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[[/Archive 1|Archive of certain discussions before November 19, 2008]] |
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==[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive177 The dubious block]== |
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<div class="user-block"> [[Image:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left]] You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for {{#if:24 hours|a period of '''24 hours'''|a short time}} in accordance with [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|Wikipedia's blocking policy]] for engaging in an [[WP:EDITWAR|edit war]]{{#if:| at [[:{{{1}}}]]}}. Please be more careful to [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|discuss controversial changes]] or seek [[WP:DR|dispute resolution]] rather than engaging in an [[WP:EW|edit war]]. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|contest the block]] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "nowiki" tags. --><nowiki>{{</nowiki>unblock|''your reason here''<nowiki>}}</nowiki><!-- Do not include the "nowiki" tags. --> below. {{#if:true|<small>[[User:Seicer|<font color="#CC0000">seicer</font>]] | [[User_talk:Seicer|<font color="#669900">talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Seicer|<font color="#669900">contribs</font>]]</small> 14:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)}}</div><!-- Template:uw-ewblock --> |
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:As clearly stated above, and in multiple edit summaries by others, linking to dates is generally not acceptable per [[WP:MOS#Dates]] and [[MOS:UNLINKDATES]]. Furthermore, [[WP:CONTEXT|overlinking]] on multiple articles is not acceptable, either. Further reverts on any of these changes with little to no discussion, and a continuation of your edit warring post-block, will lead to lengthier blocks. <small>[[User:Seicer|<font color="#CC0000">seicer</font>]] | [[User_talk:Seicer|<font color="#669900">talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Seicer|<font color="#669900">contribs</font>]]</small> 14:30, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::As I and many editors have noted many times on the MOS discussion pages and at [[WP:Tennis]], there has never been and is not now a consensus to eliminate '''existing''' date links, regardless of whether there is consensus to '''add new''' date links. (Regrettably, you apparently do not understand this concept as you have not actively participated in those discussions.) See, for example, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Cleanbot denial to use Cleanbot to remove existing date links], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shereth/MOSNUM this], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#disputedtag this], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_111#Strike_out_.22Dates_are_not_linked_unless_there_is_a_particular_reason_to_do_so.22. this], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_112#Proposal_for_bot.2Fscript-assisted_date_unlinking this], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_112#Enforcement_of_MOS:UNLINKDATES this], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Date_Linking_RFC this], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Full_date_formatting this], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Ending_the_cycle_:_formal_RFC this]. And as has been proven, there is certainly no consensus within the tennis project to eliminate date links for tennis articles. Regardless of whether there is consensus in the MOS '''guidelines''' (not a policy) to eliminate those links, English-language Wikipedia precedent is clear that a more specific consensus (for tennis articles) prevails over a more general consensus (in the MOS). See, for example, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gwen_Gale/archive5#RE:_Wikipedia:Requested_moves.2FTennis this discussion]. I have simply been preserving the status quo in the face of tag-team disruptive editing (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dabomb87#Warning_regarding_unlinking_of_dates this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Date_delinker#Warning_regarding_unlinking_of_dates this]), after canvassing and '''without consensus''' by: (1) the single-purpose account [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Date_delinker Datedelinker]; (2) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lightmouse Lightmouse], who has made thousands of controversial date delinking edits using [[WP:AWB|AWB]] despite the policy that prohibits AWB from being used to do anything "controversial"; (3) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tony1 Tony1], who often engages in blind reverts of my edits and whose legendary incivility and disruption includes, among many other things, accusing me on various discussion pages of having a mental illness and being a pig; (4) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SkyWalker Skywalker], who often engages in blind reverts of everything I do, regardless of the nature of my edits; (5) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_Rambling_Man_on_tour The Rambling Man on tour], whose incivility, hostility, and false accusations continue unabated and who often engages in blind reverts of my work; (6) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Closedmouth Closedmouth], who has done thousands of script-based and AWB edits on this issue despite being asked to stop; (7) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2008Olympian 2008Olympian], who has done hundreds of script-based edits on this issue; (8) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dabomb87 Dabomb87], who has done hundreds of script-based edits on this issue, ignored requests to stop doing so, and edit warred to enforce his date-delinking agenda (e.g., [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Casey_Dellacqua&action=history five reverts in three days], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jessica_Moore_(tennis)&action=history) five reverts in three days]); and, (9) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Colonies_Chris Colonies Chris], who has done thousands of AWB-based edits on this issue. All of the preceding editors have done multiple reversions of the articles in question and should be blocked under the same (dubious) rationale. By the way, there is no editor on English-language Wikipedia who has done more to improve tennis biographies than myself (check out my tens-of-thousands of edits). And there are few editors besides myself who would try to uphold the core policy of Wikipedia concerning consensus in the face of so much hostility and incivility from the preceding editors and a few others, despite my never being hostile or incivil to them in return. This block proves that none of that matters; therefore, I am retiring from Wikipedia, effective immediately. But before I go, it's worth noting that the blocking administrator himself (assuming gender here) is making disruptively blind reverts of my edits, too. See, for example, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Margaret_Osborne_duPont&diff=prev&oldid=252783887 Margaret Osborne duPont], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jimmy_Evert&diff=prev&oldid=252784160 Jimmy Evert], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lawson_Duncan&diff=prev&oldid=252784137 Lawson Duncan], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fred_Hagist&diff=prev&oldid=252784307 Fred Hagist], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gigi_Fernández&diff=prev&oldid=252783980 Gigi Fernandez], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pat_Du_Pré&diff=prev&oldid=252784120 Pat DuPre], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brian_Dunn&diff=prev&oldid=252783937 Brian Dunn], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Herb_Fitzgibbon&diff=prev&oldid=252784184 Herb Fitzgibbon], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Herbert_Flam&diff=prev&oldid=252784201 Herbert Flam]. Perhaps he should be blocked.... [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 19:05, [[November 19]], [[2008]] (UTC) |
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::[[User:Ohconfucius|Ohconfucius]], the owner of the single-purpose sockpuppet [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Date_delinker Datedelinker], said on the administrators' noticeboard that, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&diff=252791320&oldid=252790989 "I believe that edits of mine which rendered dates in a consistent dmy or mdy format have also been reverted, in blatant contempt of the guideline."] That is completely false. I have been very careful to preserve the correct formats and have corrected them wherever I have found errors. Ohconfucius also said, "I am aware that TE ... [has] been aggressively fighting application of [[WP:MOSNUM]] notably in relation to deprecation of date-autoformatting." That is also completely false, as I have merely been trying to preserve the existing consensus until there is a new consensus to delete existing date links. It is these kinds of intentional or grossly negligent misrepresentation of facts that has contributed to my decision to retire. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 21:43, [[November 19]], [[2008]] (UTC) |
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::[[User:Seicer|Seicer]] has refused to fix the unfortunate consequences of his blind reverts of the articles I listed above. That says a lot about his character, in my opinion. He also said [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Special:Contributions.2FTennis_expert at the administrators noticeboard], "Take this to the policy talk pages and have the policy overwritten." Obviously, he doesn't understand the issue, which is that there is '''no policy''' to eliminate existing date links. Despite there not being a policy to eliminate existing date links, the editors I listed above have employed automated and semi-automated means to implement their misguided conception of the MOS. He also has made negligently false allegations against me [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Special:Contributions.2FTennis_expert here]: (1) "Tennis Expert, from what I can infer from his contributions, has engaged in mass reverts over dozens of pages hundreds of times over." Do the math. Let's assume "500" = "hundreds of times over". Let's also assume that "36" = dozens of pages. 500 divided by 36 yields approximately 14 reverts per article. I challenge this administrator to find even one article that I even remotely reverted that much. This administrator obviously didn't bother to do his homework before slandering me. (2) "... simply remove any discussions that may be worth reading such as here...." This is the problem that inevitably results when a lazy administrator, semiretired no less, hastily and rashly blocks without bothering to determine the facts. I have discussed the date delinking issues over-and-over-and-over-and-over, both on the MOS discussion pages and at [[WP:TENNIS]]. I also have said why I have no intention of engaging in yet another dialogue about the exact same issues with editors such as Rambling Man on Tour (RMOT), who are routinely hostile and incivil to me. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASkyWalker&diff=251077235&oldid=251064883 this]. RMOT was aware of my intentions but continued to pointlessly harrass me on my discussion page, which is why his posts were deleted there. See [[WP:HUSH]] and [[WP:UP#CMT]]. Of course, [[User:Seicer|Seicer]] wouldn't know about that '''because he didn't bother to ask'''. Drive-by, "I can't be bothered by the facts" blocking was his solution. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 02:30, [[November 20]], [[2008]] (UTC) |
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::[[User:Seicer|Seicer]] has said at the administrators noticeboard, "Tennis Expert has not been the only one edit warring, and although it would be a tad late to block other users over this, if I see it continue on by other editors, you can be guaranteed that more blocks will be given out." Yet, Seicer has literally invited two editors to engage in the very edit warring that Seicer has promised will result in a block. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ohconfucius&diff=prev&oldid=252791173 this post by Seicer on Ohconfuscius's talk page] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2008Olympian&diff=prev&oldid=252791191 this post by Seicer on 2008Olympian's talk page]. How strange. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 02:47, [[November 20]], [[2008]] (UTC) |
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:::[[User:Seicer|Seicer]] also has issued a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&diff=252790989&oldid=252790633 general invitation to engage in the type of edit warring that he has promised will result in a block]. I wonder if it is permissible for an administrator to block an editor, such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/TimVickers Tim Vickers], for behavior that the administrator is actively soliciting. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 03:14, [[November 20]], [[2008]] (UTC) |
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Dude. What a totally pointless issue to retire over. Don't [[WP:DIVA|be a diva]]. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:55, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:Agreed, though I wouldn't put it quite like MMN did. Tennis expert, I'd strongly encourage you not to retire. [[User:GlassCobra|<font color="002bb8">Glass</font>]]'''[[User talk:GlassCobra|<font color="002bb8">Cobra</font>]]''' 21:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:Agreed x2. Your contributions to Wikipedia are valuable IMO, and your continued assistance in undoing the damage done by editors such as Ohconfuscious, Dabomb87 and Tony1 are appreciated. I do hope you'll reconsider. —[[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] • [[User talk:Locke Cole|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Locke Cole|c]] 22:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::Thanks, but that effort is futile now that administrators are willing to block our attempts to fix the damage and are unwilling to do anything to prevent AWB and scripts from being used to date-delink hundreds of thousands of Wikipedia articles before there is any consensus to do so. (Have a look at Lightmouse's recent contribution history.) The damage is irreperable. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 22:10, [[November 19]], [[2008]] (UTC) |
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:::[[Wikipedia:No climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man|Your costume has arrived]]. [[User:TimVickers|Tim Vickers]] ([[User talk:TimVickers|talk]]) 23:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Give [[WP:NPA]] a read sometime, you might find yourself blocked someday if you continue making personal attacks. —[[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] • [[User talk:Locke Cole|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Locke Cole|c]] 01:43, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::: Were you hoping you'd be missed? I don't think anyone even believes you'll leave, and expressions of regret will be few and far between given your problems with [[WP:OWN]]ership of articles. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 23:38, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Hardly as bad as the editors (as far as date linking go anyways) who seem to think they own Wikipedia. —[[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] • [[User talk:Locke Cole|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Locke Cole|c]] 01:43, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Exactly which articles have I attempted to exercise [[WP:OWN]]ership over? [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 02:36, [[November 20]], [[2008]] (UTC) |
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I still don't see what the big deal is. I like the linked dates at the top of this page, though. Very droll. --[[User:Closedmouth|Closedmouth]] ([[User talk:Closedmouth|talk]]) 07:27, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:I think many of your early contributions have been fantastic, but of late the continual reverts have become too much. You even blind reverted edits where I added templates, corrected markup and improved articles, just to make a point. I don't understand why you couldn't have just worked on getting an article to good or featured status. [[User:The Rambling Man on tour|The Rambling Man on tour]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man on tour|talk]]) 08:40, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::Go away, RMOT. Continue your world tour or whatever. Your ongoing incivility, hostility, exaggerations, and lying (as exemplified by your latest post) don't do anyone any good. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 17:37, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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Regardless of the question as to whether [[User:Tennis expert]]'s retirement is good for Wikipedia, there is '''no doubt''' that this block was wrong. In fact, there have been a number of improper blocks regarding [[WP:MOSDATE]], due to a real dispute about consensus as to a change made in August 2008, and, even if there were a consensus, further misinterpreations. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 15:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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PS ''Where'' did I accuse you "of having a mental illness and being a pig"? Are you sure? I can't imagine it. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 11:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:You really shouldn't ask questions like this without being prepared to deal with the answers. Accusations of a mental disorder can be found [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASkyWalker&diff=250230696&oldid=250225540 here], among other places. Here are some examples of disparaging names you have called me: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Maedin&diff=prev&oldid=246066855 "Tennis pest"], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Rambling_Man&diff=prev&oldid=246067588 "Tennis fanatic"], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tony1&diff=prev&oldid=244088626 "pig"], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tony1&diff=prev&oldid=243881040 "very eccentric"]. And those are only the ones I know about. Contrast your hostility toward me with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALightmouse&diff=237242330&oldid=237239673 my empathy toward you when an RFC was started about you]. When you get the time, have a look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civil#Personal_attacks_and_harassment this]. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 07:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC) |
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(To Colonies Chris): I'm not saying Tennis expert has consensus, but Lightmouse/Lightbot/Tony1 etc. do not. I don't see Tennis expert as doing anything wrong; he shouldn't have been blocked, and the semibots removing date links ''should'' be blocked. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 15:34, 21 November 2008 (UTC) |
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==Blind reverts by [[User:The Rambling Man on tour|The Rambling Man on tour]]== |
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[[User:The Rambling Man on tour|The Rambling Man on tour]] inaccurately claimed [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dweller#Stuff_and_all here] that he had not made any blind reverts. To set the record straight, I corrected his blind reverts as follows: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monica_Seles&diff=prev&oldid=245624646 Monica Seles], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andrea_Jaeger&diff=prev&oldid=245624690 Andrea Jaeger], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Natasha_Zvereva&diff=prev&oldid=245625197 Natasha Zvereva], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fran%C3%A7oise_Durr&diff=prev&oldid=245626430 Francoise Durr], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Margaret_Osborne_duPont&diff=prev&oldid=245626474 Margaret Osborne duPont], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nancye_Wynne_Bolton&diff=prev&oldid=245626519 Nancye Wynne Bolton], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jana_Novotn%C3%A1&diff=prev&oldid=245626591 Jana Novotna], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arantxa_S%C3%A1nchez_Vicario&diff=prev&oldid=245626698 Arantxa Sanchez Vicario], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MaliVai_Washington&diff=prev&oldid=245626743 Malivai Washington], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wendy_Turnbull&diff=prev&oldid=245626771 Wendy Turnbull], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Virginia_Ruzici&diff=prev&oldid=245626845 Virginia Ruzici], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=C%C3%A9dric_Pioline&diff=prev&oldid=245626888 Cedric Pioline], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jennifer_Capriati&diff=prev&oldid=245627055 Jennifer Capriati], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mima_Jau%C5%A1ovec&diff=prev&oldid=245627073 Mima Jausovec], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Conchita_Mart%C3%ADnez&diff=prev&oldid=246038847 Conchita Martinez], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jennifer_Capriati&diff=prev&oldid=246039030 Jennifer Capriati (2)], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emilio_S%C3%A1nchez&diff=prev&oldid=250008558 Emilio Sanchez], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tony_Roche&diff=prev&oldid=250529482 Tony Roche], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elizabeth_Ryan&diff=prev&oldid=250530414 Elizabeth Ryan], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marion_Jones_(tennis)&diff=prev&oldid=250530525 Marion Jones], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christophe_Rochus&diff=prev&oldid=250532113 Christophe Rochus]. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 12:29, 23 November 2008 (UTC) |
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==Discussion originally on [[User:Ohconfucius|Ohconfucius's]] discussion page about repeated editing errors made by him == |
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Ohconfucius "archived" the following discussion almost immediately after the last addition to it and did not correct the mistakes noted below. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 16:50, 15 December 2008 (UTC) |
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That article started as mdy, not dmy,[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arantxa_S%C3%A1nchez_Vicario&oldid=3501981] so according to MOSNUM, it should remain as origianlly started since it is not associated with an English-speaking country that uses dmy.--[[User:2008Olympian|<font color="blue">2008</font><font color="DD9922">Olym</font><font color="black">pian</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:2008Olympian|<font color="green">chit</font><font color="BB0000">chat</font>]]</sup> 08:37, 12 December 2008 (UTC) |
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*I [Ohconfucius] changed it since Spain is [[Calendar_date#dd.2Fmm.2Fyyyy or dd.mm.yyyy .28day.2C month.2C year.29|listed as being a dmy country]], believing that to be the correct format. I have no issues to it being put back. Apologies for the inconvenience. [[User:Ohconfucius|Ohconfucius]] ([[User talk:Ohconfucius#top|talk]]) 09:08, 12 December 2008 (UTC) |
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You [Ohconfucius] just made the same kind of error concerning [[Marion Bartoli]], [[Arantxa Sanchez Vicario]], [[Andrei Pavel]], [[Alex Metreveli]], and [[Jana Novotna]] with your alternate account [[User:Date delinker|Date delinker]]. You also changed Maria Bueno's middle name from "Audion" to "Audition". These incidents illustrate why the frenetic use of AWB to edit articles is often damaging to the encylopedia. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert|talk]]) 11:13, 12 December 2008 (UTC) |
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**I've [2008Olympian] made the same mistake before. Unless it is an English-speaking country, the date format follows whatever the article started off having. If it is an English-speaking country, then it follow the format of that country. It may not be intuitively what one would expect, but that is the current guideline. Thanks. And making that mistake has nothing to do with whether one uses a script, btw. Good thing I have a script to use actually, because that error is made ''all'' the time by lots of editors.--[[User:2008Olympian|<font color="blue">2008</font><font color="DD9922">Olym</font><font color="black">pian</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:2008Olympian|<font color="green">chit</font><font color="BB0000">chat</font>]]</sup> 12:48, 12 December 2008 (UTC |
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Please correct the following tennis biographies where you [Ohconfucius] made the same mistake: [[Conchita Martinez]], [[Virginia Ruzici]], [[Bjorn Borg]], [[Mats Wilander]], [[Johanna Larsson]], [[Alberto Berasategui]], [[Sergi Bruguera]], [[Tomas Carbonell]], [[Alex Corretja]], [[Albert Costa]], [[Carlos Costa]], [[Juan Carlos Ferrero]], [[Lourdes Domínguez Lino]], [[Feliciano López]], [[Marc López]], [[José López-Maeso]], [[Marta Marrero]], [[Anabel Medina Garrigues]], [[Albert Montañés]], [[Arantxa Parra Santonja]], [[Rubén Ramírez Hidalgo]], [[Magüi Serna]], [[Santiago Ventura Bertomeu]], [[Flavia Pennetta]], [[Mikael Tillström]], [[Jonas Svensson]], [[Åsa Svensson]], [[Henrik Sundström]], [[Robin Söderling]], [[Ulf Stenlund]], [[Hans Simonsson]], [[Christina Sandberg]], [[Michael Ryderstedt]], [[Sandra Roma]], [[Mikael Pernfors]], [[Frans Möller]], [[Hanna Nooni]], [[Catarina Lindqvist]], [[Magnus Larsson]], [[Nicklas Kulti]], [[Lars Jonsson (tennis)|Lars Jonsson]], [[Rasmus Jonasson]], [[Torsten Johansson]], [[Thomas Johansson]], [[Joachim Johansson]], [[Anders Järryd]], [[Henrik Holm]], [[Ebba Hay]], [[Magnus Gustafsson]], [[Simon Aspelin]], [[Edith Arnheim]], [[Jan Apell]], [[Märtha Adlerstråhle]], [[Jan Gunnarsson]], [[Thorsten Grönfors]], [[Sigrid Fick]], [[Sven Davidson]], [[Margareta Cederschiöld]], [[Kent Carlsson]], and [[Jonas Björkman]]. The preceding dates from roughly [[November 17]], [[2008]], and, therefore, is not an exhaustive list. Thanks. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert|talk]]) 06:17, 13 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:New errors of the same type made by you [Ohconfucius]: [[Silvija Talaja]] and [[Miloslav Mečíř]]. When are these errors going to stop? And when are the older errors going to be corrected? [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert|talk]]) 14:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC) |
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== Is someone ornery? == |
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I may be pushing the needle to the red. May need some support, since we apparently have someone with an attitude who will archive discussions that are [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Eusebeus&diff=258825675&oldid=258822075 difficult to address]. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.87.42.110|68.87.42.110]] ([[User talk:68.87.42.110|talk]]) 19:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC) |
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==Re: Acura Classic== |
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Back then I was unsure if the policy on the French Wikipedia of merging tournaments that took place in the same city into one would be implemented here...this article[http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/20070729-9999-1s29acura.html] gives the impression that the Ginny of San Diego was a new event: it neglects to mention Fargo as one of the sponsors amongst other things. It might also have changed venue between 1982 and 1984 (based on the ITF website). A more appropriate line might be that the event was "reintroduced to the Tour a year later (1984)..." (if a full history is being provided). [[User:Yohan euan o4|Yohan euan o4]] ([[User talk:Yohan euan o4|talk]]) 16:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC) |
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== Karnak666 == |
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Hello I would like to bring this user [[User:Karnak666]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Karnak666]] to your attention. He continuously removes sourced content from the Andre Agassi page. I have reverted it back to the last edit which was yours. He has done this in past without discussion whatsoever and he continues to push his POV into this article . I would appreciate it if you could do something about this disruptive editing. I have come to you because you have an expertise in this field and I respect you as editor on this topic. Thanks [[User:Nineveh 209|Ninevite]] ([[User talk:Nineveh 209|talk]]) 01:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC) |
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==Date delinking arbitration== |
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I've started a request at [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Date delinking]] which you may wish to comment on. —[[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] • [[User talk:Locke Cole|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Locke Cole|c]] 03:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC) |
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==Musiclover query== |
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The musiclover account has nothing to do with me. Also, regarding your query about alternate accounts, there was nothing sinister involved - I created it a while ago to mainly focus on football edits but have not used it in months. Could you stop spamming my talkpage and instead help to improve the articles. Cheers. [[User:03md|03md]] ([[User talk:03md|talk]]) 19:06, 10 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:What are you trying to prove here - I only created the other account so that I didn't always have to use the same one. Matcham of the Day and 03md are the only accounts I have - the other one you talk about is an ip address. I have not used MOTD account in a couple of months. Could you stop bugging me because I am trying to help the Tennis wikiproject. My edits to the Brisbane International article were intended to expand the article rather than putting limited details on matches. [[User:03md|03md]] ([[User talk:03md|talk]]) 23:23, 10 January 2009 (UTC) |
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==[[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking]]== |
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An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking|here]]. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking/Evidence]]. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking/Workshop]]. |
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On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, '''[[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|<font color="green">Ryan</font> <font color="purple">Postlethwaite</font>]]<sup>See [[Special:Contributions/Ryan Postlethwaite|the mess I've created]] or [[User talk:Ryan Postlethwaite|let's have banter]]</sup>''' 23:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC) |
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== Answer to "alternate accounts" == |
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Firstly, I don't know why did you delete my comment here about your changes on [[Novak Djokovic]] article. It's ironical how you ask people to talk before talking actions, and you're the first one reverting and taking them. |
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Now, if you think that, because I'm opposing to your edits I'm anyone of those people that weren't in your side on the big discussion [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tennis#Tournament_names here], go ahead. Also, check the "new people" which also doesn't want your style [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tennis#And_for_100th_time.2C_the_Key_Biscayne_spam_war_starts_again here]. |
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I can see you're mostly the only one defending that style, instead of trying to get a semi-consensus (you even got a proposal of [[Key Biscayne]],[[Miami-dade country|Miami]], with the second link pointing to the zone on Miami, and denied it, This shows you do not want consensus at all, but to have your own the style. |
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Maybe if you collaborated a little, things would be a lot better on this wikiproject, and we would have good and featured articles. [[User:Keita24|Keita24]] ([[User talk:Keita24|talk]]) 21:07, 13 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:Your post above is virtually unintelligible, and the part I can make out is incivil and unconstructive. Would you mind answering [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKeita24&diff=263887427&oldid=263673116 my question] about whether [[User:Korlzor|Korlzor]] or [[User:Wikitestor|Wikitestor]], or both, are (or were) accounts of yours? It would probably be better if you answered this question on your own talk page. Thanks. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 21:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::The answer is in my post above, which btw is perfectly readable. [[User:Keita24|Keita24]] ([[User talk:Keita24|talk]]) 21:24, 13 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I'm afraid that you have not yet answered the question. But I certainly could understand if you're uncomfortable doing so because of the potential ramifications. By the way, I'm sure you're aware of the vandalism that Korlzor (through many IP sockpuppets) has inflicted during the last week or so. I intend to seek a remedy for that. Maybe you'll be willing to help. I'll send you the link once I've posted everything. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 21:32, 13 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Actualy I've already answered your question, no relation at all. If you have a problem with a particular user, do not mix me inside. Just answer me on the wikiproject discussion. [[User:Keita24|Keita24]] ([[User talk:Keita24|talk]]) 22:52, 13 January 2009 (UTC) |
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==Korlzor== |
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If you believe the blocked user {{vandal|Korlzor}} is abusing anonymous IPs to edit you should make a report/case at [[WP:RFCU]] immediately. [[WP:SSP]] is really only useful for behavioral similarities, but [[WP:RFCU]] may provide you with concrete proof of block evasion. —[[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] • [[User talk:Locke Cole|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Locke Cole|c]] 10:35, 14 January 2009 (UTC) |
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== RE:Sockpuppetry case concerning Korlzor == |
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Hi there. Many thanks for the notification, I appreciate it. Best regards. --[[User:Chasingsol|Chasingsol]][[User Talk:Chasingsol|<sup style="color:darkblue">(talk)</sup>]] 11:28, 14 January 2009 (UTC) |
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==Date delinking evidence== |
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Can you post the diffs you have regarding incivility/misconduct of Tony, etc. in your own section at [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking/Evidence]]? Thanks! —[[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] • [[User talk:Locke Cole|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Locke Cole|c]] 22:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:Talking of which, you just added a pile of (interesting) diffs to the Workshop page. Shouldn't it go in Evidence? -- [[User:Earle Martin|Earle Martin]] [<sup>[[User_talk:Earle Martin|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Earle_Martin|c]]</sub>] 00:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::I always try to add the diffs to both places. If I've left some out, please let me know. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 01:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I was thinking along the lines of putting the diffs on Evidence and linking to the appropriate section there from Workshop - if only to reduce the burden of reading through the page as it expands. Would that be a hassle? Don't worry about it if so. Cheers, -- [[User:Earle Martin|Earle Martin]] [<sup>[[User_talk:Earle Martin|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Earle_Martin|c]]</sub>] 21:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I concur that you are just making work for yourself. I usually just link back to to the evidence section at hand from the relevant workshop section. Anyway, Godspeed! -- [[User:Kendrick7|Kendrick7]]<sup>[[User_talk:Kendrick7|talk]]</sup> 05:00, 11 February 2009 (UTC) |
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==[[User:Keita24|Keita24]]== |
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You are reverting the user's edits from article and I can understand that. But there is no need to remove his comments from the talk pages. I've restore those and I don't think they are doing any sort of harm. <sup>''[[Special:Contributions/LeaveSleaves|<span style="color:#00009C">Leave</span>]]''</sup>'''[[User:LeaveSleaves|<span style="color:#00009C">Sleaves</span>]]''' 06:46, 29 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:You are incorrect. This user is indefinitely blocked, i.e., [[WP:INDEF|banned]]. As such, all his edits should be reverted on sight, including talk page contributions. Those contributions ipso facto harm Wikipedia. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Banning_policy#Enforcement_by_reverting_edits this]. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 07:10, 29 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::I don't see how those contributions to the talk page can be seen harmful. If anything, those comments should be stroke out in order not to confuse other editors of inconsistencies in the conversation. <sup>''[[Special:Contributions/LeaveSleaves|<span style="color:#00009C">Leave</span>]]''</sup>'''[[User:LeaveSleaves|<span style="color:#00009C">Sleaves</span>]]''' 07:31, 29 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::It's regrettable that you don't understand this particular Wikipedia policy. Whether his contributions would've been considered useful had they been made by a reputable editor is ''irrelevant''. His contributions are ''automatically'' disruptive and must be reverted. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 07:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Hmm. I guess I'm just conflicting my brain with various policies. Anyways, thanks for your explanation. <sup>''[[Special:Contributions/LeaveSleaves|<span style="color:#00009C">Leave</span>]]''</sup>'''[[User:LeaveSleaves|<span style="color:#00009C">Sleaves</span>]]''' 07:48, 29 January 2009 (UTC) |
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== Alternate accounts == |
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Is or was [[User:Keita24|Keita24]], [[User:Korlzor|Korlzor]], or [[User:Wikitestor|Wikitestor]] an account of yours? Feel free not to answer this question, but I'm curious given your similar editing objectives (and other, perhaps coincidental, circumstances). Thanks. |
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PS: Did you think "wtf"? Exactly like me [[Image:718smiley.svg|20px]]. [[User:Dreamblack|Dreamblack]] ([[User talk:Dreamblack|talk]]) 13:09, 29 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:Unlike you, I have no problem answering this legitimate question. The answer is "no". [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 14:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC) |
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== revert vandalism lol == |
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He is moving the medalbox to the top, the other day I told him to stop but he keeps, and he did to Justine Henin also. I've warned him. [[User:Dreamblack|Dreamblack]] ([[User talk:Dreamblack|talk]]) 22:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:What does "rw" mean in your edit summaries? [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 22:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::Read it on the title of this section: ReVert Vandalism. [[User:Dreamblack|Dreamblack]] ([[User talk:Dreamblack|talk]]) 23:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::That should be "rvv", not "rw". [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 23:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::::I've seen somewhere, that when reverting vandalism, "rw" could be used instead of "rvv", im gonna search for it. [[User:Dreamblack|Dreamblack]] ([[User talk:Dreamblack|talk]]) 23:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Maybe I've seen it on Rafael Nadal's old history that time, because I can't find it on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revert_vandalism , so you are true, it's rvv instead of rw. Thanks! [[User:Dreamblack|Dreamblack]] ([[User talk:Dreamblack|talk]]) 23:11, 3 February 2009 (UTC) |
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== Recall == |
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The process is here... [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators_open_to_recall/Default_process] |
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I am not likely to be around for a week or so as I will soon be on a boat in the Galapagos Islands and I think it unlikely I can get onto Wikipedia from there. Nevertheless, feel free to start it up whenever you like. [[User:The Rambling Man on tour|The Rambling Man on tour]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man on tour|talk]]) 00:32, 4 February 2009 (UTC) |
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== Renee Schuurman == |
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Please stop inserting personal biographical information (eg. birth and death dates) without citing a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]. This is contrary to Wikipedia policy (see [[WP:V]]). [[User:Valrith|Valrith]] ([[User talk:Valrith|talk]]) 04:45, 4 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:Not against Wikipedia policy, as I have already pointed out to you on countless occasions. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 14:17, 4 February 2009 (UTC) |
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== Birth dates == |
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Hi, I saw you made some remarks on [[User:Valrith|Valrith's]] worrying behaviour. Is there anyone (admin, whoever) who would be able to intervene here? I've just noticed that e.g. [[Dita Von Teese]] has no birth date in English Wikipedia (she has in French, and in many others). I already had a conflict with that user on this subject, there is no way to communicate with him, it's quite disturbing. I have no time to deal with it, and I don't really know how does English Wikipedia function with this kind of problems. Best, [[User:Ziel|ziel]] [[User talk:Ziel|&]] 11:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC) |
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== Evidence vs Workshop == |
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Could you consider using the same wording in your additions to Evidence and Workshop? Reading through two blocky diffs only to realize halfway through that it's actually all the same links is doing my head in a bit. Hope you can understand. Thanks, -- [[User:Earle Martin|Earle Martin]] [<sup>[[User_talk:Earle Martin|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Earle_Martin|c]]</sub>] 03:08, 12 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:I see you've done this via hyperlinking; thanks, it's appreciated. -- [[User:Earle Martin|Earle Martin]] [<sup>[[User_talk:Earle Martin|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Earle_Martin|c]]</sub>] 18:51, 14 February 2009 (UTC) |
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==Tennis summaries== |
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Hi, [[User:LeaveSleaves]] has proposed a new structure for tennis tournament summaries ([[Talk:2009 Australian Open|see here]]). I have made a start on writing a review for the [[2009 ABN AMRO World Tennis Tournament]] in Rotterdam. Would you mind reading through it and checking for POV and whether it "reads like a fansite". I have not gone into detail about every match and have cited references. Thanks. [[User:03md|03md]] ([[User talk:03md|talk]]) 22:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:The frequent problem with these articles is the use of sports-newspaper-like adjectives and commentary, examples of which I already have listed for you. Eliminating those adjectives and the commentary and would make the articles more encyclopedic and would go a long way towards solving the fan-site issue. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 10:26, 13 February 2009 (UTC) |
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==Apology== |
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I just wanted to apologize if you took any offense to the comment I made at Arthur Rubin's talk page and to pay no mind to those who would seem to want to pounce on it as some sign of weakness. I appreciate your efforts at the RFAr, and particularly your contributions to the evidence. I think you've provided exhaustive evidence of seeming coordination of these editors in pushing their POV over the objections of others. I think the only problem some have had is with the sheer size of your Workshop contributions, but you've done some work at trimming that back. If there's anything I can clarify, or if you have any questions, feel free to leave me a note on my talk page or contact me via e-mail [[Special:Emailuser/Locke Cole|here]]. —[[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] • [[User talk:Locke Cole|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Locke Cole|c]] 12:45, 14 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:No offense taken and absolutely no need to apologize! [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 20:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC) |
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== Pete Sampras is Petros? == |
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Hey Mr. Expert, |
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How are you?<br> |
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I was just looking at [[Pete Sampras|Sampras]]'s page, and it says his name is Petros? Is this right? I didn't think it was, but didn't want to change it without some kind of a source. Check and get back to me please? thanks ~ [[User:GoldenGoose100|GoldenGoose100]] ([[User talk:GoldenGoose100|talk]]) 22:10, 15 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::Adding on to that, I see on google some instances of sites saying his birth name is Petros, but just wanted to check with you, as you might know. Hope you haven't been arguing too much with people by the way! ~ [[User:GoldenGoose100|GoldenGoose100]] ([[User talk:GoldenGoose100|talk]]) 22:16, 15 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I saw that edit but didn't know if it was correct or incorrect. So, sorry, I don't know whether his birth name was Petros. Best wishes. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 22:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Roger that. I'll try to find more information! ~ [[User:GoldenGoose100|GoldenGoose100]] ([[User talk:GoldenGoose100|talk]]) 16:18, 16 February 2009 (UTC) |
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== [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking/Evidence]] == |
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Hello Tennis expert. I'm just letting you know that your evidence far exceeds the 100 diff maximum that is allowed on the evidence page. As clerks, we often give a little leeway, but your evidence far exceeds this and something is going to have to be done. I'm going to give you 24 hours to cut the evidence down to the maximum 1000 words and 100 diffs. One suggestion I can give is that you could move all the evidence to a subpage in your userspace ([[User:Tennis expert/Date delinking arbitration evidence]]?) and link to it from the main evidence page. You could still add a small evidence section on the main evidence page that is less than 1000 words and 100 diffs with the majority being in your userspace. Regards, '''[[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|<font color="green">Ryan</font> <font color="purple">Postlethwaite</font>]]<sup>See [[Special:Contributions/Ryan Postlethwaite|the mess I've created]] or [[User talk:Ryan Postlethwaite|let's have banter]]</sup>''' 22:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:Cut whatever you believe is appropriate. I've done my job, and the evidence will still be available to interested persons via the evidence subpage history even after the cuts. It's for others to decide which evidence I've posted should be considered or kept. Regards. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 23:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::Ok, many thanks. I'll probably just go ahead with the subpage idea - it seems the best way not to lose anything. '''[[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|<font color="green">Ryan</font> <font color="purple">Postlethwaite</font>]]<sup>See [[Special:Contributions/Ryan Postlethwaite|the mess I've created]] or [[User talk:Ryan Postlethwaite|let's have banter]]</sup>''' 23:35, 24 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Well, that seems sorta pointless, doesn't it? All you'd be doing is moving evidence from one place to another, probably to the inconvenience of the arbitrators. But it's not my call.... [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 23:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Many thanks - it's just common practice to keep the page in order. Cheers for your cooperation. '''[[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|<font color="green">Ryan</font> <font color="purple">Postlethwaite</font>]]<sup>See [[Special:Contributions/Ryan Postlethwaite|the mess I've created]] or [[User talk:Ryan Postlethwaite|let's have banter]]</sup>''' 23:55, 24 February 2009 (UTC) |
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==Korlzor== |
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Hi, having been directly insulted, and having seen some of my edits reverted without any explanation by Korlzor and his sockpuppets in the past, I've been wondering if there is a way to block him definitively. Wasn't this investigation ([[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Korlzor/Archive]]) precisely started to do that ? --[[User:Don Lope|Don Lope]] ([[User talk:Don Lope|talk]]) 16:12, 6 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:Yes, he was blocked indefinitely not only for unconstructive edits and incivility, but for rampant vandalism. The problem now is that administrators are unwilling to do IP range blocks, the only effective way to keep him off Wikipedia, because those blocks could prevent innocent bystanders from editing Wikipedia. But I definitely sympathize with you because he is an ongoing, very serious problem. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 20:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC) |
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::Alright. I don't think Korlzor is always intentionally disruptive, but he seems to believe he owns wikipedia and his opinion counts more than anyone else's, and it's practically impossible to engage a constructive discussion with him. Anyway, you know that as well as I do. Sad nothing can be done. Cheers. --[[User:Don Lope|Don Lope]] ([[User talk:Don Lope|talk]]) 20:48, 6 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:::For several days after he was intentionally blocked, he made it his life's mission to revert every one of my edits in every article I touched. That was the worst kind of vandalism. Several editors and myself spent a lot of time undoing the damage he inflicted on Wikipedia. So, yeah, I believe he is often intentionally disruptive, as his self-admitted policy of ignoring his block proves. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 09:33, 7 March 2009 (UTC) |
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Hi ! I just wanted to let you know that I believe Korlzor has created a new sockpuppet account : [[User:Tell me whai]]/[[User talk:Tell me whai]]. This account was created today to revert one of my edits that Korzlor had previously tried to revert through different IP sockpuppets. --[[User:Don Lope|Don Lope]] ([[User talk:Don Lope|talk]]) 20:04, 18 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== Sockpuppetry? == |
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That's completely wrong. I'm unlogged user Taraborn. --[[Special:Contributions/62.57.238.224|62.57.238.224]] ([[User talk:62.57.238.224|talk]]) 12:00, 8 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:The tags were accurate at the time they were placed. IP addresses can be used by more than one user. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 23:45, 8 March 2009 (UTC) |
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Why do you keep accusing me of sockpuppetry such as "2008 Masters France - Draw: edits by 03md and 92.4.76.105 within 3 minutes of each other on February 2, 2009" - the first edit was when I was not logged in. [[User:Alonsonunez]] is nothing to do with me, and nor are User:Musiclover and [[User:Whitenoise123]] [[User:03md|03md]] ([[User talk:03md|talk]]) 16:20, 11 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:We shall see what checkuser says, won't we? It is highly likely that you are a sockpuppet of Musiclover565 and Whitenoise123 given the IP and other evidence. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 16:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC) |
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::I have never used those accounts. Why do you have to persist with these claims? [[User:03md|03md]] ([[User talk:03md|talk]]) 16:30, 11 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I have nothing more to say to you on this subject. Now, go away. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 16:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== SPI == |
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{{clerk-note}} |
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I am handling the report that you filed at [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dalkman]], which had been moved to [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Korlzor]] |
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When dealing with sockpuppetry, could I please ask that you adhere to the following; |
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*Please file reports under the name of the MASTER account, rather than the name of the latest suspected sock. |
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*Please do not add multiple {{tl|sockpuppet}} templates as you did <span class=plainlinks>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dalkman&oldid=278142360 here]</span>. There can only be one master account, and adding multiple templates is just creating [[WP:DRAMA]] |
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*Indeed, unless you have actually filed an SPI case, you should not add even one such template, and the current concensus is that it is better to leave tagging until the relationship is confirmed. |
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[[User:Mayalld|Mayalld]] ([[User talk:Mayalld|talk]]) 11:24, 19 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:How does one determine which is the "MASTER account"? First in time? "Korlzor" was not the first registered account used by this problematic user. "Wikitestor" was. So, you apparently have moved my request to the wrong place. As for sockpuppet templates, please cite the Wikipedia policy where the use of them is restricted in the manner you suggested. The template itself says that "an editor has expressed concern" and there are other templates for "confirmed" sockpuppetry. So, I will continue to use the templates in the manner I have already used them unless you can show good reason not to, especially given that several previous checkusers have been completed for Wikitestor/Korlzor/et al. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 02:47, 20 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== Hello accuser! == |
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I am sorry to have to do this, but I am going to have to turn you into a wikipedia admin for fraudulent taking IP address that crutique your edits and attributing them to me as a sockpuppet and you know this is false! Get Over It! I want you to be blocked from editing on my user accounts and talk pages for a period of three months! I am no sockpuppet, which you are trying to create fraudulent evidence to do this and that is sad because I have never done that to someone else! <sub><font color="#0000FF">[[User:Bluedogtn|BLuE]]</font></sub><sup><font color="#FF0000">[[User talk:Bluedogtn|DOg]]</font></sup><sup>''[[Special:Contributions/Bluedogtn|<span style="color: #F47C00">Tn</span>]]''</sup> 04:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:Do whatever you want. But you cannot delete or edit an editor's post on a discussion page that belongs to a registered or IP user unless you are the owner of that page. You've claimed various registered accounts as your own and tagged them accordingly. The problem, however, is that you are editing the discussion pages of IP addresses that have no apparent link to you. So, stop doing that. Very simple concept, actually. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 04:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:: *Poof*. You're an admin. |
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::Sorry, but the combination of the grammatical problem and the confused comment about the editor changing others' comments without actually claiming to be them was too great to ignore. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 04:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ryulong/Evidence]] == |
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Could you please shorten the headings under your evidence section? I only ask because they are messing up the table of contents at the top of the page. Thanks! [[User:KnightLago|KnightLago]] ([[User talk:KnightLago|talk]]) 20:36, 31 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:No problem. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 22:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== Timeline boxes == |
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Hey, Tennis Expert, are we including Fed and Hopman Cup matches in the W/L rows of the Singles/Doubles/Mixed performance timeline boxes? [[User:Ordinary Person|Ordinary Person]] ([[User talk:Ordinary Person|talk]]) 12:09, 3 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:Per the Women's Tennis Association, Fed Cup but not Hopman Cup matches are included. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 04:53, 4 April 2009 (UTC) |
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::Thanks.[[Special:Contributions/58.107.95.190|58.107.95.190]] ([[User talk:58.107.95.190|talk]]) 04:02, 5 April 2009 (UTC) That was me, I forgot to sign in ... [[User:Ordinary Person|Ordinary Person]] ([[User talk:Ordinary Person|talk]]) 05:29, 7 April 2009 (UTC) |
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==WTA rankings problem?== |
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Maybe you can help me with this rankings issue. Yayuk Basuki reached the quarterfinals of the Australian Open doubles in 1999, and her WTA profile's Activity Sheet indicates that she received 150 points for this. This was the only professional doubles tournament she appeared in that year. |
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Basuki doesn't appear in the WTA's doubles rankings for that year: |
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http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/global/Pdfs/rankings/pastyears/Doubles_Numeric_1999.pdf |
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150 points would see her placed around 168th. |
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An obvious explanation is that a WTA official messed up somewhere, but I just wanted to ask you whether there is actually some logical reason unknown to me for her absence from the list. I thank you in advance for your assistance.[[User:Ordinary Person|Ordinary Person]] ([[User talk:Ordinary Person|talk]]) 23:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:The probable reason is that the WTA required a player to compete in a specified minimum number of tournaments before being eligible for a ranking. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 02:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC) |
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::Thanks again.[[User:Ordinary Person|Ordinary Person]] ([[User talk:Ordinary Person|talk]]) 06:01, 8 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Inquiry == |
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Hi again, I get the feeling I disturb you here, you always revert my posts or questions here, anyway FWIW sorry for the disturbance. |
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Sorry I won't be able to put my inquiry in good words, English not first language, but, I now understand your urge behind KB, but I have got few questions which would clarify things to me. |
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*KB is the location, but not the tournament name, right? |
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*If Miami Masters is not a tournament name, how come it is shown on the ATP official TV coverage, news articles etc? Of course besides Sony Ericsson |
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*For the factual accuracy of an encyclopedia, I am supporting you, as I have said before, to mention the correct locations in each tournament's individual article, why isn't that good enough? And for the enough part, the following point: |
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*We cannot put Sony Ericsson of course in the Performance Timelines, but we also cannot put Roquebrune-Cap-Martin, the column if for the tournament not the location, and the tournaments are not named after the exact correct location, where did I go wrong here? (I am asking) |
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*They are named after the closest most famous city, do I have proof? No, but a pattern is clear no doubt. Tell me where I went wrong also here. |
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I would very much appreciate your answers. Thanks. [[User:Yosef1987|Yosef1987]] ([[User talk:Yosef1987|talk]]) 22:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC) |
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Edit: as for the "encouragement to war", it was never meant to be like that, and I hope you find my good faith in my edits, what I meant is to keep things as it ''was'' till we resolve the matter, and by that I wanted your confirmation as well on this, am not asking for anything wrong. [[User:Yosef1987|Yosef1987]] ([[User talk:Yosef1987|talk]]) 23:05, 10 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:(1) This is what I was writing for [[WP:Tennis]] right before you struck your comments: "The Association of Tennis Professionals (ATP) says that the name of the tournament in Monte Carlo is the 'Monte-Carlo Rolex Masters', not the 'Monte Carlo Masters', the 'Roquebrune-Cap-Martin Masters', or anything else. You are confusing two different issues: (a) the official name of a tournament; and (b) where the tournament is held. I am in favor of always using the official name of the tournament, e.g. 'Monte-Carlo Rolex Masters', and saying where that tournament actually is held, e.g., 'Roquebrune-Cap-Martin'. I am not in favor of 'changing the name of the tournament'. For example, in a Wikipedia article, I always say, 'Andy Murray won the Sony Ericsson Open in Key Biscayne, Florida.' ". |
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:(2) I am not aware that the term "Miami Masters" is used on television or by the ATP or the Women's Tennis Association (WTA) in any official capacity. The ATP and the WTA are businesses and want to keep their sponsors happy; therefore, they are highly unlikely to use anything other than "Sony Ericsson Open". |
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:(3) Wikipedia editors have gone wrong about tournament locations. The site of a tennis tournament is a geographical fact and can be verified independently of the ATP or WTA. For example, the Grand Canyon is clearly in the United States and it would therefore be erroneous to rely on a source claiming that the canyon is in Canada, regardless of how often the source said that. However, the name of a tournament is a commercial or business decision made by tournament organizers and secondarily by the news media. We (Wikipedia editors) have to rely on verifiable reliable sources to determine tournament names. |
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:(4) We may put whatever information we want in performance timelines, subject to Wikipedia policy about verifiability. Therefore, we could put "Sony Ericsson Open" in a timeline, just like we could put "Roquebrune-Cap-Martin" there. |
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:(5) The decision by the ATP and tournament organizers to say (erroneously) that the Monte-Carlo Rolex Masters is in Monte-Carlo merely reflects their marketing objectives. Whenever a marketing campaign misstates independently verifiable facts, Wikipedia must ignore the campaign and instead rely on the actual facts. And the actual fact is that the Monte-Carlo Rolex Masters is in Roquebrune-Cap-Martin even though the official name of the tournament uses "Monte-Carlo". [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 03:51, 11 April 2009 (UTC) |
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::[[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tennis#My_Inquiry_to_Tennis_expert|Thanks for your time]]. [[User:Yosef1987|Yosef1987]] ([[User talk:Yosef1987|talk]]) 15:09, 11 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Fansite tags == |
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While I'm fully aware this will be deleted within minutes, maybe seconds, I just wanted to say that I did exactly what you asked me to do by refreshing people's minds as to what {{tl|fansite}} means on the talk pages. In the meantime you followed every single talk page edit with a comment about my edit summary, which could have been better and less onerously delivered to my talkpage rather than spread across a dozen tennis biographies. I'm doing my best now to move on and improve articles. I will not make edits which I consider need expertise as I would not wish to edit against a consensus. But I will continue to identify the shortcomings of the tennis articles per the Wikipedia guidelines and policies. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:38, 11 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:Geez, I acknowledged your change of heart, too. What else do you want? OK, here's a virtual pat on the back and a "good on ya". Not everyone reads your talk page, by the way, notwithstanding that you're a bureaucrat. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 21:43, 11 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== There are places you are welcome, and places you ain’t == |
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When my son was ten years old, he had the social sophistication of many 16 year olds. And he would have been able to figure in 5th grade that it isn’t kosher to go to [[User:Greg L/Delinking links|'''my''' userspace]], add something that my Wikifriends didn’t want[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AGreg_L%2FDelinking_links&diff=283258047&oldid=282697504], and which you knew I would feel was trespassing. For you to persist[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AGreg_L%2FDelinking_links&diff=283338577&oldid=283274849][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AGreg_L%2FDelinking_links&diff=283438163&oldid=283426345][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AGreg_L%2FDelinking_links&diff=283500142&oldid=283456420] after being reverted [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AGreg_L%2FDelinking_links&diff=283274849&oldid=283258047] shows an astonishing degree of brass from you. |
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Either that, or you truly feel it is OK to come to my userspace, and add what you please. If that’s the case, I must profess that I didn’t know this was how things are done on Wikipedia. I’ve updated [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ATennis_expert&diff=283671010&oldid=283047125] [[User:Tennis_expert|your userpage]] with helpful links. Hope you like the additions. By my count, I have six more contributions to make to your user page ''just to catch up'' with the nine edits you’ve done to improve my page. In advance, thanks. |
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<span style="white-space:nowrap;">'''[[User:Greg L|Greg L]]''' ([[User_talk:Greg_L|talk]])</span> 23:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC) |
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'''P.S.''' If you don’t want me editing in your userspace, please advise and I will stop it at once. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">'''[[User:Greg L|Greg L]]''' ([[User_talk:Greg_L|talk]])</span> 23:37, 13 April 2009 (UTC) |
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'''P.P.S.''' Hey, I see that you have ''six'' subpages in your userspace. Most could use some improvement. Is it OK if I follow your example there too? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">'''[[User:Greg L|Greg L]]''' ([[User_talk:Greg_L|talk]])</span> 23:45, 13 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:OK. I will pursue rapid deletion of your biased subpage. I do not have a similar subpage, nor does anyone else I have seen. And your co-horts (or are they actually sockpuppets of yours?) don't have the right to do anything to a third party's post, anywhere. I'm surprised you are so ignorant about that. By the way, I couldn't care less about your son when he was 10 years old. Save your breath for someone who does care. Or make an electronic scrapbook and post it on MySpace. Maybe someone will come along and give you a sewer cover or whatever. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 01:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Greg L/Delinking links]] == |
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I'm trying very hard, but struggling to see the grounds for deletion. |
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Your strongest comments seem to be that the page is disruptive. If you could demonstrate how it is disruptive I, and probably others, would quickly change to delete, especially if the disruptiveness is inherent to the page, and not something that can be improved/overcome by editing it. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 11:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:I tried to edit it to make it more balanced and, hence, less offensive. But Greg L's "Wikifriends" reverted my edits in violation of Wikipedia policy and said, almost in unison, that it was "their" page and that anyone not on "their" side should stay away. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 11:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC) |
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::Seen it, thanks. I'll have a word with Greg. I think there's some inappropriate language there that should be moderated. But I remain totally unconvinced for deletion. Please restore the page again to how it was - as much as anything, so that the MfD can see it intact, but also, as you know, because you are editing his userspace without permission. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 12:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== WTA Tour == |
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I'd like your opinion: is it appropriate to call an article on the 1971 Virginia Slims Circuit '''WTA Tour 1971'''? Regardless of sponsor, the other yearly articles are called '''WTA Tour YYYY''', but I am not sure whether we would say that the 1971 tour can be considered part of WTA Tour history. Your thoughts? |
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[[User:Ordinary Person|Ordinary Person]] ([[User talk:Ordinary Person|talk]]) 03:10, 20 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:I would avoid saying that the 1971 Virginia Slims Circuit was part of any WTA Tour. The [[Women's Tennis Association]] was a player's association begun in 1973 and did not sanction or run tournaments in 1971. Therefore, there was no WTA Tour in 1971. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 08:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::Thank you.[[User:Ordinary Person|Ordinary Person]] ([[User talk:Ordinary Person|talk]]) 09:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== [[Serena Williams]] == |
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You have now reverted a section of this article four times in 3h04m. Please stop edit warring per [[WP:3RR]]. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 17:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:No, I haven't. And please stop exercising tag team ownership and other disruptive tactics concerning that article. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 17:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC) |
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::Okay, I'll post the diffs to the [[WP:AN]] and let someone else uninvolved make a judgement. And for what it's worth, I've done nothing other than work to improve the article. If you have specific grievances against specific editors in this regard, feel free to take the matter to [[WP:AN/I]] or Arbcom or [[WP:RFC]], don't just use edit summaries to lodge your complaints. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 17:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I always do that and will in the future whenever appropriate. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 17:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC) |
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Please stop reverting edits that have been made in good faith and after discussion. Please (in the spirit of BRD) discuss the matter on [[Talk:Serena Williams]] and please leave threats out of it. [[User:Alonsornunez|<font face="Arial Black" color="Black">'''Alonsornunez'''</font>]][[User talk:Alonsornunez|<font face="Arial Black" color="Gray">'''Comments'''</font>]] 17:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:Why don't you ever follow your own advice and stop exercising ownership over articles you are interested in by over-the-top edit warring? This is a continuing problem that needs to be dealt with, finally. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 17:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC) |
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::No one is edit warring other than you. Please respect BRD and your fellow editors, and discuss the matter on the Talk page. [[User:Alonsornunez|<font face="Arial Black" color="Black">'''Alonsornunez'''</font>]][[User talk:Alonsornunez|<font face="Arial Black" color="Gray">'''Comments'''</font>]] 17:56, 26 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Being dishonest will not get you anywhere on my discussion page, which you should know already. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 17:58, 26 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:::: I am not being dishonest. You made an edit, which was reverted. Is not the next step for you to take the issue to the Talk page, especially as a reason was supplied in the edit summary? [[User:Alonsornunez|<font face="Arial Black" color="Black">'''Alonsornunez'''</font>]][[User talk:Alonsornunez|<font face="Arial Black" color="Gray">'''Comments'''</font>]] 18:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC) |
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Tennis expert, your reversions are bold, they have been reverted, and so, in the spirit of the essay [[WP:BRD]], I'll start a discussion on the talkpage so everyone can present their opinions on the newly reworked section which you have reverted three times. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:00, 26 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Edit warring at [[Serena Williams]] == |
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Hello Tennis expert. Editors on the talk page of this article have suggested you are warring to restore the article to a previous version that is favored by you, and ignores the consensus. From a quick look it appears that you have violated [[WP:3RR]] on 26 April. If you will agree to stop warring on this article, and promise to wait for support on the talk page before restoring your material, you can avoid a block for 3RR. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 02:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:Your assumption is incorrect. I am not restoring the article to a "previous version that is favored" by me. Nor am I ignoring consensus. The persons ignoring consensus are [[User:Alonsornunez|Alonsornunez]], [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]], and [[User:HJensen|HJensen]], who made radical deletions of information in the article without discussing them first and in violation of [[WP:PRESERVE]] and then tag team edit warred when those changes were reverted instead of following [[WP:BRD]]. I suggest that you look at the diffs. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 02:29, 27 April 2009 (UTC) |
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::On April 26, between midnight and 17:13, I have already counted eight reverts by you (times are UTC): |
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:::12:14, 13:24, 14:48, 15:33, 15:46, 16:34, 16:57 and 17:13. |
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::Only four reverts are needed to violate the 3RR. I'm offering one more chance for you to agree to stop edit warring on this article, and to wait for support on the Talk page before restoring your material. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 04:19, 27 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Perhaps it would be more productive for you to join the RFC discussion instead of continuing to post here. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 01:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC) |
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I'm sure you would agree that discussing actual facts is better than relying on hasty assumptions. So, here we go: |
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(1) I have not edited the [[Serena Williams]] article recently and do not intend to do so at least until the RFC is over. |
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(2) Here are the actual diffs for the times you listed, along with some additional diffs on April 26 just to complete the record:<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286217334&oldid=286217151 (A) April 26, 12:14 UTC edit] First edit, affecting 1999-2001.<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286225320&oldid=286223965 (B) April 26, 13:24 UTC edit] This edit affected 1999-2001 and was exactly the same as (A) in only one respect.<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286236171&oldid=286234953 (C) April 26, 14:48 UTC edit] This edit affected 1995-98 and was completely different from (A) and (B).<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286242731&oldid=286241663 (D) April 26, 15:33 UTC edit] This edit also affected 1995-98 and was different from (C) and completely different from (A) and (B).<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286252526&oldid=286252366 (E) April 26, 15:46 UTC edit] This edit affected 2002-03 and, therefore, was completely different from (A) through (D)<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286252526&oldid=286252366 (F) April 26, 16:34 UTC edit] This edit affected 2002-03 and was the same as (E); therefore, it is reversion #1.<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286256919&oldid=286256246 (G) April 26, 16:57 UTC edit] This edit affected 2002-03 and was the same as (E) and (F); therefore, it is reversion #2.<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286259577&oldid=286258742 (H) April 26, 17:13 UTC edit] This edit affected 2002-03 and was the same as (E), (F), and (G); therefore, it is reversion #3.<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286260106&oldid=286259577 (I) April 26, 17:16 UTC edit] This edit affected 2002-03 but was completely different from all the preceding edits.<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286260425&oldid=286260106 (J) April 26, 17:16 UTC edit] This edit affected 1995-98 but was completely different from all the preceding edits.<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286260425&oldid=286260106 (K) April 26, 17:57 UTC edit] This edit affected the introduction and, therefore, was completely different from all the preceding edits.<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286267974&oldid=286266955 (L) April 26, 18:03 UTC edit] This edit affected 2004-06 and, therefore, was completely different from all the preceding edits.<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286275227&oldid=286274334 (M) April 26, 18:43 UTC edit] This edit affected 2004-06 but was completely different from all the preceding edits.<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286275321&oldid=286275227 (N) April 26, 18:43 UTC edit] This edit affected 2004-06 but was completely different from all the preceding edits.<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286281307&oldid=286278445 (O) April 26, 19:17 UTC edit] This edit affected 2004-06 and was the same as (N) but was necessary to reverse the disruptive blind revert by The Rambling Man, who reverted a long and productive copyedit just because he didn't like the accidental and unintentional omission of one nonbreaking space. That was pure gamesmanship on his part. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286283198&oldid=286281507 this subsequent edit of his], which proves that he was solely concerned with the nonbreaking space problem. |
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(3) None of the edits you listed were blind or resulted in the article returning to a former state. Here is the proof, in the form of a comparison of the article as it existed at the times listed above:<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286225320&oldid=286217334 Differences between 12:14 and 13:24 UTC]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286236171&oldid=286225320 Differences between 13:24 and 14:48 UTC]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286242731&oldid=286236171 Differences between 14:48 and 15:33 UTC]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286244794&oldid=286242731 Differences between 15:33 and 15:46 UTC]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286252526&oldid=286244794 Differences between 15:46 and 16:34 UTC]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286256919&oldid=286252526 Differences between 16:34 and 16:57 UTC]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286259577&oldid=286256919 Differences between 16:57 and 17:13 UTC] |
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(4) Let me know if you have any questions.<br> |
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[[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 02:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:By my count, you made 10 reverts altogether on 26 April, of which four were Undos, so it's easy to see that your edits violated [[WP:3RR]]. (An Undo necessarily restores a former version). Per the 3RR policy, ''A revert is any action, including administrative actions, that reverses the actions of other editors, in whole or in part.'' In other words, it is not limited to the restoration of an article to an earlier version. Thank you for agreeing not to edit the [[Serena Williams]] article until the RfC is over. I perceive that as a good-faith gesture. Here are the four Undos: |
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:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena%20Williams&diff=prev&oldid=286236171 14:48, 26 April 2009] <small>(edit summary: "[[WP:UNDO|Undid]] revision 286234953 by [[Special:Contributions/Ohconfucius|Ohconfucius]] ([[User talk:Ohconfucius|talk]]) piping desirable because you are messing up the name of the tournament: Medibank International")</small> |
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:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena%20Williams&diff=prev&oldid=286242731 15:33, 26 April 2009] <small>(edit summary: "[[WP:UNDO|Undid]] revision 286236646 by [[Special:Contributions/Alonsornunez|Alonsornunez]] ([[User talk:Alonsornunez|talk]]) look at the WTA website, geez")</small> |
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:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena%20Williams&diff=prev&oldid=286266955 17:57, 26 April 2009] <small>(edit summary: "[[WP:UNDO|Undid]] revision 286264059 by [[Special:Contributions/Alonsornunez|Alonsornunez]] ([[User talk:Alonsornunez|talk]]) "currently" should be avoided in favor of actual dates")</small> |
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:# [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena%20Williams&diff=prev&oldid=286281307 19:17, 26 April 2009] <small>(edit summary: "[[WP:UNDO|Undid]] revision 286278445 by [[Special:Contributions/The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] Which MOS guideline breaches have I made? And I did not "revert" anything. It was a full-on edit. Stop being intentionally dishonest.")</small> |
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::[[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 04:41, 28 April 2009 (UTC) |
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Wow, what a robotic and unthinking interpretation of [[WP:3RR]].... But assuming your interpretation is correct and in recognition of "Where multiple editors violate the rule, administrators should consider all sides", let's look at what [[User:Alonsornunez|Alonsornunez]], [[User:HJensen|HJensen]], [[User:Ohconfucius|Ohconfucius]], and [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] did on the [[Serena Williams]] article on April 26-27. (I'm, of course, assuming that fairness is one of your objectives.) |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286217746&oldid=286217552 12:18 UTC April 26, Revert #1 by Alonsornunez, affecting 1999-2001 ]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286227631&oldid=286227095 13:44 UTC April 26, Revert #2 by Alonsornunez, affecting 1999-2001]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286232219&oldid=286231349 14:19 UTC April 26, Revert #1 by HJensen, affecting 1999-2001]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286233475&oldid=286230764 14:29 UTC April 26, Revert #2 by HJensen, affecting 2002-2003]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286236646&oldid=286236368 14:51 UTC April 26, Revert #3 by Alonsornunez, affecting 1995-1998]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286243181&oldid=286242731 15:36 UTC April 26, Revert #1 by Ohconfucius, affecting 1995-1998]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286252366&oldid=286249807 16:33 UTC April 26, Revert #3 by HJensen, affecting 1995-1998]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286253809&oldid=286252526 16:41 UTC April 26, Revert #4 by Alonsornunez, affecting 2002-2003]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286257588&oldid=286256919 17:01 UTC April 26, Revert #4 by HJensen, affecting 2002-2003]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286261816&oldid=286260425 17:26 UTC April 26, Revert #5 by Alonsornunez, affecting 1995-1998]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286274334&oldid=286267974 18:37 UTC April 26, Revert #5 by HJensen, affecting 1999-2001]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286278445&oldid=286275321 19:01 UTC April 26, Revert #1 by The Rambling Man, affecting 2004-2006]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286283198&oldid=286281507 19:28 UTC April 26, Revert #2 by The Rambling Man, affecting 2004-2006]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286283415&oldid=286283198 19:30 UTC April 26, Revert #6 by Alonsornunez, affecting 2004-2006]<br> |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286371908&oldid=286371282 04:04 UTC April 27, Revert #7 by Alonsornunez, affecting 2002-2003] |
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There are a bunch of other reverts under any common sense definition of the term, but under your interpretation of WP:3RR, they do not count because there was not an intervening editor. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 05:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:Since this is not an actual 3RR case, I won't do the analysis. But whether others went over 3RR too would normally be checked. The actual closing admin, looking at the big picture, might well conclude that you were on one side and everybody else on the other. It's hard for you to argue that your edits have consensus in such a case. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 14:00, 28 April 2009 (UTC) |
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::Tag team edit warring is not an exception to 3RR, consensus or not. Nor is individualized edit warring an exception to 3RR, consensus or not. I'm surprised that an administrator would take the position you have. Perhaps you should study this further. Here is a quotation from [[WP:3RR]]: "Legitimate content changes, adding or removing tags, '''edits against consensus''', and similar actions are not exempt. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 05:02, 29 April 2009 (UTC) |
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'''Comment.''' Of "my" five listed edits, only #4 and #5 are reverts of Tennis expert (where I revert his lone-person, against-consensus edits). #1, #2 and #3 are edits that correct some mistakes (with edit summaries).--'''[[User:HJensen|HJensen]]''', ''[[User_talk:HJensen|talk]]'' 05:54, 29 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:Incorrect in several respects. I am currently drafting a complaint about your reversions and will make it clear exactly what you did. As for you edit summary argument, using a detailed edit summary clearly does not convert a reversion into something else. A reversion is a reversion, period. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 06:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:: Ok, so correcting a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Williams&diff=286232219&oldid=286231349 blatant mistake by you] is a "reversion". Interesting. Is it edit warring too? Is it tag-team edit warring to? Is it against consensus too? Is it disruptive too? Is it incivil? Just to see in how many respects I am wrong)--'''[[User:HJensen|HJensen]]''', ''[[User_talk:HJensen|talk]]'' 06:08, 29 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I suggest you "can" the sarcasm on my discussion page. See the banner at the top. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 06:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC) |
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==1945 French Championships (tennis) == |
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Hi ! I removed the record of 1945 because the official site doesn't mention it as a grand slam edition. Could you please give me any link to details, tables or anything else about this edition. I can't find it. |
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Thank you [[User:OscarAbbey|OscarAbbey]] ([[User talk:OscarAbbey|talk]]) 02:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:Quoting a a short newspaper article about the 1945 French Championships, the microfilm of which is a little difficult to read: |
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:"Yvonne Petra, 27 year old native of Indo-China, won the French tennis championship yesterday (August 5) by defeating the former French Davis Cup player, Lieutenant Bernard Destremeau, 7-5, 6-4, 6-2 in the Roland Garros stadium. Lolette Dodille (?)-Payette of Switzerland won the women's title with a 6-4, 6-3 victory over Simone Lafargue of France. Henri Cochet, famed French tennis ace of the twenties, paired with Pierre Pellizza to win the doubles crown. They defeated Destremeau and Petra in five sets." Source: "Veteran Cochet Shares French Doubles Title", The Fresno (California) Bee Republican, August 6, 1945, page 8. By the way, Cochet lost in the quarterfinals of that tournament to Pellizza in five sets (exact score unknown). |
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:This was the first French Championships not held under German occupation since 1939. The tournament was held in August (instead of the traditional May-June dates) as part of the one year celebration of the liberation of Paris. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 01:26, 1 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:: Thanks a lot for these informations. I didn't know about that. This tournament was played, even if it wasn't considered as a real grand slam one. |
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:: Lolette Dodille (?)-Payette -> born [[fr:Lolette Payot|Lolette Payot]], her married name is Dodille : she seemed to be one of the best swiss players of the thirties.[[User:OscarAbbey|OscarAbbey]] ([[User talk:OscarAbbey|talk]]) 04:44, 2 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking/Evidence]] == |
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I've removed your whole evidence section because it's above the 1000 word limit. Please only readd it back when it is below the 1000 word/100 diff limit. '''[[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|<font color="green">Ryan</font> <font color="purple">Postlethwaite</font>]]<sup>See [[Special:Contributions/Ryan Postlethwaite|the mess I've created]] or [[User talk:Ryan Postlethwaite|let's have banter]]</sup>''' 10:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC) |
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==Incivility from sockpuppet of Musiclover565 == |
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ROFL. Yes, any person who disagrees with you is obviously an alias. How about you stop trying to exploit loopholes and technicalities to impose your way, as you seemingly do so often in almost every major tennis article, and start actually respecting the spirit of Wikipedia by trying to build a consensus with other editors? You are yet to give a criticism of the edits I made to the Dinara Safina page, other than that it removes information (something that needs to be done, as per the warning that there is too much intricate detail). [[Special:Contributions/92.0.235.202|92.0.235.202]] ([[User talk:92.0.235.202|talk]]) 14:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:What I said is that you have removed "relevant" information in violation of [[WP:PRESERVE]]. If you don't understand those two words, Musiclover565, let me know. The "too intricate detail" tag (not a warning) is just one editor's inaccurate opinion and does not represent consensus. Ignore it like I do. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 08:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== You may be interested... == |
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Since you were calling for this to happen earlier, I thought you might be interested to know (if you didn't already) about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#De-crat this]. This is not intended to be snide or anything disruptive, simply a notice. Regards, [[User:Dabomb87|Dabomb87]] ([[User talk:Dabomb87|talk]]) 21:36, 7 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:About time! [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 08:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::I am going to only say this once. You need to back off regarding The Rambling Man. Even '''if''' The Rambling Man had acted inappropriately in this mess, his stepping down is not something to gloat about. |
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::I agree with Ryan that your comment on the Bureaucrats noticeboard was trolling.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tennis_expert&diff=prev&oldid=288643575] |
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::Also [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tennis_expert?offset=200905081020&limit=3&dir=prev These three edits] are likely to break deep links into the pages, and it is not necessary to change them as he was a crat at the time. |
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::Please do something else as your input is not helping matters. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] <sup>'''([[User talk:Jayvdb|chat]])'''</sup></span> 10:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::I see you have made further changes while I was writing this comment. I urge you to revert yourself and/or discontinue this. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] <sup>'''([[User talk:Jayvdb|chat]])'''</sup></span> 10:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:::That's your opinion. I have mine. I have made recommendations in the arbitration case concerning his future actions on Wikipedia that, given the recent events, should not include anything about his being a bureaucrat. That is what I changed. I regret your saddness about his stepping down. But I am not a bit sad. His actions were grossly unbecoming of a bureaucrat or an administrator, and he doesn't deserve to remain either one. As far as "backing off", I have no idea what that means. If you mean "stop mentioning the evidence that's been posted about his misdeeds", then I suspect you will be sorely disappointed. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 10:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ryulong == |
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The proposed decision is up in the above case. It is located [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ryulong/Workshop/ArbCom-PD|here]]. The proposed decision will be presented to the Arbitration Committee for voting on May 11. |
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For the Arbitration Committee. [[User:KnightLago|KnightLago]] ([[User talk:KnightLago|talk]]) 01:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== [[ User:The Rambling Man/Tenex]] == |
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G10 doesn't apply in this case; if you're inclined to push for deletion, [[WP:MFD]] would be the only appropriate course of action. Regards, –'''[[User:Juliancolton|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36648B">Juliancolton</span>]]''' | [[User_talk:Juliancolton|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:gray">''Talk''</span></sup>]] 21:11, 9 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:Done. Thanks for the advice. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 21:21, 9 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:User space subpages for the purpose of building evidence in RFC/RFAR/etc are certainly allowed. You may want to rethink this one. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — [[User:Rlevse|<b style="color:#060;"><i>R</i>levse</b>]] • [[User_talk:Rlevse|<span style="color:#990;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 21:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::See my comments in the deletion discussion. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 02:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== Question about a subpage == |
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Hello. I was going through the [[C:SD|speedy deletion candidates]] when I ran across [[Talk:Maria Sharapova/Tennis expert's recommendation]]. I'm not sure why this page is located where it is, but I think it may be better suited as a subpage in your userspace. Would you like me to move it for you? <font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font><b><font color="midnightblue"><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></font></b><font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font> 01:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:Perhaps you should ask administrator [[User:Someguy1221|Someguy1221]] why he [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMaria_Sharapova%2FTennis_expert%27s_recommendation&diff=288160125&oldid=288119821 moved the page there]. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 02:05, 10 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::Good idea. I have done so and asked him to comment here. <font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font><b><font color="midnightblue"><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></font></b><font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font> 02:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I only moved it to the talk page to get it out of the mainspace. If this really is going to be just a record of what you think the article should look like, then I agree that it belongs better in your userspace. [[User:Someguy1221|Someguy1221]] ([[User talk:Someguy1221|talk]]) 05:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::::As I've said before, it's not merely a record of my opinion about how the article should read. It is part of an ongoing discussion about the article and should be deleted only after that discussion has ended. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 05:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC) |
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=== MfD === |
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[[Talk:Maria Sharapova/Tennis expert's recommendation]] has now been listed for deletion [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Talk:Maria Sharapova/Tennis expert's recommendation|here]]. [[User:Ohconfucius|Ohconfucius]] ([[User talk:Ohconfucius|talk]]) 15:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== Confusion == |
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Hey there, Tennis expert- here's what still has me confused: does an evidence page need to be sanctioned to exist? I see no such regulation in [[WP:UP#NOT]]. —/[[User:Mendaliv|<b>M</b><small>endaliv</small>]]/<sup><small>[[User talk:Mendaliv|2¢]]</small></sup>/<sub><small>[[Special:Contributions/Mendaliv|Δ's]]</small></sub>/ 02:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:My subpage was created and is maintained as evidence for an ongoing arbitration. Unlike The Rambling Man's subpage, my subpage was not created in advance of the arbitration, an RFCu, or any other proceeding. The reason that the evidence is in a subpage of my user space is that the arbitrators like to keep the arbitration evidence page itself relatively short. So, they encourage contributors who have lots of evidence to offer to maintain the evidence in a user space subpage, which is linked on the arbitration evidence page. Indeed, the arbitration clerk (not me) is the one who created the subpage in my user space. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Date_delinking/Evidence#Evidence_presented_by_Tennis_expert this] for more information. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 02:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::I see, I see. Though... I might ask you why you didn't seek The Rambling Man's confirmation that he didn't intend for that evidence page to be used in a manner which meets the exceptions laid out in [[WP:UP#NOT]] #10 (namely, compiling evidence in the furtherance of arbitration or an RfC)? I mean, while I understand that the discovery of such a page may lead one to lose any semblance of [[WP:AGF|good faith]] (had any remained at said point), one could have several reasonable scenarios under which that page is reasonable as-is. For example, The Rambling Man may not have gotten around to assigning the diffs he was compiling in the below section to the individual points in the "incivility" section. Or, perhaps The Rambling Man felt the diffs below were sufficiently connected to those individual points via contextual cues. While I would personally prefer to assemble such evidence offline and only post it once I was extremely confident of its wording, myriad reasons exist for why editors like to sandbox things on-wiki. To me, it just doesn't seem all that different from your evidence page, other than your evidence page is significantly more polished, of course. For the record, I don't consider your arbitration evidence page an attack page- while I don't agree with your use of it in content disputes, that's something for us to resolve at the RfC. —/[[User:Mendaliv|<b>M</b><small>endaliv</small>]]/<sup><small>[[User talk:Mendaliv|2¢]]</small></sup>/<sub><small>[[Special:Contributions/Mendaliv|Δ's]]</small></sub>/ 03:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Easy for you to say as you haven't been the target of The Rambling Man's harrassment for the last 8 (or so) months. The latest example is his voluntary decision to give up his status as a bureaucrat while blaming me in various venues and creating bad faith all around, as if I forced his decision and caused Wikipedia to lose (in the opinion of some) such a valuable and rare bureaucrat. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 03:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::::You know what, you're right. It is easy for me to say without being the target of harassment. If he is harassing you... I'm genuinely sorry if I've contributed to that in any way; it was purely unintentional and in the pursuit of correcting what I see as a problem of collaboration. Having been the target of real-life off-wiki harassment in the past, I can understand the effect it can have on one's editing habits. My best advice to you if you genuinely feel harassed is to try and talk it out in a civil manner, and failing that, assemble as concise a complaint as possible and go to ANI or elsewhere with it. I'd personally be glad to help deflect those from the ArbCom case if they try to filibuster such a discussion. |
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::::I know you feel your ArbCom evidence is sufficient to assert such a claim, but it's so damn unwieldy that ''nobody'' short of an arbitrator who is required to read it will do so when forming a decision. And... if possible please please try not to make it about procedural infractions instead of genuine bad faith behavior. Finally, it'd be best to choose behavior that occurred significantly after the date delinking issue ended, as otherwise people looking at the case would just want roll it into the ArbCom case. |
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::::Look, I know you think I'm against you. It's not my goal to do so, and I don't believe that I have been. If I have been subjective where I should have been objective, or have appeared unduly biased when trying to take the position of a mediator, then I am sorry. My goal throughout has been to fix what I see as a behavioral problem. Of course, I don't expect you to agree that there is one at this point, but I just want to make it clear that my intentions are in [[WP:AGF|good faith]]. —/[[User:Mendaliv|<b>M</b><small>endaliv</small>]]/<sup><small>[[User talk:Mendaliv|2¢]]</small></sup>/<sub><small>[[Special:Contributions/Mendaliv|Δ's]]</small></sub>/ 12:49, 10 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::<s>Thanks very much for your message.</s> I've spent 8 months trying to talk it out with The Rambling Man (TRM) and certain others allied with him, only to be repaid with disruption, insults, gross misrepresentation of my intentions, and other hostile behavior. TRM recently apologized for his behavior but refused to delete or strikethrough the problematic things he has said about me, even though it wouldn't take long for him to do it because all the diffs are in the arbitration evidence. When someone has the ability to undo bad conduct like TRM still has, an apology without corrective action doesn't mean too much. I suspect the apology wasn't sincere anyway because since it was offered, his behavior hasn't changed and in some respects has worsened. Depending on the results of the arbitration case, I may pursue further remedies. As for the arbitration evidence I've offered, it's there for anyone to read in whole or in part. I have no control over how much of it is read by interested persons or considered by the arbitrators. All I can do is put it out there. <s>Thanks again.</s> [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 00:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::::::Never mind. I thought you really were trying to start a friendly dialog. And then I was extremely disappointed to discover [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMendaliv&diff=289050635&oldid=289014351 this hostile post from you]. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 03:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::::I'm sorry if you took what I said as hostile- it looks like we've yet again had a compounding of misunderstandings. —/[[User:Mendaliv|<b>M</b><small>endaliv</small>]]/<sup><small>[[User talk:Mendaliv|2¢]]</small></sup>/<sub><small>[[Special:Contributions/Mendaliv|Δ's]]</small></sub>/ 13:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== Re:Editing my arbitration evidence subpage == |
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Sorry, I thought that my change was uncontroversial. I just want to know, though, why you intentionally kept HMV's username wrong in the text (not the section header). [[User:Dabomb87|Dabomb87]] ([[User talk:Dabomb87|talk]]) 12:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:It has nothing to do with controversial versus uncontroversial. Evidence presented by a person in an arbitration case cannot be edited by another person. Period. If you see any errors I've made, then bring them to my attention via this discussion page. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 12:24, 12 May 2009 (UTC) |
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Your comments may have been under that protection whist still on the [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking/Evidence|Evidence page]]. They are now in userspace, so that protection is gone. I will respect that userspace by not making any further edits there. However, I reserve the right to correct any errors (deliberate or otherwise) lies, blatant misrepresentations there; my not attempting to rectify these must not be construed that the comments are factually correct. [[User:Ohconfucius|Ohconfucius]] ([[User talk:Ohconfucius|talk]]) 14:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:You are incorrect and are hereby warned not to touch that subpage. It was created by the arbitration clerk and is protected evidence just like the evidence placed on the arbitration page itself. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 14:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::That's pure [[WP:BOLLOCKS|weapons' grade bullonium]], as my good friend [[User:Greg L]] is fond of saying. Why do you think there are word limits imposed in the Arbcom case? So that all that your 240kb gets read as well as protected? Dream on! It's a bit like [[parliamentary privilege]] - you may be protected whilst speaking there, but you could get slapped with [[slander]] if you set your foot outside and say it. [[User:Ohconfucius|Ohconfucius]] ([[User talk:Ohconfucius|talk]]) 14:44, 12 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:::You're wrong again. The word/diff limit is purely a housekeeping measure for the evidence arbitration page itself. Tidiness is the goal there. Go ask the arbitration clerk if you don't believe me. And read an earlier discussion on my talk page. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 14:48, 12 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::::I once again apologize, but can you answer why you have kept HMV's username misspelled in the text? [[User:Dabomb87|Dabomb87]] ([[User talk:Dabomb87|talk]]) 22:12, 12 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::::I would also advise you to remove links from the headers, as they pose [[Wikipedia:ACCESS#Links|accessibility]] problems. [[User:Dabomb87|Dabomb87]] ([[User talk:Dabomb87|talk]]) 22:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== A positive step? == |
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TE, I was struck by your knock-back of my comment at the ArbCom talk page. It leads me to ask you to explicitly state here what changes in attitudes, actions, behaviour, interactions towards you by editors you might complain of would set the scene for a new workable relationship on tennis-related articles? Please don't take this as an insincere question; it is not. I am trying to find a way forward. You might be able to provide a list of what you want, so that at least it's clear where, in your opinion, a solution might lie. No one is advantaged by the current poisonous environment. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 14:43, 16 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:The road for you has always been clear: comply with Wikipedia policy and guidelines about the behavior of editors. I'm sure you're very familiar with all of them by now. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 10:45, 17 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::I was expecting more engagement about your concerns, rather than another rebuff. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 16:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== US vs U.S. Open == |
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Hello Tennis expert, according to my watchlist you moved a bunch of "... U.S. Open ..." articles to "... US Open ..." articles. Firstly, I fixed the [[Wikipedia:Double redirects|double redirects]] caused by these moves and I'd encourage you to fix any double redirects you may create in these moves yourself in the future. However, what is more pertinent is that these new "US Open" articles, and many, many other tennis articles, are categorised by "U.S. Open...". Indeed, the [[US Open (tennis)]] article itself is categorised by [[:Category:U.S. Open (tennis)]]. If you are willing, may I suggest you scan through other categories with the non-consensus spelling (i.e. U.S.) and propose them for renaming at [[WP:CFD]] (to the consensus version - US) in order that we have a consistent nomenclature throughout Wikipedia? Also, it may be of use to request an 'bot or other automated feature (e.g. AWB) to parse all tennis categorised articles to make a similar fix. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:13, 16 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:So fix it. You're free to make whatever edits or requests you believe are necessary. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 10:43, 17 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::Okay, I thought you may have wanted to finish the job you started. Never mind. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:45, 17 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== Category depopulation == |
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Per the agreement of [[User:PeterSymonds|PeterSymonds]], a clerk at [[WP:SPI|SPI]], I will now begin depopulating the duplicate suspected sockpuppet categories that were discussed at [[WT:SPI]]. Please do not repopulate them. Thank you. —/[[User:Mendaliv|<b>M</b><small>endaliv</small>]]/<sup><small>[[User talk:Mendaliv|2¢]]</small></sup>/<sub><small>[[Special:Contributions/Mendaliv|Δ's]]</small></sub>/ 22:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:Also, please note that the removal of this section without response will be taken as agreement with this action. Thanks again! —/[[User:Mendaliv|<b>M</b><small>endaliv</small>]]/<sup><small>[[User talk:Mendaliv|2¢]]</small></sup>/<sub><small>[[Special:Contributions/Mendaliv|Δ's]]</small></sub>/ 23:10, 16 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::And I will revert your edit warring. One clerk cannot dictate consensus. And you have a lot of nerve to try to dictate that an editor's decision not to respond to you on the editor's own discussion page would equal "agreement". That's highly unconstructive and disruptive. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 10:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I also concur with Mendaliv. —[[User:TravisTX|<font face="Verdana" color="#2F335F">Travis</font>]][[User_talk:TravisTX|<font color="#888888" size="-1"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 13:20, 17 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::::You should express your opinion at the discussion page of [[WP:SPI]] or another appropriate location likely to get wide readership instead of here. [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]] ([[User talk:Tennis expert#top|talk]]) 13:23, 17 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== ANEW notice == |
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Hello, this is to inform you that I have reported your behavior to [[WP:ANEW]]. See [[WP:ANEW#Tennis expert reported by Mendaliv (Result: )]]. —/[[User:Mendaliv|<b>M</b><small>endaliv</small>]]/<sup><small>[[User talk:Mendaliv|2¢]]</small></sup>/<sub><small>[[Special:Contributions/Mendaliv|Δ's]]</small></sub>/ 14:46, 17 May 2009 (UTC) |
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: I've blocked you for 24h. Please promise to stop the edit warring and I can unblock you [[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]] ([[User talk:William M. Connolley|talk]]) 16:00, 17 May 2009 (UTC) |
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