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:::Thanks for the effort, but we are past the assurances part at this point, aren't we? Golden was put under a tban probation after their sock appeal. It was lifted just a couple of months ago, yet Golden doesn't appear to show any signs of change in AA. It is not a single mistake, or even a few unrelated mistakes: I see the same tendentious pattern prior to their socking. I already highlighted one of them to you in the recent past - instead of reporting them I came straight to your talk page as their mentor, out of good faith and courtesy. I didn't yet report for the current incident either, I was willing to assume good faith even in this situation and that Golden ''must've'' had some rationale in mind for their recent behavior. I was flabbergasted - there surely should've been some self-reflection after the socking, the tban probation, the edit I notified about on your talk not so recently??? I would expect a serious reflection from someone who has double the age/experience of my account and given all the above context. Yet it's the same old story repeating itself, and the same elusive justifications for tendentious edits/behavior, what are those reassurances worth at this point? I think we reached a point where Golden has to explain themselves directly, in front of a larger community. [[User:ZaniGiovanni|ZaniGiovanni]] ([[User talk:ZaniGiovanni|talk]]) 23:13, 13 July 2022 (UTC) |
:::Thanks for the effort, but we are past the assurances part at this point, aren't we? Golden was put under a tban probation after their sock appeal. It was lifted just a couple of months ago, yet Golden doesn't appear to show any signs of change in AA. It is not a single mistake, or even a few unrelated mistakes: I see the same tendentious pattern prior to their socking. I already highlighted one of them to you in the recent past - instead of reporting them I came straight to your talk page as their mentor, out of good faith and courtesy. I didn't yet report for the current incident either, I was willing to assume good faith even in this situation and that Golden ''must've'' had some rationale in mind for their recent behavior. I was flabbergasted - there surely should've been some self-reflection after the socking, the tban probation, the edit I notified about on your talk not so recently??? I would expect a serious reflection from someone who has double the age/experience of my account and given all the above context. Yet it's the same old story repeating itself, and the same elusive justifications for tendentious edits/behavior, what are those reassurances worth at this point? I think we reached a point where Golden has to explain themselves directly, in front of a larger community. [[User:ZaniGiovanni|ZaniGiovanni]] ([[User talk:ZaniGiovanni|talk]]) 23:13, 13 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::::@[[User:ZaniGiovanni|ZaniGiovanni]]: If you are suggesting you should report Golden to AE for this incident (as part of a larger pattern), then nothing I'm going to say is going to be helpful for you. I spoke to Golden privately on the matter because I was ''personally upset'' about it, but it wasn't exactly severe [[Wikipedia:Gravedancing|gravedancing]] here. You could argue it was a bit of [[Wikipedia:gaming the system|gaming the system]], but I am personally not convinced that was what this was. This is not something that is likely to be repeated nor is it something I think Golden willfully did.<br />Either way, I have no intentions of shielding Golden from accountability (nor is that even something I am capable of). If you need me to get out of the way for you to have this conversation solely with Golden, then just say as much. I just happen to be a {{tpw}} lol –<span style="font-family:CG Times, times">[[User:MJL|<span style="color:black">MJL</span>]] [[User talk:MJL|‐'''Talk'''‐]]<sup>[[User:MJL/P|☖]]</sup></span> 06:40, 14 July 2022 (UTC) |
::::@[[User:ZaniGiovanni|ZaniGiovanni]]: If you are suggesting you should report Golden to AE for this incident (as part of a larger pattern), then nothing I'm going to say is going to be helpful for you. I spoke to Golden privately on the matter because I was ''personally upset'' about it, but it wasn't exactly severe [[Wikipedia:Gravedancing|gravedancing]] here. You could argue it was a bit of [[Wikipedia:gaming the system|gaming the system]], but I am personally not convinced that was what this was. This is not something that is likely to be repeated nor is it something I think Golden willfully did.<br />Either way, I have no intentions of shielding Golden from accountability (nor is that even something I am capable of). If you need me to get out of the way for you to have this conversation solely with Golden, then just say as much. I just happen to be a {{tpw}} lol –<span style="font-family:CG Times, times">[[User:MJL|<span style="color:black">MJL</span>]] [[User talk:MJL|‐'''Talk'''‐]]<sup>[[User:MJL/P|☖]]</sup></span> 06:40, 14 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::::The majority of Armatura's points in his last reply were almost entirely comments on user behaviour rather than the content dispute at hand. I intended to ignore the issue until I had the patience to engage with a user like Armatura again, which is why I didn't respond to him for 20 days. But then he was banned, and since he was the only person in the discussion with whom I was conversing, I wasn't sure what else I was supposed to do. So I just reinstated my edit, explained my reasoning again on the talk page, and anyone new who disagreed could revert and restart the discussion. I can see now how that could have given the wrong impression, and I admit that I could have handled the situation better. I can apologise if that would help? — [[User:Golden|<span style="color:#0F52BA;">Golden</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Golden|<span style="font-size:82%"><span>''call me maybe?''</span></span>]]</sup> 16:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC) |
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