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Dear Freind

If possible a little about not confirm link Give me explain

Tx Eni Kazemi

You should watch this.

It's very clear that for some reason, there are forces working to keep the Bosnian pyramids from being espoused as genuine pyramids. There is sufficient evidence which is very detailed, but I see none of it on the page. I would like to edit it, but I know you would just cite me as uninformed, and undo everything I add. Therefor, I believe it only fair that both sides should be presented. One section labeled as evidence against (which to me is hear-say because no formal expedition of outside archeologists has summoned up the courage to swallow their pride and investigate), and one section labeled as evidence for (which, I was a skeptic until I watched footage of the excavation process, and the structural foundation of the "hill" does not resemble anything I have naturally seen). It is my conclusion that the research published on Wikipedia is biased against the observable, and replicable, facts indicated by his research. And yes, just you know, he has a Ph.D in history, 2 B.A.s, and one Master's degree. Please feel free to e-mail me ([email protected]), as I know from experience that editing an article comes with complications, and I would like to work with you in regards to the subject content of the discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.149.155.105 (talk) 21:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Mr. 72.149.155.105 stated “structural foundation of the "hill" does not resemble anything I have naturally seen.” I and many other geologists, with whom I have talked, have seen innumerable examples of naturally jointed bedrock that are identical to what called above the “structural foundation” of the Bosnian (pseudo)pyramids. The joint patterns seen at Visočica and other hills near Visoko, Bosnia and Herzegovina, are such typical examples of jointed bedrock, their natural origin is obvious even in pictures and videos. The hills near Visoko are just an example of many cases, i.e. the Yonaguni “pyramid” in the Ryukyus Islands of Japan; the “Phoenician fortress and furnace” reported from Oklahoma; and a “tiled floor” found in Oklahoma City, where people inexperienced in geology have confused naturally jointed bedrock with manmade stonework. Go look at [pavements et dallages] and [Geology of the Bosnian "pyramids"]

By the way, just because a person has a PhD fails to guarantee that the person is either an expert in everything that e or she writes about or is infallible in their opinions. For example, the Young earth creationist, Dr. Steve Austin has a PhD in geology and Dr. Gerardus D. Bouw a speaker at the [First Annual Catholic Conference on Geocentrism] (Nov. 6, 2010, South Bend, Indiana) has a PhD in astronomy from Case Western Reserve University.(Paul H. (talk) 13:37, 23 September 2010 (UTC))

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Do you have some time?

To help clean up the Yogi Bhajan series? I tried working on the main article a few times, but the SPAs are relentless. I've sought the help of a few others but a couple tried and left, a couple looked and knew better. It was initially just two articles, Harbhajan Singh Yogi and 3HO that resembled a fansite, but now the problem is going across many articles (just see what links to the main ones), with a lot of these fringy thingies getting too much visibility on other articles, and sometimes articles of their own. If you have the time and interest to work on this set, I can give you some background info. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:10, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I think I have to say no. I really don't have any familiarity with the subject, and I'd find it difficult to clean up this set. I'll dabble a bit but I can't actually dedicate much time. If there's anything specific, let me do. I'm doing some editing now, eg the UN claim on 3HO which I've tried to source before. Are there any new articles? Dougweller (talk) 17:32, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I haven't any "off-wiki" familiarity/knowledge with/of this set either, (which is why I've been going around asking for help), I came across it when I sent one to AfD as there were some ludicrous claims like knighthood and stuff (that article is now in userspace). Since then I've just been trying to curtail the POV on these puff pieces. Some like Kundalini Yoga are becoming outlets to promote Kundalini Yoga as Taught by Yogi Bhajan, and there are numerous yoga teachers who've had articles created on them. There are a few SPAs who play in this space, and all except for two (who are very anti Yogi Bhajan) go around linking these two articles everywhere, so much so that "Kundalini Yoga is taught in many places across the world" was referenced to the list of 3HO classes! The main SPA, is also the author of Bhajan's biography and that is referred to in numerous articles (see some of the deleted contribs of Guru Fatha Singh Khalsa) cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:43, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

There also seems to be stuff sourced to his taped lectures that seems like interpretation of what he said, rather than what he said. But this is indeed a mess. Why do we have KYastaughtby, which says 'also known as Kundalini Yoga? The first article says it's synonymous with the 2nd. Dougweller (talk) 18:19, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

The SPAs are generally claiming that Bhajan revealed the secrets of KY to the world, so they think it's synonymous, I haven't touched that one yet (Gatoclass has been trying to clean up the POV in that area). cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 18:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

The spas are using KY? I think I went to one of those in Bangkok...PiCo (talk) 22:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Yet another one

Hello Dougweller, sorry to disturb you, but there seems to be another one. It's user Rondovenezziano... The Ogre (talk) 09:55, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Done. Dougweller (talk) 09:51, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Budija

Hello! I don't know where he gets that stuff from, but it is an example of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH if I ever saw one. I tried to read the House of Keglević but got a headache after a couple of paragraphs. I cannot make head or tails of it, as his English is atrocious and the text itself incoherent. I didn't check the citations, but if it is anything like here, it will be full of (deliberate?) misquotations and errors, interspersed with irrelevant passages. Either this is some kid trying to write a fantasy essay on his family, or a deliberate hoax. Given that he is active in the Croatian version too, I suspect the former. I'd definitively support reverting this crap to this version, preferably even deleting the article and then re-creating it from scratch. Constantine ✍ 17:59, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

He created the article. I've raised it at the fringe board, we'll see. But I think all his stuff is like that, so more action may be needed. Dougweller (talk) 18:00, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

You are right, it's too much. I'll change it. Budija —Preceding undated comment added 21:21, 23 September 2010 (UTC).

He's removed most of the blatantly outlandish claims, but problems still remain. Since he uses chiefly old German sources, I tried a search of my own for the family (with the variants "Keglewitsch" and "Keglevich"), and found several short mentions of some of its members. The subject definitively has substance ([1]), but given Budija's track record he's not the one to write it. Constantine ✍ 23:40, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Crossing of the Red Sea

The 2 or 3 new paragraphs are heavily reliant on just 2 authors, which is a bit biased by its nature. I don't want to discourage people from editing though - I might drop him a note suggesting he cut it back to 1 para, expand his sources, and go for tertiary sources instead of primary ones. The sources he uses are good in themselves, but I think our editor, like so many (the majority?) is trying to discover The Truth instead of just reflecting the range of views.PiCo (talk) 01:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

PiCo deleted the entire section on Wind Setdown with the comment that there is far too much on one theory. Now the article has far too little on any theory. The instructions on Wikipedia say to "Be Bold", which is what I have done. Since I am new to Wikipedia and Dougweller has kindly welcomed me, perhaps you can provide some guidance? CarlDrews (talk) 19:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Unless you have sources discussing the crossing of the Red Sea AND 'wind setdown', we shouldn't have a section with that name. Dougweller (talk) 19:53, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Where is the comment area that I NEED to contribute to? =

I have been working on RMP 43 and RMP 47 ... TOO BUSY for Wikipedia ... Milogardner (talk) 12:15, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Please clarify

H Doug, I had a quick question. On the admin noticeboard re the Eversman discussion you commented "This bothers me a bit coming so shortly after the notice, but it's hopefully a coincidence." I'm wondering what notice you were referring to. Thanks. Spangle (talk) 16:17, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

The ANI thread itself. Probably a coincidence. Dougweller (talk) 17:51, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Re

In regard to this [2]. I just got the message, I've been extremely busy, then had to deal with some flooding and now I'm traveling. I will get to the request and cut back the statement as soon as I can.

However, the simple reason why my statement is long is because it is a response to Skapperod's own very long statement (about 2000 words by my count), which he has been making even longer recently - and for sake of clarity I quote him in several places. Could you please ask Skapperod to cut back his statement as well so that I know what I'm responding to?radek (talk) 01:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

About license for File:Samuel Kwok, Johan Tjongiran & Suwanto Lim.JPG

Hi Dougweller, I follow the bot instruction and look into the tag page, but i dont understand, anyway please tell me how to add license for existing upload image. Thanks for your help. Kungkang (talk) 02:03, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

information about the links

Dear Dougweller,

It seems that you removed two links that I added. These are simply for more information about Anastasius Sinaita (also called Anastasios of Sinai) and his important work the Hexaemeron. The external sites are intended primarily for students and scholars.

More importantly, the information about the Hexaemeron has disappeared from the Wiki page. That is one of his most important works. If there seems to be some copyright infringement with the Anastasios of Sinai site, don't worry: I'm the author of that.

Please let me know what else I can do - or should do - to add these informative links and to put back the paragraph about the Hexaemeron on the Wiki page.

Thanks for your help,

Clementkuehn (talk) 16:51, 27 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clementkuehn (talk • contribs) 16:43, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, and sorry

Dear Dougweller,

I'm sorry about the crossed emails and for taking your time. I will look at the link that you suggested about copyrights. We'll see what we can do to set this right.

Thanks for your patience,

Clementkuehn (talk) 17:00, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I have changed the problem paragraph

Dear Dougweller,

I have changed the problem paragraph on the Hexaemeron and made it original. At the end, I still make a reference to my book, where such topics are discussed, in order to avoid any copyright questions.

Can I put back the two links to my outside websites? They contain more extensive information about the author and his works: but the wording is now different.

Thanks again for your careful eye. I am impressed by your comment: "It's been confusing from an outsider's point of view (ie you've copied stuff from other sources and cited it to your work)." As an author of books and websites, I do respect your vigilance.

Clement Clementkuehn (talk) 17:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll be posting more tomorrow. Go ahead with the links (I think you have). We do have a lot of problems with copyright violation - we don't even like close paraphrasing. And even where they are your words, there are usually still copyright problems. Dougweller (talk) 19:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Dear Doug,

I don't want to become a burden. But I guess I could use your advice and guidance here. I read the Conflict of Interest article and I also think I understand your copyright concerns. I am the author of most of the Wikipedia article Anastasius Sinaita, and also the author of the websites to which I link. I am also the editor of the book to which I refer. I work closely with Rev. Dr. Joseph Munitiz and am in frequent communication with the other Anastasian scholars. So you will find similar ideas and vocabulary in the external websites, the books, and the Wiki article.

But I do want to do things right here. I have changed the wording in the Wiki Anastasius Sinaita article a bit, to make it more original. Please let me know if I should still make further adjustments.

And again I am sorry for my obfuscations. I am trying to learn to be an upstanding Wiki citizen.

Clementkuehn (talk) 02:29, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

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User talk:Egardiner0

Hi Mr. Dougweller,

Before you get mad at me please let me assure you that my comments to you here is humor only.

Best regards,

68.197.144.38 (talk) 00:20, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Dʿmt

Best I can remember, I haven't seen the variant "Diʿamat" before. But I'm not surprised: every proper name related to Ethiopia has a lot of variant spellings, if not variant names. One example is "Addis Ababa" vs. "Addis Abeba", but also "Finfinne". BTW, thanks for fighting the good fight against the crazies. -- llywrch (talk) 05:05, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Your questions touch on a lot of issues & requires a TL;DR response, which I was trying to avoid. So I ask your indulgence to tackle those issues now in the depth they require.

First, any Google search on "D'mt" or Di'amat" is going to return a bloody lot of false positives due to how it parses the input. There's something about that apostrophe/glottal stop Google's search engine just can't handle. When I added "Ethiopia" to the string, Google returned a lot more useful hits -- for both forms.

Second, African archeology -- excluding Egypt -- is a very neglected subject; the state for Ethiopian archeology is better than average, but that's not saying much. The reasons for this include such things as racism, lack of funds, & the working environment; not only does a field archeologist need to deal with a lack of infrastructure, disease & wild animals, but also with chronic lawlessness which ranges from thievery to civil war. So there just aren't that many sources, let alone online, for Google to find & return in a search.

So I took my usual course & consulted the items in my personal library for examples of which form is likely to be used. Paul Henze, in his Layers of Time one of the standard general histories of Ethiopia, uses "Damot/Diamat", but he admits in his preface that he makes no attempt to be correct in his transliteration. Richard Pankhurst, who is considered the authority on Ethiopian History -- although his statements can be outdated or just plain wrong -- takes no position: in neither his The Ethiopians nor The Ethiopian Borderlands does he use either term. S.C. Munro-Hay, both in his Excavations at Aksum and his Aksum: An African Civilisation of Late Antiquity uses the form "D'MT", although in Excavations he mentions "Dia'mat" as a possible reading of "D'MT".

(At some point I should note that the inscriptions which mention D'mt were written without vowels, which was the usual practice for writing Semitic languages at the time. So "D'mt", "Da'mot", "Damot", "Di'amat" & "Dia'mat" are all equally valid forms; the authorities simply have their preferences, & not always for rational reasons.)

So what should be done here? Do what you think is best. I'm not too hung up on specific forms of the names used in Ethiopian articles as long as their use is attested -- & a serious effort is made to avoid diacritical ornamentation. (I personally feel using them risks eye glaze-over & makes it harder for the user to read the article.) And redirects are cheap; I haven't bothered to make them for many articles that should have them because I'd rather spend my time working on the articles. And if you don't want that much responsibility email Yom, who either wrote most of these articles or most of their content. I'm comfortable deferring to his judgment. -- llywrch (talk) 16:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Dispute - your guidance requested

Doug, I'm having a dispute at History of ancient Israel and Judah - a user insists that the sources don't support the article, and I believe they do. We don't seem able to talk it out, so I think the best way now is to ask for admins to check the footnotes for us. How do I do that? (Only 2 sections are involved, not the whole article). PiCo (talk) 07:09, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure, WP:RSN is probably the place to start, or an RfC. Dougweller (talk) 09:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

RSN doesn't seem right - how to go about RfC? PiCo (talk) 10:06, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

See WP:RFC. Dougweller (talk) 10:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Am writing to request that you stop vandalising Dr Motsoko Pheko's web page. It serves no purpose and your allegations have been over -ruled by a court of law.Dr Pheko is no longer in politics so this vendetta is pointless and vindictive.It is also slanderous.Please stop