that if you don't know the most basic facts about the place you're probably not best placed to accuse others of making "uninformed comments"? ‑ Iridescent 12:52, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

• All of the city's iconic landmarks were nonexistent; Kazakhstan rapidly developed the area in the process of building a new capital city. More importantly, Tselinograd was neither the capital nor renamed by Kazakhstan itself. Kazakhstan wasn't even a country in 1961. The comments here make it sound like they just can't stop renaming the capital, but in reality it was only recently that it even became a capital and only recently did Kazakhstan have the ability to call the shots. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 13:18, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

• I think the point is well and truly missed, this isn't really about the status of the city, it's more about the continual name-changing, which isn't commonplace with London or Paris etc. If London had changed its name as frequently as Astana then I guarantee most of us would be voting against it. Just as we are voting against this trivial change. P.S. your signature is a real overhead. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:26, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Trans.: Over the top – ?? – Sca (talk) 14:25, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per Kiril. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:05, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. As Kiril says, this is trivial; particular in post-Soviet states, towns, cities and other administrative districts are renamed all the time, and Akmoly/Akmolinsk/Tselinograd/Akmola/Astana/Nursultan is a particularly extreme example. (Plus, it doesn't take an extreme amount of crystal-ballgazing to guess that in a fairly short time Nursultan's dictatorship will be reappraised and the name will be changed yet again.) ‑ Iridescent 10:26, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

• What are you talking about? The reason why it was renamed was because Nursultan isn't president anymore. To say that "in a fairly short time" the dictatorship will be overthrown entirely is very, very much WP:CRYSTALballing. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 12:35, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support on importance - how often are national capitals renamed? Not very often. But oppose based on the article quality, too many unsourced sections. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 12:07, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

"How often are national capitals renamed?" Apparently, if you check the article of the city in question, it's been renamed at least three or four times within the past 100 years. So for this particular city, quite often.--WaltCip (talk) 12:10, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

You might want to check the dates on when the city was renamed. The city was neither 1) a capital city 2) developed land nor 3) in an independent country. Just because the Soviets couldn't stop playing with the name doesn't mean this is unimportant. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 12:37, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support Renaming a capital city is exactly the notable information an encyclopedia should put on its front page doktorb _words^deeds 12:12, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - Renaming this particular capital city is not notable due to the underlying circumstances.--WaltCip (talk) 12:22, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Just because the Soviets couldn't figure out what to call it doesn't mean that it's unimportant when a sovereign state changes the capital city's name. It's the capital city of a sovereign country, and note that this is the only time that Astana as the capital of independent Kazakhstan was renamed, with the only exception being the establishment of "Astana" as "Astana." Note that the capital used to be Almaty before Astana was built by the independent Kazakhstan. Before the city 90s when the country was sovereign, this area was very undeveloped. If we were talking about any well-known country's capital, whether Washington or Tokyo or London or Beijing, I guarantee that there would be unanimous support. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 12:29, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose quality. Tags added. Even with refs, Geography, Economy and Demographics woefully undersized. Update is a single sentence. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:20, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose on both quality and importance. Name changes are not uncommon, it's not ITN worthy.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:41, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Although it was an entirely different set of circumstances, we have posted locations being renamed on ITN, such as here: Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/February_2019#(Posted)_North_Macedonia and Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/August_2015 (Mount McKinley renaming). Spencer^T•C 15:44, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support per BrendonTheWizard, when article is in shape. Notable story. Most of the !opposes aren't really convincing. Davey2116 (talk) 16:40, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support per BrendonTheWizard and Spencer, in particular stressing this is the only renaming since the move of the capital from Almaty in the 1990s. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 17:11, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Just wanted to point out that I haven't made any comments in support or in opposition to the nomination; was just noting information about previous items on ITN above. Best, Spencer^T•C 21:01, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support on notability, per BrendonTheWizard among others (I'll leave others to judge quality). This is the only time in my lifetime of over 60 years that I can remember being aware of a country renaming its existing capital, tho I suspect there may be other instances of which I was unaware at the time (or have since forgotten), tho I'd have to check (if I knew how to do that). Note that I'm not talking about naming of new capitals (such as Brasilia, Islamabad, perhaps Astana itself) nor of just changing the English translation of an unchanged non-English capital (such as from Peking to Beijing, and possibly from Rangoon to Yangon - tho our article seems ambiguous about its local name in that instance). But even if I'm unaware of some such changes, I'd expect they're pretty rare (and also changes, if any, in tiny states would be less significant than changes in a mid-size state like Kazakhstan). Incidentally, even if quality were to remain an issue, there would still be a case for adding the name-change (presumably without bolding) to our existing blurb about Nursultan Nazarbayev's retirement. Tlhslobus (talk) 17:13, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment: Should all Support !votes (such as mine) be disallowed on grounds that they are obviously violating WP:RGW by secretly trying to treat Kazakhstan with more respect than Sacha Baron Cohen does by posting an item about it, or should all Oppose !votes be disallowed on grounds that they are obviously violating WP:RGW by secretly trying to treat Kazakhstan with more respect than Sacha Baron Cohen does by censoring this instance of Kazakhs behaving ridiculously some Kazakhs seemingly behaving ridiculously, at least in my foolish eyes, until I noticed non-Kazakh behaviour in places like Mount Rushmore, Alexandria, and Harare, formerly named after the then-British PM Lord Salisbury in a country formerly named after the guy who organised its then-conquest, Cecil Rhodes; of course in my native Dublin, to get a street or train station named after you, the smart move used to be to have got yourself executed by the British in 1916 . Or should both sets of !votes be disallowed on grounds that they are obviously violating WP:RGW as explained above? Tlhslobus (talk) 18:00, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

  Most people in Kazakhstan would be far more interested in the fact they beat Scotland 3-0 in the Euro qualifiers last night, not yet another name change... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:03, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

  Not sure about that (perhaps because reading of Kazakh minds is not one of my telepathic gifts). But the only reason that result was a shock is because Kazakhstan are normally rubbish at soccer despite having a much larger population than Scotland, and most people tend not to be interested in sports where their country is rubbish (indeed arguably most people aren't all that interested in many sports where their country is rather good). But in any case our article is not primarily for the benefit of our Kazakh readers - I suspect it may be of more interest to readers who like to know their capitals because they enjoy quizzes and Trivial Pursuits, etc, even if I'm not quite sure where it says that pleasing Trivial Pursuits addicts is one of the major purposes of ITN Tlhslobus (talk) 04:36, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality This article is a hot mess. Even the claim that this city has been renamed has [citation needed] tag. It contains clearly anachronistic statements like "Nursultan became the capital city of Kazakhstan in 1997". --- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:18, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support as amendment to blurb already on the front page. Yes, Astana has been renamed on a number of occasions, but that was before it became an important city. The last time a national capital city has been renamed was in 2000, when Santa Fe de Bogota was renamed Bogota. The last time a city was renamed significantly fashion rather was when Frunze was renamed Bishkek in 1991. Furthermore, the renaming of important cities is encyclopedic knowledge and exactly the kind of information Wikipedia should feature more prominently than news media would. (NorthernFalcon (talk) 21:33, 22 March 2019 (UTC))
• Oppose "Also note that this is the fourth renaming of the city since 1961." +Astana#Etymology – Ammarpad (talk) 08:11, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – I never accepted the renaming of Nieuw Amsterdam in 1664, and I don't accept this one either. – Sca (talk) 14:30, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Your comment reminds me of what New Mexico and Illinois did after the IAU reclassified Pluto: "we won't accept this, Pluto will remain a planet here". Unfortunately for them, I don't think the rest of the world cared. Banedon (talk) 02:26, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Closed) European Wikipedia blackouts

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Article: Directive on Copyright in the Digital Single Market#Public protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Four European Wikipedias undergo a blackout to protest against controversial internet legislation (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/21/18275462/eu-copyright-directive-protest-wikipedia-twitch-pornhub-final-vote
Credits:

• Nominated by Confiks (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Four European Wikipedias undergoing a blackout seems like a significant event, especially for the for ITN of the largest Wikipedia language version. There are also some other major sites like Reddit and Twitch that display banners or hinder a specific feature today. This news was featured on major media in each language, for example Tagesschau, Der Spiegel, dr.dk, and many other sites.

I hope it's okay to link to a specific article section. The (sub)article itself could use some love, but I'm afraid that I don't feel very confident yet in editing Wikipedia. Confiks (talk) 21:34, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment At least the target article is in relatively good shape. A few citations needed. The only thing I think that is worthy of discussion will be whether this is a truly significant event or just some navel gazing. I think I would be more OK with this if we included Reddit and Twitch.tv. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:55, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose navel gazing. If it had been Amazon or Google or Apple or something, sure, but not a handful of our own encyclopedias. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:02, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
  • I can see how this can be seen as navel gazing. Still, more than 91 million internet-connected users [6] in those four countries didn't have access to Wikipedia. Also, for example, Wikipedia is the 7th most visited site in Germany [7]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Confiks (talk • contribs) 22:32, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Navel gazing.--174.64.100.70 (talk) 22:18, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – Navel. – Sca (talk) 23:22, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
• The website blackouts are symbolic at best. If the protests on the 23rd amount to anything, that would be the time to post. —Cryptic 23:30, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose the article is still crap (though eventually this POS will be fisted onto the main page because "significant"). "Article 13 would require use of content-matching technologies" oh that sounds interesting, what would the requirements be, what parties would implement it and how would royalties be paid? I have no idea, the article doesn't explain it, instead going into endless detail on special interests complaining about the rules. This is what, the fifth time this piece of shit article has washed up at ITN/C? --LaserLegs (talk) 00:19, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Wikipedia-related news in every case so far has not been ITN-worthy content, and this is no different. Spencer^T•C 01:41, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

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March 20

Portal:Current events/2019 March 20

March 20, 2019 (2019-03-20) (Wednesday) Business and economy Acquisition of 21st Century Fox by Disney The Walt Disney Company completes its $71.3 billion acquisition of 21st Century Fox's film and TV assets (with the exception of the business, broadcasting network, news, and sports assets owned by the newly-formed Fox Corporation). (The Hollywood Reporter) European Union competition law European Union regulators fine Google €1.49 billion for bundling Google Custom Search with its AdSense program which the regulators find as illegal under EU antitrust rules. (Ars Technica) International relations The European People's Party votes to suspend Hungary's ruling Fidesz party citing its anti-immigration stance, and personal attacks on Jean-Claude Juncker and George Soros. Hungarian Prime Minister and Fidesz leader Viktor Orbán had threatened to pull out of the EPP if it was suspended. (BBC News) Politics and elections Politics of Kazakhstan The second President of Kazakhstan, Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, is sworn into office, after the resignation of Nursultan Nazarbayev. (The National) Astana, the capital of Kazakhstan, is renamed Nursultan, after the former President. (BBC News) Brexit negotiations UK Prime Minister Theresa May formally writes a letter to European Council President Donald Tusk requesting for a delay of Brexit until June 30. (The Guardian) Sports Mike Trout and the Los Angeles Angels finalize a record-breaking 12-year, $430 million contract, the largest in the history of Major League Baseball. (Sporting News)

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(Posted) RD: Eunetta T. Boone

Article: Eunetta T. Boone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8], [9]
Credits:

• Nominated by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk · give credit)
• Created by CAWylie (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Short but no sourcing issues. This may be all that is currently available from RS. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 05:27, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Weak support very light on details but what's there is adequate. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:23, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Small article, but no referencing issues.--SirEdimon (talk) 19:07, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 00:18, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mary Warnock, Baroness Warnock

Article: Mary Warnock, Baroness Warnock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Tom Morris (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Almost there. Just needs some TLC. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:34, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose for now, too many [citations needed]. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:32, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support. I have covered all the citations requested or hidden the text. (I am not willing to buy into the Telegraph/Times access model so someone who is will probably be able to add more from their obituaries.) Espresso Addict (talk) 01:30, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment The works listed under "As author:" are unsourced. The article seems fine otherwise. Hrodvarsson (talk) 03:04, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Done.----- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:38, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 04:03, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Google Stadia

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Article: Google Stadia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Google announces development of a cloud gaming service (logo pictured) called Google Stadia. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by GeographyAholic (talk · give credit)
• Created by Koavf (talk · give credit)

 GeographyAholic talk 18:51, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - Good faith nom. But even if this were notable, there's no metrics to measure the impact that this product may have until it's been released.--WaltCip (talk) 19:08, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
• Note I edited it but User:Czar created it and added some actual content to start the thing. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:35, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose a good candidate for another section of the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:54, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose posting product announcements. As TRM says, there are other Main Page places this might be suitable. 331dot (talk) 19:57, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – Absolutely no free advertising on the Main Page, please. Or anywhere else. Sca (talk) 20:35, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - Good faith, and perhaps it can be posted elsewhere as others have noted, but it's not exactly ITN. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 21:27, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted to Ongoing) Cyclone Idai

Article: Cyclone Idai (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Aljazeera, The Washington Post, The Guardian, AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Cyclonebiskit (talk · give credit)
• Created by Hurricane Noah (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Major humanitarian crisis unfolding in Mozambique and Zimbabwe with flood waters continuing to rise. Idai is being called one of the worst tropical cyclones on record in the entire Southern Hemisphere (indeed there is only one or two other known cyclones that have caused greater loss of life in the hemisphere: the 1892 Mauritius cyclone and possibly Cyclone Leon-Eline). Hundreds of people remain missing in both countries and the death toll is expected to exceed 1,300 between the two. Remains a big story in global media outlets. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:10, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

• I was going to oppose on the basis that it is clearly NOT ongoing, and we don't post to ongoing just because an event has ongoing effects (or we feel the blurb wasn't up long enough). However, it appears an admin has now unilaterally posted this. So...nevermind, I guess. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:36, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

  The ITN guidelines say, "Older stories which are scheduled to roll off the bottom of the list may be added to ongoing at admins' discretion, provided that the linked article is receiving continuous updates with new information on a regular basis." This is clearly happening here, just see how much has been added today by Cyclonebiskit.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:13, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Indeed it does. Big-time mea culpa there. I've been misinterpreting "articles are NOT posted to ongoing merely because they are related to events that are still happening" as requiring that the events themselves be ongoing. No such requirement exists. My apologies, Espresso Addict. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:30, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

• I added it to Ongoing when I saw it had rolled off without seeing this entry, as the event clearly meets the guidelines quoted above for the reasons given by Cyclonebiskit. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:52, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

• Good call. I've amended it to aftermath as the Cyclone itself has dissipated, but moving to ongoing can definitely be at a sole admin's discretion. Stephen 21:56, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks, that's a good solution. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:00, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

March 19

Portal:Current events/2019 March 19

March 19, 2019 (2019-03-19) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian Civil War, International military intervention against ISIL, Battle of Baghuz Fawqani Syrian Democratic Forces declares progress in Syria after an ISIL camp on the outskirts of Baghuz is captured. (NPR) (Fox News) Health and environment The U.S. Food and Drug Administration approves Sage Therapeutics' Zulresso, also known as allopregnanolone or brexanolone, for treatment of postpartum depression. It is the first drug approved to specifically target the disease, which is the most common complication of childbirth. (STAT News) (US FDA) International relations North Korea–South Korea relations North Korea and South Korea express interest in jointly hosting the 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup. (Reuters UK) (Yonhap News Agency) Politics and elections The President of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev, announces his resignation after 29 years in office. (Reuters) 2019 Guatemalan general election A judge issues an arrest warrant against presidential candidate Thelma Aldana; however, as the Supreme Electoral Tribunal registered Aldana as a presidential candidate, she enjoys immunity and can not be arrested. (Arab News) Science and technology The Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters awards this year's Abel Prize to Karen Uhlenbeck for "her pioneering achievements in geometric partial differential equations, gauge theory and integrable systems." Uhlenbeck is the first woman to win this prize. (The New York Times via MSN.com)

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(Posted) Nursultan Nazarbayev's resignation

Article: Nursultan Nazarbayev (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nursultan Nazarbayev (pictured) resigns as President of Kazakhstan, appointing Kassym-Jomart Tokayev as acting president. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Nursultan Nazarbayev (pictured) resigns as the first President of Kazakhstan after a 29 year tenure, appointing Kassym-Jomart Tokayev as interim president.
News source(s): Reuters, etc
Credits:

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: After almost 30 years in office. Article updated. Brandmeister^talk 14:14, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support WP:ITN/R and article seems reasonably well-sourced and does not have an excessive number of tags. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 17:24, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support per WP:ITN/R .BabbaQ (talk) 18:57, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support WP:ITN/R & good-shape articles. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 19:21, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality and malformed blurb. Many more citations needed in the target article (eg. Personal life and Honours sections unreferenced). I don't think this is ITN/R. ITNR says nothing about resignations. Perhaps the target should be the new president. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment. A change in head of state is ITNR- though I believe(could be wrong) we don't typically post interim/acting leaders, it seems the Acting President will be so until the end of the term. 331dot (talk) 19:51, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
  • ITNR does mention "succession of a head of state", but only "where head of state is not an elected position" (although the article says that all Nazarbayev's elections have been considered sham). Brandmeister^talk 20:52, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
    • That has usually been interpreted to mean any change in head of state. We also don't judge the validity or fairness of a country's elections(some would argue the last US presidential election was a sham because the person with the most votes did not win). 331dot (talk) 23:56, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
    • As Banedon said below, if a head of state resigning isn't ITNR, it should be. To your point about "where head of state is not an elected position" though: Nazarbayev was widely regarded by reliable sources to have been a dictator. We would very likely post if Kim Jong Un resigned and appointed a new head of state. Technically, they have elections in the DPRK, just as Nursultan Nazarbayev technically "won his election" with 97.7 percent of the "vote", but transfers of power are extremely rare in Kazakhstan (so rare that this is the only time it's ever happened) Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 23:58, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
    • I would further add that if the argument is that the elections shouldn't count as elections because they were just show elections, then the ITNR would apply after all(since the position is not really 'elected') 331dot (talk) 00:00, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support if a head of state resigning isn't ITNR, it should be. Banedon (talk) 22:54, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support, but add context: "resigns as President of Kazakhstan after 29 years in power, appointing.." Johndavies837 (talk) 23:37, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

• I also support the inclusion of more contextual information. It is very significant how lengthy Nazarbayev's tenure was (nearly three decades) as the first and (until now) only President of independent Kazakhstan. I've proposed an altblurb, but if someone can produce a more concise version that still includes the significant details, I'd support it. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 23:58, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support: Given WP:INT/R the suddenness of his resignation and the impact it will have on Kazakhstan, I think that this event is worthy of being on the main page. 20Infernix04 (talk) 00:17, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

The whole point of ITNR is that it presumes the event is notable enough for posting on the merits; we are only waiting for agreement on the blurb and adequate article quality. 331dot (talk) 23:55, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment. Some citations are needed and the article could do with updating in places. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:01, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment I have no problem with this going up as a blurb (pending a quality review) but to be ITNR there would need to be a standalone article about the change in leadership. I don't recall ever using the article about an elected official as the target of a change of leadership blurb. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:06, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Please point out where that requirement is. 331dot (talk) 00:08, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Hrm, you're right, no such requirement exists. Thanks 331dot. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:18, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Nazarbayev did not state any reason for his resignation (much to the shock of Russian officials which viewed him as a key ally). As a result, it would be very difficult to produce an article specifically about the change in leadership which was uniquely sudden and unexplained, but that certainly shouldn't prevent a blurb about the only change in power the country has ever seen. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 00:14, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support altblurb. Clearly notable; this should be made ITN/R if it isn't. The presidency section and the resignation subsection are now sourced, but the remainder of the article still has a few cn tags. Davey2116 (talk) 02:04, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support: WP:ITN/R and certainly a notable event. Article also looks to be updated and minimally comprehensive about the resignation, although details about the protests would be nice. Altblurb better shows the significance of the event. — MarkH21 (talk) 02:09, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Change of head of state is notable but the article needs more infomation about what is going on, two paragraphs is not going to cut it. Swordman97 ^{talk to me} 02:27, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posting. There are some citing issues across the article but the updated paragraph is ok. More content is always welcome but it covers the basics. I commented out the honors section since it has serious referencing issues. --Tone 08:48, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Pull This article has many sourcing and NPOV issues that were ignored. I do not doubt the significance of the event but my issue was with the quality of the article.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 16:50, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Should we note that the capital city Astana has officially been renamed to "Nursultan" effective immediately, or would this make the blurb far too cluttered? Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 20:33, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
  • I briefly thought about this, as the renaming of any country's capital is newsworthy. But perhaps it should be considered on its own merits. Brandmeister^talk 20:56, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) Karen Uhlenbeck first woman to receive Abel Prize in mathematics

Article: Karen Uhlenbeck (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Karen Uhlenbeck becomes the first woman to receive the Abel Prize in mathematics. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Karen Uhlenbeck becomes the first woman to receive the Abel Prize in mathematics for "her pioneering achievements in geometric partial differential equations, gauge theory and integrable systems."
Alternative blurb II: ​ Karen Uhlenbeck becomes the first woman to receive the Abel Prize in mathematics for "her pioneering achievements in geometric partial differential equations, gauge theory and integrable systems, and for the fundamental impact of her work on analysis, geometry and mathematical physics."
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by I enjoy sandwiches (talk · give credit)
• Created by RG2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by MarkH21 (talk · give credit) and David Eppstein (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Karen Uhlenbeck is the first woman to win this exceptionally prestigious award. I think this remarkable accomplishment is newsworthy. I enjoy sandwiches (talk) 11:46, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

• Abel is actually ITNR, so we needn't consider the gender aspect. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:40, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

In any case, the story is not appearing in the front page at the moment, so I thought I'd nominate it. The blurb can be re-worked to down weight gender, if that's what people prefer. I just included this angle because it's the angle that most of the news sources are featuring. OtterAM (talk) 18:12, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

She certainly is a noteworthy academic, though I would posit that being the first woman is a notable detail of her achievement. I enjoy sandwiches (talk) 19:02, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality - only a short paragraph for what her work actually is is not sufficient. I realize reading the selected works this is very esoteric math but we still need more discussion of it. --Masem (t) 13:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

This is a fair point. I will try to expand this section later today. If any other math aficionados want to give it a whirl, feel free. I enjoy sandwiches (talk) 19:40, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

The expanded content works for me. I don't think that needs to be in the blurb but primary concern is met. --Masem (t) 01:31, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support Interesting story that is getting a lot of press. (I accidentally created a second nomination above, but have removed that one.) I think the article is sufficient for a short biography. OtterAM (talk) 18:15, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

I have added a reference to the New York Times article. OtterAM (talk) 18:18, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment Please crop the watermark before posting. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:07, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Or remove protection so I can do it.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:13, 19 March 2019 (UTC)c

• Support - I will support this because of win of prestigious award, article and sources looks decent.BabbaQ (talk) 19:25, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment. There is a problem with an article that is so unbalanced between the trivial details of her career and any information beyond the bald topic areas of her research. This does not inform readers about what her breakthroughs are and why they are important. Espresso Addict (talk) 20:05, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Support. Now much improved. Espresso Addict (talk) 20:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support. Bit list-heavy but sufficient sources and quality. First female winner of "Nobel prize for mathematics" is certainly notable. Per sources, maybe a blurb can be used that includes said commonly made comparison to the Nobel prizes? Regards SoWhy 20:12, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support This article has come a long way in the last hour.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:42, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support This is (arguably) the highest recognition in mathematics. Absolutely ITN-worthy. Would prefer either the altblurb or altblurb2. — MarkH21 (talk) 22:55, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Agree, though may favor the first altblurb 2/2 space constrictions. I enjoy sandwiches (talk) 23:38, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support About time for a good news story. Two mass shootings, a natural disaster, and an air crash. Run it! Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:13, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose not at all "minimally comprehensive". She got the award " for "her pioneering achievements in geometric partial differential equations, gauge theory and integrable systems, and for the fundamental impact of her work on analysis, geometry and mathematical physics." and the achievements section has basically one sentence about each. "She has also contributed to topological quantum field theory and integrable systems" This is one of the reasons she won the award for crying out loud give the WP:READERs something to go on. The article is not suitable for posting to MP for this. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:57, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

What would "minimally comprehensive" entail? An in-depth description of her technical work would be more than minimal. There's a reason that the New York Times, CNN, etc. don't say much on her contributions, it's hard to suitably summarize them for a general audience.

Her work on singularities of harmonic maps in geometric analysis (aka geometric PDEs) really was foundational and simultaneously applicable to gauge theory, Yang–Mills theory, and integrable systems. In some sense, the three sentences in the latter two paragraphs are really about those contributions in simultaneity (she did not really work on those independently of each other). In any case, it would take more work to provide more in-depth technical descriptions as a non-specialist but I would argue that it is minimally comprehensive. — MarkH21 (talk) 01:06, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

I don't know what "minimally comprehensive" is for this subject, that's sort of the point though. I read it, the whole "Research" section is little more than a bullet point list of what she won the award for, it doesn't tell me anything about her contributions to those areas. Honestly all the Able Prize winner articles are poor, except Nash but that's not really fair. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:16, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Some of the others are quite a bit more comprehensive, e.g. Jean-Pierre Serre, Michael Atiyah, John Tate. However, Uhlenbeck is not as famous or well-known as some past winners and there is relatively less information on her and her work. In general though, descriptive writing of technical mathematical work is a rare and valuable art. — MarkH21 (talk) 01:23, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support alt blurb 1 or 2. Article is sufficient. Davey2116 (talk) 01:59, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support alt blurb 2. Article is good to go. Swordman97 ^{talk to me} 02:35, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Finally something that doesn't involve people dying :P Kaldari (talk) 03:31, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
•  Posted --Tone 08:49, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

March 18

Portal:Current events/2019 March 18

March 18, 2019 (2019-03-18) (Monday) Armed conflict and attacks 2019 Utrecht shooting A man opens fire in a tram in the city of Utrecht, Netherlands, killing three people and wounding nine others, before fleeing. Terrorism is suspected by authorities. A 37-year-old Turkish man is arrested. (Fox News) Christchurch mosque shootings, Internet censorship in Australia Telstra blocks access to several websites in Australia for hosting footage of the recent mass shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, which were livestreamed on Facebook, including LiveLeak, 4chan, 8chan, Voat and the blog Zero Hedge. Optus and Vodafone took similar actions but did not list which sites had been blocked. (9news) Science and technology Kamchatka superbolide NASA reports that it has detected a huge meteor explosion in Earth's atmosphere on December 18, 2018, above Russia's Kamchatka Peninsula. The explosion went largely unnoticed due to its location. The explosion, which was ten times more powerful than the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima, was the second largest of its kind in 30 years. (BBC News)

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RD: Kenneth To

Article: Kenneth To (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [10][11]
Credits:

• Nominated by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Hoising (talk · give credit) and Hkrugfan (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 26-year-old swimmer dies of heart attack. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:00, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment. Needs copy editing and some referencing. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:40, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose the "one ref at the end of each para" doesn't quite work here, a lot of unreferenced material. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:34, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) 2019 Utrecht shooting

Article: 2019 Utrecht shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A man has opened fire in a tram in the Dutch city of Utrecht, killing three and injuring nine people (Post)
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters, dpa, RTL
Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Created by SRich (talk · give credit)
• Updated by SRich (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: News still to come in. Article in initial stages. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:39, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose until more details are available upon which we can base a judgement. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:31, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment – Looks to be of comparatively minor moderate significance. Sca (talk) 13:39, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Three dead, nine wounded. Blurb amended. Mjroots (talk) 15:14, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - death toll rises. BabbaQ (talk) 17:04, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

AP, Reuters, dpa say three dead and five (rather than nine) injured. (Added to sources.) – Sca (talk) 17:27, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Rises, yes, but doesn't come close to the 21 killed in Mali on the same day. Barely cracks the top ten deadliest attacks of the week. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:29, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

  GreatCaesarsGhost, feel free to nominate that attack in Mali. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:43, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 20:39, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support article is of sufficient quality, well referenced, detailed enough, topic is currently in the news. Checks all the boxes.--Jayron32 22:16, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose disaster stub. Motivation still unknown. Outrageous statement "Several witnesses have claimed that the probable motive for the attack was an honour killing after a family dispute between two relatives." not backed by refs. No thanks. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:41, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support on notability. Rare case of mass shooting in the Netherlands. Article has been afd'ed though that seems a strange decision as the story is still in the headlines. Hrodvarsson (talk) 03:13, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
• The body count is quite low in the scheme of things, and there is no other factor which may suggest greater significance. There is much bias in the western media about this kind of attack being normal where brown/black people live but big news when it happens in our house. Add to that the theme of one of THEM coming HERE and killing US. We need to be cautious about thinking this significant because of the coverage it is getting; it often says more about the coverage than the event. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:16, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Several sources [12] [13] [14] say terrorism still being considered as a motive (or personal/family issues). – Sca (talk) 13:32, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support. International continued coverage despite the many tragedies in the news cycle. Article seems fine. wumbolo ^^^ 19:06, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted modified blurb. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:19, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing removal: Brexit negotiations

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Article: Brexit negotiations (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Last update was several days ago. LaserLegs (talk) 11:21, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose nothing substantive happens over the weekend. This week will see yet more Brexit votes, and an inevitable delay to implementation of Article 50, this isn't the time to remove it. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:30, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – The never-ending Brexit story goes on. – Sca (talk) 13:40, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per TRM.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:12, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

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March 17

Portal:Current events/2019 March 17

March 17, 2019 (2019-03-17) (Sunday) Disasters and accidents 2019 Jayapura flood and landslide At least 73 people have been killed in flash floods in the province of Papua, Indonesia. (BBC News) President of Mozambique Filipe Nyusi suggests the death toll of Cyclone Idai could reach over one thousand. The current official toll stands at 84. (BBC News) Politics and elections 2019 Slovak presidential election Progressive Slovakia candidate Zuzana Čaputová, who ran on an anti-corruption campaign against the backdrop of Ján Kuciak's murder, wins the first round of Slovakia's presidential election with 40.5% of the vote while the ruling Direction – Social Democracy Party's candidate Maroš Šefčovič receives 18.6% of the vote. As no candidate reached 50%+1 votes in the first round, Čaputová and Šefčovič will take part in a second round on March 30, 2019. The ruling Direction – Social Democracy Party suffers its worst result since its founding in 1999. (Reuters) (The Guardian) (BBC News) (Slovakia's Election Commission) 2020 United States presidential election, 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries Kirsten Gillibrand 2020 presidential campaign U.S. Senator Kirsten Gillibrand of New York formally announces she is officially running for the Democratic Party's nomination for President of the United States in the 2020 election. (The New York Times)

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(Posted) RD: Wolfgang Meyer

Article: Wolfgang Meyer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SWR
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sorry, I was on vacation, so I'm a bit late. His sister is more famous (first woman with the Berlin Philharmonic, a sensation back then), but he was a great musician in his own right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:59, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support. Brief but adequate, appears sufficiently sourced (assuming ref 8 covers the entire list) and has been updated. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:41, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

  I provided an additional ref for the list (and dropped two recordings with organist Wolfgang Meyer) - the list was there before me ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:03, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support - Good enough for me.--SirEdimon (talk) 19:09, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. [I acknowledge this is somewhat IAR, as I was one of two supports, but I fear it will be overlooked.] Espresso Addict (talk) 01:22, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

(New) Pakistan Super League

Article: 2019 Pakistan Super League Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cricket, Quetta Gladiators defeat Peshawar Zalmi in the final to win the Pakistan Super League. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Bigfoot Yeti (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 Bigfoot Yeti (talk) 07:53, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment WOW! Finally a sports nom with at least some prose.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 10:57, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Weak support a big event and this one is significant given issues over the last many years in hosting top-level sport in Pakistan itself. Article is alright, could use a bit more prose, but as noted above, nice to see some there already. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:25, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support too late— Bukhari (Talk!) 09:20, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Alan Krueger

Article: Alan Krueger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by IntoThinAir (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 IntoThinAir (talk) 17:58, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support Looks good to me. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:09, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:11, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support good to go. --BabbaQ (talk) 18:41, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment. I don't think this is quite ready. The sourcing needs work -- there are several claims based on primary sources only (not all tagged) as well as unsourced material in the infobox. The lead needs rewriting. When did he stop being chair of the White House Council of Economic Advisers? Espresso Addict (talk) 21:18, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. Espresso Addict (talk) 19:50, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Manohar Parrikar

Article: Manohar Parrikar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article with everything sourced. Indian Chief Minister. DBigXrayᗙ 15:17, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support The person in question is significant enough to be present in RD. The article too seems good. Adithya Pergade (talk) 17:48, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

• Everybody who has an article on Wikipedia is "significant enough to be present in RD".--SirEdimon (talk) 18:33, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support Everything seems to be accounted for. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:29, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - One importante statement is unsourced: "He has since been credited with transparent, efficient and fast decision making in what was till then thought of as a sluggish ministry. He has also opened up several investigations into alleged scams like Augusta Westland Chopper scam." This kind of thing must be referenced.--SirEdimon (talk) 18:34, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

• SirEdimon agree, I have removed this unsourced claim from the article and move to the talk page. Please see if you can now support this--DBigXrayᗙ 18:45, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support - Good to go in my opinion.--SirEdimon (talk) 18:49, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support good enough quality for RD. Marked as ready --DannyS712 (talk) 22:10, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:22, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks Stephen, this has already seen 600,000 page views. Is there any Wikipedia:In the news/Statistics page like the Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Statistics ? this seems like a good candidate. --DBigXrayᗙ 07:58, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

March 16

Portal:Current events/2019 March 16

March 16, 2019 (2019-03-16) (Saturday) Disasters and accidents A fire at a refugee camp in Nigeria kills eight and leaves 15,000 homeless. The residents are people displaced by ongoing conflict with Boko Haram. (Reuters) 2019 Midwestern U.S. floods Flooding over large portions of Nebraska leave one dead and two missing with over 900 people using emergency shelters. Many roads and highways in the state are also closed. (USA Today) Law and crime Terrorism in Ireland, Terrorism in the United Kingdom The village of Derrylin, close to the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, is sealed off after a suspicious object is found. The object is later determined to be “nothing untoward”. (Irish Times) Colombia's migration authority detains and expels an alleged spy working for Cuba's Intelligence Directorate. (El Tiempo) Politics and elections Yellow vests movement Protests against French President Emmanuel Macron enter a fourth month in Paris. Tear gas is fired at protestors throwing stones at riot police in front of the Arc de Triomphe, news stands are torched at the Champs-Élysées, and a branch of Banque Tarneaud is burned. More than 80 arrests are made. Businesses around the Champs-Élysées are looted. (Reuters) Trial of Catalonia independence leaders, Catalan independentism Thousands of demonstrators protest in Madrid against the trial of Catalan independence leaders and the ongoing detention of some of them. Local police say around 18,000 protestors were involved; organisers claim almost 120,000. (BBC News)

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(Posted) RD: Dick Dale

Article: Dick Dale (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk · give credit)
• Updated by JezGrove (talk · give credit) and Ritchie333 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: LOADS of work needed. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:35, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: Everything in the main prose is now cited to a source (with the caveat that I haven't checked every source already in the article beyond a few basic spot checks) and a lot of prose has been cleaned up. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:54, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment. Thanks to Ritchie333, the article is in much better shape. The discography still needs work so it is not ready to post. Capitalistroadster (talk) 02:35, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support I think the singles are covered by ref #45. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:33, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Looks like the article is good enough to post. Swordman97 ^{talk to me} 02:40, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - decent shape now. BabbaQ (talk) 23:11, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:57, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) 2019 Jayapura flooding

Article: 2019 Jayapura flood and landslide (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 89 people are killed by a flash flood and landslide in Jayapura Regency and Jayapura, Indonesia. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian (via AFP), DW
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Juxlos (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: News is a bit buried by the media block in Papua and the NZ/Ethiopia events, but it's still there in front pages. Juxlos (talk) 11:45, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support - The article is a bit small but seems good enough for me and the death toll is, obviously, very significative.--SirEdimon (talk) 18:38, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Article is adequate and sourced, though mainly not in English. The BBC is covering this on their world news index page and the ref I've added covers most of the basics. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:19, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support It's true that this has been overshadowed by NZ shooting and Ethiopia crash, but it's tragic too and the article looks OK. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:16, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Did not receive due attention because of other major international news, but coverage that did occur was reasonable. Death toll is significant. AusLondonder (talk) 11:48, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose quality. "The administrative villages of Dobonsolo, Doyobaru and Hini Kumbi were the most affected" most affected how? 73 are dead? Where? How? The impact section has a total of six lines of prose, one of which is dedicated to a damaged helicopter. Is a damaged helicopter "very significant"? I know I'm in the minority here, but this is another disaster stub that tells very little. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:15, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - per refs, per attention, per coverage.BabbaQ (talk) 18:59, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Ok coverage of event. Well referenced. Obviously significant number of deaths.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:58, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 21:33, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Six Nations Championship

Article: 2019 Six Nations Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Wales win the 2019 Six Nations Championship with a Grand Slam. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In rugby, Wales win the 2019 Six Nations Championship with a Grand Slam.
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Sceptre (talk) 16:49, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose great graphics and tables. Prose? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:20, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Lacks prose... It needs background information in the article body and supporting info for some sections. Noah^Talk 04:52, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

March 15

Portal:Current events/2019 March 15

March 15, 2019 (2019-03-15) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Christchurch mosque shootings, Terrorism in New Zealand At least 50 people are killed and dozens others are injured during two attacks on mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand. (NBC News) Four people—three men and one woman—are arrested in connection to the shootings, according to New Zealand Police Commissioner Mike Bush. It is later learned that one of them was an armed citizen trying to help police and was released. (Sky News) A gunman involved in the shootings of at least one of the two mosques is identified as Brenton Tarrant, a 28-year-old Australian man. (Associated Press) 2019 Tel Aviv rocket strike In response to a possible accidental launching of two rockets from the Gaza Strip towards Tel Aviv the day before, Israel launches hundreds of counter strikes directed at the town of Khan Yunis. (The New York Times) (Associated Press) Health and environment School strike for climate Hundreds of thousands of students protest worldwide for climate change mitigation. (ANSA) (Archynewsy.com) (The Sydney Morning Herald) Keystone pipeline expansion A U.S. appeals court denies TransCanada's request to lift an injunction preventing pre-construction work on the Keystone XL expansion from beginning. The company claims this will delay the project by a year. (CBC) International relations United States and the International Criminal Court, United States war crimes, War crimes in Afghanistan United States Secretary of State Mike Pompeo bars the entry of International Criminal Court investigators into the United States as part of the ICC's investigation into possible war crimes committed by the United States military in Afghanistan. (Associated Press) North Korea and weapons of mass destruction, North Korea–United States relations North Korea has reportedly threatened to suspend negotiations with the United States regarding nuclear weaponry, as well as resume related missile testing. (The New York Times) Law and crime Volkswagen emissions scandal The Securities and Exchange Commission alleges in a court filing that Volkswagen has "perpetrated a massive fraud" and repeatedly lied to U.S. investors in connection with diesel emissions. (CNBC) Politics and elections 2019 Algerian protests The 2019 Algerian protests, the largest protests since the Algerian Civil War, have led the government to cancel the Presidential elections, to replace the Prime Minister, and to promise Abdelaziz Bouteflika would not run for re-election. (The Washington Post) National Emergency Concerning the Southern Border of the United States U.S. President Donald Trump issues his first ever veto after Congress attempts to block his emergency declaration to fund construction of the wall along the Mexico–United States border. (The New York Times) Lawmakers in Mexico's lower chamber of Congress approve a constitutional reform that would allow for recall referendums to cut short the six-year presidential term limit; the measure still needs the approval of the Senate and the state legislatures. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Mike Thalassitis

Article: Mike Thalassitis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)
• Updated by The Optimistic One (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: C Class article with very good sourcing. A footballer and TV star. DBigXrayᗙ 10:06, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support on quality - good enough for RD --DannyS712 (talk) 17:05, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support, marking ready. Spencer^T•C 18:07, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Good to go.--SirEdimon (talk) 18:40, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 22:03, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

• BorgQueen thanks, can someone give the credits. Regards. --DBigXrayᗙ 02:47, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

•  Done by User:Ammarpad--DBigXrayᗙ 07:21, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) School strike for climate

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Article: School strike for climate (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hundreds of thousands of pupils and students worldwide go on school strike to demand political action against global warming. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hundreds of thousands of pupils and students joins Greta Thunberg in a worldwide school strike to demand political action against global warming.
Alternative blurb II: ​ An estimated 1.4 million students worldwide participate in school strikes demanding political action against global warming.
News source(s): (CNN) + see also other sources in Article
Credits:

• Nominated by PJ Geest (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 --PJ Geest (talk) 09:29, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support News or Ongoing Disclaimer... I edit this article. Global phenom and original inspiration Swedish teen Greta Thunberg has been nominated for Nobel Peace Prize. The article attracts new (young?) editors so there are sometimes spates of cleanup work to be done, and extra care to ensure neutrality but its a very good start. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:38, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support I saw enough coverage of this to support. Banedon (talk) 12:40, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment – Lots of coverage all right, but while one may very much sympathize with the objective, gauging the impact of these demonstrations, i.e. their significance, is problematic. They haven't had any immediate effect on consequential climate policies or, obviously, on the climate itself. – Sca (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

See "Swedish student leader wins EU pledge to spend billions on climate" and "Greta Thunberg—Swedish Teen who Inspired School Climate Strikes—Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize" – NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:10, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support - significant protest internationally ... by children, even. starship.paint ~ KO 15:23, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Regardless of notability, the article is not main page material in its current state. The table needs quite a few fixes (sourcing, proper sorting, and so on) before it can be considered acceptable quality-wise, and there's some WP:PROSELINE as well. TompaDompa (talk) 16:28, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support on significance, but article needs some work. Davey2116 (talk) 17:03, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support The strike appears to already had an immediate impact, the UN Secretary General has called an emergency climate summit in response to the strikes.The lorax (talk) 17:49, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Not sure "calling for" a meeting to discuss the problem can be described as an impact or effect. Sca (talk) 20:27, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support This is getting a lot of attention and the article looks to be in decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:12, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment This has been "happening" for almost one year now. Why to put it on the main page now? It doesn't seem "ITN" material for me. It's not a current event (that happened in the past few hours or days), it has been happening for a long time now. It seems more like an "ongoing" thing for me.--SirEdimon (talk) 18:29, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Although there have been a few here and there, and even fewer have been large (>10,000), there was great buildup to March 15 and estimates are something like 2000+ events in 100+ countries involving 1 to 1.4 million people, just in the last 72 hours. That's very different from the here-and-there events that happened before, even if some of them were "large". NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 18:46, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Agree with NewsAndEventsGuy --PJ Geest (talk) 19:02, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose still not clear why this isn't "ongoing". The Rambling Man (talk) 19:38, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support – Ongoing only, in line with TRM and my comments above. Sca (talk) 20:30, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. Disorganised and poorly sourced. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:36, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose both on quality and significance, since we're here. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:41, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
• There is both something to say for blurb and ongoing. It is true the size of protests of 15 March where exceptional and they don't plan a global strike every week (probably less then once a month). On the other hand it is already been going on (and growing) for a long time. Plus for a lot of countries 15 March was only the first time they protested, so there is a chance this still expands in these countries in the future (which remains of course to be seen). For me this is a bit similar to the yellow vest movement, I don't know the yellow vests where blurb(s) or ongoing? I hope we get to concensus on this fast. PJ Geest (talk) 09:58, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Indeed, we should keep in mind that global warming has been "ongoing" for decades if not centuries. Sca (talk) 14:32, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

So has Universe, Evolution, and especially taxation. You're point? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:55, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

I trust you to figure that out for yourself. – Sca (talk) 17:03, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

• In the meanwhile the article has better quality and is better sourced. From above I interpret that there is more support for ongoing. So I suppose we should go for ongoing. --PJ Geest (talk) 19:18, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Yes it has been ongoing but how does that prevent us from blurbing now . Wars are ongoing but we choose to post blurbs when a significant and distinct event occurs within that war. On 15 March, these strikes came to the first notable climax. Sure, there is a chance for continued growth but this event is at least a noteworthy peak. Unlike other ongoing protests currently, this occurred in multiple countries in coordination. The current blurb is just not good enough and I am not opposed to ongoing but it would be challenged in 24 hours as the page may not sustain the updates required for ongoing. We have a significant noteworthy update and we should try to come up with a good blurb.----- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:29, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Along those lines see "In the largest ever protest of its kind..." and "...an international strike for climate action — reportedly the largest protest against global warming in human history. An estimated 1.4 million people in 123 countries took part. " NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:38, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support per Coffeeandcrumbs. —Hugh (talk) 00:29, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• What about following blurb: More than 1 million pupils and students worldwide quit school for taking part in the largest protest against global warming in history. --PJ Geest (talk) 14:51, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - The marches are over, and the coverage of this has ceased, so the event is effectively stale at this point.--WaltCip (talk) 17:06, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

  It wasn't stale when it was nominated, that's what counts.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:17, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support per the wide coverage of the March 15 strikes.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:15, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - per world wide coverage. per significance. article in decent shape, Blurb ready.BabbaQ (talk) 19:32, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: W. S. Merwin

Article: W. S. Merwin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, NPR
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article with good sourcing. United States Poet Laureate and Twice winner of Pulitzer Prize for Poetry DBigXrayᗙ 08:08, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support. Well referenced article. Capitalistroadster (talk) 08:10, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support clearly meets RD requirements (great sourcing for the bibliography and awards); marked as ready --DannyS712 (talk) 16:52, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support done deal, especially now the easter egg links are gone. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:40, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Per above.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:50, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 23:50, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

(Removed) Ongoing removal 2019 Venezuelan blackout

Article: 2019 Venezuelan blackout (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Both CNN and Fox agree that the blackout is over. Of course the consequences will continue for some time, but the thing which was ongoing is no longer. LaserLegs (talk) 23:27, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

• It seems a little odd to me to remove something that was only added 24 hours ago. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:59, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Reliable sources say it's over. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:15, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Per the article, “the blackout has yet to be fully resolved as of 15 March”. Stephen 00:31, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
  • So the article is not updated, another good reason to remove it. Per WP:RS "Power has returned to Venezuela after a week after the country was plunged into darkness". --LaserLegs (talk) 01:02, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• [15] Some power is back but looking to weeks to restore across the country. That said, this is now in "recovery" mode, so I would remove it as it has nothing directly to do with the ongoing presidential crisis. --Masem (t) 01:11, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment: Perhaps this could be bumped from the ongoing section to one of the bulleted items, especially since the third newest item at present is from 12 days ago. Spencer^T•C 01:15, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Thats a fine idea, the event was significant and a blurb is certainly appropriate. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:29, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
    • My suggestion for a blurb at this point would be something like "Electricity and water is restored to main population centers of Venezuela, after the country suffered a complete national blackout for 7 days". But that's about it. Kingsif (talk) 07:10, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Remove but no need for a blurb.If we're to add a blurb for it, then no need for removing it from the Ongoing in the first place. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:10, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• ”The power outage had yet to be fully resolved as of 16 March” according to Venezuelan sources, or we could quote “reliable” American sources themselves quoting the information minister from a failing government. Stephen 00:37, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Right, "fully" resolved according to anti-government Venezuelan sources. Reuters and the Guardian if "American sources" need to be de-legitimized with quotation marks. So we can keep in the ongoing box localized regional blackouts that have absolutely nothing at all whatsoever to do with the ongoing political issues in the country, or we can get it out of there already. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:57, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
    • There, I updated the lead with reliable sources, now can we please get this turd of an article off the main page? --LaserLegs (talk) 15:21, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
• Well? Are we pulling this or not? WaltCip (talk) 15:23, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Do you support or oppose pulling it? --LaserLegs (talk) 15:52, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
• Removed. Now appears out of the news, even if minor outages are still ongoing. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:50, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

RD: Y. S. Vivekananda Reddy

Article: Y. S. Vivekananda Reddy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Andhra politician Y. S. Vivekananda Reddy stabbed to death (Post)
News source(s): the Times of India ,India Today
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:52, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment - Several paragraphs without a single reference.--SirEdimon (talk) 00:39, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose first two paras of bio unref. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:44, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) Cyclone Idai

Article: Cyclone Idai (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After killing at least 126 people in southern Africa, Cyclone Idai (satellite image pictured) makes landfall in Mozambique. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Flash floods and winds caused by Cyclone Idai (satellite image pictured) kill at least 173 people in Mozambique, Malawi, South Africa, and Zimbabwe.
News source(s): AP, Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Cyclonebiskit (talk · give credit)
• Created by Hurricane Noah (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Deadliest weather disaster thus far in 2019, and an unusually powerful storm for Mozambique. Worst damage thus far was from the precursor floods during the storm's formative stages, effects from the more powerful landfall today are unknown. Impact section needs some love but the bare essentials are there. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 01:23, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support – Impact section could use some work but the rest is a real good start page. Is 15 March the best date for our purposes? I think we are lagging behind sources. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 02:31, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
  • We're definitely behind on the flood event, but the system just made landfall near Beira, Mozambique, and would likely warrant an update blurb regardless. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 03:26, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
    • I updated the deaths here after the total increased from 126 to 145 confirmed. Impacts are going to come in at a slow rate since Mozambique could see up to 500mm (20 in) of rain in addition to what it already has. Not to mention the ongoing gale force winds. Noah^Talk 00:20, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - As above. Sherenk1 (talk) 03:03, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
• Wait until impact on Beira is known, then Support. 2607:FEA8:1DE0:7B4:11DC:4DC2:7E1B:466 (talk) 03:55, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Article is good enough for me and the event is clearly significative.--SirEdimon (talk) 22:44, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Has impacted hundreds of thousands of people and killed about 140, seems worthy to be on the news. DerpieDerpie:D 14:01, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted KrinkleBot seems to be down so no image for now. Spencer^T•C 14:42, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - The description is somehow inappropriate as some deaths within the 169 are caused after landfall. 🐱💬 15:35, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

  Technically speaking, all the deaths were caused after the first landfall occurred. @Spencer: Probably would be better to use the alt blurb as it gives a more accurate scope of the storm's deadliness without being factually inaccurate. Additionally, I reverted the main one to the original 126 since we can't be certain of what was caused before and after the second landfall. Noah^Talk 19:59, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

  Shifted to alt blurb. Thanks, Spencer^T•C 00:58, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

• Post-posting comment – Several sources [16] [17] indicate death toll in region may approach 1,000. – Sca (talk) 13:23, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

  @Sca: We did note that in the article. Noah^Talk 15:13, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

• Moved to Ongoing. The event is still in the headlines internationally and major updates are continuing to the article. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:12, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) Christchurch mosque shootings

Article: Christchurch mosque shootings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A mass shooting at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, results in multiple deaths. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A mass shooting at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, results in multiple deaths and injuries unknown.
News source(s): 1 News, AP News, Guardian, BBC
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Sheldybett (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 Sheldybett (talk) 02:24, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support but wait a few hours as the incident is still ongoing and the article is not yet well developed. This is an unprecedented event in New Zealand - we've had terrorist incidents before but not involving this number of (probable) deaths, possible multiple perpetrators, and never with automatic weapons, which are not readily available in this country. The blurb needs work. Excuse me if I'm not coherent, I'm in shock.-gadfium 03:05, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - And post as soon as possible. BabbaQ (talk) 03:13, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
• Wait Yes this is notable, but we need more information and a better blurb. AIRcorn (talk) 03:15, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - The blurb needs tweaking. Hazara Birar ^(Talk)
• Wait - Not clear information. Article is not ready Sherenk1 (talk) 03:26, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support when the article is updated with new information. The event is clearly notable. 2607:FEA8:1DE0:7B4:11DC:4DC2:7E1B:466 (talk) 03:52, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - police have now confirmed multiple fatalities, which makes it ITN-worthy IMHO, given the rarity of such events in that part of the world. Blurb needs work though (no need for the street, for instance); I suggest something like A mass shooting at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, results in multiple deaths. Adpete (talk) 04:01, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support per Adpete, and concur on their suggestion of a clearer blurb. —Hugh (talk) 04:03, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Will we be clearly indicating that this was a terrorist attack>? DS (talk) 04:05, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Best here to follow the lead of the main news sources, per WP:RS. But certainly not yet, since I haven't seen it called that in the RS. Adpete (talk) 04:07, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

• Wait Still needs more information, but it is notable enough.∻ℳcCunicano 04:30, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 04:32, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Update – PM confirmed at least 40 deaths. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 07:03, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
    • Now at least 49. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:15, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
• The blurb Can we reword the blurb to say "white supremacist terror attack"? The PM of Australia is already using the word 'terrorism' to describe what has happened. The shooter's manifesto also spoke of "white identity"-TenorTwelve (talk) 08:39, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

No. Unless you get that phrase accepted into the article. Stephen 09:30, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

No. We generally do not identify ideological motivations for mass shootings in blurbs. I don't recall "Islamic extremists" or "anti-gay" showing up in earlier terror attack blurbs. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:45, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

• Update – Mike Bush confirmed 50 deaths. This is likely the final toll so no need for at least.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:39, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:49, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

March 14

Portal:Current events/2019 March 14

March 14, 2019 (2019-03-14) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2019 Tel Aviv rocket strike Two rockets are fired from the Gaza Strip at Tel Aviv, Israel; neither rocket was intercepted by the IDF's Iron Dome system. (The New York Times) (IDF Spokesperson) Disasters and accidents USS Devastator is damaged by fire while at a Bahrain dock. (Task & Purpose) Law and crime Bloody Sunday Prosecutors in Northern Ireland charge a former British Army soldier with murdering two people during the mass shooting in Derry during the Troubles in 1972, following a contemporary police investigation. The man, known only as Soldier F, is also charged with three attempted murders. It is also announced that no other charges against either soldiers or civilians will be brought due to insufficient evidence. Soldiers shot 28 unarmed protestors, killing 13. (BBC News) 2019 college admissions bribery scandal Eight universities are sued by two Stanford University students in regards to the college admissions bribery scandal. (ABC News) Caracas drone attack A CNN reporter alleges an unnamed source has provided new video details about the August 2018 drone explosion in Caracas, claiming that it was part of a plot to kill Nicolás Maduro. (CNN) Politics and elections 2020 United States presidential election, 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries Beto O'Rourke 2020 presidential campaign Former U.S. Representative Beto O'Rourke from Texas announces he is running for the Democratic Party's nomination for President of the United States in the 2020 election. (BBC News) Brexit negotiations The House of Commons of the United Kingdom votes 412 to 202 to seek a delay to Brexit of three months if UK Prime Minister Theresa May's deal can be passed at a third attempt next week, else significantly longer. The delay, which means the UK will no longer leave the European Union on March 29, will have to be unanimously approved by all other 27 EU member states. (BBC News) National Emergency Concerning the Southern Border of the United States The U.S. Senate votes 59–41 to cancel President Donald Trump's emergency declaration to fund the wall along the Mexico–United States border. Trump plans to veto the decision. (The New York Times)

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(Posted) RD: Jake Phelps

Article: Jake Phelps (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): San Francisco Chronicle
Credits:

• Nominated by Samuel Wiki (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Editor of skateboarding magazine Thrasher. Fully sourced. Samuel Wiki (talk) 10:36, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is a stub. --___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:27, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Article is no longer a stub. Editors are clearly interested in it. Lots of press about him with his recent passing. --Wil540 art (talk) 17:13, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Good enough. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:04, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Weak oppose basically a stub. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:27, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted, just about good enough, and not a lot of other details online about him. Stephen 03:35, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) 2019 Tel Aviv attempted strike

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Article: 2019 Tel Aviv missile strike (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I suspect we will not post yet but, according to RS, a counter strike is sure to follow. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:33, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

• Wait - Until further escalations etc. If that happens consider this a Support.BabbaQ (talk) 00:03, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - Usual skirmish. Already out of news Sherenk1 (talk) 03:27, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

• Usual? This is the first rocket attack to reach Tel Aviv since 2014. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 03:30, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose practically expected in a de facto warzone. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:16, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose agree with The Rambling Man, I dont think this deserves an article. --DBigXrayᗙ 09:45, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose no reported casualties. See List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2018 (or replace the 18 with any number starting from 01) as a sense of how unusual this is. Juxlos (talk) 13:08, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Birch Bayh

Article: Birch Bayh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP & etc.
Credits:

• Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk · give credit) and Davey2116 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prominent US Senator from the land of long ago. Article is not in horrible shape but as usual, referencing needs some work. Ad Orientem (talk) 14:37, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Still needs a fair amount of work. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:08, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support RD, may be a blurb candidate: authors of portions of the US constitution probably qualify. Only 'unreferenced' section I saw currently is self-referencing to pre-Internet official government publications. Currently meets any reasonable referencing requirements. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 06:23, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support I tagged the hell out of the page and all requested citations were provided. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 09:26, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Article is now fully sourced after the work of Coffeeandcrumbs (and myself). Davey2116 (talk) 19:53, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support per above. Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:55, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:31, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

RD: Godfried Danneels

Article: Godfried Danneels (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): De Standaard
Credits:

• Nominated by Fram (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Belgian Cardinal. Well fleshed out article (I haven't written nor updated it, I'm just the nominator here). Fram (talk) 13:06, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment: Some references needed for Godfried_Danneels#Danneels_and_the_Belgian_court, the uncited quote in Godfried_Danneels#Danneels'_view_on_euthanasia, and the uncited quote in Godfried_Danneels#The_Vangheluwe_affair_and_its_aftermath. Otherwise, seems to do a good job covering his life with appropriate depth. Spencer^T•C 19:15, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Quite a lot of tags to be dealt with. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:10, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose around 20 [citation needed] tags in a BLP? Nein danke. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:32, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Charlie Whiting

Article: Charlie Whiting (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, news.com.au
Credits:

• Nominated by JuneGloom07 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the most influential people in Formula 1. Edit: Oof, I made the nomination before looking at the article, so I didn't realise how sparse it is. JuneGloom07 Talk 02:36, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

• Weak oppose for someone in such a prominent position for such a period, the article is basically a stub. What's there seems fine, but just not comprehensive. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:28, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
  • I've added links to some obituaries to the talk page. Not got time to add from them myself atm. Mjroots (talk) 08:05, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Expanded so it is no longer a stub. Reasonably well referenced. Capitalistroadster (talk) 08:10, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. What's there is referenced but it's not really comprehensive enough - the 2005 US GP incident does seem to be unduly prominent and the "Legacy" section isn't about his legacy but tributes to him. He was of massive importance to the sport and does have a great legacy in terms of safety improvements, etc. that just isn't covered at all. Thryduulf (talk) 10:58, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Have expanded a bit more. Everything that is there is referenced, and the vital details about him are there as well. Zwerg Nase (talk) 11:51, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support – Appears decent enough. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:05, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:08, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

March 13

Portal:Current events/2019 March 13

March 13, 2019 (2019-03-13) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian Civil War The SOHR reports that Syrian government shelling and Russian air strikes occur in several areas in Idlib province, in the first such raids since a September truce deal, killing at least 15 civilians including eight children and wounding around 60. (TRT World) (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2019 Lagos school collapse A building in Lagos, Nigeria, collapses, killing ten people and leaving more than 100 others trapped under the rubble. (BBC News) (Reuters) Boeing 737 MAX groundings Canada and the United States ground all Boeing 737 Max 8 and Max 9 aircraft and ban the jet from their airspace until further notice. It is now effectively grounded worldwide, with no operators remaining unaffected by grounding orders. (CBC) (BBC News) (CNN) An avalanche on Ben Nevis kills two French nationals and a Swiss national. A fourth climber is injured and is receiving treatment at a hospital in Glasgow. (BBC News) Health and environment At least 111 schools in Malaysia are shut down following the treatment of 200 children, staff, and others being poisoned. Authorities suspect that a chemical dump in the southern state of Johor is responsible for the sudden illnesses. (Reuters) (CNBC) Law and crime Killing of Susanna Feldmann Ali Bashar confesses in court in Germany to killing teenager Susanna Feldmann. Bashar is a failed asylum seeker from Iraq. The case prompted national debate and a pledge by Angela Merkel to call for improvements to the deportation system in Germany. Counterterror police traveled to Iraq in order to return him to Germany, as he had already been deported when he was identified in connection to the murder; Iraq has no extradition treaty with Germany. (BBC News) Assassination of Marielle Franco Two former military police officers are arrested in Brazil for the murders of Marielle Franco and her driver Anderson Gomes. One of the suspects was arrested at home, in a Rio de Janeiro gated community where President Jair Bolsonaro also resides. Franco was born in a Rio favela and became a politician and activist against violence in the slums, which are often controlled by paramilitary groups. Her assassination prompted widespread protests. (The Guardian) Suzano school shooting Two men, aged 17 and 25 years, attack a school in the Brazilian city of Suzano, São Paulo, with a revolver and a knife, killing eight and wounding 23 people, among students and staff. The two shooters committed suicide after the attack. Police have found a crossbow, Molotov cocktails and a "suitcase with wires" at the scene. (G1) Trials of Paul Manafort Former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort is sentenced to 3½ years for money-laundering and obstruction of justice. (The New York Times) Minutes after Manafort is sentenced in federal court, New York state prosecutors announce 16 criminal charges against him related to mortgage fraud, conspiracy and falsifying business records. (CNBC) Iranian human rights activist and lawyer Nasrin Sotoudeh, who won the Sakharov Prize in 2012, is sentenced to 38 years in prison for her defence of women who had been arrested after removing their hijabs. (The New York Times) Frank Cali, the reputed head of the Gambino crime family, is shot dead by an unknown assailant outside his home in Todt Hill, Staten Island, New York City. It is the first targeted killing of a mob boss in New York City since Paul Castellano was assassinated in 1985. (BBC News) Mexican authorities announce a national search operation is underway after revealing masked gunmen with a list of names stormed a bus on March 7 as it was traveling along a highway that connects the town of San Fernando with the city of Reynosa. The perpetrators kidnapped 19 people and they have not been seen since. (KTLA) Politics and elections Brexit negotiations The UK's parliament votes against a no-deal Brexit. This greatly increases the chance of a delayed Brexit, to be voted on Thursday, as well as opening the door to the possibility of a second referendum. (CBC) Science and technology A team of physicists at the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology, assisted by colleagues in Switzerland and the United States, successfully returns the state of a quantum computer a fraction of a second into the past. (Phys.org) (The Independent) Sports Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race Peter Kaiser wins the 2019, 1000-mile Iditarod, arriving in Nome in 9 days, 12 hours and 39 minutes. (Reuters)

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(Closed) RD: Harry Hughes

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Article: Harry Hughes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American politician and former Governor of Maryland (1979–1987) dies at age 92. Article needs a bit of work. Davey2116 (talk) 05:38, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose too much unreferenced material. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:33, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Closed) RD: Frank Cali

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Article: Frank Cali (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, NPR
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Gambino crime family boss shot and killed at age 53. Article needs lots of work. Davey2116 (talk) 15:25, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Many unsourced statements. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:12, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Weak oppose looks to have been substantially improved, but not quite there yet with the referencing. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:34, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Closed) 2019 Lagos school collapse

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Article: 2019 Lagos school collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A multistory resident/school building in Lagos, Nigeria collapses, killing at least eight and trapping numerous schoolchildren. (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, Guardian, AFP, AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This is clearly too short right now, but it will take some time for the details of the rescue attempts to come out. Masem (t) 02:09, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment – Not a real article yet. (AFP says search of ruins has ended with death toll at nine.) – Sca (talk) 12:52, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

AP on Friday puts death toll at 20. Sca (talk) 14:03, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment Would support if filled out. Currently a very stubby stub. Kingsif (talk) 07:12, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Still a stub. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:14, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Updated) Revisiting the existing Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 blurb

Articles: Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 (talk · history · tag) and 2019 Boeing 737 MAX groundings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following the fatal Lion Air Flight 610 and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 crashes, the FAA, EASA, other governmental aviation regulatory bodies and several airlines order grounding of most of the Boeing 737 MAX 8 fleet. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Boeing 737 MAX aircraft are grounded worldwide following the crash of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 with the loss of all 157 people on board.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Following the crash of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 with the loss of all 157 people on board, Boeing 737 MAX aircraft are grounded worldwide

Not really a new nomination, but as commented in the previous one, there was a suggest about the Boeing MAx 8 being grounded in response to the incident. Now, there was a valid concern that this was a few countries and not Boeing grounding them or some international organization. Just now, Trump says the FAA with agreement with Boeing are ordering all Boeing Max 8 + 9 planes grounded, which, between all the other countries with these still in the air, effectively grounds the entire fleet. [18]. I think that satisfies the concern of the previous nom, in that now it is appropriate to mention this as a response to the crash. --Masem (t) 18:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose proseline and flag salad. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:10, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support aircrafts crash sometimes, but such international ban of an aircarft is very rare.--Joseph (talk) 19:42, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support ALT blurb only - Significant development. Mjroots (talk) 19:45, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support ALT blurb per nominator. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:50, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support ALT blurb power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:52, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support ALT my concerns are now by-the-by since the grounding has the formal backing of several large aviation authorities, albeit not Boeing themselves. Much more substantive than a few airlines. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:14, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Altblurb I or II ... since the EU, the U.S. (on Trump's order) and Canada have joined countries grounding the 737-Max 8. It's still only a precaution, but in terms of impact it's significant. – Sca (talk) 20:18, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support ALT blurb only No reason to focus on U.S. and EU alone when the PRC (also home to two of the top 10 airlines by revenue) preceded them. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 20:26, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

That it's a U.S. plane is part of the equation, though. Sca (talk) 20:30, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality of the new target article. Support ALT blurb only, in principle. I do not mind most of the tables and later sections. But the section on "Regulatory response" must be changed to prose before we proceed.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:27, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

and the "Airlines" section which could be done with a few choice sentences.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:44, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

While I agree the airlines section could be a bit of prose, I do not agree that the regulatory agencies should be converted: these are all basically "X grounded the planes on date" form which would get extremely burdensome in prose (that's close to proseline problems). --Masem (t) 21:59, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

I disagree. Context and nuance is lost in a bulleted list. It is not as difficult as you say: "China was the first to ground MAX 8 on ... X, Y, Z quickly followed suit on the same day. A few hours later, A, B, C, annouced similar decisions. The following day.... E, F, E also announced similar measures. US, UK, and Vietnam? were the only remaining. On March 12, the United States....". Otherwise, the US being a hold-out is crucial information included in the lead that is not treated in the body. I like rALT2--- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:33, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Not sure about that. Can't easily see how that section would make good prose. Might even be an argument for making that a table as well. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Exactly. I'd compare that to the whole "begat" section of Genesis 5 in the Bible. Might be prose, but it would be extremely boring prose. It can be worth mentioning in a sentence lead the first few , but that's one sentence, not the entire list. --Masem (t) 23:16, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• I would prefer ALT2 to phrase it the other way round: Following the crash of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 with the loss of all 157 people on board, Boeing 737 MAX aircraft are grounded worldwide. The plane crash is still the main story, but the grounding is now a corollary to it. Obviously wait until other article up to snuff as well, per Coffeeandcrumbs.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:30, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support version suggested by Amakuru. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:32, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

  I am listing this as a second alternative blurb.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:54, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Updated Stephen 22:28, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Research paper on quantum computing

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Article: Arrow of time (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Scientists report the reversal of the quantum arrow of time. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Scientists report the experimental reversal of time in the state of a quantum computer.
News source(s): Nature, Phys.org, Newsweek, Independent
Credits:

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: While the estimated probability for an electron and the actual time for it are small, the experiment was published in Nature and received significant coverage. Brandmeister^talk 17:45, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose only on article quality grounds. The target article requires an update to answer the question: "why are posting today?" The article also requires an upgrade in referencing. I will try to help this evening when I have time. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:35, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

The target article is irredeemable in any timely manner. Large portions were plagiarized directly from a few select books and it doesn't even give them the minimum level of respect by citing them.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 05:38, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose this is fake news as written. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:31, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Added altblurb. Brandmeister^talk 22:16, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support very interesting (although this technique is not going to raise the dead, mend broken coffee cups, or send us back to yesterday so we can make a killing on today's stock markets), plus it's making the news. Banedon (talk) 22:35, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose not the top story in any of the major media outlets, will likely be forgotten within the next few days. 2600:1015:B058:9A84:907C:F100:31A5:93DE (talk) 23:14, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose but I feel this is a case where DYK should accept interesting scientific discoveries that are in the news but not significant enough for posting. --Masem (t) 23:17, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment I've adjusted the heading here to be more descriptive. power~enwiki (π, ν) 23:30, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose, lay media falls for a sciency gimmick again. Abductive (reasoning) 06:49, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per Abductive's "don't believe the hype!!". Let's not get sucked into becoming The Daily Mail... The Rambling Man (talk) 07:29, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) Suzano Massacre

Article: Suzano Massacre (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Two gunmen invade a school in Suzano, São Paulo, Brazil, killing at least 8 people. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by SirEdimon (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The article has just been created and therefore is a stub with several issues. The event just happened a few hours ago, so many information are still unknown. It's a very rare event in Brazil and very significative too. SirEdimon (talk) 17:24, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Needs a neutral title, typically would be '(school name) shooting'. --Masem (t) 17:35, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Dunblane Massacre (school shooting), Tumeremo massacre (Latin American mass shooting)? I think Massacre is a suitable precedent. Kingsif (talk) 19:09, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
    • It's already been moved to Professor Raul Brasil State School shooting.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:22, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
      • It should be moved back, because a quick search will show you that it's called the Suzano massacre in Portuguese sources and the Suzano shooting in English sources; the school name is barely mentioned in most sources of any language. Kingsif (talk) 19:28, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Cleaned article up, still short but at least has important details. Kingsif (talk) 19:45, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support ... pending expansion. Guardian says eight victims and two gunmen dead. (Two sources added.) – Sca (talk) 20:07, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

PS: 2019 Brazil school shooting would be a better, more generalized title, IMO. Sca (talk) 20:11, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

(quick search) yes, that is widely used. My one issue is a nitpicky thing - Brazil is a BIG country, and Suzano is a city of something like 300,000 already: it would be a little Western-centric (non-specific) to refer to it by the country, especially since most major English news sources at least narrow it down to Sao Paulo. Kingsif (talk) 21:09, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Suzano may be a sizeable city, but (in my journalism experience) it's not a headline word outside Brazil. – Sca (talk) 13:00, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Taking title debate to the talk page if you want to join. Kingsif (talk) 21:10, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support Noteworthy when this happens outside the U.S. (regerettably) Daniel Case (talk) 22:40, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Sturm (talk) 00:19, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Stub. Notable when it happens IN the USA too, like it or not. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:55, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality grounds. Almost all the article is a breathless narrative of the event, not an encyclopaedia article detailing the background, circumstances, significance, etc. Thryduulf (talk) 11:03, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per Thryduulf - it is not in an encyclopedic tone and needs a complete re-write.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:26, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support but only after we improve the article. It does have a lot of issues. A school shooting is always notable no matter where it happens, especially one with 10+ deaths. - Alumnum (talk) 16:43, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - The article was greatly updated. Article is not longer a stub. About the background, it's hard to write about it as many details about the perpetrators are still unknown.--SirEdimon (talk) 22:52, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
• Marked as ready - It's been expanded quite a bit in the last day, and I've just spent some time copyediting it to standards. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:49, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. Spencer^T•C 23:59, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Remove: Battle of Baghuz Fawqani

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Article: Battle of Baghuz Fawqani (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Battle of Baghuz Fawqani isn't sufficiently important to leave in ongoing. With Brexit, the Algeria situation, and the Venezuela situation, we don't have room on the front page for this. power~enwiki (π, ν) 15:14, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose I don't see why there is no room. That said, if we must choose... the battle is likely to be far more consequential than the protests in Algeria. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:33, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Remove not headline news anymore (never really was) and it's getting one update a day with the daily body count. This battle is going to rage on forever. Blurb it when ISIL gives up. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:40, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Remove Should have never been up in the first place. Blurb when their done, not ongoing because it's getting close. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:51, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose it's still seeing coverage. All the things that are on ongoing are going to continue for a while, so that's not a reason to remove. Keep it there and blurb it when it's done. Banedon (talk) 20:01, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose, article still being updated. That is the metric these things are decided on. Abductive (reasoning) 06:50, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Well it also has to be "In the news" --LaserLegs (talk) 00:17, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. It is in the news every day. A hook should be prepared soon. wumbolo ^^^ 13:22, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Associated Press reporting now: "US-backed forces admit to 'difficulties' beating IS in Syria". wumbolo ^^^ 17:00, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

"Gabriel said the camp was approximately 0.25 square kilometers in size — much the same area it was five weeks ago, when the SDF said it was finally going to conclude the battle." GreatCaesarsGhost 11:29, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Appended) 2019 Venezuelan blackout

Article: 2019 Venezuelan blackout (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Jamez42 (talk · give credit)
• Created by EdgarCabreraFariña (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Nationwide blackout that so far is six days long. 26 deaths attributed to the blackout according to last estimate. Jamez42 (talk) 15:00, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support Biggest blackout in Venezuelan history - close to nobody has any water or power - and almost definitely not directly part of the crisis already in ongoing before anyone mentions that. Kingsif (talk) 15:06, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose this is not an article, it's a news story. It should be a section on 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis. That article is already on the main page - don't post duplicates. power~enwiki (π, ν) 15:07, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

  Amendment I will support a blurb if someone else writes it. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:33, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

  • Because a blackout is caused by political disputes, definitely not a country that hasn't funded its electrical infrastructure for 5 years. Did you not read my comment? Kingsif (talk) 15:29, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

  Comment This isn't a news story, this is the longest and largest blackout in Latin America, not only in Venezuela, and it is ongoing, as well as having international coverage. I was thinking about suggesting, if possible and if other editors agree, with replacing the presidential crisis article with this. It can be discussed if the former article should be restored afterwards. --Jamez42 (talk) 15:27, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

  Why remove the presidential crisis, though? More than one thing can be ongoing in the same country at once. Surprising, I know. Kingsif (talk) 15:31, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

  Only if other editors consider it convenient. I would love that both articles are included, but others may not see it practical, which is why I see the replacement as a hypothetical solution. --Jamez42 (talk) 15:40, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose article is not comprehensive. What is the affected region (article says "most") and what is the cause ("sabotage" of what? crumbling what?). If this does get posted it should be as a one-off blurb not another Venezuela themed ongoing entry --LaserLegs (talk) 17:34, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Either 22 or 18 states, out of 23, depending on who you listen to; and there was an entire section on Cause at the time you posted that comment. Perhaps it would be better as a blurb, but when? When it's over? Kingsif (talk) 18:54, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
    • Well it's 22 or 18? Feels like we need to know the extent to be minimally comprehensive. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:05, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
      • Would you like to ask people from every state of a country without electricity or phone service? Or get the politicians to agree how bad it is? Getting accurate news out of official Venezuelan sources is hard at the best of times, putting up all the information we know is at least close and accurate. Kingsif (talk) 19:47, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
        • All I know is that articles posted to ITN have to be "minimally comprehensive" and an article about a blackout that has more factoids about individual insignificant impacts of the blackout than it does details about the extent and cause is not "minimally comprehensive". Do the lights come back on in Caracas if we speedily post this crappy article to the main page? --LaserLegs (talk) 00:58, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
          • I'm not saying speedily post it, I was challenging your reason for opposing since it's something we may never know. Most reliable info is going to be certain newspaper spoke to some people. But collect it, you have a not-insignificant country without power and at least 40 dead because of it. The cause is explained, but I think the diagram is copyright so we can't get much more comprehensive there. Kingsif (talk) 03:41, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose "In general, articles are NOT posted to ongoing merely because they are related to events that are still happening. In order to be posted to ongoing, tarticle needs to be regularly updated with new, pertinent information." Other than bumping the death toll, what pertinent info could be added Thursday, Friday...? GreatCaesarsGhost 18:15, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per power~enwiki. This is clearly seeing ongoing coverage so it's a viable item, but we already have another entry on the same topic. One or the other - if we post this, we should remove the other entry about the presidential crisis. Banedon (talk) 19:58, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
  • If there was a sudden nationwide electrical blackout in the UK, would you remove Brexit to add it to ongoing? No, no you wouldn't. Kingsif (talk) 20:02, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
    • If there was a sudden nationwide electrical blackout in the UK with no connections to anything else, would I support it for ongoing? No, I wouldn't. This is only a potential item because it's tied to the presidential crisis. Banedon (talk) 20:17, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
      • I would have suggested it for a blurb, realistically. But there is the energy crisis in Venezuela (there's a lot of crises) and it could go on for a long time. If the UK had a week-long complete blackout, imagine. It would already be up there. Kingsif (talk) 21:32, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
        • Regardless, as long as the blackout is tied to the presidential crisis, I think there should only be one item. In the same way if the UK had a week-long blackout and the government blames "anti-Brexit activists" + news articles refer to it as such, that should not be posted as a separate item from the main Brexit article. Banedon (talk) 21:46, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
          • @Banedon: I would say that the presidential crisis is tied to the blackout, if you catch my meaning. The dispute has been ongoing for two months and most of its important events have happened: Maduro's inauguration, Guaido's oath, recognition by other countries, US sanctions and the shipping of humanitarian aid. Meanwhile, in a week a lot has happened with the blackout: Pinging @GreatCaesarsGhost:, deaths, lootings, shortages of food as well as water and fuel supplies, etc. If you ask me, I think the presidential crisis is on a second level now.--Jamez42 (talk) 22:47, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
            • I'm OK if we remove the presidential crisis article from ongoing and add this one on the blackout. Banedon (talk) 22:51, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
            • I'm not opposed to a blurb, I just think we're starting to lose sight of what is meant by the ongoing designation. This article was created today. If it rolls off and substantial events are still occurring, do the ongoing then. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:00, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment: I see there's a lot of disagreements here. Today I started a lootings section in the Spanish Wikipedia. If I recall correctly, one estimate of the economic losses was over $700 million. I invite anyone who wants to, for the time being, to translate while I include other sections, and if it seen better, I could nominate a blurb. In that case, I would be willing to withdraw the nomination of the option that wasn't agreed on. --Jamez42 (talk) 22:50, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
  • $875 million, according to the Ecoanalítica firm. --Jamez42 (talk) 23:24, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
    • These dollar estimates are always speculation in the end. Oppose any estimate of economic damages of the blackout in the blurb. power~enwiki (π, ν) 23:28, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't know how much disagreement I see. I see 12 edits of blind support from two not-exactly-objective editors, and 4 other editors who say we should probably post something but not TWO Venezuelan-specific ongoing stories that are probably not all that disconnected. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:08, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
    • I wouldn't say "blind", I'm just (admittedly forcefully) trying to get across that if this happened even in a city in the US it would be speedily posted, no question. To beat the horse a little more:
    • No power or water to Chicago? Would've been a blurb 5 days ago and put in Ongoing as soon as it fell off. The only connection between this and the presidential crisis is that they are both symptoms of the current Venezuelan government. Like Brexit and Trump can't cause a blackout, neither can Guaido challenging Maduro. It's a large scale event with a large impact, that's in the news, it's got to be against something at ITN to disagree on the basis of there's already something from that country, especially with a country that's got as much going on as Venezuela does. Like if nation X were hosting the World Cup and then one of their famous retired footballers died, you wouldn't not post it because it's from the same country and they're both related to football. The article may need some more (hard to get) info, but I feel scale has definitely been established. Kingsif (talk) 03:38, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment – We could add it as a parenthetical. I think it's been done before. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 07:48, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
  • I like this proposal. --Jamez42 (talk) 10:35, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment. Maybe just rename the ongoing item to "Venezuelan crisis". Abductive (reasoning) 07:49, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
  • That would defeat the purpose of ITN, which is to link readers to the article. We can't link to both that way. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 07:56, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
    • So your "parenthetical" would link to both? That would be fine, then. Abductive (reasoning) 08:01, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
      • Yep: Venezuelan presidential crisis (electrical blackout). --- Coffeeandcrumbs 08:33, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
      • The article doesn't draw a connection between the blackout and the presidential crisis so no, you can't just bolt it on after the presidential crisis in ongoing. Did Guaidó set fire to that brush just to discredit Maduro? Come on. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:44, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
        • @LaserLegs: Will you amend your reasoning for opposing. It appears the article has undergone a major copyedit and referencing. Your oppose seems strange now that the article is up to snuff. I am considering supporting a blurb since this is a not a directly related incident as you pointed out.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:11, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
          • Sure, the article is pretty good now, has several good paragraphs around the cause -- which is fuck all to do with the totally unrelated protests -- and should be a blurb just like the Indian, Italian and North American blackouts. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:29, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Appended to the existing ongoing item Stephen 22:36, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

March 12

Portal:Current events/2019 March 12

March 12, 2019 (2019-03-12) (Tuesday) Disasters and accidents Boeing 737 MAX groundings The European Union, Australia, India, Malaysia, Singapore, and Turkey ground all Boeing 737 MAX 8 jets. This means 40% of the global fleet is now grounded, with Indonesia, China and several airlines grounding their aircraft yesterday. Boeing states they will issue a software update for the model within weeks. (The Guardian) (BNO) (AFP) The sinking of the Grande America causes a 2,200 tonnes (4,900,000 lb) oil spill in the Bay of Biscay, France. (FreightWaves) (The Independent) International relations United States–Venezuela relations, Crisis in Venezuela The United States Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announces that the U.S. will be withdrawing all remaining diplomatic staff from Venezuela. The withdrawal follows televised remarks from Nicolás Maduro calling colectivos (paramilitary groups) to active resistance, and alleging that U.S. President Donald Trump masterminded the ongoing nationwide power blackout as part of a "demonic plot" to oust him, by crippling the country's electricity sector with an "electromagnetic attack". (The Guardian) (Infobae) In an annual report, the Estonian Foreign Intelligence Service warns that Russia will "very likely" try to intervene in European parliamentary elections this May to undermine unity within the European Union "by sowing disorder and disbelief" within and between the 28 European Union member states. (Sky News) Law and crime 2019 college admissions bribery scandal A college admission scheme across the United States results in the indictment of over 50 people including athletic coaches, CEOs, and two Hollywood actresses, accused of using bribery and fraud in order to cheat their children into universities such as Yale and Stanford. (CNN) (Reuters) Catholic Church sexual abuse cases Cardinal George Pell, the most senior official of the Catholic Church to be convicted of sexual abuse to date, is sentenced to six years in prison for the sexual assault of two children in the late 1990s. (CNN) Capital punishment in California It is reported that California Governor Gavin Newsom will sign an executive order placing a moratorium on the death penalty for all 737 inmates on California's death row, ensuring that no executions will take place while he is governor. (Los Angeles Daily News) Crisis in Venezuela, Censorship in Venezuela Prominent Venezuelan journalist Luis Carlos Díaz is released after being taken by SEBIN, the national intelligence service, on Monday; he has been ordered not to speak of his time in detention or publish anything. (The Guardian) Politics and elections 2019 Micronesian parliamentary election President Peter M. Christian is defeated for re-election to his at-large seat in Congress by David Panuelo. (Pacific Islands Times) Brexit negotiations The UK's parliament rejects Prime Minister Theresa May's Brexit deal by 149 votes. A vote for leaving the European Union without a deal is scheduled for the thirteenth of March. If Parliament rejects the decision to leave with no deal, the UK could request its withdrawal from the EU be postponed with the unanimous consent of the other 27 member states. (The New York Times)

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Ongoing: 2019 Algerian protests

Article: 2019 Algerian protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by EternalNomad (talk · give credit)
• Created by 2x2leax (talk · give credit)
• Updated by SashiRolls (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Protests "without parallel" since the Algerian Civil War. Incumbent president Abdelaziz Bouteflika said he would not run for a fifth term. EternalNomad (talk) 03:21, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Question The timeline updates run through March 8. So, doesn't that mean it's over, and not ongoing? – Muboshgu (talk) 03:24, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

updated with the student strikes on the 12th. Who knows what Friday will bring? I've finally finished the rework of the translation. SashiRolls ^{t · c} 00:10, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

So the "ongoing" nature of this is subject to WP:CRYSTAL then. Oppose per Stephen. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:27, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Isn't it always? Today, it looks like it was the teachers and the opposition urging continued action during the general strike. But yes, by all means check out the clouds in Stephen's crystal ball :) SashiRolls ^{t · c} 01:57, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support It's clear that those protests are going to change the Algerian politicis after the resignation of Bouteflika to continue in office. He can be considerated the last "authoritarian" leaders of Magreb countries after the falling of Mubarak, Gaddaffi and Ben Ali. It's seems that Algeria is going to open a new era...maybe. (talk) 01:36, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

  Oppose ongoing, support blurb Um...not exactly the "last." GreatCaesarsGhost 00:16, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support it's WP:CRYSTAL to speculate this might cause a second Arab Spring - but this is a high-profile ongoing crisis for the government of Algeria. power~enwiki (π, ν) 15:08, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support per Alsoriano97. Banedon (talk) 19:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose seems to have petered out with students only protesting every Tuesday Stephen 01:22, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support -- it obviously did not "peter out". (General strike since Sunday, Monday: Bouteflika (just back from the hospital in Geneva) drops out of the election and cancels the election, and dissolves the government; Tuesday: student protest, Wednesday: teachers demonstrate, Thursday: doctors, lawyers demonstrate, Friday: hundreds of thousands in the streets of the major cities (larger than the largest Yellow vests protests, which were on the front page for nearly a month). Is there some bias against Africa by any chance? SashiRolls ^{t · c} 19:28, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

The article has no material updates on activity past a student protest on the 12th.Stephen 21:27, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

• Updated. §§
• and reupdated (to 17 March). I apologize for upsetting you by moving this up to 15 March because of the rather large demonstrations. In the nomination you deleted, I did express the hope that "knowledgeable readers" would come and add some info. I'd thought this might happen were it on the front page. A "smile revolution" might be a nice counterpoint to the blazes on the Champz E-lézée, don't you think? SashiRolls ^{t · c} 23:54, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Not seeing continuous updates to the article at 2019_Algerian_protests#9–16_March. Spencer^T•C 22:18, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Sheesh, I'd just finished a long week of work. Maybe if it had been on the front page when it was front page news everywhere else (12 March), it would have been updated more rapidly. In point of fact, though, the entry has been updated with 14-15 March, and has grown from 41.1K to 52.4K (about 25%) since 12 March. SashiRolls ^{t · c} 23:54, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) 2019 college admissions bribery scandal

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Article: 2019 college admissions bribery scandal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the United States, 50 people are indicted in a college admissions bribery scandal. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
• Created by Another Believer (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This is an interesting story - rich people bribing to get their kids into college. 50 people indicted, including Felicity Huffman, Lori Loughlin, and Mossimo Giannulli. Some college coaches have been fired. Students might get charged. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:10, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Interesting but no significant long term impact; furthermore, indictments generally aren't posted at ITN, and sentencing for all of those indicted (if they indeed end up being sentenced) would likely occur at a variety of different times. Seems like something better suited for DYK. Spencer^T•C 04:34, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per Spencer. They said it all. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:35, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose better suited to another place. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:23, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Like that suggested for the Brexiteers. – Sca (talk) 12:36, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose There are zillions of similar bribery scandals in many countries of the world. I'd have even questioned its notability had it happened in one of the least corrupted countries such like New Zealand or Finland.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support doomed I know but it's in the news, the article is ok, and the fact that it's a coordinated scheme involving numerous top ranking universities in a country not known for this kind of corruption is what makes it interesting. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:20, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Reporting on this has been so lurid, we have the opportunity to provide real value by organizing the facts in an encyclopedic manner. The broader topic of college admissions (and its seedy underbelly) has global interest. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:40, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Per above two supports. Sherenk1 (talk) 12:19, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – Lives of the rich and (in)famous. – Sca (talk) 12:35, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose "Rich people flex their wealth for their own ends". ——SerialNumber54129 12:41, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

"Bankers’ nieces seek perfection / expecting all the gifts that wise men bring." – Sca (talk) 13:24, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose It's not really notable outside USA. In Spain we also had that kind of scandals involving high-class politicians, it is happening everywhere. Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:41, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - What goes around comes around. The only thing notable about this is that these people got caught doing it.--WaltCip (talk) 13:07, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support An interesting story which I think our readers will be looking for, and the article is fine.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:16, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support 50 high profile people are going to jail over this... how is this not news?! I don’t care if this is the plot of The Perfect Score or a hypothetical Shameless episode. How much more significant coverage does a story need? NY Times. LA Times. Washington Post. NBC. CNN. USA Today. Fox News. Vanity Fair. Even ESPN.... Trillfendi (talk) 14:33, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Indictment ≠ going to jail. Spencer^T•C 14:40, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Eh, I jumped the gun there; I saw some article that people were facing 3 years in jail if convicted in a trial. The justice system should play out. Trillfendi (talk) 15:20, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• • @Spencer and Trillfendi:, two of the accused are now convicted as they have pled guilty. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:23, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose They've been charged, but not convicted. Unless we were talking extremely high level political figures involved with this, this can wait until the conviction of the ringleader. --Masem (t) 14:37, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• I think it's still a scandal whether they get convicted or not. Since there's nobody named, I don't think the legal position has too much to do with it. Scandals are big whatever the weight behind it. Kingsif (talk) 15:02, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• What I meant about the political side is that we'd likely post if this was a figure like the president, vice-president, speaker of the house, or a Supreme Court justice, as that's affecting the way the country is ruled. As we are talking mostly celebrities and business people in this, that doesn't affect the larger scale, so we should not post the arrests, but wait for conviction. --Masem (t) 15:15, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• I see that. But I think even if there were no arrests let alone convictions, it would still be making news right now, no? There's a chance that by the time any actual convictions happen, the scandal will be over, and I wouldn't support posting based on old news. Kingsif (talk) 15:57, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Masem, two of the ringleaders have pled guilty. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:22, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

  Still not a conviction, and pleading guilty greases settlement details. --Masem (t) 17:36, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support per above Kingsif (talk) 15:02, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose for multiple reasons. We shouldn't be posting indictments of BLPs here before a conviction occurs. power~enwiki (π, ν) 15:15, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

  Power~enwiki, two of the accused are convicted. They have pled guilty. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:22, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

  Why is it a BLP vio to post the WP:Verifiable fact that they've been charged? If it's a BLP vio, it needs to come off the project ASAP not just shunned from the main page. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:35, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

I think power-enwiki means we shouldn't be putting an item about criminal charges against a notable person on the Main Page (unless, I would except, the person is a head of state or government or some large NGO, per Masem above). Articles are a different thing; major criminal charges against a notable person are notable. Daniel Case (talk) 18:14, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose, this is not internationally notable. Daniel Case (talk) 18:14, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

  Daniel Case, Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Please_do_not... ... "oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." – Muboshgu (talk) 20:22, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

@Muboshgu: Why did you pick on me for this when quite a few other people posted this exact rationale for their opposes without drawing your comments? What makes me so special? Hmm ... Daniel Case (talk) 22:38, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Daniel Case, because I didn't notice the others. And you are special to me. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:35, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per Alsoriano97. Banedon (talk) 19:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Notable story and the article is extraordinarily good. Most of the !opposes are invalid because they claim this "relates only to one country". Davey2116 (talk) 01:13, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per Spencer. Even if this is notable (and I'm unconvinced) we would post at the time of conviction per BLP. Thryduulf (talk) 11:07, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted to ongoing) Brexit negotiations

Article: Brexit negotiations (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Renzo Nieland (talk · give credit) and 2601:447:4101:5780:90ae:1bb6:4295:982f (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This was removed in January, but it's once again in the news, especially after the latest vote. One can practically guarantee that there'll be more news about this in the upcoming days, so nominating for ongoing. Banedon (talk) 22:56, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

• Wait there are two more votes this week and we can blurb the outcome which is more fitting I think. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:26, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

I don't think waiting for 2 more votes and a blurb is a good idea, because people are already interested in the matter now, and the 2 votes will likely leave things as unclear as ever (short or long delay, for what purpose, etc), and our blurb is liable to mislead our readers: for instance we are quite likely to give them the impression that Brexit has been postponed, only to embarrassingly discover 2 weeks later that it hasn't, either because one of the EU 27 vetoes the postponement, or because British law (which currently mandates Brexit on March 29) isn't amended on time, via devices such as filibusters and clever time-wasting amendments in the Commons and/or the Lords, etc ... Tlhslobus (talk) 01:41, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

We'd blurb that parliament voted to ask for an extension. Nothing official happens until the EU votes to grant it or not, so ongoing seems a bit embarrassing for a process that will have stalled again after Thursday. I'll put my blurb proposal up for a meaningful vote, frankly it's the best deal possible. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:10, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support - There'll be plenty of news regarding this theme during the coming days. I think we can post it as "ongoing" and, in the future, eventually post the outcome as a blurb.--SirEdimon (talk) 23:35, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Ongoing - Support Ongoing on notability, at least in principle. I'll leave others to decide on quality. But it's not entirely clear whether this is the right target article, as most of the new info seems to be going into Meaningful vote (which is currently the subject of a name change discussion), and incidentally that was why Brexit (NOT Brexit negotiations) got removed from ongoing in January (perhaps wrongly, at least in my view, as I unsuccessfully argued at the time, tho in the end I decided not to bother to open a new nomination of Meaningful vote for Ongoing at the time). I've now wikilinked Brexit negotiations to Meaningful vote (which was previously only wikilinked from Brexit), and maybe that will help a bit. Meanwhile I've also explained above why I don't think waiting for 2 more votes and a blurb is a good idea. Tlhslobus (talk) 01:42, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Ongoing in general, but keeping in mind that the 29th(?) is the deadline, we may want to wait for week or two week point. Not that the vote today is not a significant point, but yes, now we seem to be in rush mode on this. --Masem (t) 02:47, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Honestly, I don't think this "thing" will gonna end on March 29.--SirEdimon (talk) 03:13, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support ongoing because it is heating up as March marches on. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:07, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support ongoing this is going to run and run, at least for the next few days. It's obviously of high importance to hundreds of millions of people. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:25, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted to ongoing Stephen 08:06, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Post posting support This is a crisis. A large crisis. In fact, if you got a moment, it's a twelve-storey crisis with a magnificent entrance hall, carpeting throughout, 24-hour portage, and an enormous sign on the roof, saying "This Is a Large Crisis". Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:54, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

LOL, Ritchie, but I supported it, and now you're making me have my doubts - if it needs an enormous sign on the roof to tell us it's a large crisis, surely that's prima facie evidence that's it's really only a tiny crisis desperately using expensive advertising to try to convince us that it's much bigger than it looks Tlhslobus (talk) 20:36, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

• Post-posting support as an American. I considered nominating this last night, but preferred to let the British editors endorse it first. The votes this week (and up through the scheduled exit date later this month) will be news. This is now an active issue that should be on Ongoing. power~enwiki (π, ν) 15:10, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Post-posting support - This is the biggest news story of the year so far, bar none.--WaltCip (talk) 17:01, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment it's posted already, with nearly universal support, I'm not sure what "post-posting support" is adding at this point. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:54, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment I'm not sure what your comment is adding at this point, either. Banedon (talk) 19:54, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

March 11

Portal:Current events/2019 March 11

March 11, 2019 (2019-03-11) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Battle of Baghuz Fawqani, International military intervention against ISIL US-backed Syrian forces resume their offensive on the final enclave controlled by ISIL in Syria at Baghuz. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera) Business and economy Economy of Turkey The Turkish economy enters a recession for the first time since 2009 after the currency and debt crisis of 2018. (BBC News) (Bloomberg) The United Kingdom announces it will abolish the Financial Reporting Council, which regulates the nation's accounting industry, after it was criticised by an independent review following the collapse of several large organisations. It is to be replaced by the Audit, Reporting and Governance Authority featuring increased powers and new leaders. (Sky News) Disasters and accidents Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 Shares of Boeing lose roughly 9 percent after one of its best-selling planes, the Boeing 737 MAX jet, saw its second deadly crash in less than five months. (CNBC) China and Indonesia ground 737-8 MAX aircraft across their nations in response to the Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 and Lion Air Flight 610 disasters; airlines elsewhere including Ethiopian Airlines voluntarily ground their own 737 MAX jets. (The Independent) HMS Argyll rescues a 27-strong crew from a burning container vessel 150 miles off the coast of France. (BBC News) International relations Iran–Iraq relations Iranian President Hassan Rouhani begins his first official visit to Iraq to boost bilateral ties and trade amid re-instated U.S. sanctions on Iran. (BBC News) U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham visits the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, saying he will start an effort to recognize the Golan as part of the State of Israel. (The Times of Israel) Law and crime Mixed martial artist Conor McGregor is arrested in Miami Beach, Florida, on charges of robbery and criminal mischief. (LowKick MMA) Politics and elections Crisis in Venezuela 2019 Venezuelan blackout Partially-recognized Venezuelan Acting President Juan Guaidó says the country has "truly collapsed already", while accusing the Nicolás Maduro-led government of murdering 17 people during the ongoing nationwide power blackout. (CNN) 2019 Algerian protests Algerian President Abdelaziz Bouteflika says he will postpone the country's elections next month, and will not seek a fifth term in office. (Al Jazeera) Prime Minister of Algeria Ahmed Ouyahia resigns after Bouteflika's speech. He is replaced by Noureddine Bedoui. (Jeune Afrique) Actor and former Minister of Culture Salvador del Solar is appointed new Prime Minister of Peru. (El País)

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(Posted) RD: Xing Shizhong

Article: Xing Shizhong (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Paper
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Zanhe (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is fully sourced. Zanhe (talk) 07:05, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support good enough. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:30, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support - Good enough for me.--SirEdimon (talk) 07:31, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. Thryduulf (talk) 11:09, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Antônio Wilson Vieira Honório

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Article: Antônio Wilson Vieira Honório (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Lance!, Xinhua
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by SirEdimon (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian football legend. The article is in bad shape, but I intend to improve it in the next few hours. --SirEdimon (talk) 01:35, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment - I fixed all the dead links and ref issues and updated the article.--SirEdimon (talk) 04:17, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
  • I included more information.--SirEdimon (talk) 23:31, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
• Needs a little prose on the managerial career, I would think. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:23, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment needs a little tone copyedit, we don't normally note a partnership as "mythical" for instance (well not in Wikipedia's own voice). The Rambling Man (talk) 15:35, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Tried to resolve the tone problem. 72.94.18.179 (talk) 21:29, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Hal Blaine

Article: Hal Blaine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, Billboard
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ritchie333 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the most prolific session musicians in the history of popular music; only Carol Kaye comes close in my opinion. Probably played on more hits than The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and The Beach Boys put together (notwithstanding he is on some of the Beach Boys biggest hits like "Good Vibrations"). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:03, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support. The article is looking good. Nohomersryan (talk) 02:00, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:41, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

March 10

Portal:Current events/2019 March 10

March 10, 2019 (2019-03-10) (Sunday) Disasters and accidents Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 An Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX 8 from Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, with 149 passengers and eight crew members onboard crashes en route to Nairobi, Kenya, killing all 157 persons on board. (BBC News) Politics and elections 2019 Guatemalan general election Guatemalan political party Semilla proclaims Thelma Aldana as presidential candidate and Jonathan Menkos as vice presidential candidate. (El Periódico de Guatemala) Internet censorship in Russia Thousands of Russians take to the streets in Moscow, Voronezh, and Khabarovsk to protest internet restrictions. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Kelly Catlin

Article: Kelly Catlin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Guardian, St. Paul Pioneer Press
Credits:

• Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
• Updated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First nominated by Count Iblis. Improved by me from a stub to a start class article with everything sourced. One of America’s finest and most remarkable cyclists (as per Guardian). Died on 8 March, but death reported on 10 March DBigXrayᗙ 11:25, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose stub. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:58, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

• The Rambling Man the article has got several improvements since you first commented. Please see if it is good to go now. --DBigXrayᗙ 12:17, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support. Has been expanded with sources. Looks good now. Regards SoWhy 12:02, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@DBigXray: Already proposed under March 8 header. Regards SoWhy 12:04, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

• User:SoWhy Thanks for pinging me, I have merged both nominations. Apology for the double nomination, the talk page did not had {{ITN Note}} and I did not check the 8 March header. --DBigXrayᗙ 12:17, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

• Weak Support Really not much more than a stub, but probably not much more that can be expanded.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:10, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
• Weak Support - just over stub level. But sufficientz so posting seems ok.BabbaQ (talk) 16:47, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support – The article could be expanded, as coverage has been widespread [19] [20], but even as is it's worth RD due to the unusual circumstances. – Sca (talk) 16:58, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
• Weak Support - article has been expanded, still very short but adequate. -Zanhe (talk) 17:41, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Now that some basic expansion has been done, and everything is sourced. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 20:47, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 21:44, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks User:Stephen can someone give the credits ? regards. --DBigXrayᗙ 03:59, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

•  Done by Stephen. --DBigXrayᗙ 05:18, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Ronnie O'Sullivan reaches 1,000 century breaks

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Article: Ronnie O'Sullivan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ronnie O'Sullivan becomes the first snooker player to compile 1,000 competitive century breaks. (Post)
News source(s): Eurosport, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Kiril Simeonovski (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This is really a huge milestone and something that no-one has even closely approached in the sport before. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:31, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

This is a very brave nomination. – Sca (talk) 21:51, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

I personally admire such sport achievements and find it highly convenient to have them as a fine encyclopedic material on the main page. We posted Sachin Tendulkar's 100th cricket century in March 2012 and Magnus Carlsen's all-time record-breaking FIDE rating in January 2013, so why not give this the same accolade and refresh the ITN section with something really interesting? That's primarily why I decided to go for it.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:15, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per the Peyton Manning principle. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:08, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@Muboshgu: It's not the same. We also didn't post when Ronnie O'Sullivan overtook Stephen Hendry's record but having set a higher-digit milestone is far more notable. I'd like to see another nomination of someone achieving 1,000 touchdowns and would be glad to support it.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:21, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality. The Career section of Ronnie O'Sullivan was forked without leaving a summary. It is essentially missing. Century break does not contain a sufficient update.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:23, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per Muboshgu, and I don't think the 2012 and 2013 nominations should've been posted either. Banedon (talk) 01:17, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Notable achievement in the sport and article is in good shape. I support us when we post personal achievements at a high level. Capitalistroadster (talk) 08:07, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose individual records outside of the most exceptional circumstances (Jack's majors, Hank's HRs). I also find it conspicuous how many of the leaders are active. Implies the century is easier to get that it used to be. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:32, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Not necessarily, it may just imply that players are getting better. Similar improvements happen in other sports such as athletics, tho quite likely they may sometimes be drug-assisted. But you're probably right about snooker, because there are more professional events now (a century may still be as difficult, but there are now more opportunities to try to get one). Tlhslobus (talk) 02:58, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose it's certainly an achievement, but not, particularly, one with global resonance. ——SerialNumber54129 11:43, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

"Global resonance" is not a requirement for posting on ITN. (WaltCip, logged out) --128.227.165.102 (talk) 11:52, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

It's a synonym for bleedin' "significant" :p ——SerialNumber54129 12:12, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per everybody else. Apart from anything else, centuries in snooker are normally an irrelevant sideshow - (unlike centuries in cricket, for instance) it normally makes no difference to the match result whether your break ends around 90 or goes on to 100 and more. Indeed deliberately missing a pot around 90 may actually help you win by ensuring you waste less energy, etc. Tlhslobus (talk) 02:58, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose the article on Ronnie O'Sullivan is commendably improved compared to December, but this isn't important enough. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:48, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: William Powers Jr.

Article: William Powers Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Texas Tribune
Credits:

• Nominated by EternalNomad (talk · give credit)
• Updated by DannyS712 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Two cn tags, but otherwise seems good to go. EternalNomad (talk) 19:34, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support up to quality standards, both cn tags fixed --DannyS712 (talk) 02:55, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 21:55, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302

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Article: Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ All 157 people on board are killed as Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 (aircraft involved pictured) crashes shortly after take-off from Addis Ababa for Nairobi, Kenya. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ China and others halt Boeing 737 MAX 8 flights after the crash of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 (aircraft pictured), which killed all 157 people on board.
News source(s): (ITN), AP, BBC, Guardian
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Breaking news. Casualties reported amongst 157 on board. Brand new aircraft (4 mo old). Feel free to update blurb as details become known Mjroots (talk) 09:23, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support. Casualties are being reported from reliable sources. Article is in reasonable shape.Capitalistroadster (talk) 09:36, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Now confirmed all 157 on board killed. Mjroots (talk) 10:31, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Sad news. Article looks good. Sherenk1 (talk) 10:44, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Article seems fine. Seems strangely similar to Lion Air Flight 610. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:48, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Major news.[21] --- Coffeeandcrumbs 10:55, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment I'm a lousy prose writer but the whole "aircraft" section makes the MAX 8 sound like a flying death trap. "second fatal crash" ... "Only 350". It needs to be made more neutral. Unlike our usual disaster stubs, if there is an issue with the 737 this is actually interesting and significant. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:12, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
  • I've added a bit from Flight International backing up worries that there may be an issue. Both 737 MAXs were lost shortly after take-off. No evidence atm that there is a link, but there is certainly speculation that there may be a link. Mjroots (talk) 12:47, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support looks good and much of the press reporting surrounds the MAX 8 so the coverage is not undue. Good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:20, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support – No. 1 story (three sources added). – Sca (talk) 13:31, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 14:13, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Great, just the image and paperwork to do now. Mjroots (talk) 14:50, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Trouble ahead for Boeing and airlines who have bought the MAX 8: "The MAX 8 could be grounded if a link is found -- either by the company itself, or by governments, though the former is more likely to come first, Schiavo says. "The voluntary basis is always the better way to go -- but it will be expensive for Boeing."" Count Iblis (talk) 01:35, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
  • 'China halts Boeing 737 Max 8 flights. Count Iblis (talk) 03:58, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment I think given the hot water Boeing is in over this, we may want to modify the blurb slightly, something like "China and others halt Boeing 737 Max 8 flights after the second fatal crash of one, Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302, killed all 157 people aboard." --Masem (t) 14:41, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

  I agree - the grounding is a significant part of the story now.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:07, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

  Agree. Maybe China knows something the rest of the world doesn't. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:17, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

   Done Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 16:44, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment Some of the groundings may apply to all 737 MAX, not just the MAX 8 variant. Not clear that only the MAX 8 is affected, although it was involved in the two crashes. 72.94.18.179 (talk) 19:58, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

  So while the current blurb is not actually wrong, it may be lacking quite a significant detail? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:10, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

  From what I'm reading, some nations/airlines are grounding all MAX series, but the main reaction has been to ground just the MAX 8 due to the similarities with Lion Air (when it happened, how it crashed, etc.). I think for brevity that we just have to say "grounded the Max 8 planes", and not worry about the edge cases. --Masem (t) 20:22, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

  • Both the Lion Air and the Ethopian air crashes have been preliminarily tied to the MCAS system which is a new feature on the MAX 8. But that's the preliminarily findings, nothing conclusive. We do now have an article on 2019 Boeing 737 MAX crisis which we might want to link. --Masem (t) 20:07, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

    I've linked that article. Don't think it should be bolded though, the crash is still the main story.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:16, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment Can somebody (User:Mjroots?) please pull the current blurb and rephrase it to (something like) this: "All 157 people on board are killed as Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 (aircraft involved pictured) crashes shortly after take-off. Ethiopia, Indonesia, China and other countries ground the Boeing 737 MAX 8 model in response to this and the recent Lion Air Flight 610 crash. The current blurb is problematic in all sorts of ways. The crash itself is obviously the primary focus of the story but the way the current blurb written gives the reader the impression that the grounding of the jets is the main part of the story - which is clearly isn't. Secondly there's no mention of the Indonesian crash which provides the backstory to all of this; without mentioning the context the reader is going wonder why there was/is such a strong reaction to the crash. And finally there is the problem of bias/lack of proportionality/just bad judgment here, the blurb is leading off with China when Ethiopia (and for that matter Indonesia) is the country that is most affected by the crash. I am okay with mentioning other countries that grounded the plane but it just doesn't make sense to lead off that part of the blurb with any country other than Ethiopia (which it should also be noted was the first country to ground the plane). Syopsis (talk) 20:42, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
  • First, by linking to the Boeing Max 8 Crisis article, the context of why planes are being grounded is established, as it mentions the Lion Air crash there. Secondly, we need to stay concise in the text blurb. The fact that a more concise blurb seems to delegate the "focus" to the back half of a sentence, is not really a concern. We're not "burying the lede" to speak. --Masem (t) 21:15, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment the original posted hook should be restored. We should not (as noted above) apply our own personal opinion of direct causality between this singular incident and the suspension of aircraft. There's too much backstory for us to make that postulation on the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:51, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
  • User:The Rambling Man The backstory is the Indonesia crash, but the problem is that isn't even mentioned in the current blurb. That said, we can both agree it just has to go as it has got all sorts of problem with it. Syopsis (talk) 20:58, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
    • Yes, I'm fully commensurate with the backstory, which is why I stated clearly that rewriting and posting this blurb as it had been was patent original research. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
      • talk I propose this blurb tell me if this would work: "All 157 people on board are killed as Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 (aircraft involved pictured) crashes shortly after take-off. Ethiopia, Indonesia, China and other countries ground the Boeing 737 MAX 8 model in response to this and the recent Lion Air Flight 610 crash.Syopsis (talk) 21:11, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
        • No, far too long, we don't post multi-sentence blurbs. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:19, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
          • talk The current blurb is multi-sentence it's almost 3 sentences long. That said I propose this blurb tell me if this would work: "Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 (aircraft involved pictured) crashes with no survivors; Ethiopia, Indonesia, China and other countries ground the Boeing 737 MAX 8 model in response to this and the recent Lion Air Flight 610. Syopsis (talk) 21:25, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
            • • No, and actual fact, just a handful have grounded it, many many other airlines haven't. If Boeing themselves recommended grounding it, I'd be up for an adjusted blurb, but they haven't and right now given more haven't grounded than have, it's not really that notable. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:28, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
                • There is widespread coverage of the grounding, it's almost as important as the crash itself. And fwiw since you are talking about Boeing there's already been financial ramifications for copmpany as a result of this (and the Indonesian) crash. Syopsis (talk) 21:35, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
                  • Of course, goes without saying, but the point here is that we have far more airlines continuing to the fly the aircraft type than grounding it. And Boeing saying pretty much nothing. Once again, if Boeing ground them, I'm all in for a blurb change. Until then, the handful of airlines who have grounded it just amounts to caution and risk aversion with (currently) no evidence. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:37, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
                    • Well in that case there's no point in continuing this debate. The numbers thing is irrelevant the main point is we go by what the news sources are saying and a big part of the focus is now on the reaction to the crash - such as the countries/airlines that have grounded the plane. Syopsis (talk) 21:46, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
                      • No, and indeed that completely trivialises the fact that the main story here is the death of more than 150 people. Subsequent corporate actions are interesting, but trivial in comparison. If Boeing say there's a design flaw which is directly responsible, I'm all ears. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:49, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
  • There's no OR in the claims that the grounding of the MAX 8 is due to this crash. Ethiopian Airlines clearly announced their grounding as a result of the crash [22], for example. And most RSes have clearly made the connection for us that groundings were ordered due to the crash. --Masem (t) 21:24, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
    • t I propose this blurb tell me if this would work: "Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 (aircraft involved pictured) crashes with no survivors; Ethiopia, Indonesia, China and other countries ground the Boeing 737 MAX 8 model in response to this and the recent Lion Air Flight 610. Syopsis (talk) 21:28, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
    • I think you'll find that the reason for grounding after multiple crashes of the same type of aircraft usually depends on more than just one crash. That is most certainly the case here. The grounding is as a result of multiple incidents. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:27, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
      • The blurb wasn't stating the reason, it was stating that the grounding was ordered after the crash, which is factually true, requiring no OR. Now, I think readers are intelligent to be aware that once they know of the previous Lion Air crash of the same plane, they can figure out that the rataionle to ground we due to both crashes, but no airline (that I can easily determine) have made that statement specifically - that's what the media clearly implies though. --Masem (t) 21:36, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
        • No, whether intended or not, the hook was placing direct causality between this singular crash and the grounding, the grounding which incidentally is purely out of caution and risk aversion, not because Boeing says it should happened, the grounding which incidentally has impacted a handful of airlines while plenty of other operators are carrying on regardless. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:40, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
          • It has grounded about a 3rd of the total MAX 8 fleet out there (350 total, with China having the most at around 96). However, I do understand where you're coming from, that the individual countries or airlines ordering the ground is different than if Boeing or some international agency ordered the full grounding of the MAX 8. I still feel the grounding is the current part of the story, but agree now we need more discussion on that inclusion. --Masem (t) 21:45, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
• Original hook restored for now per lack of consensus demonstrated above. Discussion over whether to include the 2019 Boeing 737 MAX crisis detail can continue here and it can be re-added to the blurb later if there's consensus.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:00, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Amakuru I recommend rephrase it to (something like) this: "All 157 people on board are killed as Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 (aircraft involved pictured) crashes shortly after take-off. Ethiopia, Indonesia, China and other countries ground the Boeing 737 MAX 8 model in response to this and the recent Lion Air Flight 610 crash. The current blurb is still problematic in all sorts of ways. There is now no mention of the grounding of the jets which is an important part of the story. Secondly there's no mention of the Indonesian crash which provides the backstory to all of this; without mentioning the context the reader is going wonder why there was/is such a strong reaction to the crash. I will say again that I am okay with mentioning other countries that grounded the plane but it must lead off with Ethiopia taking the lead on it. Ethiopia is the country that is most affected by the crash so it just doesn't make sense to lead off that part of the blurb with any country other than Ethiopia (which it should also be noted was the first country to ground the plane). Syopsis (talk) 21:06, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

    @Syopsis:  Not done for now. The consensus in this discussion was for inclusion of the plane crash itself, and I'd have thought the deaths of 150 people would be reason enough for a "strong reaction". Currently, as is obvious from the discussions above, there is no firm consensus to include the story of the groundings. That consensus may develop, in which case the extra detail can be added. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 22:00, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Closed) North Korean parliamentary elections

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Article: 2019 North Korean parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ North Koreans are voting to elect the country's parliament (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A rubber-stamp legislature is appointed in a show election in North Korea
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Count Iblis (talk) 08:08, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. Although general elections are technically ITNR, the DPRK is an exceptional case as they're not 'elections' in the sense the rest of the world understands the term, but a rubber stamp exercise in which 'voters' approve or disapprove the single pre-selected candidate (and are shot if they disapprove), and in this case the election is to a purely symbolic body with no input into government. ‑ Iridescent 08:16, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
• This is ITNR. We don't (or at least shouldn't) make judgments about the validity or fairness of a country's elections. What matters is what independent sources state or cover about this. If there is not widespread coverage of this(which there may not be) because of its fundamental unfairness and rigged outcome, it should not be posted. 331dot (talk) 08:21, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. But the blurb should clearly and neutrally state that it is a show election.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 09:15, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure that is neutral, but I'm doubting this will be posted so I don't think it will get that far. 331dot (talk) 12:14, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

I agree the discussion is mostly academic. But it is the majority opinion of the RS therefore that should be what we report.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 13:07, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose no updates to the article since 8 March. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:01, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - for an election to be democratic, there has to be at least two candiates. In this case, there is only one candidate. Voting is compulsory and it is forbidden to not vote for the only candidate. This in not, in any sense of the word, an "election". Mjroots (talk) 11:11, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Then you should speak to the North Koreans or to the sources that describe this event; it isn't for us to judge their elections. 331dot (talk) 12:14, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Also invoking WP:IAR per Pawnkingthree. Mjroots (talk) 14:48, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

IAR only applies when there is a benefit to the project that a rule is preventing. There is no benefit in excluding this information which might serve to educate people. In any event, the quality is not there. 331dot (talk) 15:13, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

The rule is that elections are postable, subject to quality. The benefit is keeping this non-election off the main page, even if it was to meet quality requirements. IMvHO, it's time to close this down, per WP:SNOW. Mjroots (talk) 17:09, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment the only oppose here that's legit is from TRM. The article is terrible. We post the total sham installation of the dictator-for-life in the "P"RC, we can post this one too -- article quality not withstanding. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:15, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

  Indeed, I'm unclear as to how all the opposers know that every single other election we've ever posted wasn't a sham or affected by corruption. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:22, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per IAR - we should not post show elections. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:16, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Aside from what I state above, posting it would educate people about this who may not be aware. 331dot (talk) 12:18, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose – A non-election, similar to Soviet 'elections.' – Sca (talk) 13:33, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - Meaningless election, bad article. Spengouli (talk) 15:07, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose this is even worse quality than several articles I've tried to have deleted as violations of WP:NOTNEWS / NOTENCYCLOPEDIA. This is a timeline of the press releases of the DPRK. The current update is unsourced and indistinguishable from white propaganda. If I thought there were enough secondary sources and neutral editors to do anything that is not embarassing here, I'd suggest a force-merge to 14th Supreme People's Assembly - there simply is not enough content to justify an article on this election, the article on the office is enough. power~enwiki (π, ν) 15:18, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
  • While its clear that this is not ITN due to the elections being basically a shame, it is still a completely valid encyclopedic article, given we pretty much cover every nation's general elections. --Masem (t) 15:45, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

A shameful sham indeed. – Sca (talk) 16:47, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per IAR. This event is not an election in the sense that I believe any reasonable person would understand the term and the way I believe it was intended to be understood in our ITNR guideline. The only circumstance in which I might support would be if the election were described in the blurb in unmistakably clear terms as the farce that it is. And that would run afoul of WP:NPOV and WP:RGW. I believe the best course is simply to ignore this event on the main page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:05, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
  • How is this election any more of a farce than the Chinese elections which we routinely post? --LaserLegs (talk) 20:28, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

China's too big to ignore. – Sca (talk) 21:46, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Although in China you do have multiple parties and actually - minimally - votes for other people, see 13th National People's Congress. So the comparison is not completely correct. Regards SoWhy 14:29, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

• IAR should not apply since this is ITNR. Those who think ITNR should make an exception for show elections should nominate it as such on the ITNR page. Banedon (talk) 01:18, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
  • ITNR fully allows for IAR-type exclusions, as to avoid ITNR being too much rule-making. ITNR only says that a nomination that meets ITNR and meets quality requiremenst should be posted, but that's not a requirement. What we don't want is the ITNC discussion to readdress the broad class of news articles represented by the topic - that is, here we all agree national elections should be posted, but we further agree that while NK's elections technically met that , everyone recognizes these are sham elections in the current situation. --Masem (t) 01:27, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
    • Even if everyone recognizes these are sham elections, that doesn't mean everyone agrees this shouldn't be posted. Again (and because this will happen in the future), those who think sham elections should not be posted should suggest it on WT:ITNR. Banedon (talk) 01:39, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
      • I actually did already and was roundly rejected. I respect that decision, but we need to be consistent. Either we judge the validity of elections or we do not. There is no material difference this and the "elections" in Russia, Egypt, Syria, et al. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:51, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
        • In that case I'd say consensus is that all the oppose votes based on this being a sham election shouldn't count. Banedon (talk) 11:59, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
          • IAR is WP:POLICY and anyone can invoke it. ITNR is a WP:GUIDELINE. No guideline or local discussion pertaining to a guideline can negate policy. If there is a consensus supporting an IAR exception to a given guideline then that's that. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:05, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
          • "IAR should not apply since this is ITNR" is effectively saying, "You cannot ignore all rules here, because of this rule."-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:26, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
            • So ITNR means nothing? If I want to oppose anything, I just drop "IAR" in the comment and my vote has equal weight? IAR says you must be "improving the encyclopedia." We have to stop making this up as we go along. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:35, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
              • Do you honestly think that when elections were added to ITNR this is the type of "election" that was envisaged as being automatically newsworthy? This is the perfect type of IAR case.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:49, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
                • Once again, ITNR is a GUIDELINE. That's it. It's one step above an essay in terms of its authority. That means it is the way we typically do things. It is not carved in stone law. IAR is POLICY. And yes, anyone can invoke IAR in almost any discussion. But the flip side of that coin is that you have to persuade enough of your fellow editors that your IAR argument holds water. Frivolously invoking it tends to produce snarky replies. And FTR I am pretty conservative in approach to it. My view being that invoking IAR should be safe, legal and rare. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:57, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment. I am not going to either support or oppose here. But I do want to say that this is one of the funniest things I have seen in ITN/C in quite a while. Nsk92 (talk) 01:30, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose I might have to bring it up at ITNR. I would improve the article if I had time, but I still am unsure about posting but oppose on the basis that I do not think North Korean "elections" should be included with elections. Most elections are very recurring in that they must happen after a fixed period, and they are newsworthy because World Leaders are important and there is notability for potential new figures and to see what way a country has swayed over the last x years politically. In North Korea, there isn't any actual electing happening, and we all know the outcome, to the point that nobody is particularly concerned when the polling is happening because it might as well not to folk outside of North Korea - and the ones inside don't have Wikipedia. It is, of course, a Thing that is happening and in the news and could give a few people a chuckle, but in the news it is more like a puff piece based on the relevance and importance and significance. If anything notable is said about it, maybe propose again. Or swap the wording to something like "Kim Jong-un will be reelected by a 100% majority in the North Korean parliamentary elections" to add a bit of humor? Kingsif (talk) 07:47, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - this is not an election. It is all a scam. A scam we should not dignify with a ITN posting.BabbaQ (talk) 10:56, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

An electile scam? – Sca (talk) 12:18, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

• Speedy Oppose. No, just no. Someone needs to have a long talk with Banedon about procedure here. We don't dignify propaganda, and that's the end of story. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 14:13, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

  But we do and we have. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:14, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

  ITN/C is rife with ITN/R nominations that have been opposed vociferously but have been posted over objections by an admin because "it's ITN/R and the rules are rules". Applying WP:IAR in this instance but not in the other ones is horribly inconsistent. Banedon is not incorrect on procedure here. There is a laughable lack of consistency being applied here due to the obvious WP:POV against North Korea. Yes, the election is a sham, but we have posted dozens upon dozens of sham elections. Why are we singling this one out? (WaltCip, logged out) --128.227.165.102 (talk) 14:27, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

  • • I am opposing this because Wikipedia should not become an adjunct of the DPRK's Ministry of Propaganda. But yeah, for the sake of consistency we should come up with a way of handling events like this and put it into ITNR. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:30, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

How about a new category for "Recent Non-Events" – ?? – Sca (talk) 17:23, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Sounds like a great place for The Boat Race. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:45, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Closed) 2018–19 FIS Alpine Ski World Cup

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Article: 2018–19 FIS Alpine Ski World Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Marcel Hirscher wins the FIS Alpine Ski World Cup eight times in a row and Mikaela Shiffrin win it three times in a row (Post)
News source(s): CNN (for Shiffrin), CNN (for Hirscher)
Credits:

• Nominated by SirEdimon (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Neither Hirscher nor Shiffrin can't be mathematically reached even though there are some events still remaining. SirEdimon (talk) 06:51, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. "can't be mathematically" is not the same as "are 100 percent certain to win". For example, if Hirscher or Shiffrin were disqualified for doping, they wouldn't win. I suggest re-proposing once they actually won but see the discussion on #Ronnie O'Sullivan reaches 1,000 century breaks above as well. Regards SoWhy 12:01, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Please check the references I added on this nomination.--SirEdimon (talk) 04:35, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Since we don't need to post until it's over, let's take that time and add some prose. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:45, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

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March 9

Portal:Current events/2019 March 9

March 9, 2019 (2019-03-09) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Internal conflict in Myanmar Rakhine insurgents of the Arakan Army attack a police post in a village in Rakhine State, killing nine policemen. All of the victims were local recruits from the village. (Reuters) Arts and culture Japanese supercentenarian Kane Tanaka is officially recognized as the world's oldest living person at 116 years and 67 days old. (The Guardian) Disasters and accidents 2019 Colombia DC-3 crash A DC-3 operated by Laser Aereo crashes in Colombia en route from San José del Guaviare, killing all 14 aboard. (Reuters) (El Espectador) Crisis in Venezuela 2019 Venezuelan blackout Whilst a nationwide power blackout continues, Acting President Juan Guaidó calls for protests in the capital of Venezuela. (Reuters) (Time) With a fire causing new damage to a power plant in Bolívar State, President Nicolás Maduro states the power outages are "caused by U.S.-backed sabotage"; Guaidó says the outages are due to Maduro government "corruption and mismanagement". (MSN) (SFGate) A Japanese high-speed boat collides with a "marine creature" while carrying 121 passengers; 87 passengers are injured and 5 airlifted by helicopter to the hospital. (CNN) 2018–19 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season The floods from the predecessor of Cyclone Idai cause 23 deaths and 11 missing in southern Malawi. (The Maravi Post) Around 40 fishermen are rescued by the United States Coast Guard after an ice sheet breaks away on Lake Erie. (NBC) (The Washington Post) Law and crime Salamanca nightclub shooting A mass shooting at a nightclub in Salamanca, Guanajuato, Mexico, kills at least 15 people and leaves another seven people wounded. (Reuters) Politics and elections Tunisian health minister Abderraouf Cherif resigns following the deaths of 11 newborn babies since Thursday at a hospital in the capital Tunis. Evidence suggests all 11 died from septic shock. Tunisia's public healthcare had been considered one of the best in North Africa, but it has operated less smoothly since the 2011 revolution. (BBC News) Prime Minister of Peru Cesar Villanueva resigns after falling approval ratings. (Al Jazeera) (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Jed Allan

Article: Jed Allan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Independent Deadline
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article I have fixed the sourcing. American TV actor. DBigXrayᗙ 10:44, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 22:07, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

RD: Harry Howell

Article: Harry Howell (ice hockey) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Newyorkbrad (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Long-time NHL player. Article is updated and referenced. Newyorkbrad (talk) 14:52, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

• Three sections without a single reference. Stephen 23:43, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - The article has ref issues and needs to be completely restructured.--SirEdimon (talk) 04:33, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD:Tom Ballard (climber)

Article: Tom Ballard (climber) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, Al Jazeera, ITV News, Sky News, Daily Mail, Geo
Credits:

• Nominated by Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British rock climber and alpinist, best known for being the first mountaineer to climb the six major alpine north faces solo in a single winter season. Body discovered on Nanga Parbat's Mummery Spur on 9 March 2019. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:46, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support satisfactory. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:25, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Depends on if we believe PlanetMountain.com, which is cited 5 times, is a RS. It seems like it is? But this is worth discussing a little. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:03, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Actually, [23] and [24] of the editors also write for Climbing. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:11, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - and readyBabbaQ (talk) 21:26, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

So after 12 hours, is anyone actually opposing this posting? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:21, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

• You make it sound like 12 hours is a long time. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:25, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

• Posting – Muboshgu (talk) 22:25, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Glad to be of service. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:26, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

March 8

Portal:Current events/2019 March 8

March 8, 2019 (2019-03-08) (Friday) Disasters and accidents Crisis in Venezuela 2019 Venezuelan blackout A nationwide power blackout enters its second day in Venezuela. Information Minister Jorge Rodríguez and Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino López claim the country appears to be the victim of a cyberattack intended to "derail the whole system". Venezuelan National Assembly-declared Acting President Juan Guaidó stated that "state corruption and mismanagement (...) have left the electrical grid in shambles". (AP) (Forbes) A truck overturns on a highway in Chiapas, Mexico, killing 25 Central American migrants who were hiding inside. (Reuters) Law and crime Shoreham Airshow crash Pilot Andy Hill is acquitted of eleven counts of manslaughter arising from the 2015 accident, in which a jet flown by Hill struck a road in Shoreham, England. (The Guardian) Chelsea Manning is jailed for refusing to answer questions from a federal grand jury in Virginia looking into the release of documents to WikiLeaks. (NBC News) Actor Jussie Smollett is indicted on 16 felony counts of disorderly conduct for allegedly filing a false hate crime police report in January in Chicago. (Yahoo! News) Politics and elections Politics of Finland The entire coalition government of Finland resigns after a failure to deliver on healthcare reform, a month ahead of the country's general election. The coalition, made up of Prime Minister Juha Sipilä's Centre Party, the conservative National Coalition Party and the Eurosceptic Blue Reform Party, were unable to agree on a package that would have slowed healthcare spending over the next decade. The government will be interim until April elections. (Reuters)

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(Posted to RD) RD:Michael Gielen

Article: Michael Gielen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SZ and others
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Austrian conductor and composer, promoting contemporary music in opera and concerts, vital premieres such as Die Soldaten, international work with tenures in Sweden, Netherlands and the "Ära Gielen" at the Frankfurt Opera. - I added, and there's much more in sources some of which I plan to add, but I don't want to wait until it's no longer recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:10, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support. Seems to be well-sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:22, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Covers whole career; nice job with the expansion and referencing over the past day. Marking "ready". Spencer^T•C 19:42, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Well sourced.--SirEdimon (talk) 21:20, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Doesn't seem "minimally comprehensive" without a referenced list of the works that actually make him WP:Notable. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:24, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

• He was primarily a conductor? What about the awards? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:31, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

• There was a "selected works" section which was removed in the cleanup, but probably the main issue here is my lack of familiarity with the subject. Concern withdrawn, thanks Martinevans123. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:58, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

No, it was combined with a sentence further up and made prose. Go ahead, expand, the facts are all there, I'm not done yet with Jacques Loussier, am tired, and there's real life. He's notable without a single composition. He'd be notable if he had only conducted the premiere of Die Soldaten which everybody thought couldn't be performed, like Tristan in Wagner's time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:24, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

There is now such a list. What else. Did you know that I mentioned him on DYK in 2010? Talk:June Card, for example. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support more than sufficient. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:27, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 17:17, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) 2015 Shoreham Airshow crash

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Article: 2015 Shoreham Airshow crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Andy Hill, the pilot involved in the 2015 Shoreham Airshow crash (aircraft involved pictured) is found not guilty of eleven counts of manslaughter in a trial at the Old Bailey, London. (Post)
News source(s): (Metro)
Credits:

• Nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Very rare for a prosecution to follow a civil aviation accident in UK. Verdict would have been significant whichever way it went. Mjroots (talk) 11:49, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose rare or not, I wouldn't consider this to be something I'd see in a synopsis of the year's events of note to the English speakers of this planet. Simply doesn't rise to the level of significance ITN should be publishing. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:20, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose pet TRM. Not a worldwide massive story.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:32, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose for lack of direct target article, but it would make a fine "Did you know...". InedibleHulk (talk) 16:42, March 8, 2019 (UTC)
  • What do you mean "lack of direct target article"? It's linked, in bold, in the blurb! Mjroots (talk) 17:04, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
    • I would hazard a guess that it's because there's no article about the individual nor the case, just the same article we already posted to ITN three and a half years ago. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:13, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
      • Aye. Related to Andy Hill and clearly led to this trial of Andy Hill, but isn't affected by this news about the fate of Andy Hill, just remembered. If Andy Hill doesn't have a bio because he's only notable for one event in 2015, this 2019 event is either non-notable or Andy Hill now warrants a proper biography. Until then, ITN should focus on independently notable subjects. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:32, March 8, 2019 (UTC)
        • It is possible that AH could sustain a stand-alone article, maybe even the trial. ATM, neither has, so we are left with the solid B class article on the event (which I intend to take to GA class at the appropriate time). That it was posted when it happened does not prevent it being posted again. Mjroots (talk) 19:42, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
          • The only notability aspects we appear to have about Andy Hill is anything involved in this crash. And particularly as he has been found not guilty, BLP1E absolutely applies; we would not have an article on him, so the target being the crash is completely fine for ITN. --Masem (t) 19:46, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

I don't mind recycling a subject when something affects it. The crash was completely fine here the first time, because it happened. Today, the only difference is that it still happened, but prior to a trial, and that's not much to write home about. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:57, March 8, 2019 (UTC)

• Support A solid article, current event, news sources are covering it appropriately. Can't find any reason to keep this off of the main page. --Jayron32 17:21, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – The pilot, notable for a UK aeronautics accident four years ago, has been found not guilty of negligence. Had he been found guilty, or had the accident occurred more recently, this might be ITN material, but given the circumstances mentioned it's not. – Sca (talk) 22:11, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose The crash was already featured in ITN years ago, and the lawsuit is irrelevant for ITN. The Manafort conviction is far more important than this one, and even that is not ITN-worthy. -Zanhe (talk) 23:15, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support In the news with adequate coverage, and article is pretty good. Davey2116 (talk) 09:09, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Regretfully since it is in all honesty a local story. But it had received plenty of international coverage which makes it ITN worthy.BabbaQ (talk) 10:00, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose, not appearing anywhere for me, not even on bbc.com. This suggests that other people here are seeing it due to tracking of their interests by websites. Also, the acquittal is a complete non-event, with no lasting import. Abductive (reasoning) 12:43, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

• It has now become somewhat regional at BBC News: [25]. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:51, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - lack of significance. If one searches Google for UK news, the top results are (unsurprisingly) about Brexit. Banedon (talk) 13:00, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

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March 7

Portal:Current events/2019 March 7

March 7, 2019 (2019-03-07) (Thursday) Disasters and accidents Crisis in Venezuela A major power blackout leaves most of Venezuela without electricity, including the capital Caracas. At least 18 of Venezuela's 23 states have reported blackouts. Venezuelan news website El Pitazo blames failures at Simón Bolívar hydroelectric plant; state TV blames anti-government saboteurs. (The Guardian) Law and crime 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis American journalist at WPLG, Cody Weddle, is released from Venezuela after being detained early Wednesday. (CBS News) (Fox News) Trials of Paul Manafort Former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort is sentenced to 47 months in federal prison for eight counts including tax fraud and bank fraud. (CBS News) Buffalo Billion Joe Percoco, former aide to New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, is denied bail and is expected to start his six-year prison term for bribery. (New York Post) (New York Daily News)

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(Closed) RD: Carmine Persico

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Article: Carmine Persico (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Famed NYC mob boss (head of the Colombo crime family) dies in prison at age 85. Davey2116 (talk) 07:08, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment - Article is in good shape, but a few sentences are unreferenced. If fixed, I'll be glad to support it.--SirEdimon (talk) 21:18, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Normally I'm a "95% is fine" guy on the BLPs, but the unreferenced claims here are exceptionally contentious. Comes with the territory, but this is the business we've chosen. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:05, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

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March 6

Portal:Current events/2019 March 6

March 6, 2019 (2019-03-06) (Wednesday) Disasters and accidents The flooding of the Citarum River, Indonesia, causes at least two deaths. (The Jakarta Post) Arts and culture Weinstein effect Celebrity chef Mario Batali gives up his stake in his restaurants more than a year after being accused of sexual misconduct. (The Guardian) Alex Trebek, host of the American syndicated game show Jeopardy! since 1984, announces that he has been diagnosed with terminal stage 4 pancreatic cancer. He plans to continue hosting during his treatment. (CNN) Business and economy The United States Commerce Department reports the country's 2018 trade deficit was $621 billion (£472.5 bn), the highest since 2008. (BBC News) Economy of the United States Production ends at General Motors' Lordstown Assembly complex in Lordstown, Ohio, United States. (CNN) Dollar Tree announces it will close 390 Family Dollar stores, and rebrand a further 200 Family Dollar stores as Dollar Tree. (CNBC) Law and crime 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis, Corruption in Venezuela, Censorship in Venezuela Venezuelan journalist Alí Domínguez, who disappeared a week ago, dies from injuries of beating and torture. (El Universal), (Fox News) China–United States trade war Huawei sues the U.S. Government to challenge the constitutionality of Section 889 of the National Defense Authorization Act which prohibits U.S. executive government agencies from procuring telecommunications equipment from two Chinese companies, Huawei and ZTE. (CNBC) Sports 2018–19 UEFA Champions League Manchester United defeats Paris Saint-Germain 3–1 in Paris, overcoming a 2–0 home-leg deficit to advance to the quarter-finals with a 3–3 win on away goals. United becomes the first side in the history of the Champions League or European Cup to overcome a first-leg home deficit of 2–0 or greater in a knockout tie. (BBC Sport)

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(Posted to RD) RD:Alí Domínguez

Article: Alí Domínguez (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Venezuelan journalist Alí Domínguez is murdered, found beaten on a freeway after being missing for nearly a week. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Venezuelan journalist and political leader Alí Domínguez dies after being found beaten on a freeway following a short disappearance.
News source(s): El Universal
Credits:

• Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: I mean, this is a step up even for Venezuela, where they often kidnap but don't kill their journalists. Special note in the potential diversion of detaining an American journalist for a few hours right after Dominguez's death. Might just stick it up as an RD, but think it's newsworthy (working on expanding). Kingsif (talk) 01:52, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

• I think this is best as an RD as it appears tied to the VZ crisis that is in ongoing already. --Masem (t) 02:40, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Forgive me if this is insensitive but are there RS showing this person was notable before their death? This nomination would be more convincing if this was an already notable figure who died in an apparent notable manner. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 02:49, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Dissident who attempted to expose corruption in Venezuela. Murdered for either that or for trying to bring aid into the country. Make a notability judgement on that yourself, sorry for the article being rather empty and more focused on death right now, I'm working on it. Kingsif (talk) 02:57, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
    • CaC has a valid point. If only today we know more about him (despite having beein part of protests in the past), that means the article fails WP:BLP1E. Coverage of his death would still be valid in the VZ ongoing srticles. --Masem (t) 03:17, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
      • How many Venezuelan journalists could you name? Venezuelan politicians? Look at Guaido - he started a student movement and co-founded a leading political party, but was rarely in the news until January. It's sad the most notable aspect of Dominguez's life could be his death, but that's because he's not one of the hundreds of others killed by repression of the state in recent months: he's a journalist who has been trying to expose corruption, which is what makes him individually more notable than those others (also sad).

Also, Dominguez was the leader of a different political party, was beaten for exposing corruption at a university, etc. That's at least three notable things, all in the article at the moment. Kingsif (talk) 03:22, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

I am not dismissing the possibility of a blurb. If I am convinced of anything, it is that an RD is not appropriate here and a BLP is not what is called for. Instead, I recommend you rename the article Murder of Alí Domínguez like the Assassination of Jamal Khashoggi. You will all remember we blurbed Khasshoggi's murder, and placed it in ongoing before and after. It is possible a person not to be notable themselves but their assasination to be notable and worthy of an ITN blurb. That is my take on this. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 04:56, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

I don’t dispute that, but I do feel Dominguez is notable, perhaps not to the level of Khashoggi, but enough to have his own article (which wouldn’t be long enough to warrant split, I feel). And I’m not sure why you compare to Jamal Khashoggi when he also has an article. Kingsif (talk) 05:14, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

"You can lead a horse to water..."--- Coffeeandcrumbs 05:55, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Khashoggi had an article long before the situation with his murder; he was well notable beyond BLP1E. --Masem (t) 15:07, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support RD - Which seems sufficient.BabbaQ (talk) 08:34, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
• The article is not really about the act of murder at the moment. It provides almost no details about it. I'd support disappearance, killing, assassination and death in the title as alternatives to murder. And we get into WP:BLPCRIME territory when the police announce suspects while this article has murder in the title. I don't see any evidence of notability prior to the murder so this is WP:BLP1E in my opinion and needs to be moved to an event title. wumbolo ^^^ 10:50, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
• Altblurb proposed. Including adding "political leader" - both this job and "journalist exposing corruption" (especially in Venezuela) seem notable IMO, but certainly being the leader of a political faction should make it clear this isn't BLP1E. Kingsif (talk) 11:29, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment WP:BLP1E? Would an article on this guy exist if he'd not been murdered? --LaserLegs (talk) 13:40, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Probably not, because he's not as notable as other journalists/politicians (whose large claim to notability is just the job they are in), and the only international news on him is that he was murdered. But the fact that it's international news suggests that he's definitely important. He's not a random person made famous by being killed in a notorious case; he's a famous person whose death is so made notorious. Kingsif (talk) 14:00, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb. Does not rise to the level of significance needed for a blurb. Death blurbs (irrespective of cause) are generally reserved for people of high notability, who by the way, should have article since Wikipedia infancy days or at least several years ago. I would support RD however, and remind us this is not the place to discuss whether the article fails BLP1E test or not, as long as the article exists and without any major content issue, it can be put on RD line. –Ammarpad (talk) 15:42, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

  Further reminder that "this is not the place" is an opinion and not settled consensus. ITNRD allows opposition base on quality, and a violation of policy is a quality concern. There is no policy that requires one with concerns to nom the article for deletion. Further, AfD'ing the article would allow a single editor to delay a posting until stale. Opposing a nom for BLP1E (or GNG, or whatever) allows a more democratic discussion, as the consensus can reject the opinion and post. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:03, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

• Good point, Ammarpad. Probably better as RD, I saw it as blurb because of a wider context that many may not be aware of, which would leave it very out of place with an ITN blurb. Added RD tag. Kingsif (talk) 20:15, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb per Ammarpad. This just does not rise to the level of a blurb and posting one would come perilously close running afoul of WP:RGW. Support RD. With respect to the question of BLP1E raised above I am somewhat sympathetic. Most crime victims don't get their own article. That said the crime itself is unquestionably notable. Perhaps the article could be moved to Murder of Alí Domínguez and modifed to be more oriented on that theme. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:27, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
• RD only – Per previous comments re notability. Sca (talk) 22:13, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 15:27, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: José Pedro Pérez-Llorca

Article: José Pedro Pérez-Llorca (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El País
Credits:

• Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: He was one of the most important politicians and overall diplomat during the Spanish Transition to Democracy, being also one of the Fathers of the Constitution of 1978. His death has been very lamented by Spanish authorities. Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:12, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support - Sourced. And ready.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support short but good enough for RD; marked as ready --DannyS712 (talk) 15:28, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment – This seems rather short for one of the authors of the Spanish Constitution. I am sure there is a little more we can say about his career.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 18:18, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 01:49, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Magenta Devine

Article: Magenta Devine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)
• Updated by GabriellaMaison (talk · give credit) and Dafyddt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Updated from a stub to a start class article with everything sourced. A British TV presenter and journalist DBigXrayᗙ 10:09, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

• Weak support It's very well referenced, but also very short and scattered. Seems like a chronological list of whatever random facts one could find about her, without much thought given to narrative. Still, I won't hold it up over that. If there's a line to cross, this one made it. --Jayron32 11:37, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support it is a little random but then having sort-of followed Devine's career from the get-go and that's probably a good word to describe it. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:42, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:08, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks User:Stephen, can someone post the credits. regards. --DBigXrayᗙ 04:52, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done --- Coffeeandcrumbs 06:02, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Keith Harvey Miller

Article: Keith Harvey Miller (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Seattle Times
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article well sourced. Death was announced today. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:24, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support Everything looks OK. –Ammarpad (talk) 06:19, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support indeed, satis. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:38, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose — Once again, this little group of editors is out to prove themselves to be a walled garden devoted to pushing the POV that cherry-picking a source and putting lipstick on a pig merely to collect a hat somehow equates to "article quality". I'm on my lunch break and won't have time to search further resources until later, so I hope this suffices. For starters, the article title itself is based on cherry-picking a source and is hardly reflective of anything having to do with WP:COMMONNAME. The article is full of glaring omissions: no mention of his fairly extensive professional career prior to entering politics, no mention that he served in both houses of the state legislature despite the fact that we treat those as notable offices everywhere else on the encyclopedia, no mention of the first lady despite the fact that they were married for over 20 years, no mention of the fact that he wrote at least two autobiographies. Should I go on? The statement that he moved to Talkeetna in 1946 can be easily contradicted by other sources. Who do you think we should trust, a newspaper reporter who is unnamed in the article and is solely interested in banging out a certain amount of content to meet a deadline, or someone like R. N. DeArmond who was the preeminent historian on Alaska during the 20th century and who spent decades researching and writing on the topic of Alaskan political biography? Like I said, I will have to confirm this later, but I'm quite certain that DeArmond and other more reliable sources stated that Miller moved to Alaska in 1959 and later lived in Talkeetna for a very short time. The article also misleads people into believing that Miller continuously remained in Alaska after moving here when in fact he spent most of his retirement years living in southwestern Oregon. Also, I'm personally a big fan of Must Read Alaska but IT'S A BLOG, FOR FUCK'S SAKE. There are tons of other actual reliable sources that are being ignored here. Why? WP:AGF shouldn't be used to excuse away what amounts to the blind leading the blind. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 21:30, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

  I won't take your assault on me as a personal attack, but if you really want to make this a better place, your current approach is not collegiate and frankly offensive. I'm not here to collect any hats, you need to strike that really. Feel free to improve the article, feel free to register your opposition, but do not make false accusations and cast aspersions against good faith editors. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:19, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

• Removing ready. Article has insufficient coverage of Miller, and it sounds like errors per above. Spencer^T•C 21:37, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

• @RadioKAOS: & @Spencer:: I understand the concerns, so I tried my best at expanding the article as much as I could with sources. I added a bit more info on early life, early career and later career. If there's more info that could be added (with reliable sources) please feel free to add them to the article. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:53, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

I'll be happy to continue this at the article or its talk page, especially since I was able to have copies of Who's Who in Alaskan Politics and Prudhoe Bay Governor in hand before starting. Just one more thing about weak sources: why do people keep pushing legacy.com as a reliable source? It may be OK for certain basic facts, but there's nothing neutral about a paid obituary whose editorial process favors the interests of the party paying for the obituary. Understanding that should be Common Sense 101. I've seen multiple cases of obituaries on that site which told me absolutely nothing about the person's life because the family decided to use it as an anti-bullying PSA instead of an actual obituary. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 02:26, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

• @RadioKAOS: & @Spencer:: Article has been expanded with good sources thanks to RadioKAOS and I think its good enough to post, but the article will continue to undergo expansion. On the Legacy note, the one used for this article was also co-published with Anchorage Daily News (a reliable source from my knowledge) therefore good source. However I do encourage your book sources as their very beneficial for the article and I applaud you for implementing them in the article. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:56, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 05:11, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

March 5

Portal:Current events/2019 March 5

March 5, 2019 (2019-03-05) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Packages containing suspected improvised explosive devices are found near Heathrow Airport, London City Airport, and London Waterloo station in London, England. (BBC News) Arts and culture Japanese architect Arata Isozaki is announced as the winner of the 2019 Pritzker Prize. (BBC News) Health and environment Management of HIV/AIDS An HIV-positive man, identified as "the London patient", is the second known adult worldwide cleared of the HIV virus after a bone marrow transplant from an HIV-resistant donor. He has been in remission from HIV for 18 months and is no longer taking HIV drugs. (BBC News) (The Washington Post) (The Irish Times) (Nature) The US Food and Drug Administration approves Janssen Pharmaceutica's esketamine for treatment-resistant depression. The drug is the chemical cousin of ketamine, a powerful anesthetic and recreational drug, and the first major new depression treatment to be approved by the FDA in more than 30 years. (CNN) (TechCrunch) Politics and elections United States' Food and Drug Administration commissioner Scott Gottlieb announces his resignation "in the next month". (CNN) 2019 Guatemalan general election Semilla announces Jonathan Menkos Zeissig as running mate of Thelma Aldana. Aldana will be proclaimed presidential candidate on March 10. (La Hora) Sports 2018–19 UEFA Champions League Underdog AFC Ajax defeats defending champions Real Madrid 4–1, and advances to quarter-finals on aggregate 5–3, marking the end of Real Madrid's European dominance. (Goal.com)

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(Posted) RD: Jacques Loussier

Article: Jacques Loussier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): France Musique
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Martinevans123 (talk · give credit) and Coffeeandcrumbs (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Legendary French pianist, in trio Play Bach, and composer - I added references, but need to go for RL, - please let this not become Previn again, - the buyers of the 7 million recordings will want to know. - Some recordings are so far referenced by their numbers, help needed/wanted if that is not enough. Later today, I will add. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment I suspect Catalogue numbers alone are not deemed to be sufficient, even for albums that might have an article. But not a very big article, so shouldn't be too difficult to provide sources for everything. Only 11 sources at Jaques Loussier and none for the Discography. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:36, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Around half of the recordings have a decent ref now. What do people here think abou AllMusic, Discogs and WorldCat for refs, - the latter two in the article, one in external refs, the other in authority control? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:14, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

AllMusic is fine. Discogs is not allowed (except as a general External link, it seems). I think WorldCat is generally allowed. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:19, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Worldcat is now there for most, and I don't even think we need the others, but can check out Allmusic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:14, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose for now, recordings needs inline refs and there's a section (Trio break-up) without any inline citation, including some "allegedly" claim. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:41, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

I don't care for that section, that's probably why I didn't find a ref. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:13, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

TRM, the section is back with a source. Next? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:51, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support All issues appear resolved. The article is very well referenced. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:34, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

• The "quality control department" will no doubt remind us that there are 7 albums with no source no albums unsourced. I searched for all with limited success. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:40, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

• You mean anyone seeking to comply with WP:V, a Wikipedia-wide policy? I hope so. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:18, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

• Crumbs. You read my mind there. Spooky. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:47, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support All issues appear resolved. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:00, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Chu Shijian

Article: Chu Shijian (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): China Daily
Credits:

• Nominated by Zanhe (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Legendary Chinese entrepreneur known as the "tobacco king" and "orange king". Zanhe (talk) 07:47, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support Nice work. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:26, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Marking ready. Spencer^T•C 15:25, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support This is ready. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:17, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 21:47, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) MMR vaccine and autism

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Article: MMR vaccine and autism (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A large-scale study following over 650,000 children for 11 years finds no relation between the MMR vaccine and autism (Post)
News source(s): [26][27][28]
Credits:

• Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I thought this was well-established, but it's still making the news, so nominating it. Banedon (talk) 02:20, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment: Your 'news sources' don't currently seem to be to proper 'news' sources (such as newspapers, TV news, etc) - one is a scientific journal article, and the other seems to be a statement by the institute that produced the study. Tlhslobus (talk) 04:44, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Googling for "MMR vaccine" and searching by "news" finds plenty of coverage, e.g. [29] [30] [31]. Banedon (talk) 05:14, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose trivial at best, but would definitely fit well for a DYK nomination. 2607:FCC8:B085:7F00:7004:D6F9:203:1EB6 (talk) 05:07, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose A common medical fringe theory is suggested to be wrong by an otherwise pretty hefty study in one country. Not ITN-breaking type story. --Masem (t) 05:35, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
• Strong Support This is in the news worldwide, see NYT (US), CTV (Canada), France24 and many others. And we'll perform a public service by helping to debunk the anti-vaxx nonsense. -Zanhe (talk) 05:41, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

  Zanhe, ITN isn't here to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:55, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality and significance. I'm failing to locate the update to reflect this news. Also, though the repetition principle is important in scientific research, each subsequent replication is not itself noteworthy. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:36, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – Unsee this on major news sites now (Guardian story is a couple days old), and per Masem this issue seems beyond the pale of even semi-literate Eng.-lang. discourse. Sca (talk) 15:16, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose More confirmation for something that's been well-established in the literature for a while now. Spencer^T•C 15:26, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose What next? Study finds earth is not flat. --Suraj.sharma.1992 (talk) 17:37, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

  Sadly, we could use that study again. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:41, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Pulled) Arata Isozaki; Pritzker Architecture Prize

Articles: Arata Isozaki (talk · history · tag) and Pritzker Architecture Prize (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Arata Isozaki is awarded the Pritzker Architecture Prize (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Pouyakhani (talk · give credit) and TomasVial (talk · give credit)

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: The articles need work. The prize is listed on ITNR. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:30, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support bold prize list until someone expert can address Isozaki's article. As per just about every year, the list article (a FL) is updated well, while the target architect article is lame. The Rambling Man (talk) 02:21, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Isozaki's article is not up to scratch, and we shoot down other awards whose article is simply a table of winners (featured list or not). --LaserLegs (talk) 02:46, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support per TRM's suggestion as the bio is a way off. It is slightly strange to post a blurb and not bold what would seem an obvious target article, but the Fields Medal blurb was posted last August where only 2 of the 4 recipients were originally bolded, which is far more strange as it implied the bolded mathematicians were more significant. Hrodvarsson (talk) 04:04, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted with bold award Stephen 04:19, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
• I'm not going to say pull because I don't think it should be, but LaserLegs is right. We regularly refuse to post sports ITNRs that have far more substantial updates than this. —Cryptic 04:33, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Perhaps the winning work should be required as part of ITNR. SounderBruce 05:05, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
    • The award is for his body of work. It’s a featured list article, not sure what else there is to update other than the award of the prize? It’s not the Oscars. Stephen 08:17, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
      • The award is for his body of work, that's what needs to be highlighted, and right now it's an unreferecned list in a barely-above-stub article. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:07, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
• I do think it's bad form for us to shrug off the quality problems of the person recognized for this annual award and just use the FL of the list of winners as the "target". Yes, Isozaki's article is bad, but it doesn't look so far off to expect improvement in the next few days. --Masem (t) 05:37, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

  Agreed. The whole point of the MP is to focus attention on quality articles and updates. If the update is a name on a chart, that is not worth featuring. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:42, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

• Question So we now have a BLP violation linked from the main page, but it's not a bold link, so that's good enough? --LaserLegs (talk) 12:07, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

  The main page routinely links BLP violations, for your information. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:14, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

  I imagine some "other sections" do it more often than others. Thanks TRM, it's something we should endeavor to fix but not a hill to die on. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:31, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

• Pull. Arata Isozaki needs to be the target article, not the award, as is done for awards of this caliber posted to ITN. Spencer^T•C 15:33, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

• Pull this.

a) ITNR explicitly states that the awardee is the target. Arata Isozaki at minimum needs more referencing to his works and awards.

b) This is ITN, not TFL. We don't post one sentence article updates on ITN blurbs, yet we now post one line table updates instead?

c) Please someone show me where the consensus is to post if you're using it to override ITNR. And if you're relying on the counting !votes, note the conflict of interest.

d) It doesn't look good to use IAR to circumvent ITN criteria in order to get a FL back on the main page less than three weeks since it last appeared there.

I'd prefer we stop using strawmen excuses to get something up asap (5 hours much?), instead of helping improve other articles. Fuebaey (talk) 16:01, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

• Pulled per above. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:59, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: King Kong Bundy

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Article: King Kong Bundy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by spman (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Well known Professional Wrestler who had mainstream crossover. Article appears to be well sourced. - spman (talk) 13:29, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose A lot of sources, but there are at least three whole paragraphs and a further large number of statements that lack citations. Black Kite (talk) 21:07, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Comprehensive, but needs referencing. Spencer^T•C 15:28, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

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March 4

Portal:Current events/2019 March 4

March 4, 2019 (2019-03-04) (Monday) Arts and culture Pope Francis announces the Vatican's historical archives of Pope Pius XII's pontificate (1939–1958) will be accessible to scholars next year, effective 2 March 2020. (Vatican News) (BBC News) Disasters and accidents A helicopter crashes in Central Island National Park, Kenya, killing four American tourists and their Kenyan pilot. (BBC News) A 4.6 magnitude earthquake is felt in central Alberta just before 6 a.m. The epicentre was determined to be just south of Red Deer, and is believed to be the result of tectonic activity east of the Rocky Mountains. No structural damage or injuries are reported, and it is unlikely to cause aftershocks. (Global News) Law and crime Germany says it will amend the German nationality law to strip dual nationals of their citizenship who have fought for foreign militant groups, such as ISIL. (The Local) Cuba–United States relations The Trump administration announces it will allow lawsuits by U.S. citizens against dozens of Cuban companies and other entities concerning property confiscated by the Cuban government. A spokesperson says Cuba's support for Venezuela's incumbent president, Nicolás Maduro, was taken into consideration when the decision was made. (Reuters) United States Special Counsel investigation Newly confirmed Attorney General William Barr announces he will not recuse himself from the special counsel's investigation, per the advice of the Justice Department's ethics officials. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2020 United States presidential election, 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries Former Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper announces he is running for the Democratic Party's nomination to be President of the United States in the 2020 presidential election. (CNBC) Cabinet of Donald Trump The United States Department of Justice announces that former acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker has resigned from the Department, with his final day in the department having been March 2. He had remained in the Department as a senior counselor to the Associate Attorney General after his stint as acting Attorney General. (AP) Stormy Daniels–Donald Trump scandal, Rupert Murdoch's political activities in the United States The New Yorker reports that Fox News owner Rupert Murdoch prevented the release of a story about hush money which Donald Trump paid to Stormy Daniels before the 2016 election because Murdoch wanted Trump to win the election. (The New Yorker) Canadian Treasury Board President Jane Philpott resigns having lost confidence in the government's handling of the SNC-Lavalin affair. (BBC News) 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis Venezuelan National Assembly-declared interim President Juan Guaidó defies Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro's threats and returns to Venezuela where he is received by tens of thousands of people in Caracas. (Associated Press) Science and technology USB4, Thunderbolt 3, 2019 in science Intel makes Thunderbolt 3 open and royalty-free and gives the specification to USB Implementers Forum, while USB Promoter Group announces the USB4 specification that is based on Thunderbolt 3. USB4 supports 40 Gbps transfer rates and enables the use of multiple data and display protocols simultaneously. (Intel) (USB Promoter Group) (Ars Technica) The World Wide Web Consortium announces that WebAuthn, a standard for password-free logins on the web, is now an official web standard. (VentureBeat)

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(Closed) RD: Juan Corona

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Article: Juan Corona (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by SirEdimon (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the most notorious and "prolifics" serial killers in US history. SirEdimon (talk) 06:15, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Some unreferenced parts of the article, such as Juan_Corona#Evidence as well as a quote. Spencer^T•C 15:29, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose multiple [citation needed] tags on this BLP. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:04, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Closed) RD: Art Hughes (Canadian soccer player)

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Article: Art Hughes (Canadian soccer player) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CSA, PR Peak
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by SirEdimon (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian soccer legend. Article is small, but I updated it fixing all ref issues. --SirEdimon (talk) 06:11, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support Everything looks good. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 15:28, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Incomplete coverage of the subject's life, particularly in Art_Hughes_(Canadian_soccer_player)#Life_and_career. Only 1 single sentence about his life after 1960 up until his death in 2019. Spencer^T•C 15:31, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

@Spencer: Please take a second look. I think the notable period spanning 17 years of his soccer career are sufficiently mentioned. I have also add a couple of sentences about this personal life and reorganized the page a bit. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 18:41, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Weak oppose stricken; thanks for your work in improving the article. I guess my concern is that if he was known for goalscoring, the article would talk about games in which he had a decisive goal (or goals for the national team). Some of the information in the intro could definitely be moved to the "Career" section as well. At the same time, it seems like the information for that may be a lot harder to come by or not exist. For some it may meet minimum standards, but I think our RD articles should have more meat to them: to me, much of the article seems like the Honours section written out in prose. I think that's a good starting point, but to me what makes an RD article of minimum standards worthy of posting is having a little bit more than that. Best, Spencer^T•C 03:50, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

For an example of what this could look like, the Eric Caldow article nominated below is a good example of what I would consider minimal standards for RD. Spencer^T•C 21:40, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

• Weak support acknowledging Spencer's concern, but this just about passes the line for me. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:52, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support meets minimum RD requirements; marked as ready --DannyS712 (talk) 17:47, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

  Still ready --DannyS712 (talk) 22:26, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Klaus Kinkel

Article: Klaus Kinkel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German politician. I've given the article a quick tidy and think it meets the minimum standards - Dumelow (talk) 13:29, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

I boldly added myself to the updaters, - remove if I did too little. Meant to nominate ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:52, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support Looks ready to me.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:21, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
• Yup. Good work on references, Gerda et al. – Sca (talk) 15:08, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:26, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Johnny Romano

Article: Johnny Romano (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Cleveland
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:03, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support - Well sourced.--SirEdimon (talk) 19:26, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Looks fine to me. --Jayron32 19:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support satis. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 23:30, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Ted Lindsay

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Article: Ted Lindsay (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Andise1 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Hockey Hall of Famer/legend. Andise1 (talk) 18:48, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose large swaths of text have no obvious reference or source. --Jayron32 18:49, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose ref improve tagged, and what's going on with the refs that are there??! The Rambling Man (talk) 23:19, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Per TRM, what is going on with those refs? Black Kite (talk) 23:35, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Luke Perry

Article: Luke Perry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter Daily Mail
Credits:

• Nominated by CoatCheck (talk · give credit)
• Updated by SirEdimon (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Beverly Hills, 90210, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Riverdale actor, aged 52, dies shortly after reported stroke. CoatCheck (talk) 18:12, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality. "-ographies" are not sourced (and see relevant discussion on WT:ITN related to these). --Masem (t) 18:23, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose, woefully under referenced. Spengouli (talk) 18:33, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose ref improve tagged. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:21, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

*Oppose vast amounts of the article uncited. Looks OK now. Black Kite (talk) 23:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• Not quite there, but much improved. GreatCaesarsGhost 02:55, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
• I'll admit I'm a Wikipedia neophyte and I'm certainly not a fan of Luke Perry, but I want to point out that in my opinion, Wikipedia holds itself forth as a news source by having a prominent feature of the front page called "in the news," and as such, it is very out of touch. Here I find a debate about whether to merely MENTION this celebrity's death centered on the quality of citations in his article. Surprising. The underlying philosophy of the front page is mystifying to me; where can I look to find an explanation of this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cellodont (talk • contribs) 13:27, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

@Cellodont: You can read about the purpose of ITN at WP:ITN. In short, ITN is not meant to be a continuously updated news feed, but a means to improve and promote articles about subjects that happen to be in the news. Recent deaths are presumed notable enough to post to the Recent Deaths line, but the quality of the article and update must be acceptable in order to post it. 331dot (talk) 13:31, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

It is per WP:ITNRD, point 3, Of sufficient quality to be posted on the main page, as determined by a consensus of commenters. Kees08 (Talk) 11:31, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support Reasonably complete AFAICT, lots of cites, no more maint tags. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 19:23, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - I believe I fixed all the ref issues.--SirEdimon (talk) 20:47, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support His death is all over the news, at least in the U.S. The article seems fine and has plenty of citations. PerhapsXarb (talk) 21:01, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Referencing has been much improved. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support per above.BabbaQ (talk) 23:38, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
•  Posted by User:Paul Erik ([32]) --DannyS712 (talk) 23:48, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

(Removed) Sudanese protests

Article: Sudanese protests (2018–19) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Most recent events mentioned are 8 days ago. Updates also waning. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:08, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• Remove stale article, stale news. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:41, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Removed, no substantial updates for several days. --Tone 16:06, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Keith Flint

Article: Keith Flint (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ritchie333 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Singer from The Prodigy. Died aged 49. I've cited some of it, but will be AFK for a while now. Black Kite (talk) 12:23, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support, I've added citations so most of the article is now referenced. I saw the Prodigy at the 1997 V Festival in Chelmsford (although I only stayed for the first few songs) and the sight of them doing "Smack My Bitch Up" to tens of thousands of people is probably something I'll never see again. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:02, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• I was at the Leeds version of that (the only year that V had a Leeds show, I think, before it went to Weston Park). It was, indeed, mayhem. Black Kite (talk) 1:08 pm, Today (UTC+0)

• Support RIP Keef. A seminal loss, albeit in a quirky sense. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:04, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support RD. I would also be fine with blurbing the death at 49 of an artist with seven #1 albums. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:10, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

  Not a chance, he wasn't transformative, but he did define a micro-genre in the acid house period. Couldn't dance, couldn't sing, but dominated tens of thousands of fans when performing live. A "legend" (especially to those of us who own every single piece of music he was ever involved in) but not a blurb. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:16, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

  I'm not going to beat this drum, but I meant the other criteria -- not transformative, but unexpected (at 49, no known illness) death of prominent (the seven #1s) figures. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:31, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Obviously I am not a reliable source, but in summer 1997 I recall the Prodigy were the biggest band in the UK, and quite possibly the world and The Fat of the Land was number one both sides of the Atlantic and was universally critically praised. That's pretty much mainstream success. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:35, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

In Canada, "Breathe" was hot enough to open up Big Shiny Tunes 2, back when things like alternative music and track order still mattered to young people. But "Firestarter" was only a distant second to that, and I can't name another one despite being reasonably hip and with it (at the time). In fairness, "Breathe" was catchy enough to never leave, so no real need to follow it up with anything. Same deal happened with Blur and (to a lesser extent) The Chemical Brothers. Light years beyond Wide Mouth Mason and Bran Van 3000, but by lofty all-time British invasion standards, not even "in the mix".

As for US air that year, they were up against the single most popular riff Sting ever wrote, fueled by the somber power of recent celebrity death and nostalgia. Then Elton John made even that sound upbeat with his mournful English candlewailing. Even before then, when hot was still cool, America and Canada both generally preferred their spastic movements and vapid lyrics come from the Spice Girls. We even mostly remembered their names (eventually), which I don't think is the case with the guy from Prodigy. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:48, March 4, 2019 (UTC)

• To be fair and I imagine Keith would have been honest about it too, he didn't really write any of those seven number one albums, he was a performer, a front man, but not a Lennon or McCartney for the outfit. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:38, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• SupportRD. Article is referenced including the discography. However, I do not support a blurb as Liam Howlett was the band leader of the Prodigy. Capitalistroadster (talk) 13:20, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Obvious support and a sorry one at that; I could see a blurb, personally, as if not a leader then probably the best well-known/iconic. But not important. ——SerialNumber54129 13:23, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

I think only fans knew Liam was "the brains behind the operation"; to the man in the street, The Prodigy was defined by the scary looking bloke doing a mad dance and shouting in Aldwych tube station. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support - referenced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 13:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

 Posted--Tone 13:56, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• Post posting oppose blurb since some people seem to be suggesting it above; I'll be willing to bet a tidy sum that in almost all tomorrow's papers on both sides of the Atlantic Flint is relegated to a small sidebar beside a giant photograph of Luke Perry. The Prodigy were influential for a brief period to a particular generation but we're not talking the Fall here, let alone the Beatles. ‑ Iridescent 20:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Since a blurb was only mentioned briefly and only RD was posted, your comment is redundant.BabbaQ (talk) 21:51, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Discussion of a blurb can and often does continue after a RD is posted. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:12, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment I didn't know Flint had passed until I saw it in the box today. This is why I wanted to reform ITN/DC. Thanks to everyone involved who turned the article around to get it MP ready. It's great when the system works. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:58, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Eric Caldow

Article: Eric Caldow (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, The Herald
Credits:

• Nominated by Jmorrison230582 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Rangers and Scotland captain, inducted to the Scottish Football Hall of Fame in 2007. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 16:41, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

• Weak oppose penultimate para of bio is unreferenced. The rest is just about satis. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:54, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Referenced the paragraph mentioned by TRM. Spencer^T•C 21:59, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:54, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

March 3

Portal:Current events/2019 March 3

March 3, 2019 (2019-03-03) (Sunday) Disasters and accidents Tornado outbreak of March 3, 2019 At least 23 people are confirmed dead, many are injured, and 10,000 customers are without electricity after several tornadoes strike Lee County in southeast Alabama. (Fox News) (BBC News) After heavy snowfall, avalanches close Interstate 70 and three Copper Mountain passes in Summit County, Colorado. (KCNC-TV) Politics and elections 2019 Estonian parliamentary election Jüri Ratas, incumbent Prime Minister of Estonia, and his party gets second place in the election, while opposition leader Kaja Kallas's Estonian Reform Party gets the largest number of votes, and the right-wing Conservative People's Party doubles in seats. (BBC News) 2019 Italian Democratic Party leadership election Governor of Lazio, Nicola Zingaretti, wins the leadership election by a landslide, defeating Maurizio Martina and Roberto Giachetti, and becoming the new Secretary of the Democratic Party. (The Guardian) National Emergency Concerning the Southern Border of the United States Senator Rand Paul is expected to vote against Donald Trump’s national emergency. (The Hill) Science and technology 2019 in spaceflight SpaceX's unmanned spacecraft Dragon 2 successfully docks with the International Space Station (ISS) for the first time. (BBC News) (NASA Spaceflight) Sports 2019 in tennis, 2019 Roger Federer tennis season, Open Era tennis records – men's singles Roger Federer wins the 2019 Dubai Tennis Championships, his 100th ATP singles title overall, defeating Stefanos Tsitsipas, 6–4, 6–4, in the final. Federer became the second male tennis player in the Open Era after Jimmy Connors to win 100 ATP singles titles. (ATP Tour)

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2019 Estonian parliamentary election

Articles: 2019 Estonian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag) and Kaja Kallas (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kaja Kallas (pictured) is elected as first female Prime Minister of Estonia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Estonian elections, the Reform Party (Chairwoman Kaja Kallas pictured) maintains a plurarity in parliament.
News source(s): [33]
Credits:

• Nominated by 159.53.174.140 (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 159.53.174.140 (talk) 20:08, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose The articles are not ready. But I have suggested some blurbs. This is very news worthy but let's fix the articles. If we want Blurb1, we have to wait for the formation of a new government which I suspect is imminent.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:57, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
• Commentary - I've been watching this article for sometime now waiting for something to happen. I didn't nominate it exactly because nothing did happen yet. Blurb1 is not true. Altblurb is not news worthy.--SirEdimon (talk) 00:05, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

  Waiting for what? The results are in, and they are ITNR. Only the quality of the article is up for discussion. Established consensus is that we post the election, not the formation of a government. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:23, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is a chart farm, with stub-level text if we remove all the tables. Would need a massive expansion with full referencing to be main page ready. --Jayron32 13:29, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Disappearance of Tom Ballard and Daniele Nardi

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Article: Tom Ballard (climber) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 100,000 euros is raised to search for Tom Ballard, a British mountaineer best known for the first solo winter ascent of all six major alpine north faces in a single season, and his climbing partner Daniele Nardi, following their disappearance on Nanga Parbat. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 100,000 euros is raised to search for British Mountaineer Tom Ballard and his climbing partner Daniele Nardi following their disappearance on Nanga Parbat.
News source(s): BBC news, Italian post, Sky news
Credits:

• Created and nominated by PeaBrainC (talk · give credit)

 PeaBrainC (talk) 14:29, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose We should treat this like that recent footballer that died in a plane crash but wasn't affirmed until weeks later. If they find them alive (even if that requires a difficult rescue effort) or end up stating they are dead, that would be the point of posting. --Masem (t) 14:46, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose ongoing, this would be fine as a blurb. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:15, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake (first time ITN nom) - misunderstood the nature of Ongoing, tagged it as the events are still unfolding. Have now removed Ongoing tag and as if by magic the first (longer) blurb appears. d'oh. PeaBrainC (talk) 15:55, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

You're fine, honestly it's not a hard and fast rule one way or the other. If ten other people come and support for ongoing, that's where it'll go. Welcome to ITN! --LaserLegs (talk) 15:58, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose both ongoing and blurb on lack of general significance. –Ammarpad (talk) 17:10, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose may be more suitable for another part of the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:22, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment @PeaBrainC: it looks like consensus is against posting this to "In The News" but since the article is new, you may find support at WP:DYK "Did You Know". --LaserLegs (talk) 00:20, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) Tornado outbreak of March 3, 2019

Article: Tornado outbreak of March 3, 2019 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A severe tornado outbreak hits Alabama and Georgia, causing at least 23 deaths and severe damage. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Multiple tornadoes in Alabama and Georgia cause at least 23 deaths and widespread damage.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A severe tornado outbreak hits the Southeastern United States, with one tornado causing at least 23 deaths in Alabama.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Tornadoes hit the Southeastern United States, with one tornado causing at least 23 deaths in Alabama.
News source(s): ABC News, AP, Reuters, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Alex of Canada (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Nominating for Alex of Canada who asked it on here. SirEdimon (talk) 05:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• Weak oppose It's spring, tornados in this part of the US are common. --Masem (t) 05:31, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Tornadoes are certainly common, but tornado outbreaks that cause 23 deaths? That's pretty rare. Also deadliest natural disaster in the US since the hurricane season. Edit: deadliest tornado outbreak since 2014. Alex of Canada (talk) 05:33, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Deadliest tornado outbreak in the US since 2014. The article is relatively small, but it's likely to improve as more information breaks. Alex of Canada (talk) 05:38, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Question is this how we name such outbreaks? No indication in the title of any geographical context whatsoever? The Rambling Man (talk) 06:51, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Apparently yes. See: Tornado outbreak of May 7–10, 2016, Tornado outbreak sequence of May 22–26, 2016, Tornado outbreak of April 27–30, 2014, Tornado outbreak sequence of May 21–26, 2011, Tornado outbreak sequence of May 21–26, 2011.--SirEdimon (talk) 07:08, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
    • The article has been moved to Alabama/Georgia tornado outbreak of March 3, 2019. Is it better? --BorgQueen (talk) 10:16, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

      Yes, much better, it begs the question why all the other articles aren't named similarly. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

      • Good move. @TRM, I always assumed titles avoided geographic specifications due to the possibility of a tornado covering multiple states and so making the title bulbous and unwieldy. But this certainly works. ——SerialNumber54129 13:30, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

        • @The Rambling Man, BorgQueen, and Serial Number 54129: convention in WP:SEVERE is to keep titles to just dates unless it has a widely accepted name (such as the 2011 Super Outbreak). It avoids the issue of giving too much weight to some areas and keeps the title neutral. In this case, calling it the "Alabama/Georgia" outbreak no longer applies as multiple tornadoes have been confirmed in Florida. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 18:24, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment if it's going to claim 12 tornadoes, it needs to list 12 tornadoes with refs (or do a content fork for the list of storms until they can get references). Would benefit from a paragraph of prose about the EF3 which killed 23. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:09, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Phrasing in the the "Casualties" section seems like it would age out very quickly ("wait for morning" and "currently"). This assumes/requires someone will update it within the next few hours which may not happen. Are there any style guidelines on avoiding this? GreatCaesarsGhost 12:16, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose perhaps the most deadly tornado outbreak since 14, but still pales behind other recent natural disasters. ——SerialNumber54129 13:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment – Multiple tornadoes killing 23 aren't "common." (Reuters says toll likely to rise.) Alt1 offered above. – Sca (talk) 13:43, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support Article looks of proper quality and properly referenced, it happened recently, and the news covered it appropriately. Checks all of the right boxes for me. --Jayron32 17:05, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment – I would suggest rewording the blurb to indicate all the fatalities are from a single tornado in Alabama rather than from the event collectively. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 18:24, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support per Jayron32. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:29, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support with Cyclonebiskit's suggested change. Spengouli (talk) 18:34, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Note, per suggestions, I have created another blurb. Would suggest Alt2 be posted based on the several suggestions here. --Jayron32 18:46, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support ALT2. Significant coverage and unusual death toll. Teemu08 (talk) 21:09, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support – Alt3, offered above as simplified version of Alt2, dispensing with "outbreak," which sounds more like an outbreak of measles, the flu, etc. – Sca (talk) 21:15, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support ALT2. @Sca: Tornado outbreaks are what they are called. Nihlus 01:16, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Hmmm. I don't recall encountering this usage, but ... meh. Sca (talk) 22:58, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support – Uncommon disaster with high death toll. -Zanhe (talk) 04:39, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 04:51, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

March 2

Portal:Current events/2019 March 2

March 2, 2019 (2019-03-02) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2019 India–Pakistan standoff Indian and Pakistani soldiers target each other’s posts and villages in Kashmir, killing at least six civilians and two Pakistani troops. (Associated Press) Use of chemical weapons in the Syrian Civil War Douma chemical attack The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons's Fact-Finding Mission in Syria issues its report regarding the April 7, 2018 chemical attack in Douma. It reveals that there is conclusive evidence that proves a toxic chemical containing molecular chlorine was used in the attack. However, it did not assign blame for the attack. Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and the opposition blame each other for the attack. (Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons) International relations South Korea–United States relations The United States and South Korea announce that their annual large-scale exercises, commonly known as Foal Eagle and Key Resolve, will end and will be re-configured into smaller exercises. The joint exercises will be done on a small unit level and may include virtual training similar to the 2018 exercises. (CNN) Law and crime Through a royal decree, King Salman of Saudi Arabia revokes the citizenship of Hamza bin Laden, Osama bin Laden's son, who works in the Al-Qaeda terrorist organization. The announcement comes after the United States government offered a reward of up to $1 million for information leading to the identification or location of him. Interpol has issued an Interpol notice for him after United Nations Security Council imposed sanctions on him which includes assets freeze, travel ban and arms embargo. He remains at large. (CBS News), (Interpol), (United Nations Security Council) Tashonty Toney, son of a police officer, was arrested for vehicular homicide, vehicular negligent injury, hit-and-run and reckless operation of a motor vehicle after he veered into a bike line near a Mardi Gras parade route in New Orleans. He accidentally killed 2 and injured 7 cyclists while drunk and drugged. (fox8live) (Advocate) Politics and elections 2019 Algerian presidential election Tens of thousands of Algerians take to streets to protest President Abdelaziz Bouteflika's bid to seek re-election in 2019 presidential election in what is Algeria's biggest anti-government protests since the 2011 protests. 183 people have been injured. (Reuters) 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis Colombia's Immigration Authority states that 567 Venezuelan soldiers have defected to Colombia from Nicolás Maduro's government since February 23, 2019. They were members of Venezuela's Armed Forces and Venezuela's National Police. (Business Insider), (CNN Spanish) Science and technology 2019 in spaceflight SpaceX launches the first Crew Dragon spacecraft to the International Space Station as part of the Crew Dragon Demo-1 mission, with the first stage of its Falcon 9 launch vehicle making a successful landing on the drone ship Of Course I Still Love You. (The New York Times)

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(Posted) RD: Nathaniel Taylor (actor)

Article: Nathaniel Taylor (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times 4 March USA Today 2 March
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kiraroshi1976 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article with everything sourced. Died on 27 Feb but death was reported in newspapers on 2 March onwards. DBigXrayᗙ 15:00, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support - Good enough.--SirEdimon (talk) 19:24, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Sourced and went from Stub Class to Start Class. Kiraroshi1976 (talk) 19:39, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
•  Posted, nice work — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Werner Schneyder

Article: Werner Schneyder (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Merkur and many others
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Multi-talented great spirit, cabaret, boxing, journalism, TV presenting, ... - no article in English until today. - He was found dead 2 March, was alive 1 Mar, so day of death is not quite clear. - Much more on the German Wikipedia, but my time is limited, - help welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:12, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support Looks to be in decent shape. --Jayron32 19:40, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Recordings section completely unreferenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:24, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

I am tired. I referenced the LPs, and commented out the others. Anybody could have done that (or comment out the section completely. It's there in German, of course). Authority control is a blessing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

There's an ongoing discussion about forking off things like unreferenced discographies on the talk page. Commenting stuff out just to get it onto RD is considered bad form. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:47, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

I now sourced most of the CDs. Three missing, but I can't keep my eyes open any longer. Anybody can find the three if needed. - These are CDs of spoken German, rather not essential for the English Wikipedia, I'd say. - I am still not over Previn. Unvelievable that we gave Pell prominence for several days, instead. - Get to RD what readers should know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:01, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support - I think I fixed the last few refs issues. For me, it's good to go. Great job by Gerda Arendt.--SirEdimon (talk) 19:22, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:42, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Francisco Macri

Article: Francisco Macri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, Washington Post
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Cambalachero (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Father of current president of Argentina Mauricio Macri, and important businessman on his own right. Cambalachero (talk) 05:26, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• Weak support refs are a mess but at least allow verifiability of the facts (for the time being). The Rambling Man (talk) 06:47, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support I have reformatted some of the refs. –Ammarpad (talk) 17:20, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:12, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Page name is "Franco", also gives "Francesco". I do not find "Francisco" anywhere. 72.94.18.179 (talk) 13:31, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

  The article was moved after this was posted. I've updated it — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:34, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ogden Reid

Article: Ogden Reid (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Newyorkbrad (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: New York Herald Tribune editor and Congressman; requested by Newyorkbrad on his usertalk [34]. Softlavender (talk) 04:29, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support This is ready to go. –Ammarpad (talk) 06:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support looks satis. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:44, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. 331dot (talk) 08:44, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Laws of the Game changes

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Articles: Laws of the Game (association football) (talk · history · tag) and Scoring in association football (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The International Football Association Board amends the Laws of the Game, disallowing hand balls among other changes. (Post)
News source(s): IFAB, BBC, Sky Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)

Both articles updated

Nominator's comments: While previous amendments could be seen as cosmetic, this time it's a set of changes directly related to the gameplay. Other related articles may require updates. Brandmeister^talk 15:31, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose seems like 1) routine (rules of professional sports are frequently changed between seasons to tweak the game) and 2) relatively trivial (a rarely occuring scoring mechanism highlighting the changes on the sources reporting it). --Masem (t) 15:47, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose as noted above, routine and trivial. If they were going to allow mixed teams, or play until someone scored ten goals or add two extra goals at each end, it'd be worth considering, but this is tinkering around the edges. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:13, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose this is ultra-minor tinkering to bring the official rules into line with what 99.9% of the world already thought they were. To be honest, I don't think this should even be listed as a "notable amendment" on the article. ‑ Iridescent 20:48, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose So you can't use your hand in football? Thanks for clearing that up. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 20:55, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Closed) RD: Yannis Behrakis

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Article: Yannis Behrakis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Referencing issues, article is bad as well. Pulitzer-prize winning photojournalist for Reuters news. Sherenk1 (talk) 06:15, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. A large paragraph of text is unreferenced as is the Awards section. Capitalistroadster (talk) 08:09, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose poor article, lacking refs. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:08, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Closed) SpaceX Dragon 2

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Article: Dragon 2 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ SpaceX successfully launches an unmanned test of Dragon 2 (rendering pictured) for shuttling crew between Earth and orbit. (Post)
News source(s): ArsTech
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I do not believe this qualifies as any space exploration ITNR but I feel its a key step in SpaceX's program. While they have launched a cargo-bearing Dragon 2 before, this is designed to carry crew between ISS and Earth eventually once all critical tests are done. That said, barring any change, a crew-bound test of the Dragon 2 in planned in July 2019, so that might be a better point, but I don't know how others feel. Masem (t) 16:22, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment – I'd say unmanned test flights don't usually warrant posting. – Sca (talk) 16:29, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
  • But I would assume that this planned July one would probably merit something? Still outside ITNR but would be a major feat still... --Masem (t) 16:41, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Needs some refs, then strong support this obviously notable milestone of the first flight of a new spacecraft. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:52, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – If any flight in the Commercial Crew Development program should be featured, it should be the Crew Dragon Demo-2 and Boeing Crew Flight Test later this year. Those flights will actually be historic, as it will have the first astronauts on American spacecraft for the first time in eight years. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 18:45, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
• Question if this is the first test flight of the vessel, wouldn't this be ITNR? Banedon (talk) 22:50, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

• Questionable, as this is just the SpaceX Dragon with slightly larger windows and redesigned solar panels, rather than a new design per se. Since aside from genuinely routine missions like ISS resupply flights every spacecraft is configured differently to suit the mission profile, what you're proposing would essentially make every satellite launch where the satellite is an unusual shape or mass, or every time Boeing tests a new variant of the 787, ITNR. ‑ Iridescent 23:03, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

• I'd support a new variant of the 737 or A320 TBH, it's not at all routine --LaserLegs (talk) 23:13, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

• Yes, you could support the nomination, but not the ITNR. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@Iridescent, I didn't propose anything. I asked a question. Also, oppose per Iridescent. Banedon (talk) 21:47, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

• As I've pointed out before, the ITNR for Space Exploration is a bit of a dumpster fire. OTOH, it's not like we're plagued with nominations on this front. Posting the biggest news rocketry once a quarter is fine. GreatCaesarsGhost 02:26, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

• Weak support The news is sufficiently covering this, and the article is fairly decent, but that article doesn't have much of an update on the current mission; only to note that it happened and the date. I'd like to see the information on this specific launch expanded in the target/bolded article, but otherwise this looks good to go. --Jayron32 17:08, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

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(Closed) RD: Zhores Alferov

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Article: Zhores Alferov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sputnik
Credits:

• Nominated by Openlydialectic (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nobel prize in physics laureate. Openlydialectic (talk) 11:43, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

• So many awards/honors need citation. –Ammarpad (talk) 16:20, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose too much unreferenced material. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:04, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

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March 1

Portal:Current events/2019 March 1

March 1, 2019 (2019-03-01) (Friday) Business and economy Amazon announces plans to open dozens of proprietary grocery stores in several major U.S. cities. (The Wall Street Journal), (Fortune) Disasters and accidents A bus overturns on the Qom–Tehran Highway in Iran, killing eight people (including the driver) and injuring more than thirty others. Officials claim the driver fell asleep. (France 24) A Russian cargo ship collides with a motorway bridge in the city of Busan, South Korea. The captain is reported to be drunk. (The Guardian) A leaking oil pipeline explodes in Bayelsa, Nigeria; a stampede follows. Over 50 are reported missing. (The Guardian) A BMW collides with two oncoming minibuses between Fouriesburg and Bethlehem in Free State, South Africa, killing thirteen and injuring eight. (Eyewitness News) International relations Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh Bangladesh's Foreign Secretary Shahidul Haque tells the United Nations Security Council that his country will no longer accept Rohingya refugees fleeing violence across the border in Rakhine State, and accuses Myanmar of "hollow promises" regarding repatriation. (BBC News) North Korea–Vietnam relations North Korean leader Kim Jong-un begins an official visit to Vietnam, three days after arriving in the country for a nuclear summit with U.S. President Donald Trump that ended in deadlock. (The Straits Times) 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis The Trump administration announced Friday it is revoking the visas of 49 Maduro-aligned officials and their families and sanctioning several top military and security officials, part of a major U.S. campaign to push contested Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro from power. (Fox News) Politics and elections 2020 United States presidential election, 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries Washington Governor Jay Inslee announces he will join the Democratic Party primaries in 2020 and cites fighting climate change as a reason. (Time), (The New York Times)

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(Posted) RD: Katherine Helmond

Article: Katherine Helmond (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article with everything sourced. Twice Golden Globe winning actress. Died on 23 Feb, but news of her death was released and got published only on 1 March, hence listed on 1 March as RD (Refer example of Emiliano Sala). DBigXrayᗙ 17:34, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support No concerns jumping out. GreatCaesarsGhost 02:26, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• Weakest oppose the Emmy nominations &c. are not completely verifiable from the sources. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:06, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

• The Rambling Man I have added the refs for Emmy noms and Golden Globes. Please see if you can support now. --DBigXrayᗙ 05:07, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support you got it. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:49, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:43, 4 March 2019 (UTC)