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Thine be the Glory

High RC. Do you have a source from which you copied the tune? It's a nice (and as far as I can tell accurate) harmonisation, it just needs some sort of attribution. I don't like fly-by tagging with {{cn}}, so I thought a quiet word to you would be more effective. Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 08:37, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Martin of Sheffield: As far as I can tell, it's from "Complete Anglican Hymns Old and New‎"; where the only mention for a composer is Händel himself, and although that hymnal is merely 20 yrs old, I don't think there should be an issue with copyright since when that is the case (ex. Veni, veni Emmanuel then there is a convenient notice to the effect). On a quick look at a vocal score (p. 131 if you're interested) this attribution does appear to be correct as the first 8 bars are exactly the same (once transposed down a fourth to D major) except for some rhythmical adaptations for the German lyrics. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 14:54, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

That's excellent, thanks. It means that anyone who doubts yor excellent work can go back and check. :-) Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:06, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

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hymn tunes

Welcome, unless we met over hymn tunes before ;) - Today, we have a special case, Seht, er lebt, no Baroque music but a 1973 poem, - I'd normally guess that a melody was copy-righted, but this one seems to be a traditional from Israel. Question is how traditional, and if we may do lilipond of at least part of it, such as the refrain for which the text is quoted. Melody (for different text) is here, third row. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:28, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I don't have access to that book preview from Canada :( ... Maybe you can do it yourself (see Help:Score for a basic primer, or if you're more familiar with German here) - it shouldn't be too hard if you can read normal musical notation. RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 16:37, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

I could try, but the first question is if the melody would be "free" enough to be presented, and I can't tell. It's mentioned with the name "Kol dodi", but I couldn't find a thing. - I changed "de" to "com" in the link above, - can you see that, perhaps? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Is it this, perhaps? The only change I notice with the .com link is that the text saying the pages (103-104) are not available in the preview is now in English instead of in German... RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 16:49, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Or this (which appears to match the meter of the German text)? RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 16:54, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: The above music matches with an (in-wikitext, linked ) audio I found on the web... I will work up on it to add the lyrics and add it to the article. Shouldn't pose problems copyright wise as it's a short quotation used for demontrative/educational purposes (i.e. fair use). RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 17:16, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I've had a quick look at the Chabad page, and it claims the tune was written by Alter Rebbe. Putting that name into DuckDuckGo and the top three hits refer to a gentleman whose dates were September 4, 1745 - December 15, 1812 O.S. If that's correct he's been dead 208 years and any copyright has long since expired of old age! Martin of Sheffield (talk) 17:20, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Martin of Sheffield: Thanks, but it's the other tune, which is not ascribed to any author in the source I found... RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 17:23, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

(late to this:) it's the second tune, but (for low-singing congregations) from E. Someone said all these NGL songs are in E minor, and it's not far off ;) - thank you so much! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:32, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

I compared to the hymnal: they have the second measure exactly like the first, and the last note also a half-note. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:35, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: If you think it's better the song can be transposed to e minor using \transpose a e { ... } (and changing the key signature, which is not much trouble). I will change the durations as you describe. RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 17:36, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

done, worked! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:16, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Motet

What is a motet? Our article doesn't really answer that question. Is Hear My Prayer even a motet? Is Die Sintflut a cantata. In both cases, I think the label is wrong, or at least borderline. I thought a motet is word-driven, and therefore not accompanied, unless colla parte. I thought a cantata is sung but with a substantial independent instrumental part. With these - see Bach - ideas, no to both questions. But If the composer or publisher cals something a cantata it must be a cantata ;) - Who calls Mendelssohn's work a motet. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 14 May 2020 (UTC)