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For Lithuanian users: provide facts, but not your own point of view; don't delete facts; read provided sources. 82.135.217.176 (talk) 12:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Same applies to you: as for usual objections - newer heard of Belarusian language in 15th century, never heard of Belarus in 15th century (White Ruthenia anyone?).

Daukantas did not name the COA, it was Akelaitis. Check with sources provided on Coat of arms of Lithuania, please do not mislead readers.--Lokyz (talk) 13:11, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand You. How the name of coat of arms is related with the name of country where lived Ruthenians? Second, the name Vytis is invented by Simonas Daukantas in 1845 - this is the fact. It's important to note, it's ahistorical use this term for events prior 1845. So why You claim Vytis existed in the Battle of Grunwald? [1] Third, the user who claims that Pahonia wasn't coat of arms of Belarus is a liar. [2] The fact, Pahonia was the Coat of arms of Belarus in 1918, and in 1991-1995. It's historical symbol of Belarus - so was written. Passed years are history. What's wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.135.217.240 (talk) 11:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Personal translation and interpretation of original text is simple OR, also added information about other COA is not relevant here. Therefore per WP:V and WP:RS I removing this info. M.K. (talk) 12:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC)P.s. and presented "info" contradicts to Rimsa assessment...[reply]

It's nowaday Belarusian lands once were called Litva/Lithuania and the lands of nowaday Lithunia were called Zmud. The name Belarus appears only in 1840, when Russian Emperor ordered to rename litvins into "belarussians" and to name Lithuanian lands "Belarus" or "North-western lands". Remind you that after 1795 when Russian Empire destroyed The Grand Duchy of Lithuania, most part of the duchy was annexed to Russian Empire. And then this part was renamed as I've already said. In fact, it's Belarus must be called Litva today, but post-soviet and pro-russian politicians prevent litvins (belarusians) from returning their real name - Litva/Lithuania. That's why, Pahonia is a belarusian symbol, moreover "Pahonia" is a slavic word. read more here:

http://www.belarusguide.com/as/history/pahonia.html

Litvins or belarussians had never been ruthenians. It's a lying stereotype which were thought up by pro-russian politicians and historians. As you see, litvins were renamed in 1840. Beldame (talk) 17:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)Beldame[reply]

Lithuanian never been a "zmud" or samogitian samogitian is only a part of lithuanian people91.196.249.4 (talk) 01:50, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Pahonia illustration and other issues

The main article for the history of the National emblem of Belarus, i.e. the traditional Belarusian historical coat of arms Pahonia, obviously should be illustrated with File:Coat of arms of Belarus (1991–1995).svg, not File:Coat of arms of Lithuania.svg. --Kazimier Lachnovič (talk) 09:22, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, adding one variation of which is the current coat of arms of Lithuania is obviously redundant to existing The variation of the historical coat of arms of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania is the current coat of arms of Lithuania. --Kazimier Lachnovič (talk) 17:25, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- This discussion is irrelevant as the same topic was already discussed since 14 May 2020 here. -- Pofka (talk) 11:37, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 The [[Template:Main|main article]] for the history of the [[National emblem of Belarus]], i.e. the traditional Belarusian historical coat of arms Pahonia, obviously should be illustrated with [[:File:Coat of arms of Belarus (1991–1995).svg]], not [[:File:Coat of arms of Lithuania.svg]]. --[[User:Kazimier Lachnovič|Kazimier Lachnovič]] ([[User talk:Kazimier Lachnovič|talk]]) 09:22, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * For the record, adding ''one variation of which is the current [[coat of arms of Lithuania]]'' is obviously redundant to existing ''The variation of the historical coat of arms of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania is the current [[coat of arms of Lithuania]].'' --[[User:Kazimier Lachnovič|Kazimier Lachnovič]] ([[User talk:Kazimier Lachnovič|talk]]) 17:25, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
+** This discussion is irrelevant as the same topic was already discussed since 14 May 2020 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coat_of_arms_of_Lithuania#Merging_the_Belarusian_Pahonia_and_Lithuanian_Vytis_together? here]. -- [[User:Pofka|<span style="color:#fdb913;"><strong>Po</strong></span><span style="color:#006a44;"><strong>fk</strong></span><span style="color:#c1272d;"><strong>a</strong></span>]] ([[User talk:Pofka|talk]]) 11:37, 5 April 2021 (UTC)