Talk:Hindi

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ENGLISH FOR A PERIOD OF 15 YEARS...TIME HAS LONG PAST So, Hindi is the official language of India, and documents should use the Hindi language.--213.60.237.52 (talk) 17:24, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm about to add a significant section and would like to summarize edits first

I was assigned to edit a wikipedia article for a course and chose this one. I am new to wikipedia editing, so please bear with me. I am adding a grammar section, because the article did not have one before. I talk about personal pronouns, adjectives, a few tenses, the cases, and some syntactic rules. However, the section is not complete because that would be outside the scope of this project, so I would greatly appreciate anyone adding to it! Also, any feedback is very welcome, as this is my first time editing an article (however, because of that please be forgiving!). Thank you! Shalineem (talk) 03:48, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Figures for Hindi

Stop adding the figures for Hindustani or Urdu on the page, it is a page of the Hindi language not Hindustani or Urdu. Their is a link provided for them on the page in the 'see also' section. Don't make it confusing for the readers by adding figures for Hindustani as figures for Hindi. SoniaKovind (talk) 07:27, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@SoniaKovind: I have reverted your edit, you need to obtain consensus for the change, also, what you have done is misleading the readers as the figures are jointly given for Hindi, Hindustani and Urdu, not only Hindi. Modern scholars consider both to be one language, or at best, 2 variants of a langauge Thapa 75 (talk) 08:37, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Thapa 75 Please read the discussions from the past many years. This article is about Modern Standard Hindi, that's it, not Hindustani language. —SpacemanSpiff 08:51, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@Thapa 75: Do not blindly revert without checking the history, these figures for other languages were added here without any discussion in the first place, the page has been restored to the original version. Once reverted its the duty of the other user to join here and discuss his changes, not revert them back. Do not revert till the discussion is over.

Hindi, Hindustani and Urdu are identified as different language. Like slavic languages, which sound similar but are categoried differently. This is a page for HINDI, not HINDUSTANI. No need to add figures for other languages on the page, leading to a confusion. SoniaKovind (talk) 08:58, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

To editor SoniaKovind: Your edit summary also indicates to me that you have little knowledge of the subject. And because there is no such article on Wikipedia as "Hindi grammar" it just links to Hindustani grammar, which you yourself insisted putting in the article, indicates you are contradicting your own statements the two are different.

If Hindi and Hindustani are two different languages as you claim, you wouldn't be inserting the link to the Hindustani in the see also section. I suggest you familiarize yourself with the subject before editing it again. I will give you a day to explain your reverts, otherwise I will have to insist on restoring it again. Note that what you removed was sourced to a university publication which falls under WP:RS.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 21:35, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@NadirAli: You seem to be unaware of how Wikipedia works and what a languages is, the fact that you can't differentiate between Hindi and Hindustani, when their is a clear description of both of them on Wikipedia. It is the page for Hindi, which is clearly mentioned as the fourth most spoken first language independently, Urdu is mentioned on the same list separately. Is it a page about Urdu? No. Is it a page about Hindustani? No. Do you even know what language is and what a dialect is? Hindi is a proper, standardised, separate language. What was your reason to deleted well-sourced information only to add confusing stats and POVs about another language? SoniaKovind (talk) 21:50, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

To editor SoniaKovind: yes I do know. You have still not provided evidence for your claims nor any sources. The article on Urdu also has mention of Hindi, the article on Hindustani mentions both. Hindi is a register of a language not a language in itself. And if you're going to put the number of speakers, a mention does need to be added that when it's independently covered from Urdu it's the fourth spoken as a register. Technically Hindustani is the third most spoken language, not fourth. You also failed to explain why you put a link in the see also section when you yourself insist it's not the same language. Hindi by definition is not a language, it's a register of the Hindustani language. If you actually came to Wikipedia a week ago, then you'll need to familiarize yourself with policies; especially with regard to reliable sources.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 21:57, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

To editor NadirAli: So is Braj a register of Hindustani too? And Kannauji? Awadhi? Aryamanarora^{talk, contribs} 00:06, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

I think you're confusing Hindi with Hindi languages--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 03:46, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

now hindi is most spoken language in the world by 2017

Now hindi is most spoken language in the world and second most spoken language is now mandarin which is a china's language from 2017 Gurmeet grewal (talk) 17:05, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

So please edit it Gurmeet grewal (talk) 17:06, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

 Not done here either. See why at Talk:List of languages by number of native speakers#please change the ranks by 2017. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 17:29, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

"Indo-Germanic"

Indo-Germanic is an obsolete term, common a century ago, and once favoured by German scholars in the form indogermanisch. It disappeared from common use decades ago. Koro Neil (talk) 04:07, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Removal of dialects

IMO we should list the "languages" that some linguists list as dialects. E.g. Braj and Awadhi are mutually intelligible to a degree with Hindi. I'll do some changes when I'm on a computer. Aryamanarora^{talk, contribs} 00:32, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2017

196.207.125.2 (talk) 14:34, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
Please request your change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:38, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Grammar section

I'm removing this since all of this is covered in Hindustani grammar. Perhaps Sanskritised constructions deserve a mention here, since they are specific to MSH and not Urdu. Aryamanarora^{talk, contribs} 21:40, 13 September 2017 (UTC)