User talk:Dikstr

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Hello, Dikstr! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! - Eldereft (cont.) 02:39, 1 February 2009 (UTC) Getting started A tutorial • Our five pillars • Getting mentored How to: edit a page • upload and use images Getting help Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view • No original research Verifiability • Reliable sources • Citing sources What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The community Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community Portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The perfect article • Manual of style Stubs • Categories • Disambiguation Pages needing attention • Peer review Miscellaneous User name • User pages • Talk pages Clean up: General • Spam • Vandalism Join a WikiProject • Translation Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

Two uploaded images seem to be copyright violations

The copyrights on these two images seem to be owned by someone else, and if so then we cannot use them on Wikipedia.

File:ACRIM Composite TSI.png listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, File:ACRIM Composite TSI.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Madman (talk) 05:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

File:Big Dipper 1980.png listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, File:Big Dipper 1980.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Madman (talk) 05:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Have added informational template

I have added the informational template to these two uploads. Can you please complete these fields?? This will tell the administrators some information concerning the files. Thanks, Madman (talk) 14:32, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Happy to do so - have to find out how first--Dikstr (talk) 07:08, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

You can use the wikilinks in the headers above to go to the image pages. You'll see the templates there. Just edit' the page. Thanks, Madman (talk) 13:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Done and done! Thanks for your help. --Dikstr (talk) 18:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Solar Cycles and Citations

Thank you for working on Solar variation and inserting updated references. When you make edits, please use <ref></ref> tags and full citations; look at the pre-existing citations for examples, and spend some time reading Wikipedia to see how proper citations are used; if you look at the Global Warming section, you'll see that it flows better with the proper footnotes instead of the names inserted in the middle; the footnotes also provide additional important information about the reference.

On the talk page, I was also putting forward an idea of a re-structuring of the section: as it stands, I feel like it is too much of a peanut gallery of statements of scientists. I was hoping that it could go into each of the 3 major reasons (basic blackbody, UV, and cosmic rays/cloud nucleation) in a way that shows the whys. On that note, I read the JGR GRL paper you linked, and I'm skeptical right now, but my skepticism is based on the fact that I've never seen the empirical relationships that they cite; do you have those papers?

We can continue this conversation here or (maybe better) on the talk page, but thanks for your additions, and I'd like to hear any information that you have on the solar cycles; feel free to copy/paste what I say onto the talk page to keep it in context.

Thanks.

Awickert (talk) 01:29, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Glad to contribute to the solar variation article. My motivation is to make sure a balanced view on these and related topics are presented. Which specific articles are you interestted in? --Dikstr (talk) 21:33, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for adding full citations. If you want to make it easier, you can just add the DOI, and I or you can use an automated citation bot to fill in the rest. Also, I just learned that in your "preferences-->gadgets", you can turn on a citation template automatic generator; I always used to type the template by hand, but no longer.

I might be making some change to the structure of the section (as per the talk page) and add some info.

As for me, I mostly work on geology and geophysics, though I've been putting out NPOV fires in climate recently. This is, I think, the first time I've tried to do something more than damage control with climate.

Awickert (talk) 01:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help in editing contributions and the tips on entering citations especially - doing them manually is a bit tedious. What does NPOV stand for?

Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, a core policy. Global warming articles tend to attract questionable or poorly sourced edits. - Eldereft (cont.) 19:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Right - and I forgot to add, the way to cite things by hand and then use the citation bot is to type {{cite journal|doi=12345bla}} or {{cite book|ISBN=isbnthing}}. I usually just do that and run User:Citation bot for the rest. The full listing for full reference citing is at Citation templates. Awickert (talk) 00:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Slow revert war at Solar variation

In general, if you find yourself being reverted by multiple editors, it's a good idea to explain your position on the talk page so that the issues can be resolved. As for this edit summary, let me assure you that I am not a part of any "subset" of editors with the others who have reverted you (if you don't believe me check the global warming talk page archives or this), it's just that your sources don't currently meet the bar for inclusion IMO. Also, "automatically mark edits as minor" is an option you can turn off in your settings. Oren0 (talk) 04:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

To everyone involved in editing this section:

Glad to hear that you are not a member of that group Oren0. In any case, as it stands, Foukal's literature survey of 2006 is affected by both his historical bias re solar variability and the fact that it doesn't include important new work that's occurred since the research he reviewed. The 'cut and paste' comment results from my 'newbie Wikipedic ignorance' - I used it to 'revert' the paragraph I had constructed and another editor had removed. As far as the quality of the references, I must ask you to be more specific. Most of the references are refereed journals. Perhaps the verbiage of the paragraph in question could be improved, but it shouldn't be eliminated. I'm always prepared to respond to objective criticism and recommendations for improving my input but I expect it to be a straightforward process with specific critique. Otherwise it has the appearance of oblique excuses to keep information out of the section that conflicts with someone's politically correct view regarding solar forcing of climate. I have assumed, and hope I'm right, that Wikipedia is supposed to be a source of useful information with a balanced view - not a politically correct propaganda propagator.--Dikstr (talk) 18:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)--Dikstr (talk) 18:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Let me explain what I mean by WP:WEIGHT in regards to these references. Lots of articles are published in scientific journals. What makes these important enough to cover in what must be a relatively brief summary of the topic? Can you demonstrate, for example, that news organizations have deemed this article to be important by reporting on it? Has this article been cited by many others? These types of considerations must be used when determining whether an article should be mentioned. Without applying these sorts of metrics, we're bound to have an edit war any time one editor decides that one paper should be mentioned in an article. We cannot decide which papers are important, only reliable sources can. If you can demonstrate that this article has received significant press coverage, cites, etc. then its inclusion will be better received. Oren0 (talk) 03:47, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

OK - that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. I'll work on that aspect.--Dikstr (talk) 08:49, 21 February 2009 (UTC)