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Under section 2.1 Genetics I propose the following addition:

A haplotype has been identified on the ASIP locus on chromosome 20 that is associated with red hair.^[1] The ASIP locus prevents the MC1R receptor from producing melanocyte-stimulating hormone. As a result, less eumelanin and more pheomelanin is produced. Pheomelanin has been linked to red hair and increased risk of skin damage due to UV light.

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^ Sturm, Richard (April 15, 2009). "Molecular genetics of human pigmentation diversity". Human Molecular Genetics. 18 (R1). doi:https://doi.org/10.1093/hmg/ddp003. Retrieved 25 September 2017. {{cite journal}}: Check |doi= value (help); External link in |doi= (help)
^ Nasti, Tahseen; Timares, Laura (7 Novemeber 2014). "MC1R, Eumelanin and Pheomelanin: Their Role in Determining the Susceptibility to Skin Cancer". Photochemistry and Photobiology. 91 (1). doi:10.1111/php.12335. Retrieved 29 September 2017. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

Some irish people say irish have red hair because of the vikings?

I have heard some irish people say that some irish people have red or blonde hair because of the Germanic invasion(Vikings) of Ireland. Why do irish people say this?

Medieval antisemitism

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The medieval prejudice against red-hair may have derived from the Ancient biblical tradition, in relation to biblical figures such as Esau and King David.

is unsourced and it is contraddicted by the Bible. 1 Samuel 16:1–13 affirms king David "was ruddy, with bright eyes, and good-looking." King David has been proclaimed saint for all the Christian Churches whi veretate the saints: his being ruddy couldn't have arisen any prejudice against rutilism.

Are you sure we should show a picture of a happy Uyghur girl in Xinjiang?

I mean, China treats Uyghurs in Xinjiang terribly, putting them in concentration camps, so it may be problematic to show a picture of a happy Uyghur girl in Xinjiang, otherwise, it may downplay the human rights abuses that China does to Uyghurs. 100.16.152.25 (talk) 22:25, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is no politically/socially perfect image. 331dot (talk) 22:27, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fake red hair description of Odegei Khan and Mukan Qhan inserted.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/YuanEmperorAlbumOgedeiPortrait.jpg/800px-YuanEmperorAlbumOgedeiPortrait.jpg

The source for this image edited by user:Hunan201p says "A portrait of a man with a light-colored beard and mustache and a turquoise cap." which could mean any color and it clearly shows brown color, just like it shows on the portrait. You clearly don't see anything red, it is clearly brown. Saying that beard is red is like saying blue is purple. But Hunan201p decided to edit it as reddish beard and mustache. Gemmaso (talk) 15:37, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The edit you described was made by JJnito, not me.[1] Ogedei's beard is obviously reddish.[2] The late 13th and 14th c. portraits of the Mongol khans and their wives often show them with rather light (hazel or greenish) eyes. For example, the 14th c. portrait of Ögedei Khan (1186-1241) clearly depicts him as having greenish blue eyes and a reddish (definitely light colored) mustache and beard. - Hunan201p (talk) 22:35, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is no description of Ashina Muqan Qaghan having red hair. At best he was described with colored clazes with red complexion (skin color obviously) and his own wikipedia lapis blue eyes which was again falsely edited by Hunan201p.

But the correct Chinese translations Zhoushu, vol. 50 ""狀貌多奇異，面廣尺餘，其色甚赤，眼若瑠璃。Gemmaso (talk) 16:50, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Sturm, Richard (April 15, 2009). "Molecular genetics of human pigmentation diversity". Human Molecular Genetics. 18 (R1). doi:https://doi.org/10.1093/hmg/ddp003. Retrieved 25 September 2017. {{cite journal}}: Check |doi= value (help); External link in |doi= (help)

[2] Nasti, Tahseen; Timares, Laura (7 Novemeber 2014). "MC1R, Eumelanin and Pheomelanin: Their Role in Determining the Susceptibility to Skin Cancer". Photochemistry and Photobiology. 91 (1). doi:10.1111/php.12335. Retrieved 29 September 2017. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

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 The source for this image edited by [[user:Hunan201p]] says "A portrait of a man with a light-colored beard and mustache and a turquoise cap." which could mean any color and it clearly shows brown color, just like it shows on the portrait. You clearly don't see anything red, it is clearly brown. Saying that beard is red is like saying blue is purple. But Hunan201p decided to edit it as reddish beard and mustache. [[User:Gemmaso|Gemmaso]] ([[User talk:Gemmaso|talk]]) 15:37, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
+:The edit you described was made by JJnito, not me.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Red_hair&diff=prev&oldid=1121482776] Ogedei's beard is obviously reddish.[https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=48160] {{tq|The late 13th and 14th c. portraits of the Mongol khans and their wives often show them with rather light (hazel or greenish) eyes.  For example, the 14th c. portrait of Ögedei Khan (1186-1241) clearly depicts him as having greenish blue eyes and a reddish (definitely light colored) mustache and beard.}} - [[User:Hunan201p|Hunan201p]] ([[User talk:Hunan201p|talk]]) 22:35, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 There is no description of Ashina [[Muqan Qaghan]] having red hair. At best he was described with colored clazes with red complexion (skin color obviously) and his own wikipedia lapis blue eyes which was again falsely edited by Hunan201p.