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Fountain of Time

Can you strike resolved issues.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:49, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I found your review to be unusual in two respects. You were willing to do a lot of the cleanup legwork. Usually a reviewer just makes a list and says do it. You did a lot of stuff yourself. This made it easier for me, but it is not necessary. However, I wish more reviewers would do so. Secondly, you passed the article with many things undone. While you have an article at GACoh, you have a captive audience. Often, there is no intention of taking the article to the next level. Thus, once you pass it the article will sit with all the problems. I have intention of taking this to WP:MILHIST A-Class review once the WP:GTC nomination is completed (if not before). I will attempt to address your changes before taking it there, so that is not a problem here. However, generally, I frown upon letting a GA pass with many suggestions unresolved. Try to encourage the editor to make the changes before passing the article. Otherwise your review was fairly standard. Overall, I consider your review to be very good.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:07, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that's useful.

I often find myself doing a lot of fixing rather than suggesting the fixes, on the basis of WP:BOLD and also because, often, it's quicker to fix something than to describe what's wrong. Sometimes it annoys me when people tell you 'such and such should be a wikilink to whatever', and the keystrokes in them telling you that could have been much more gainfully employed in making the change! However, the problem with that is, if everyone spent as much time on doing a GA review as I did on yours, the backlog would be enormous. Maybe I should, sometimes, just put a general comment saying 'the prose isn't up to the standard, please improve it and resubmit'?

I understand what you say about it being in the public eye, but feel it would be inappropriate to hold back an article from GA status pending further improvement when I freely acknowledge that the additional suggestions are merely that, and aren't a prerequisite to GA status; there is definitely a pay-off between that idea and the point you make about it stagnating, though. (In general, I mean; not as regards your article which you've explained your plan to develop).

I'm rather frustrated about an article I just put to FA. I was probably pre-emptive in putting it forward, but it received 2 very brief 'oppose' votes, and so I have very little to go on as to how to improve it. I suppose that's why, when doing your GA (and others), I'm very careful to give suggestions rather than mere complaints.

With regard to your article development, in addition to those sugestions, I did a little experimentation with the layout which you might consider. I played around with the structure, and feel it might be better structured with sections called 'Planning', 'Installation', 'Design' (and then 'restoration', as is). That might give it a more logical flow; I've put the para's in that order into User:Chzz/fount, it should give you an idea what I mean.

Good luck with it, let me know if I can do any more to help.

--  Chzz  ►  20:36, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I reorganized the article as you suggested. You may be interested in voicing your opinion at Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Washington Park (Chicago park)‎, where Fountain of Time is currently a part of a WP:GTC.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:33, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Cool; I'll certainly chip in to that, when I get a bit of time. Is there a deadline to that? Also, are you going over my 'suggestions'? If there's any don't make sense, ask me. Cheers, --  Chzz  ►  01:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Unless I get a GAC on hold notice your suggestions are penciled in for the midnight hour tonight.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:37, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

No deadline. Personal schedule. Midnight Chicago time. 3.5 hours.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Tell me about your FA. I have an FAC that could use all hands on deck for Inauguration of Barack Obama.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:05, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your support on the GTC and for your tip. I will look at it next.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:36, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

LIke I said we need all hands on deck.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:20, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I thought you said you like to make the changes instead of spending the keystrokes talking about changes that need to be made.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I think this list may have all the citizens. You could probably google each one. I have linked three to the article already. I will probably get back to that article around 1:30. A new fire just came up.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:53, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

←←I am working on your additional comments. I have put my questions in bold.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:34, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I have created Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Fountain of Time for an A-Class review discussion. Why don't you summarize your remaining issues with the article there and we can hold ongoing discussions with other people paying attention.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Wow! It passed WP:MILHIST A-Class faster than any other article I have ever submitted. I think there are two or three more points left to address from the talk page discussion. I guess we can talk there again. This will be my next WP:FAC so you should be really critical.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Wow, congrats! I can do 'hyper-critical' :-) Get to you real soon. Well done mate! --  Chzz  ►  21:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I prefer tigers on my user page to barnstars. Leave me a tiger instead.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:59, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tiger.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Can you at least strike your comments.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:52, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:16, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I picked up two books at the library yesterday. I also found some vintage pictures online this morning (see the article).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:51, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Neither book makes it clear whether it is exactly 100 or more than 100. I am pretty much done with both as it relates to this fountain.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:13, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I have now nominated this at WP:FAC, please come by and paricipate in the discussion or voice your oppose/support opinion.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

At one point you altered all of the Newsbank refs. Now, I am unable to open any of them. What exactly did you do?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it was these two edits. I can't undo them. Do you know a quick way to do so?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:47, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh dear; sorry! The way they use URLs on that site is a bit odd. The reason I changed the was, when you put the original URL in, it was redirected to a different address, so I figured it was better to put the 'real' adderss in. The 'redirect' was thrown up by the FA cite checking tool. I did the change by manally visiting each on e(as flagged up in that tool) and getting the 'true' URL.

I see now that the URLs have stopped working. It's possible that the long URL has some kind of session data in it, specific to the visiting machine.

I also see that, if I use the old URL (from the diff you provided) the page has another link at the bottom, which it says, "To bookmark this article, right-click on the link below..." - I think, maybe, that would be the better link to use? Does this work for you?

I also see, now I look harder, that the ref to that first one (for example) doesn't give the date of the actual article - nor does that online source. That might be a problem for FA. I wonder if, in some cases, it might be possible to find the article via the newspapers' own website, and use that?

I don't know of a quick way to put the old versions back, no - apart from manual. I'm quite happy to do that, if you want me to.

Once again, sincere apologies; let me know what I can do to rectify it. The edits were with the best of intentions.

--  Chzz  ►  15:01, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Please revert back to the permalinks from the bottom of the page rather than the URL that it redirects you to.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks Chzz. I sure will read the policies, before I proceed. Thanks again!

(Above unsigned message was 18:22, 8 March 2009 Alicia Weeder (talk)

User:RickeyGoodling

Hello Chzz, Thank you for responding to my help call! My apologies for logging off so quickly. I have attempted to contact User:RickeyGoodling on her talk page regarding her edits to articles related to Kyle Justin/Kyle Lime. I disagreed with her edits and wanted to come to some sort of consensus as we've edited them back and forth. I felt that she made several edits out of bad faith, removing necessary information, including removing links to other wiki articles. Is there anything further I can do as she has continued edits without contacting me back? The user is also using the name "RickeyGoodling", who is a former bandmember of Kyle Justin/Kyle Lime in Scarling (aliases Rickey Goodling/Rickey Lime), and edited articles related to Rickey Lime, Scarling, and Jessicka when I know that it isn't Rickey. Is there a way to get this person to essential stop parading around as Rickey? Is there someone she can contact? This is a sidenote to the edits. There is a history for what I initial said on these user's talk pages: Katr67, as well as mine and User:RickeyGoodling. (Sure you want to delve into this mess?) :) This user has edited various articles repeatedly under several IP address aliases (all California IP's). It's basically continual edits that I feel are sometimes almost vandalism, without being OVERLY protective of the article. Thanks so much, I look forward to your reply. Mark William 02:31, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

(Reinstating auto-generated signature --  Chzz  ►  19:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Godblessyrblackheart (talk • contribs) )

Summarising the situation

user:Godblessyrblackheart

• Disagrees with some of the edits User:RickeyGoodling has made to Kyle Justin and other related articles.
• has tried to contact User talk:RickeyGoodling (27 Feb and 11 Mar) to discuss, but had no response.
• has reverted some of the edits, but is trying to avoid an edit war.
• suspects that User:RickeyGoodling is not the real "Rickey Goodling" (born Rickey Lime, fellow bandmember with Kyle Justin in the group Scarling)
• is concerned by identical/similar anonymous edits - User:69.239.112.1, User:69.230.175.21, User:69.230.163.107, User:69.238.51.117.

User:Katr67 has tried to help.

RickeyGoodling joined wikipedia on 25 February 2009, and has ONLY edited in mainspace (67 edits), zero contributions to talk or userspace.[1] There is no user page. No email address is registered on the account. Their edits indicate a good knowledge of WP - use of redirects, knowledge of 'peacock' etc - within days of the account being created.

As User:Katr67 pointed out, they appear to be good faith edits, although there may be issues of WP:COI, WP:OR, and/or WP:CITE.

The problem remains, that some of the edits to articles are disputed. user:Godblessyrblackheart has tried to resolve this according to policy, but User talk:RickeyGoodling has not made any response to attempts to contact him/her, and continues to make edits.

--  Chzz  ►  21:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

{{adminhelp}} I'm trying to help resolve the above (Summarising the situation), and I'd appreciate your suggestions on how to proceed. Thanks. --  Chzz  ►  22:06, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Have a look at WP:DR. Take your pick. //roux   22:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I read WP:DR earlier; unfortunately, I can't see any recommended action for a user who does not acknowledge any requests to discuss, or respond in any way. The only policy action I can see would be an account block, per WP:REALNAME. --  Chzz  ►  22:16, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

In that case, WP:AN/I is where you want to go. //roux   22:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks for your input, I will take it over to ANI. think it's WP:UFA, I try that. --  Chzz  ►  22:26, 12 March 2009 (UTC) EDIT --  Chzz  ►  22:30, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Actions

Following WP:REALNAME, I logged a request on the Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention. Administrator ImperatorExercitus has put a firm respond or you'll be blocked message on User talk:RickeyGoodling. We will wait for a reasonable period 24 hours for a response. --  Chzz  ►  23:24, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey  Chzz  ► , I replied to your message on my talk page! P.S. Does my new signature show up okay?  ;) //  Godblessyrblackheart  talk  01:32, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

• 03:45, 15 March 2009 I moved the UAA back from the holding pen to the requests
• 05:40, 15 March 2009 It was moved back to the holding pen by another user.

User does not appear to have logged in yet, so waiting a little longer. --  Chzz  ►  13:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

• User logged on and edited from 18:41, 16 March 2009 to 19:14, 16 March 2009, similar edits, did not respond to any talk requests. Moved UAA back from holding pen and asked for admin action --  Chzz  ►  00:33, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I replied to your message regarding this matter on my talk page.  :) –  Godblessyrblackheart  (talk)  05:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

• 1. 17:02, 17 March 2009 Mangojuice (talk | contribs) blocked RickeyGoodling (talk | contribs) (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Potential impersonation of Rickey Goodling) --  Chzz  ►  12:50, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I replied to your latest message on my talk page. –  Godblessyrblackheart  (talk)  02:09, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it's obvious that our friend RickeyGoodling is back making the same edits under a similar IP. I wrote about this on my talk page. Where do I go from here? –  Godblessyrblackheart  (talk)  16:13, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I replied to User:MangoJuice on my talk page. I thought you might like to see it. If I'm putting these messages in the wrong spot, please let me know. I'm not sure if I should start a new section for this. (?) –  Godblessyrblackheart  (talk)  23:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey Chzz, the user is back at it again. I left a message for you again on my talk page. Thanks again for everything you've done to help. It's really appreciated. –  Godblessyrblackheart  (talk)  18:37, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Continued sockpuppets?

(new section to differentiate new concern)

Hey Chzz, please read my talk. I received an odd message from someone saying they are Christian Hejnal from Scarling. He says he is "re-introducing" himself to me, so he says. This reeks of conflict of interest, does it not? With what he said about my "issues" with certain articles, I haven't had any issues with any of the articles he mentions. The issues I have only deal with Kyle Justin, Skeleteen, TC Smith, and the removal of information regarding previous bandmates from the Scarling article and template. And, these issues are stressed on the talk pages of the users that made the edits. So, obviously this user is aware of these messages. Is this a never ending sock-puppet, or what? And, in regards to the third-party interview he mentioned, I imagine that "getting some things straight" has to do with the continued removal and dumbing-down of the articles I've created or of information I've added, re-added, undone, etc to articles by the plethora of users. Kind of like saying "we're doing an interview for Wikipedia," right? That in itself is conflict of interest, correct? I suppose we'll just wait to see what happens with this one. Like you said, it'll all come out in the wash. (BUT, I think we may need some bleach!)  ;) –  Godblessyrblackheart  (talk)  02:49, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

P.S. What a coincidence that this happens immediately after you leave a "reply or be blocked" notice on User talk:69.239.114.107, right? Jeez... –  Godblessyrblackheart  (talk)  02:49, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

P.P.S. And now, User:Xtian1313 is contacting every person I've ever talked to (throughout the time I've created profiles on Wikipedia). Again, odd. They have left messages on the talk pages of every user on my own talk page. I'll let you deal with this one...

They speak of mudslinging on your talk below. I have not seen any mudslinging, have you? –  Godblessyrblackheart  (talk)  03:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Given the apparent patterns of potential socks, misuse of a living person's name (that is, the Rickey Goodling issue), and general timing, would this be an appropriate case to request a checkuser? Snuppy 13:43, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Help Requested

I checked Google Translate and it didn't have anything for Volapük. :( - NeutralHomer • Talk • March 16, 2009 @ 06:58

8...wow. My main concern though is the email came to my personal email account and it uses my username. If it happened because I use the global log-in function, then I have nothing to worry about, but it kinda freaks me out. - NeutralHomer • Talk • March 16, 2009 @ 07:13

I'll be damned...you are right. Got an account on the Japanese wiki too...and I have never been there. OK, crisis everted :) Thanks for your help :) - NeutralHomer • Talk • March 16, 2009 @ 07:25

Must have done a mass send out of emails. Good to know that I am not the only one who got one. Thanks for the update. - NeutralHomer • Talk • March 16, 2009 @ 09:28

thank you for your kindness

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Much appreciated!--Annadoctor (talk) 05:47, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

thank you for your comment

Dear Chzz, thank you for your time and comment to my article: User talk:Sergeyl1984/Levi9, actually I'm not directly associated with that company, and I appreciate your feedback. Can I finish that article by correcting all mistakes you mention?

(Sergeyl1984 (talk) 14:30, 19 March 2009 (UTC))

Phorm

I have no objection to the first section being summarized and added to the comments already in the article by Tim Berniers Lee. Darrenhusted (talk) 22:51, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the help with this Chzz - what's the next step?

--  Silver123456789  ►  21:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I have added this and I would value your opinion on how to proceed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Phorm#10_Downing_Street_Petition

--  Silver123456789  ►  22:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

2 logins

I forgot the password to the first one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Legalthis2 (talk • contribs) 03:21, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Links for you

On my talk page; thank you, sir. Ks64q2 (talk) 06:16, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: f*ink

Hi. In this edit, it appears though an article talk page has been mistaken for a user talk page. The user requesting help is Cargill208, although they mistakenly put a help request within the article. Taroaldo (talk) 06:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi! Yes I'm looking for guidance and good luck, Can you please look at f*INK and tell me what you think? I don't want to burden the page with too much info, yet other editors are urging me to justify its existance with references. Many thanks! :Cargill208 (talk) 00:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Club Mahindra Holidays

Hi!

I didn't create this article, and I agree it either is, or tends to quickly become, spammy, but I'm not convinced I agree that the subject is non-notable. From what I can gather (and my involvement is admittedly just through weeding out spam) the organisation is India's first time-share company (which seems notable enough) and has also attracted a great deal of criticism (which would also seem notable). Most of the refs seem decent enough, too.

Since I didn't create the article I haven't added a {{hangon}} tag, and I'm unsure how to contest the speedy except by contacting you - apologies if that isn't the right way to go about it. I'm open to discussion and can certainly be persuaded that the article needs to be binned - I'm just not sure I'm of that view yet.

Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 15:08, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't very clear! You didn't tag my talk page; I saw the speedy tag on the article itself and decided to contact you. You've not done anything wrong! (when I said that I hadn't created the article I didn't mean to imply that you thought I had - I merely meant that since I wasn't the creator I didn't feel comforatble adding a {{hangon}} tag). I am, however, still concerned about the speedy - I do think the subject has notability outside mere spam. Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 16:11, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah, it's kind of moot anyway: a third-party has declined the speedy. Regardless, I'll keep an eye on it and try and keep it spam-free. Sorry for bogging you down in this confusion! Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 16:14, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Sounds more than reasonable - I'll try and have a fix-up over the weekend or early next week. I'm not totally attached to the article, and think that an AfD may be a positive step for it - if for no other reason than it'll draw some attention to it and may draw out more detail and better refs. Thanks for putting up with me during this! Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 16:35, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Image permission problem with Image:Electrocatalyst.jpg

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battery is dead

hi im off to bed phones died —Preceding unsigned comment added by LooseheadNo1 (talk • contribs) 01:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Asset-Backed Commercial Paper Money Market Mutual Fund Liquidity Facility

Might be worthwhile looking up google for the term before submitting to CSD. This takes you to the following Federal Reserve page on the ABCPMMMF. - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) ^talk 01:37, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Notability of Lee wardlaw

A tag has been placed on Lee wardlaw requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Mhking (talk) 03:54, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

In case you didn't notice...

This popped up on NewPages. ∗ \ / (⁂) 08:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

God as the Devil

Hi Chzz,

Thanks for your feedback. I've posted follow-up.

WagePeace (talk) 16:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Chzz, I've posted a response to your comment about "sequel" on my talk page. -- WagePeace (talk) 18:58, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Chzz, you said on the article's talk page, "please discuss suggestions for change here, and reach a consensus before changing the article." Now Tiavo has come back and again removed the entire section of Biblical citations on his own, without discussion of the matter by others. I think I should put it back in again and let others comment about it. He has pointed out my inexperience, and he is right about that. I don't want to get into a cat fight with him. Does he have the authority to decimating the central content of the article on his own say so? -- WagePeace (talk) 22:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I suggest you copy it, and place it in your own user area. Everyone will be able to see it there, and to discuss it. I know it's a natural reaction to put it straight back, but try to resist; discuss, reach consensus, and then act. It doesn't matter if it takes a little while.

To create a sub-area, just go to, for example, User:WagePeace/bible (or whatever).

Hope this helps --  Chzz  ►  23:12, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I thought it would make more sense to leave the material in the article while people discuss whether it should be removed or not. Does the person making a deletion get priority in a disagreement like this so that the material remains removed while discussion takes place?

If I follow your suggestion, I would at least like to put something in the article that advises readers that there is content that has been removed from the article and is under dispute regarding its reinstatement and provides a link to see that content, such as at a subpage as you suggest. Can I do that? -- WagePeace (talk) 23:22, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I know it may seem unfair, but, if you reinstate the edits, it may start an edit war. Please read that link carefully. I would strongly suggest that you don't change the article until a consensus has been agreed. It's not appropriate to write anything in the article, as you suggest; think of it like a book encyclopaedia. They wouldn't write, "there should be another chapter in here, but we're still discussing it". The consensus process really does work, extremely well. Be a little patient, avoid arguments, be extremely polite (even in the face of provocation), discuss things. If others take action that contravenes policy, do not retaliate. I hope this makes sense? --  Chzz  ►  23:39, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I hear you, and I want to handle this in the appropriate fashion. Thanks for the Edit war link, which I did read carefully. Let me reiterate a question asked above: Does the person making a deletion get priority in a disagreement like this so that the material remains removed while discussion takes place? -- WagePeace (talk) 00:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, I'm sincerely grateful that you're being so patient in this matter. I have great sympathy for the way you feel, from experience; perhaps a brief recap will illustrate. An article had been in Wikipedia for years, with no problems. Suddenly, attention was called to one thing in the article; it was removed, replaced, etc etc. An edit war ensued involving several editors; the article was then protected - meaning that no-one was able to change it, until a consensus was formed. Of course, it was protected in the "wrong version". I was extremely annoyed by this; I made repeated demands that this miscarriage of justice should not continue for a moment longer. People would be looking at the page and seeing content which was not what the consensus approved of. I appealed in all ways possible, but to no avail. After a few days, it was clear that the vast majority agreed the original should be reinstated; the protection was removed and this was done. In hindsight, I realise the futility of my battle; it's necessary to see the bigger picture. The article on "God as the devil" has not existed for the past 8 years of Wikipedia's existence; I'm confident that it will exist, in one form or another, for many years to come. Therefore, it really doesn't matter if part of it is removed for a few days - as unjust as it may seem. This was a hard lesson for me to learn, and I urge you not to follow in my footsteps; I lost considerable credibility within the community over that issue.

Now - I have attempted to rustle up the opinions of a few other contributors, to widen the discussion. I hope we can get some input from others, and come to a decision. This may take a few days; perhaps a week. If there is no clear consensus after that, then we can follow dispute resolution policy.

I hope that you will be understanding in this matter. Best wishes, --  Chzz  ►  01:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Cuckoo!

Hey, if you ever see other people's page's why do they have stars? Are they awards or they just put them on their pages. Also, how can i get involved on wikipedia projects. Lol

Darkspartan4121 Unsigned; 18:27, 22 March 2009 Darkspartan4121 (talk)

don't worry i have the hostage!

Here is some information about awards. The best thing would be, just get involved in editing; before long someone will give you an award.

To get involved in projects and things, the best place to start might be the community portal.

--  Chzz  ►  23:22, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

please check again

Dear Chzz, sorry for my persistence, I need your help again :) When you'll have some time please look at the modified page of User:Sergeyl1984/Levi9, I appreciate your help very much. (Sergeyl1984 (talk) 09:31, 23 March 2009 (UTC))

Hot-tempered writer learns humility

Hi-- I saw and appreciated your note in my Talk area, and am responding exactly for that purpose.

But please understand, it seemed that my contributions and proper edits were being attacked. I myself was accused for removing some inappropriate quotes from a page dealing with subjects I happen to know better than almost anyone. Things were being wiped away, and it also seems that anyone can attack me in a sort of personal way. Yet I can write nothing in my defense.

So, I admit that I can be passionate, a hot-head, I do not think a writer who is otherwise is being honest with himself. But I ask you respectfully, let me know what exactly it is that seems like a "personal attack". I am here to attack NO ONE.

Somehow my work here was being "shadowed" by someone and I know this because I used to revisit pages I had edited... some of them were pages I had created. Being ill, I sometimes lose my way in adding reference notes, citations, etc. Well, I try.

Also, please know that the site has changed a great deal, with this shadow of fascist censoring and stuffed-shirt niggling about references and citations. Of course I credit everything where necessary and add links. You should look carefully at my Talk page and see what has been written to me. Aside from the first message, which I understand completely, but they did not want to understand me... well, I'm too sensitive I suppose.

I read what the Wikihounds did to my colleague, Peter Kurth. I will not contribute again, but from a friendly offer like yours, I would like to learn what I've been "doing wrongly".

Sincerely Most Rev. Antonio Hernandez User RevAntonio Unsigned - 10:49, 23 March 2009 RevAntonio (talk) --  Chzz  ►  12:39, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi there,

I don't think you've done anything terribly wrong; we all make mistakes, and the only reason for my sessage was to try to help diffuse the situation.

I don't want to spend time picking over the bones, unless you think it would be constructive. From a quick look, I'd say that comments such as, "Have you seen this clown, F*******w" (name removed) would be construed as a 'personal attack'. It's not the worst I've seen by a very long way, and I only use it for illustration. In the medium of on-line communication, it's all too hard to be clear our intents, and we must all be extra-careful. I don't want to direct you to a long list of policy, etc, but I ask you to read the simplified ruleset, to further clarify what 'we' are all about.

Note the use of the 'we' in all of the above; I think, with all due respect, you're forgetting that Wikipedia is entirely made up of you, me, and millions of other volunteers. OK, there's good and bad, but there are very well-thought-out procedures for dealing with transgressions. What's more, those 'procedures' have been written by us, and can be changed by us at any time. If you feel the 'system' is wrong, you can change it. This might sound facetious, but it's not; it really does happen, all the time. We're not all a "stinking swamp of snobs", honestly :-)

It's difficult to apply spiritual ideals to everyday life; but we must all strive to use right thought, right action, right speech etc. Opinion is changable. Don't take attack personally, there is no self - these people may be holding onto an opinion, so feel compassion for them, because you know, as a Buddhist, that opinions grow and change, and nothing remains constant.

I'm genuinely disappointed that you indicate you don't want to participate further. I urge you to reconsider. I'm prepared to go to any lengths, to keep you on-board. I sincerely hope that you will continue to contribute, and I'd be more than happy to advise you on best practices, etc - including the tricky issue of dealing with complaints and criticisms.

Therefore, I hope to hear from you again. Good luck, in whatever you decide, --  Chzz  ►  15:54, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Chzz!

Chezz,

Thanks for your message. Have a question - can we change the sequence of an article? such as .44_Henry? earlier there was the cartridge's details followed by the developer. I changed it to developer first then into the details. Let me know, if I did it right. And, have also added subheads. Need your guidance. Thanks again. Thendral (talk) 12:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

(Ref. this edit)

Well, from a quick look, it certainly looks better than before, so that's a good thing :-) A couple of comments, for your information;

• The WP:lede should be a summary, and shouldn't contain anything that isn't covered in more detail within the article itself.
• Those sections are a bit short; if they cannot be expanded, it might be worth considering merging them, or using a sub-subsection(s)

I'm only making those comments FYI; it was a very good edit, so I'd advise you to carry on as you are. Don't worry, be BOLD ! --  Chzz  ►  13:50, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

User:Sergeyl1984/Levi9

Hi Chzz, thank you for the reply. I appreciate your feedback as to how I can manage this situation. The matter is that the Levi9 company is one of the few representatives of Nearshore movement in Europe, we work on several blogs about Nearshore Outsourcing with them, and its worth to pay attention. At the moment we have only Latin American companies represented in this particular topic, I think this is not right. I clearly understand your position and very appreciate your advices, but at the moment I don't know anyone who can contribute in this shperes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergeyl1984 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Uh...

...how do I go about moving the image to Commons? Is there a guide of some kind? Cheers—S Marshall ^Talk/_Cont 16:13, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Never mind, I solved it. Wow, that's a pain in the neck to do...—S Marshall ^Talk/_Cont 17:59, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of File:Electrocatalyst.jpg

A tag has been placed on File:Electrocatalyst.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section I3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image licensed as "for non-commercial use only," "non-derivative use" or "used with permission," it has not been shown to comply with the limited standards for the use of non-free content. [2], and it was either uploaded on or after 2005-05-19, or is not used in any articles. If you agree with the deletion, there is no need to do anything. If, however, you believe that this image may be retained on Wikipedia under one of the permitted conditions then:

• state clearly the source of the image. If it has been copied from elsewhere on the web you should provide links to: the image itself, the page which uses it and the page which contains the license conditions.
• add the relevant copyright tag.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you.  Chzz  ►  16:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Autoconfirmation

I have been a user for four days and have made almost 20 edits, how do I know if I am autoconfirmed? --Thenachoman 22:18, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

WikiLove

WhiteHandofSauramon (talk) haz givn u Cheezburgr! Cheezburgrs promot WikiLovez and hoapfuly thiz one haz made yore day bettr. Spreadd teh WikiLovez by givin sumone else Cheezburgr, whethr it be sumeone youz hav had disagreementz with in teh past or a gud frend. Hapy munchins!

Spredd teh goudnesz of Cheezburgerz to all lolcat buddiez by addin {{subst:Cheezburgr}} to their talk puj with friendly messuj to all.

--WhiteHandofSauramon (talk) 00:23, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me out, this is my first day and I have absolutely nothing about editing Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by WhiteHandofSauramon (talk • contribs) 00:24, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Convicted and convinced

Greetings Chzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Your kind words and a very happy recovery from an infection that was making me crazy have conspired to move me to keep at Wikipedia, after all.

The Buddha teaches us that a man who can control his anger is like a man who can steer a chariot drawn by 10,000 elephants. Imagine what he knew about frustration and over-sensitivity!

And anyway, I've always been a snob myself. And I live in a stinking swamp. ;)

Let it be known, anything written here will be edited mercilessly. [A joke, of course. Recognize the phrase?]

Yours, RevAntonio (talk) 03:30, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Re. email

No worries Chzz. And thanks, now I corrected it to Aesop's fables. And, I'm searching for the illustrations done by a Russian artist called Romadin. They are fantastic (I have an old book with the stories and his illustrations, titled 'Aesop's Fables' and the publisher, Raduga Publications, Moscow). But I do not find it in the Internet. Do you know about this artist? Thendral (talk) 09:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Michael Romadin / Romadin, Mikhail Nikolayevich

That's fantastic Chzz. Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thendral Muthusami (talk • contribs) 08:19, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

---

Chzz you are amazing! I'm so happy to see Romadin in Romadin's own page. Meanwhile I also spoke to my Russian friend in Moscow, and he is also willing to contribute to this article. We can seek his help in translating the pages.
And, that's a happy news - we can use his illustration under the license. Let me scan those and upload. Thank you very much again. It's a book that my father bought in 1978. And it has been my Bible. I love the book for the stories and Romadin's illustrations. You should see them. They transport you to a different world.
And, by the way, the Aesop's fables that I'm talking about is the one of Leo Tolstoy - his version. It is special in it's own way that there is no moral conclusion in the stories. They are open - each story presents a slice of life and it's upto the reader to conclude or not to conclude anything from it. I want to add some of those to Leo Tolstoy or Aesop's Fables page itself. What do you think?

Thendral (talk) 12:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Tanna japonensis

On March 24, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tanna japonensis, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 12:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

When Tanna japonensis was on the main page it got over 5,000 views, making it one of the page view leaders for March 2009; it's now listed here. Congratulations! rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:13, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

References

Hi Chzz,

Now I'm confused. You referred me to a user this morning, When I checked out her contributions, I at first thought that she had written the God_(male_deity) article, and I started writing a message to her about doing research to cite references and said the article is likely to disappear soon if she doesn't do that. Then I went to the talk page of the article and noticed that it's been around since 2005, and then I noticed that the "Unreferenced" tag has been on it for over a year. Should this article be deleted?

Please understand, it's not that I disagree with the content. I don't have any problem with an article on this subject being here. I just thought we had a requirement that articles cite references.

Thanks.

WagePeace (talk) 17:58, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Helpme

Hello, Chzz. You have new messages at WhiteHandofSauramon's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Disambiguation needed on Tanna japonensis

Thanks for creating this excellent article. I have a request for a disambiguation. The sound file points its location to Kawasaki, which is a disambiguation page pointing to several possible locations in Japan. Do you know which is the correct one? You don't appear to be uploader on Commons, but perhaps you know anyway. -Lilac Soul ^{(talk • contribs • count) • I'm watching this page so just reply to me right here!} 19:53, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out; I've fixed it. It's in Kawasaki,_Kanagawa, which is half-way between Tokyo and Yokohama. I used to live near it :-) --  Chzz  ►  21:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

 Done

I Am Bob the VI unblocked

I've gone ahead and unblocked I Am Bob the VI - Assuming Good Faith, I hope I haven't done the wrong thing! I'll be keeping an eye on him, as, I'm sure will you. Regards Tonywalton ^Talk 20:33, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

My info: I Am Bob the VI (talk · contribs) --  Chzz  ►  21:42, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for your response. I will pursue it. If you have the time though, could you possibly look over the situation? Will in China (talk) 21:48, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Of course I am happy to give any help that I can. I don't feel able to make a specific comment on your dispute, as it concerns an area with which I am unfamiliar. I have read through the discussion so far, and I believe that if you follow the suggestions in WP:DISPUTE, the situation can be resolved, in time. The procedures also detail what to do in the even of a deadlock etc, all the way up to the blocking of accounts for disruptive editing.

The basic rule is - discuss, don't revert/change things until consensus has been reached even if others do not play by those rules. If another user makes a change in opposition to consensus, revert it and ask them (politely) not to do it again. If they continue, request that their account is blocked. And so on.

Make sure that you yourself do not fall foul of the WP:3RR policy.

If I can be of any further specific assistance, e.g. in enforcing policy etc, then please ask me on my talk.

Good luck with coming to a consensus. I will try to 'keep an eye' on the progress. --  Chzz  ►  22:05, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I found the "Editor Assistance" program which looks promising. Didn't even know such a thing existed. I thought the only recourse might be some sort of formal mediation which seemed daunting to me. Will in China (talk) 22:07, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry!

Sorry about that, I just found out about those, so I was trying them out.--WhiteHandofSauramon (talk) 22:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

		The Guidance Barnstar
		I just wanted to say thanks for all the help you have given me. I feel you deserve this. WhiteHandofSauramon (talk) 22:57, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

{{Talkback}}|WhiteHandofSauramon {{Talkback}}|WhiteHandofSauramon

Being Bold.

Hi Chzz, I'm being bold and introducing myself. My name is Christian Hejnal and I play in a band called Scarling. with my wife Jessicka. I just wanted to put it out there that if you had any issues with any pages related to my wife, my band, our roommate Lisa Leveridge, my co-worker Rickey Goodling or myself, please don't hesitate to come to me directly. I am happy to be of any help.

I am new to wikipedia and currently trying to get familiar with all the rules and protocol here. I believe whole heartily in a neutral stance but also would like things written about any of the previously mentioned pages to be 100% factual. I'm about to do an interview with a third party publication to set some things straight. Until then I just wanted to introduce myself because I plan on sticking around awhile.

=)

Xtian1313 (talk) 01:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks very much for making contact. Being bold is good!

I'd be very happy to help you with any problems you have on Wikipedia.

I think it's only fair to say, immediately, that you need to be very cautious about conflict of interest issues; in brief, don't edit any articles relating to you, your wife, the band etc. Instead, suggest changes in the associated talk page, making it clear who you are. If you stick to that, you'll be fine. Please carefully read WP:COI and WP:BESTCOI.

You may or may not be aware that there has been a bit of dispute over some edits to the articles; however, I feel that the matter has now been resolved. One account has been blocked, and the other users involved seem extremely keen to cooperate in consensus building project.

Apologies for flooding a new user with lots of 'policy' etc; but it's best to be clear. The policies, as with everything on Wikipedia, have been agreed by all contributors, and work well. When they don't work, we can change them - and "we" includes you, of course. We're all equal on here.

Some of the policies might seem confusing or odd to you at first, so if you're ever unsure, just ask for help. There's lots of people prepared to give you a hand. For example, even if your date of birth was wrong on the article about you, you couldn't change it - unless the information could be verified from a reliable, secondary source information, such as a national newspaper interview that stated the DOB. Seems a bit odd, but consider that I can't *prove* that you are who you say you are, and I can't assume anything.

So - be bold, stick to the rules, and you'll do just fine!

Once again, welcome to Wikipedia, and I look forward to helping you out in any way I can.

--  Chzz  ►  02:20, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I am learning as I go. I appreciate the heads up. I've noticed there's been a little unnecessary mud slinging in my wife's direction by a disgruntled person. =/ But as I said once my third party interview goes up I believe all will be set right. I am who I say I am. But I understand any skepticism. I'll look at the policies you posted now.

Thanks again, Xtian1313 (talk) 02:45, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Quick question

OK, just to clarify here. "I think it's only fair to say, immediately, that you need to be very cautious about conflict of interest issues; in brief, don't edit any articles relating to you, your wife, the band etc. Instead, suggest changes in the associated talk page, making it clear who you are. If you stick to that, you'll be fine. Please carefully read WP:COI and WP:BESTCOI."

(Understand) I'm not being confrontational -more confused? Why is ok for User:Godblessyrblackheart‎ to create the page Kyle Justin? or Skeleteen? He's in Kyle's band and lives with him.

I just want the rules to apply to everybody, I'm not here to start trouble. I just want fairness and neutrality.

Thanks in advance for being patient with me, Xtian1313 (talk) 03:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I am not in the band, Xtian1313. It's not safe to assume anything on Wikipedia, other than good faith. That's something I learned quickly as a new user. I imagine you may learn that, as well. –  Godblessyrblackheart  (talk)  04:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

A reply to both of you; the same rules certainly do apply to everyone. As far as I am aware, USer:Godblessyrblackheart has no conflict of interest with the articles; if they do, I ask them to declare it just as you have. Because of the disputed nature of these articles, I'm asking all users to discuss changes on the talk page and reach a consensus before making them. If a consensus cannot be reached, see the dispute policy.

Everything will go smoothly if you both follow the guidelines. If you're unsure of the guidelines, please ask for help.

Both of you, please assume good faith. Make no assumptions.t]]

Thanks, --  Chzz  ►  11:09, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Understood!

There are several talk sections here on wikipedia where my wife Jessicka is been falsely accused of vandalism by said user user:Godblessyrblackheart aka Matthew Eilers member of the band [[Skeleteen]. He was once a fan of our band Scarling. but that soured once we got rid of his band mate Kyle. I am asking you as a neutral third party to investigate my claims and see what "talk" links to my wife Jessicka and you will see what I mean. In doing this, user:Godblessyrblackheart is protecting his band mate Kyle Justin. He created his page and his band's page. I have not created any pages I have previously mentioned. You will see that most of what he is referring to isn't vandalism, it's others having a difference of opinion on what role Kyle played in Scarling. They did not understand the rules of wikipedia and they did not understand "talk pages". I myself had to have a long read on the rules before even introducing myself here. I assure you, user:Godblessyrblackheart aka Matthew Eilers has a personal interest in trying to discredit my wife, myself, our friends, and our band. I'm being 100% open and honest here. He is not being truthful.

This is me asking for your help! I am normally a very chilled out individual but this slander has truly gone too far. As I told user:Rodhullandemu "Basically, we had Kyle sign a leaving member agreement. He was never an actual member of Scarling. It's the only one I've ever had to have anybody sign because he has some axe to grind with my wife and myself. He is not a stable person.

You'll notice most of the pages that link to Kyle Justin are Scarling. related.

Also told to user:Rodhullandemu "Our friends and ex band members have tried to correct his page ( not vandalizing it in anyway- but clearly not knowing the rules of wikipedia) He's now using a blog where he basically slanders us as a reliable third-party publications /source. I've done all I can outside of wikipedia. I've sent him several letters via email. No response. I've contacted myspace, who is in the process of reviewing/removing his myspace page. I've contacted my lawyers in order to review the leaving agreement he signed 5 years ago. I've contacted his ex band mate Mia who will serve as a witness that he did indeed sign this legal document, knowing what it meant"

I know this sounds like a big convoluted mess, but I have to go this route in order to clear things up. I want wikipedia to be neutral, fair, and factual for everybody involved.

I appreciate you even taking the time to review what I have said. This matter is important to me me. If you still have any doubts about who I say I am, please feel free to email me at [email protected]. ( listed on our myspace & webpage) It's a public email address where only band members answer email. I assure, I will answer you.

Chzz -again, I know this is not your job to do this, so I appreciate any help you can provide. He seems like you play by the rules and I am hoping you'll see what I mean. And in the spirit of Star Wars and in order to lighten this very dark post, I say this, "Help Me, Obi-Chzz Kenobi, You're My Only hope!" Thanks in advance, Xtian1313 (talk) 16:54, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Club Mahindra Holidays

Hi Chzz

I'm sending this message to all editors who have edited the Club Mahindra article this year; hopefully it'll get some activity going and maybe build up a critical mass of activity to improve the article.

Incidentally, I just removed the "Criticism" section from the article - because it was empty! That doesn't bode well, given that current concern is that the article is little more than an advert... I've left a comment on the talk page that I'd welcome it being put back. It looks like in the past it may have been used as an attack on Club Mahindra, hence my points below about sourcing.

Anyway - here's my spam ;-)

Hi
Apologies for the "spam"; I'm writing to you and other editors because you have edited the Club Mahindra Holidays article recently.
Concern has been expressed that the article is too promotional and is about a non-notable subject. I do not necessarily agree with this, however I am concerned that unless these issues are addressed then the article may be deleted. I am therefore asking for your help in improving the article, and wish to make the following suggestions:

• The article should avoid being a promotional vehicle for Club Mahindra: the article should adhere to Wikipedia's policies of neutral point of view.
• The article should avoid being an attack on Club Mahindra: while some criticism is to be expected the article should not be an attack page.
• Positive and negative comments about Club Mahindra should be referenced by reliable sources such as major newspapers and business magazines.
• Controversial claims - either for or against Club Mahindra - should be discussed on the article's talk page.

Once again, apologies for disturbing you with this matter but I hope I can look forward to working with you on improving this article!
Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 10:11, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

All the best, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 10:11, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Sergeyl1984/Levi9

Dear Chzz,sorry for bothering you so often. Recently I spoke with User:Mgm, and he told me that Dutch references can be used either, so I appreciate your opinion as for this references.

• Emerce Magazine Offshoring Interview with Bernhard van Oranje, CEO of Levi9,(2005-11-11)[3]
• Computable Award CEO (2007-07-06)[4]
• Computable Outsourcing Panel (2008-11-21) [5]
• CIO of the Year 2008, Bernhard van Oranje in jury of the CIO of the Year Award (2008-10-7) [6]
• Computable Outsourcing Experts (2008-12-19) [7]

(Sergeyl1984 (talk) 11:32, 25 March 2009 (UTC))