User talk:Merphee

Talk:Emma Husar

As requested, issue re trivia in article now at Talk page. Please add your thoughts. HiLo48 (talk) 02:24, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

The Australian

The polite and ethical approach is to go looking for a source, not just delete text likely to be true, but that doesn't appeal to you. You could have gone to the Article's Talk page too. Your bias is blatantly on display. Sad. HiLo48 (talk) 09:01, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh for gods sake! That POV comment was sitting there asking for a source for 3 years! Obviously there is no source otherwise it would be added. It is POV. Wanting to leave it there shows your bias I'm afraid to say. There is a limit as to how long content can sit there asking for a source before it is deleted.Merphee (talk) 09:12, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

I would really prefer if you made comment on the talk page too if that's ok with you.Merphee (talk) 09:14, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Don't need to. I've found sources. Wasn't at all difficult. Haven't looked closely at this article before, assuming everyone knew of its Murdoch driven, right wing agenda. I'll be onto it now. There's heaps out there. Shame you chose not to look. Thanks for drawing it to my attention. HiLo48 (talk) 10:07, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

As I said I would prefer to talk on the article talk page. I clearly asked you about the one POV sentence that I deleted and had been sitting there for 3 years and you then immediately attacked me and said I was biased for doing so. The sentence was "The Australian has often been criticised for being biased against recent Labor governments" You did not add a source for that. I would be a monkey's uncle if you did. Have you found one?Merphee (talk) 10:53, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

I spent five minutes and found the material I did. Wouldn't take long to find more. Good faith editing would have meant assuming the line was put there in good faith, and going off to find a source yourself. You are being foolish in thinking such a line was wrong. I agree content should be discussed on the Talk page, but here I am helping a new editor become a better one. It's puzzling that you can truly believe that The Australian is balanced. Every other non-Murdoch, media outlet in Australia would be to its left on a linear spectrum. Is it your belief that all the others are biased, lefty publications? Because saying The Australian is balanced is saying just that. BTW - we all have our biases. A good editor knows his own biases and works hard to keep them out of his editing. Mine are certainly not on the right hand end of the spectrum. Yours? HiLo48 (talk) 22:19, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

This is the third time I have asked you not to be on my talk page I have no opinion either way as I've said to you about these newspapers either left or right. I find you to be harassing me.Merphee (talk) 23:51, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

• HiLo48, you got a point, but so do they re:talk page. Kindly refrain. No response necessary but an eloquent silence. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:53, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

A 90% valid comment, but I would argue that through being new on the job, this editor is making similar errors on other articles he is interested in, and my comments are thus general in nature. HiLo48 (talk) 00:30, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

My requests for you to stop commenting on my talk page were real. Even though Drmies also asked you to stop you once again added more attacks and attempts to demean me. This is unacceptable and is clearly a form of Wikipedia:Harassment.Merphee (talk) 00:49, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

It would really be good not to be personally attacked and constantly belittled by you HiLo. Maybe you could read about Wikipedia:Civility if you haven't done so in the past. No need to reply just a suggestion as I don't want further personal attacks. Can I suggest you focus on content while you are on Wikipedia rather than belittling editors at a personal level that simply have a different perspective on things than you.Merphee (talk) 07:38, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion re your conduct

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Pinkbeast (talk) 23:39, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

July 2018

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for abusing multiple accounts. Note that multiple accounts are allowed, but not for illegitimate reasons, and any contributions made while evading blocks or bans may be reverted or deleted. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  NeilN ^{talk to me} 16:59, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Merphee (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

You got this completely wrong! I can say 100% that I am not this IP address and this editor and this is my only account. I am more than happy for you to do a checkuser comparing my IP address and any other details you like to compare this other person and I. There is no way this was done otherwise you would have realised. You got this completely wrong akin to locking up an editor for a crime I didn't commit. I've done an IP lookup with my own IP address and this other person and we are in different parts of Australia even! What is this bullshit? How can I appeal? What happens when its proven you were completely wrong? Merphee (talk) 6:42 pm, Yesterday (UTC−4)

Accept reason:

All right. Either you're putting on a really good act or you don't know what a proxy server is, in which case the diffs you presented make a solid case that the other IP is not you. I'm going to AGF here and unblock you. However, continue the behavior that got you reported to ANI and it's very likely you'll get blocked again. Please read WP:DROPTHESTICK. NeilN ^{talk to me} 17:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks. Stick is now dropped.Merphee (talk) 22:53, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Not that I've noticed. HiLo48 (talk) 23:42, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @HiLo48: If you're referring to User_talk:NeilN#Merphee_again, then I don't agree with you. While I have my reservations on this unblock, Merphee not dropping the stick is not really applicable here, since they are poked with the stick in this specific case. byteflush _Talk 00:10, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Byteflush.Merphee (talk) 00:18, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

I was referring to the conversation I began in good faith here on Merphee's Talk page last night (Australian time). He first acknowledged my positive position, then went way off the rails, ultimately abusing me and deleting the conversation. Feel free to look at it and see how his behaviour swings between rational and... Well, I'll let you judge. HiLo48 (talk) 00:44, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

@HiLo48: Sorry, didn't realize that. I noticed that you were trying to help Merphee from the very beginning of this block; I have no idea why they decided that your comments were unhelpful all of the sudden - they certainly were made in good faith and (IMHO) helpful in resolving the situation. Though, you did post that comment to NeilN after Merphee was unblocked - after the unblock, I didn't see any beating of the dead horse by this user. Sorry for misunderstanding, though - you actually did try to help, and I agree the response at the time was inappropriate. byteflush _Talk 01:05, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

@HiLo48: I will make it extremely clear now. DO NOT post on my talk page again. You are harassing me. I am going to let NeilN deal with this rather than continue correcting your false narrative here on my talk page even though I'm tempted to do so!Merphee (talk) 01:55, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Probably not socking

I suspect you are right in your claim above that you and the troublesome IP editor are not one and the same. I just wrote this back at ANI....

"I too wondered about socking here, but largely dismissed it because of the geographical areas of attention from the "two" editors. Merphee mostly came to attention with an obsession over a local Sydney based politician, Emma Husar. This is in the Australian state of New South Wales. The IP editor concentrated on state politics in Victoria, Australia, and its capital of Melbourne. Sydney and Melbourne are 900 km (550 miles) apart. Sydney people generally show no interest in local Victorian affairs, and vice versa. So I decided they probably weren't connected."

None of this, of course, is a comment on your behaviour, which I still find unproductive. HiLo48 (talk) 23:01, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

I think both of us have behaved poorly HiLo48 and we should both learn from it and show more respect for Wikipedia and each other as editors. But thank you for also backing me up here. I appreciate it.Merphee (talk) 23:13, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

I also saw this other editor who was reported and that they had used bold to emphasise a point and perhaps they saw my report and tried to blur the lines by also using bold to try and frame me. Regardless I am 100% confident in saying this is my only account and the other editor was someone in the Eastern states. I also have just been looking at their edits and they are not very similar to mine apart from them using bold in their administrator's noticeboard report so I am very annoyed that NeilN locked me up without even doing a checkuser. Who wouldn't be pissed off. Hoping now that another administrator with better judgment can look at this and clear my name as quickly as possible. This is a gross injustice.Merphee (talk) 23:25, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Checkusers will never link IP addresses to registered accounts. It's against policy. And "it was a frame job" is not credible. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:29, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

• NeilN You got this completely wrong NeilN. No doubt about it. I will take it higher if I have to prove I am correct and you made a terrible mistake based on no evidence. It is a very bad judgement and reflects very poorly on you NeilN as an administrator for doing this to an innocent editor. Do a checkuser and you will see. I am 100% confident. How can editors be locked up so flippantly like this by an administrator is what I want to know. Are there any standards here when it comes to making such extreme measures and locking editors up.Merphee (talk) 23:10, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

• I do not think I'm wrong. Another admin will look at the situation and decide. Link for reference: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#IP_violating_BLP_at_various_articles --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:20, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Wow. You don't even admit you are wrong NeilN. Do a checkuser. Unbelievable. What happens in cases where administrators get it so very wrong like you have?Merphee (talk) 23:28, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

I have been reading through the other editor's posts and the style is completely different. There is no way I am going to accept this, why should I. I will take it to the arbitration committee.Merphee (talk) 23:47, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

NeilN On top of all of that, our IP addresses show we are in completely different states of Australia. What did I do, get on a jet plane for each edit NeilN! Why are you purposely ignoring this point NeilN as an administrator in a position of trust. That should be enough evidence in of itself. You have made a grave error and taken no care in your actions as an administrator and you don't have the decency to admit you are wrong, which I find utterly disgraceful as a fellow Australian and more importantly an administrator.Merphee (talk) 23:57, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

NeilN After carefully searching through all of my edits I finally found it! On one edit I remember I made an error whereby I made an edit without being logged in. It showed up as my IP address.   [1] I then in the next edit, signed the edit as can be seen here [2] If you do an IP GEO location search as I did first thing this morning when I was greeted with this injustice I saw we are in completely different states of Australia! Now NeilN can you admit you made a very big mistake and unlock me from editor prison as natural justice should allow. https://www.iplocation.net/Merphee (talk) 00:59, 1 August 2018 (UTC) We don't even use the same internet provider. I'm in Adelaide and they are in Melbourne! We are 800 kilometres apart NeilN as you bloody well know! Unblock me please and admit you are wrong.You have obligations on you as an administrator and my editing style is completely different than theirs to top it all off. Unblock me!Merphee (talk) 00:59, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Ponyo, what do you think? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 01:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Ponyo and NeilN how much longer do you expect me to stay in editor prison for a crime I have not committed and the irrefutable evidence proves that a grave injustice has obviously been done here. It is impossible to travel 800 kilometers between every edit. I am not superman! Can you please unblock me and apologise to me for making this fundamental error you have both made and without due care? This is is disgusting NeilN that you would allow an editor to continue to languish in prison after the PROOF is now directly in front of you. How would both of you feel? You have obligations on you as an administrator at Wikipedia. Unblock me!Merphee (talk) 03:39, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Ponyo and NeilN just in case you say I've used a Virtual private network which I just read about on Wikipedia (because I had honestly had no idea what it actually was although I've heard the term VPN) my IP is from Vodafone Australia and this other editor is from Optus Network Australia. These are hard irrefutable facts NeilN. Given they are facts I cannot travel 800k's between each edit. I am not a superhero nor do I have a supersonic jet. I also just called Vodafone and they confirmed it is not possible to display their IP address if you are using a so called VPN. I'm really not too IT savvy but surely you can see my point NeilN that there is no other explanation here than that you have falsely branded and tarnished me as a sockpuppet when you bloody well know I am not and you should have taken more care! Unblock me and apologise to the community so I can clear my name. I do not lie! And anyone falsely imprisoned would be as voraciously and pointedly defending themselves as I am here. Unblock me!![3] [4]

I also just rang Optus Australia and asked to be put through to a manager who confirmed that the other person's IP address is definitely theirs and is 100% not possible to be generated using a VPN!! You have falsely imprisoned me for a crime I have not committed. How would you like to be reported and falsely convicted. Most concerning here though and why I am so pissed off is you allowing me to languish in editor prison when you know bloody well that there is no other explanation but that you have made a careless and grave mistake!Merphee (talk) 05:47, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Irrefutable proof that we are 2 separate editors

Ponyo and NeilN I'll make it really clear for you both so there is no confusion at all.

Ok, this is the other editor's IP address as you know: 110.22.50.32

and this is my IP address 120.20.151.207 as is proven with these diffs where editor onetwothreeip made 3 reverts within 5 minutes. [5] [6]

And here is what is called an IP GEO lookup tool. https://www.iplocation.net

You simply put the 2 separate IP addresses, mine and the other editor's, into the IP GEO Lookup tool, and bingo you get my location in Adelaide South Australia and the other completely different editor in Melbourne Victoria.

The 2 capital cities are 800 kilometres away.

I have no supersonic jet plane and I am not Superman.

So I couldn't be alternating between 2 capital cities.

And as far as your false VPN explanation NeilN, both Vodafone Australia (my provider) and Optus (the other editor's provider) confirmed that these 2 IP addresses cannot possibly be generated any other way and are their genuine IP addresses.

They said anyone with even basic knowledge in IT and computing would 100% already know this.

This is therefore irrefutable proof, not evidence, but actual irrefutable proof that you are wrong and we are in fact, 2 separate editors.

But of course you already know that NeilN and refuse to admit your blatant error.

Nothing else matters. Not editing similarities, bold text or anything. It is really really simple logic.

Please admit you are wrong now and unblock me now.

How would you like it NeilN?

Thank you.Merphee (talk) 10:35, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

"They said anyone with even basic knowledge in IT and computing would 100% already know this." This statement right here makes me doubt everything you say. As I stated earlier, another admin will look at your appeal. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 12:43, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

NeilN Yep. I actually told them that it was a dispute on Wikipedia and that an administrator had tried to tell others that I was using a VPN. I said would the administrator know the difference between the IP address and they said yes. And I said how much knowledge would you need in IT to know the difference and they said something like "anyone with even basic knowledge in IT would know the difference if they had the IP address in front of them" And anyway NeilN you know as well as I do that there is nothing for another administrator to look at apart from the 3 points. It is black and white. 1/ There is 2 identified IP addresses 2/ The GEO lookup tool provides the location and the internet provider 3/ There is 800 kms between myself and the other editor. That's all there is to it. I am serious about making a complaint to the the arbitration committee in some way or another though if I'm not unblocked or blocked indefinitely to cover this blatant error you've made up and refuse to admit. I'm cool with answering to any other concerns. But my whole point here is I will not be tarnished as someone using multiple accounts when you bloody know I didn't!Merphee (talk) 13:26, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Either you communicated the situation improperly or are making this up. There's no magic way to tell if an IP is coming from a proxy server accessed via a VPN just by looking at it. To assert there is is going to get you a good laugh out of people with a so-called basic knowledge of networking. Secondly, two seconds of googling led me to this company (I'm sure there are more). Notice which providers they have IPs for? You can stop pinging me now. Unless another admin wants further input, I'm done responding here. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 13:40, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

I may have described it to them incorrectly and admittedly I'm not sure what you're talking about, nor what you're accusing me of, so a wee bit baffled by the IT and VPN stuff I only read the Wikipedia article this morning, so I won't pretend I do, but that's beside the point. I'm going to give Vodafone a call again tomorrow. All I know is we have my IP address and we have the other editor's IP address. And a GEO IP lookup tool which says I'm in Adelaide yes I am. And the IP lookup tool says the other editor is in Melbourne and I'm positive you know I'm right and you've made an error here NeilN but anyway. I've certainly repeated myself enough times in the last couple of days and repeated the words fuck off to do my own head in let alone other editors here.Merphee (talk) 15:02, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

I haven't delved into this case (and I don't intend to) but I noticed it in passing. There are a number of ways to use IP addresses from different locations, and a physical separation is not irrefutable proof that they are operated by two different people. For example, in the past, I've simultaneously operated computers on different IP address with different ISPs, in different countries. And no VPN, no web proxy, no web host. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:14, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Quite so. 81.187.27.126 (talk) 17:46, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm not Superman either. 2001:BA8:1E3:0:0:0:0:0 (talk) 17:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Options for recourse and natural justice

Firstly I was just looking through the contacts for Wikipedia.

Could we ping Jimmy Wales Jimbo's expert opinion on this? He may see my logic?

Especially when an administrator is so blatantly wrong and cannot admit it?Merphee (talk) 10:42, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

How many other times a day do you chase new editors away, blocking them wrongfully like this NeilN?Merphee (talk) 10:43, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Couldn't these abuses of power create and result in biased articles for the foundation?

Arbitration Committee option

"The Arbitration Committee also has the power to discipline administrators, and has done so in several cases.

In a truly rare case the Wikimedia Board of Trustees could step in."

Hmmm...this seems quite a "rare case" where irrefutable evidence has been provided disproving your assumption and by now not unblocking me an abuse of administrator power has therefore been proven.

Interesting. The main concern is how much damage an unethical administrator can do every single day and how skewed and biased articles would result.

As I say maybe the arbitration committee wouldn't give a shit? Or maybe they would? I don't know? Do you know?

Hoping you may see the light before they are contacted by email.

Your call NeilN?Merphee (talk) 10:56, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

120.20.124.88 (talk) 11:00, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Quick summary as to where we are at

So to summarise this is the other editor's IP address as you know: 110.22.50.32

And here is what is called an IP GEO lookup tool. https://www.iplocation.net

Please decide administrator NeilN.Merphee (talk) 11:48, 1 August 2018 (UTC)