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Edit request 1 December 2023

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Description of suggested change: The implied scope of the template is misleading regarding new pages. If a mainspace page requires this template because it is in a state of "being created", new page review norms point to the page requiring removal from mainspace instead. The remaining verbiage seems sufficient for all other use cases in draftspace as well as mainspace.

(I've also supplied a minor copy-editing tweak in my diff.)

Diff:

CE-less diff:

Remsense留 00:05, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Also note {{in creation}} exists. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 1 January 2024

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In other templates, the example of the template would be shown above the documentation, not in the documentation.

Changes to be made on the template page:

Move the beginning of the includeonly tag to start right before the last #ifeq. (insert between the }}{{)

Changes to be made on the doc page

Rusty4321 ^{talk contribs} 16:13, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done and you beat me to part 2! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:29, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 28 May 2024

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Add a parameter alias/equivalent to the "comment" param titled "reason" with the same function. Qwerty284651 (talk) 16:07, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 18 June 2024

Can we delete "If you are the editor who added this template and you are actively editing, please be sure to replace this template with "in use" during the active editing session. Click on the link for template parameters to use." .... 1. I am the editor who added it ... I don't need to be reminded of this advice every time I edit the article - and its of no interest to anyone else. 2. I never use the "in use" template and I see no reason why I need to see an advert for it or be instructed to do so by a template every time I come back to the article. It could just say "there is an "in use" template which anyone may use when editting this article". Victuallers (talk) 11:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Template-protected edit request on 7 May 2022 ==
+== Edit request 1 December 2023 ==
-{{edit template-protected|Template:Under construction|answered=yes}}
+{{Edit template-protected|answered=yes}}
-I have two changes for my edit request, and I'll explain each below:
+'''Description of suggested change:''' The implied scope of the template is misleading regarding new pages. If a mainspace page requires this template because it is in a state of "being created", new page review norms point to the page requiring removal from mainspace instead. The remaining verbiage seems sufficient for all other use cases in draftspace as well as mainspace.
-change <code>or is in the process of an expansion or major restructuring</code> to ---> <code>or is in the process of large or several expansions, or major restructuring</code>
+(I've also supplied a minor copy-editing tweak in my diff.)
-Just a '''few''' mild expansions (like adding detail to existing info, a few sentences in the same section in, etc.) wouldn't be enough significant to much need placing a notice and cautioning other editors, so this is a clarification for that.
-change <code>please remove this template.</code> to ---> <code>please {{#if:{{{alertinactive|}}}|notify and ask the editor who placed this template|remove this template}}.</code> (you can change the name of the parameter, but this is the one I settled on)
+'''Diff:'''
-Normally such hiatuses are unlikely in these situations but sometimes may, probably or even could be intended to happen. It isn't great when somebody takes it down because of inactivity and later the editing resumes suddenly (either they may not notice the template disappear, or an error pops up because of a new edit before them and they need to restart the large edit), either way, confusion could occur. Most are not like these types, but it will be handy to have a parameter.
+{{TextDiff|1=is being created, or is in the process of extensive expansion or major restructuring|2=is in a state of significant expansion or restructuring}}
+'''CE-less diff:'''
-If you oppose one edit but support another, you can still enact one of them. But hopefully you accept my proposal, but if not I'm still okay with that. Thank you, especially if you accept. [[User:Dawn PScLim|Dawn Lim]] ([[User talk:Dawn PScLim|talk]]) 08:50, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
+{{TextDiff|1=is being created, or is in the process of extensive expansion or major restructuring|2=is in the process of extensive expansion or major restructuring}}<span id="Remsense:1701389157030:Template_talkFTTCLNUnder_construction" class="FTTCmt">[[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">留</span>]] 00:05, 1 December 2023 (UTC)</span>
+: {{done}} Also note {{Tl|in creation}} exists. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 02:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
+== Template-protected edit request on 1 January 2024 ==
-:for the second change, I meant to type: change <code>please remove this template.</code> to --->  <code>please<nowiki>{{#if:{{{notify|}}}|notify the editor who placed this template before removing|remove}}</nowiki> this template.</code> , sorry did a big typo [[User:Dawn PScLim|Dawn Lim]] ([[User talk:Dawn PScLim|talk]]) 09:00, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
-::{{done}} with minor alterations. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&numsp;-&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>12:49, 7 May 2022 (UTC)</small>
+{{Edit template-protected|Template:Under construction|answered=yes}}
-== Template-protected edit request on 5 November 2022 ==
+In other templates, the example of the template would be shown ''above'' the documentation, not ''in'' the documentation.
+=== Changes to be made on the template page: ===
+Move the beginning of the <code>includeonly</code> tag to start right before the last <code>#ifeq</code>. (insert between the <code><nowiki>}}{{</nowiki></code>)
+=== Changes to be made on the doc page ===
-{{edit template-protected|Template:Under construction|answered=yes}}
+{{TextDiff
-Add a <code><nowiki>|subsection=</nowiki></code> when it needs to be used for a subsection instead of a section. [[User:Qwerty284651|Qwerty284651]] ([[User talk:Qwerty284651|talk]]) 19:55, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
+|1=<nowiki><!-- Categories go where indicated at the bottom of this page, please; interwikis go to Wikidata (see also: [[Wikipedia:Wikidata]]). -->
-:{{edited2}}. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&thinsp;,&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>23:08, 5 November 2022 (UTC)</small>
+'''''Example template:'''''
+{{Under construction|nocat=true}}
+----
+{{Twinkle standard installation}}
+{{Template shortcut|uc|UC}}
+== Usage ==</nowiki>
+|2=<nowiki><!-- Categories go where indicated at the bottom of this page, please; interwikis go to Wikidata (see also: [[Wikipedia:Wikidata]]). -->
+{{Twinkle standard installation}}
-== Edit request 14 February 2023 ==
+{{Template shortcut|uc|UC}}
+== Usage ==</nowiki>
+}} [[User:Rusty4321|<span style="background-color:#272;color:#ff0">'''Rusty4321'''</span>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Rusty4321|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/Rusty4321|contribs]]</sup> 16:13, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
+:{{done}}<!-- Template:ETp --> and you beat me to part 2! [[User:Firefangledfeathers|Firefangledfeathers]] ([[User talk:Firefangledfeathers|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers|contribs]]) 16:29, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
+== Edit request 28 May 2024 ==
-{{Edit template-protected|answered=yes}}
+{{Edit template-protected|answered=yes}}
-Add support for a parameter value equivalent for =true, and that is =yes. [[User:Qwerty284651|Qwerty284651]] ([[User talk:Qwerty284651|talk]]) 14:22, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
-'''Diff:'''
-{{TextDiff|1=<nowiki>|"any parameter"=true</nowiki>|2=<nowiki>|"any parameter"=yes</nowiki>}} [[User:Qwerty284651|Qwerty284651]] ([[User talk:Qwerty284651|talk]]) 14:22, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
-:{{not done}} please sync, then make your edit in [[Template:Under construction/sandbox|the sandbox]] and verify it is working; when ready reactivate the edit request above. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 15:27, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
+Add a parameter alias/equivalent to the "comment" param titled "reason" with the same function. [[User:Qwerty284651|Qwerty284651]] ([[User talk:Qwerty284651|talk]]) 16:07, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
-== hours vs. days ==
+: {{done}} [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 19:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
+==Edit request 18 June 2024==
-To make this formal:  please change "in several days" back to "in several hours".  Or perhaps better, change to "in a long time" and feel free to link to an essay ([[wp:howlongisalongtime]]?)  on what that means.
+Can we delete "If you are the editor who added this template and you are actively editing, please be sure to replace this template with "in use" during the active editing session. Click on the link for template parameters to use." .... 1. I am the editor who added it ... I don't need to be reminded of this advice every time I edit the article - and its of no interest to anyone else. 2. I never use the "in use" template and I see no reason why I need to see an advert for it or be instructed to do so ''by a template'' every time I come back to the article. It could just say "there is an "in use" template which anyone may use when editting this article". [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 11:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
-I was referred to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AUnder_construction&diff=1075244727&oldid=1038702529 this edit by ''User:JBW'' with edit summary "Boldly changing message about removing the template after a while. The idea that it's acceptable to leave this tag in place and then go off and leave it for several days is absurd. If you believe there are good reasons for doing so, please feel welcome to revert and start a discussion about it, in which case I will be grateful if you will let me know.)"]].  That edit changed the word "days" to "hours".  I personally believe that policy on articles "under construction" is not one size fits all, and naturally depends on the history and breadth of public exposure.
-The editor referring me to this believed the edit did relate to some discussion somewhere, parts unknown. --Doncram ([[user talk:Doncram|talk]],[[Special:Contributions/Doncram|contribs]]) 10:14, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
-: The wording is currently "in several hours"; do you mean 'please change "in several hours"  back to "in several days" '? However, I do agree that "one size fits all" isn't a helpful approach, and there is a good case for more general wording, such as "in a long time", as you suggest. [[User:JBW|JBW]] ([[User talk:JBW|talk]]) 20:53, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
-: I think it should be returned to the original wording, "in several days".  "In a long time" leaves too much room for argument.  One editor might think that means 8 hours, while others may think it means a month.  And trust me, I've had that argument.  I do think, as I said in a discussion when this change was made, that there should be two different alternatives, which are served by the inuse and under construction tags.  One for when an editor is actively working on an article, the other for when an editor has found a topic they find notable, but might take a couple of days to develop it.  That's how I was using it prior to this change.[[User:onel5969|'''<span style="color:#536895;">Onel</span><span style="color:#ffb300;">5969</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Onel5969|<i style="color:blue">TT me</i>]]</sup> 11:59, 25 March 2023 (UTC)