Talk:Ezhava

Ezhavas and thiyyar different caste a

ezhavas belongs to sreenarayana guru.but thiyyar belong to vayanattukulavan,muthappan,theyyam god,kathivanooor veeran,etc ,thiyyar belong theyyam culture Vadakkan5252 (talk) 10:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 Nov 2024

Redundant and misleading information, same thing mentioned in 'variation section'. Also there is a seperate section - 'Dispute between different Ezhava communities'. Also proper attubutions should be given to Thiyyar dynastiy and thiyya in the article as it mention the seperate section - 'Dispute between different Ezhava communities', which is ongoing. Also in the as per sources too.

from : The Ezhavas, also known as Thiyya or Tiyyar in the Malabar region, are a community with origins in the region of India presently known as Kerala, where in the 2010s they constituted about 23% of the population and were reported to be the largest Hindu community.The Malabar Ezhava group has claimed a higher rank in the Hindu caste system than the other Ezhava groups but was considered to be of a similar rank by colonial and subsequent administrations. Ezhava dynasties such as the Mannanar existed in Kerala

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The Ezhavas are a community with origins in the region of India presently known as Kerala, where in the 2010s they constituted about 23% of the population and were reported to be the largest Hindu community.The Malabar Thiyya group has claimed a higher rank in the Hindu caste system than the other Ezhava groups but was considered to be of a similar rank by colonial and subsequent administrations. Thiyya dynasties such as the Mannanar existed in Kerala Hajpo (talk) 15:16, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussion of Ezhava and Thiyya being the same community has been agreed by editors and admins for the last 12 years. See the archived Talk Pages of this articles. This is why the Administrator Daniel Case has closed and permanently-protected all pages that tried to create a separate article for Thiyyas. All such articles, including Thiyya, Thiyyar, Thiyar, Tiyyar, etc. have been re-directed to this Ezhava page, because for the last 12 years all editors have come to the conclusion that the two communities are the same. Thiyya does not meet the WP:NOTABILITY to have separate page.

Even the sources linked to the very first line on this article says the same thing:

.... "Another strong caste association, but one formed at a different social level and cemented by religious appeal, is that of the Iravas of Kerala, who are also known as Ezhavas or Tiyyas and make up more than 40 per cent of Kerala Hindus...."

.... "Throughout Kerala the Tiyyars (called Iravas or Ezhava in parts of Cochin and Travancore)...."

The expert on Kerala castes Sitush has also confirmed this for the last 8 years. See his Talk Page discussions on this.

Your edit request is trying to remove the "also known as Thiyya or Tiyyar" part from the first line of the article. That violates WP:CONSENSUS and many other tags. BismiRamaya (talk) 03:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

This is not against any WP:CONSENSUS, this original article have been modified replacing 'Thiyya' in place of ezhava. Yes I agree that both thiyya and ezhava should be in classified as a same article in Wikipedia, but with proper attribution to thiyya as the same article also extensively talk about the current 'dispute between thiyya and ezhava'.

To balance the article between thiyya and ezhava it is necessary. Hajpo (talk) 23:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Bowler the Carmine | talk 20:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

okay Hajpo (talk) 16:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Proper Attribution to Thiyya - Discuss

Redundant and misleading information, same thing mentioned in 'variation section'. Also there is a seperate section - 'Dispute between different Ezhava communities'. Also proper attubutions should be given to Thiyyar dynastiy and thiyya in the article as it mention the seperate section - 'Dispute between different Ezhava communities', which is ongoing. Also in the as per sources too.

from : The Ezhavas, also known as Thiyya or Tiyyar in the Malabar region, are a community with origins in the region of India presently known as Kerala, where in the 2010s they constituted about 23% of the population and were reported to be the largest Hindu community.The Malabar Ezhava group has claimed a higher rank in the Hindu caste system than the other Ezhava groups but was considered to be of a similar rank by colonial and subsequent administrations. Ezhava dynasties such as the Mannanar existed in Kerala

To: The Ezhavas are a community with origins in the region of India presently known as Kerala, where in the 2010s they constituted about 23% of the population and were reported to be the largest Hindu community.The Malabar Thiyya group has claimed a higher rank in the Hindu caste system than the other Ezhava groups but was considered to be of a similar rank by colonial and subsequent administrations. Thiyya dynasties such as the Mannanar existed in Kerala Hajpo.

This original article have been modified replacing 'Thiyya' in place of ezhava. Yes I agree that both thiyya and ezhava should be in classified as a same article in Wikipedia, but with proper attribution to thiyya as the same article also extensively talk about the current 'dispute between thiyya and ezhava'. To balance the article between thiyya and ezhava it is necessary. Hajpo (talk) 16:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Yes, proper attribution to Thiyya should be given. As far as I know, the article has been subject to vandalism, changing "Thiyya" to "Ezhava." Since the article includes a section titled Dispute between Thiyya and Ezhava, it is important to provide proper attribution, ensuring that "Thiyya" is mentioned appropriately.

2600:4040:4522:2100:EC79:7D53:326D:E825 (talk) 03:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)