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==Rajput Mughal Alliance ==
==Rajput Mughal A
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+ Beginning in 1561, the Mughals actively engaged the Rajputs in warfare and diplomacy. <ref> Richards, John F. (1996). The Mughal Empire. Cambridge University Press. pp. 17–21. {{ISBN|978-0521566032}}. </ref>
+ Toward the end of the 16th century, the Mughal emperor Akbar entered into a series of alliances <ref> Imaging Sound: An Ethnomusicological Study of Music, Art, and Culture in Mughal India Bonnie C. Wade
+ University of Chicago Press, 1998 - Art - 276 pages </ref><ref> Against History, Against State
Shail Mayaram Orient Blackswan, 01-Jan-2006 - 320 pages</ref><ref name="Chandra">{{Cite book| publisher = Har-Anand Publications| pages = 105–106|url=http://books.google.co.in/books?id=0Rm9MC4DDrcC&pg=PA105|isbn=978-8124110669| last = Chandra| first = Satish| title = Medieval India: From Sultanat to the Mughals Part - II| year = 2005}}</ref> <ref> http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/490092/Rajasthan/46056/History</ref>
with numerous [[Rajput ruling houses]], arranging marriages with Rajput princesses for himself and for his heirs. Mughal-Rajput marriages continued until the early 18th century, bringing many Rajput states into the imperial fold without costly military subjugation.
The Rajput practice of giving daughters to the Mughal emperors in return for recognition as nobility and the honour of fighting on behalf of the Empire originated in this arrangement and thus the Mughals were often able to assert their dominance over Rajput chiefs in [[north India]] without needing to physically intimidate them.<ref>{{cite book |title=Raja Nal and the Goddess: The North Indian Epic Dhola in Performance |first=Susan Snow |last=Wadley |publisher=Indiana University Press |year=2004 |isbn=9780253217240 |url=http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=UbsgVL4AGkoC&pg=PA110 |pages=110–111}}</ref><ref>{{cite book |title=The Dancing Girl: A History of Early India |first=Balaji |last=Sadasivan |publisher=Institute of Southeast Asian Studies |year=2011 |isbn=9789814311670 |url=http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=980SAvbmpUkC&pg=PT255 |pages=233–234}}</ref>
Furthermore, the Rajput relations with [[Mughal]] were consolidated by marriage and blood ties; the [[Akbar]]'s successors, [[Jahangir]] and [[Shah Jahan]] were sons of Rajput Princesses is therefore not insignifant.<ref name="gbook1">{{cite book | url=https://books.google.com/?id=FRVcjdiuAesC&pg=PA89&dq=rajput+mughal+relations#v=onepage&q=rajput%20mughal%20relations&f=false | title=Seeing Across Cultures in the Early Modern World | publisher=Ashgate Publishing, Ltd | work=Art | date=2012 | accessdate=21 October 2014 | author=Dana Leibsohn, Jeanette Favrot Peterson | pages=89–90| isbn=9781409411895 }}</ref>

=== Political Effect of Alliances ===
The political effect of these alliances was significant.<ref name="Chandra">{{Cite book| publisher = Har-Anand Publications| pages = 105–106|url=http://books.google.co.in/books?id=0Rm9MC4DDrcC&pg=PA105|isbn=978-8124110669| last = Chandra| first = Satish| title = Medieval India: From Sultanat to the Mughals Part - II| year = 2005}}</ref> The interaction between Hindu and Muslim nobles in the imperial court resulted in exchange of thoughts and blending of the two cultures. Further, newer generations of the Mughal line represented a merger of Mughal and Rajput blood, thereby strengthening ties between the two. As a result, the Rajputs became the strongest allies of the Mughals, and Rajput soldiers and generals fought for the Mughal army under Akbar, leading it in several campaigns including the conquest of Gujarat in 1572.<ref>{{Harvnb|Sarkar|1984|pp=38–40}}</ref>


Further Reading-
1. Singh, Nau Nihal (2003). The Royal Gurjars: Their Contribution. Anmol Publications. pp. 329–330. {{ISBN|978-81-261-1414-6}}.
* Kisari Mohan Ganguli, The Mahabharata of Krishna-Dwaipayana Vyasa Translated into English Prose, 1883-1896.


More books--

NO link between [[Vedic]] [[Kshatriyas]](old Rajas) and medival Rajputs in many cases.<ref name="books.google.com">M. S. Naravane, V. P. Malik. [http://books.google.com/books?id=lF0FvjG3GWEC&pg=PA20&dq=rajput+6th+century&hl=en&ei=h2DtTLX4K8L48Aar9qy4AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=rajput%206th%20century&f=false ''The Rajputs of Rajputana: a glimpse of medieval Rajasthan'']. APH Publishing, 1999. {{ISBN|8176481181}}, 9788176481182. Pg 20</ref>


The story of agnikula is not mentioned at all in the original version of the Raso preserved in the Fort Library at Bikaner.<ref>{{cite book
| author=S.R. Bakshi
|coauthor=S.G
| title =Early Aryans to Swaraj
|url=http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Ldo1QtQigosC&pg=PA325&dq
| page = 325
| quote =It has been reported that the story of agnikula is not mentioned at all in the original version of the Raso preserved in the Fort Library at Bikaner.
|isbn=9788176255370
|year=2005
}}</ref>

According to the book,a glimpse of medieval [[Rajasthan]] by Naravane & Malik the Agnikula theory for Rajputs was invented in [[16th century]] to legitimise the “conversion” of foreign people as pure Kshatriyas.<ref name="books.google.com"/>

In the book by Satish Chandra,<ref>
{{cite book
| title=Historiography, Religion, and State in Medieval India
| last=Satish | first=Chandra
| year=1996
| publisher=Har-Anand Publications
| isbn=8124100357}}
</ref>

In fact, according to a number of [[scholars]], the agnikula clans were originally [[Gurjara]]s (or [[Gurjars]])<ref name="Dasharatha Sharma 1975 280">{{cite book
| title =Early Chauhān dynasties: a study of Chauhān political history, Chauhān political institutions, and life in the Chauhān dominions, from 800 to 1316 A.D.
| author =Dasharatha Sharma
| publisher =Motilal Banarsidass
| year = 1975
| page =280
|isbn= 978-0-8426-0618-9
| quote =According to a number of scholars, the agnikula clans were originally Gurjaras.
}}</ref> and [[Chauhan] was prominent clan of the [[Gurjar]]s (or Gujjars).<ref name="Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland 1834 651">{{cite book
| title =Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland, Volume 1999
| author =Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland
| publisher =Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain & Ireland.
| year =1834
| page =651
|url=http://books.google.com/?id=TPgAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA651
| quote =By that marriage Harsha had contracted an alliance with the dominant race of the Gurjaras, of whom the chohans were a prominent clan.
}}</ref> Several scholars including D. B. Bhandarkar, [[Baij Nath Puri]] and [[Augustus Hoernle|A. F. Rudolf Hoernle]] believe that the Pratihara were a branch of [[Gurjar]]s.<ref name="Jamanadas"/><ref>{{cite book|title=The Glory that was Gurjardesh|author=K.M. Munshi|year=1943}}</ref><ref>{{cite book|title=Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain & Ireland|author=Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland|publisher=Cambridge University Press for the Royal Asiatic Society|year=1834|page=648|url=http://books.google.co.in/books?id=TPgAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA648&lpg|quote=The Parihars (Pratiharas), as Mr. Bhandarkar rightly points out, were one of the divisions of the [[Gurjara]]s.}}</ref><ref>{{cite book
| last =Chopra
| first =Pran Nath
| title =A comprehensive history of ancient India
|url=https://books.google.com/?id=gE7udqBkACwC&pg=PA196&dq=gurjara+pratihara#v=onepage&q=gurjara%20pratihara&f=false
| origyear =
| year = 2003
|id =,
| publisher =Sterling Publishers Pvt. Ltd
| page =196
| quote =Al-Masudi who visited his (Gurjara mahipala) court, also refers to the great power and resources of the Gurjara pratihara rules of Kannauj.
| isbn =81-207-2503-4
}}</ref><ref name="some_aspects_bhandarkar">{{cite book
| last =Bhandarkar
| first =Devadatta Ramakrishna
| title =Some Aspects of Ancient Indian Culture
| year =1989
| publisher=Asian Educational Services
| isbn =8120604571
| page =64
}}</ref><ref>Baij Nath Puri, The history of the Gurjara-Pratihāras,Munshiram Manoharlal Publishers, 1986, pp.1–3</ref> [[Prithviraj Chauhan]],according to several scholars, was a [[Gurjar]].<ref>{{Cite book
| title =Early Chauhān dynasties: a study of Chauhān political history, Chauhān political institutions, and life in the Chauhān dominions, from 800 to 1316 A.D.
| author =Dasharatha Sharma
| publisher =Motilal Banarsidass
| year = 1975
| page =280
|id=,
| quote =According to a number of scholars, the agnikula class were originally Gurjaras.
| isbn =0842606181
}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book
| title =Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland, Volume 1999
| author =Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland
| publisher =Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain & Ireland.
| year =1834
| page =651
|url=https://books.google.com/?id=TPgAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA651
| quote =By that marriage Harsha had contracted an alliance with the dominant race of the Gurjaras, of whom the chauhans were a prominent clan.
}}</ref> Historian Sir Jervoise Athelstane Baines states that the [[Gurjar]]s were forefathers of the [[Sisodiya]]s.<ref name="Sir Jervoise Athelstane Baines 1912 31"/>


, [[Rajputana]] was essentially the country of the [[Gurjar]]s.<ref>{{cite book|title=Dr. Modi memorial volume: papers on Indo-Iranian and other subjects|author=Sir Jivanji Jamshedji Modi|publisher=Fort Printing Press|year=1930|page=521|quote=Rajputana was essentially the country of the Gurjaras, Gujarat came to be called after...}}</ref><ref>{{cite book|title=Journal of the Asiatic Society of Bombay, Volume 21|author=Asiatic Society of Bombay|coauthor=Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland. Bombay Branch|publisher=|year=1904|page=416|quote=But this much is certain that Rajputana was essentially the country of the [[Gurjara]]s}}</ref> Historian [[R. C. Majumdar]] explained that the region was long known as ''[[Gurjaratra]]'' (Gurjar nation), early form of Gujarat, before it came to be called Rajputana,later in the [[Mughal]] period,16th century.<ref name="R.C. Majumdar 1994 263"/>

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== deletion of names of communities mentioned in webpage" Rajput "subheading "Rajput Lifestyle" ==
== deletion of names of communities mentioned in webpage" Rajput "subheading "Rajput Lifestyle" ==

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deletion of names of communities mentioned in webpage" Rajput "subheading "Rajput Lifestyle"

i read wikipedia page RAJPUT - under heading RAJPUT LIFESTYLE -in which there was mention of two different communities the jats and gurjars in disreputable terms.to put it verbatim it reads

"Until recent times polygamy was common among Rajputs also concubines were kept freely depending upon economic status of a person, particularly in Rajasthan where there were three class of concubines first were called khawals generally jat and gurjar women they lived in harem and children were treated par with 'pure' Rajputs except few restrictions. The other two classes were called Darogi and Goli.[100][101] "

although sources (books ) have been cited .but it is well known that it is not difficult to pick books with shady or biased writers and to believe their nonsense and putting that on something as illustrious as wikipedia is not prudent in fact the book cited "Handbook on Rajputs"by A.H Bingley calls Rajputs 

bastards  ,born of brahmins (page 28)

https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.219902/2015.219902.Hand-Book_djvu.t how can one believe one statement and not believe another from the same book,one cannot quote selectively

again there is another s o called historian Robert Montgomery Martin in his book Behar (Patna city) and Shahabad (page 159 and 160) calls "rajputs bastards" and "offsprings of persians" https://books.google.co.in/books?id=CumEvq2n5RQC&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=bastard+rajputs&source=bl&ots=XgjW7q_lrQ&sig=ACfU3U10kZlNUpv2XzuqAOTfee05xdauAA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjlk8ncoIrkAhWK6nMBHWZDByg4ChDoATADegQICBAB

Again vidya dhar mahajan mentions "The word "Rajput" is used in certain parts of Rajasthan to denote the illegitimate sons of a Kshatriya chief or Jagirdar." [Mahajan Vidya Dhar, "Ancient India", Fifth Edition, Reprint 1972, Chand and Co., New Delhi. p. 550 moreover some of them have even called rajputs to be "descended from gurjars" -Niharranjan Ray and Niharranjan Roy Annals of the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute Vol. 12, No. 2 (1931), pp. 117-122 https://www.jstor.org/stable/41688201?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

these all are ridiculous utterances ,the reason i am mentioning them is that there is enough of bullshit written about everyone and it would be pity if such references are put on a site like wikipedia ,moreover some sensitivity need to be factored in when discussing entire communities whose numbers run in tens of millions of people.further it breeds hatred among communities ,weakens the social fabric .there are enough of this slugfest on many private webpages ,let it remain there. let's not pit one community against another,those who have personal enmity should find other avenues wikipedia is a powerful tool and with power comes responsibility.let us not spread malicious defamatory misinformation i request the admin to remove the names of both the communities mentioned under webpage "Rajput" sub heading 'Rajput lifestyle"

regards --Raakkeesh (talk) 16:29, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2019

deletion of names of communities "jats and gurjars "mentioned in webpage" Rajput " under subheading "Rajput Lifestyle"

i read wikipedia page RAJPUT - under heading RAJPUT LIFESTYLE -in which there was mention of two different communities the jats and gurjars in disreputable terms.to put it verbatim it reads

"Until recent times polygamy was common among Rajputs also concubines were kept freely depending upon economic status of a person, particularly in Rajasthan where there were three class of concubines first were called khawals generally jat and gurjar women they lived in harem and children were treated par with 'pure' Rajputs except few restrictions. The other two classes were called Darogi and Goli.[100][101] "

although sources (books ) have been cited .but it is well known that it is not difficult to pick books with shady or biased writers and to believe their nonsense and putting that on something as illustrious as wikipedia is not prudent in fact the source cited above i.e the book"Handbook on Rajputs"by A.H Bingley calls Rajputs

"bastards ,born of brahmins" (page 28) https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.219902/2015.219902.Hand-Book_djvu.t how can one believe one statement and not believe another from the same book,one cannot quote selectively

again there is another s o called historian Robert Montgomery Martin in his book Behar (Patna city) and Shahabad (page 159 and 160) calls "rajputs bastards" and "offsprings of persians" https://books.google.co.in/books?id=CumEvq2n5RQC&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=bastard+rajputs&source=bl&ots=XgjW7q_lrQ&sig=ACfU3U10kZlNUpv2XzuqAOTfee05xdauAA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjlk8ncoIrkAhWK6nMBHWZDByg4ChDoATADegQICBAB

Again vidya dhar mahajan mentions "The word "Rajput" is used in certain parts of Rajasthan to denote the illegitimate sons of a Kshatriya chief or Jagirdar." [Mahajan Vidya Dhar, "Ancient India", Fifth Edition, Reprint 1972, Chand and Co., New Delhi. p. 550 moreover some of them have even called rajputs to be "descended from gurjars" -Niharranjan Ray and Niharranjan Roy Annals of the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute Vol. 12, No. 2 (1931), pp. 117-122 https://www.jstor.org/stable/41688201?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

these all are ridiculous utterances ,the reason i am mentioning them is that there is enough of bullshit written about everyone and it would be pity if such references are put on a site like wikipedia ,moreover some sensitivity need to be factored in when discussing entire communities whose numbers run in tens of millions of people.further it breeds hatred among communities ,weakens the social fabric .there are enough of this slugfest on many private webpages ,let it remain there. let's not pit one community against another,those who have personal enmity should find other avenues wikipedia is a powerful tool and with power comes responsibility.let us not spread malicious defamatory misinformation i request the admin to remove the names of both the communities mentioned under webpage "Rajput" sub heading 'Rajput lifestyle"

regards Raakkeesh (talk) 17:37, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. Please obtain a WP:CONSENSUS for these changes before making a request like this. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 18:59, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2020

Jassapatti2 (talk) 08:01, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request for edit Jassapatti2 (talk) 08:01, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. TheImaCow (talk) 10:49, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the original Harsola copper plate stored or preserved now?

I am from the town near to Harsol, where these copper plates were found but never knew until recently. I want to know where are they now and in what condition. I can probably do some research on that locality and find out more information. Mihir.261 (talk) 19:16, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Mihir.261. What copper plates? I don't see any mentioned in the article Rajput. Did you mean to ask at Talk:Harsola copper plates? Actually, that wouldn't be the best place either; article talkpages are for discussing improvements to the related article, not for general questions. I suggest you ask your question at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. They know (practically) everything. Good luck. Bishonen | tålk 20:24, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See list of notables

@Sitush: caste glorification can be seen from list of notables.And possible WP:BLP violation is there as many people listed are not self recognising themselves as Rajput. Heba Aisha (talk) 19:49, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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