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England

I don't know whether its worth mentioning here that many/most cornish people popularily consider england to start at the tamer... Otherwise I suppose some of the article could be confusing? 131.111.8.98

It's a small minority that think this and why would it be worth mentioning? Enzedbrit 04:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Would need a citation I think (personally I doubt very much if it is 'a small minority').DuncanHill 12:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is a well known thing, there are loads of references in encyclopedias and things its just choosing a good one I suppose. I agree that it is more than a minority, its just most people are fairly forgiving and light hearted with it, theres only a minority that get really annoyed by 'england' references. ( I think there was a survey recently that 60%?? of cornish children would identify as cornish not enlish, but there wouldn't be that many who were actuall campaigning for mebyon kernow or anything!) 131.111.8.99 17:52, 17 February 2007

literature

Could the list of books/ authors be reduced...?

Whilst jack clemo and the like are obviously cornish some just seem to be set in cornwall rather than produced by a cornish writer... I dont know what the definition is to be included here!

bible

wasn't there an old tranlsation of some bits of the bible? therefore could the word complete be used somewhere in the bit about this?

art? and dress? film? should be added

should there maybe be a section here about art? There are many artists from cornwall or inspired by cornish landscapes. Mention st. Ives Perhaps? Could also mention celtic knotwork ie. cornwall has the highest dennsity of 'traditional' celtic crosses in the world (acording to a general celtic art expert I talked to), don't know if there would be a reference online anywhere, and that these are still erected eg. for war memorials or millenium etc. Also noting that they are generally simpler than crosses in eg. ireland due to difficulty of carving granite.

There are a fair number of film makers who identify themself as 'cornish film makers', even if they're working in english, there's certainly a concept of a cornish film industry if you look online. Goel fylm kernow and the celtic film festival should prob be mentioned. Hwerow hweg is an abvious point, as is the Govynn Kernewek, perhaps mantion 'kernow's kick ass kung fu Queens'?!

Maybe a section about 'traditional dress?' or clothes originating here I'm not a fan of the idea of 'traditional dress' things but it probably should be mentioned. Theres stuff like fishermans smocks? bal maiden gear? kilts/tartans- prob needing to be unbiased sentence on that one.Don't really know much about that area.

Will add fledgling sections for these, but will leave most of it to others.(WPM) 131.111.8.103

cleaned up

I have tried to clean up this page, putting it into what I think is a more helpful order. I have also added a short paragraph to explain 'why' cornish traditions differ from the general english, I personally am not a fan of overuse of the word 'celtic' but I felt it was the easiest concise explanation here. I have also added some information on specific musical traditions and a paragraph on folkloric stories.131.111.8.100(WPM)

Cornish people

This page has been chosen as the current UK Collaboration of the Fortnight. All welcome to join in . Secretlondon 17:12, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Reduce the Cornwall pages

I think the Cornwall page could be reduced now that the Culture of Cornwall and Cornish people pages exist, why double up on the information?

Register as a Cornish Wikipedian

At these two pages:

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[2]

Cornish Food

Cornish Food

Bretagne 44 09:55, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cornish Economy

Where the idea of independence goes horribly wrong....

Hi 81.151.89.71, please elaborate. Talskiddy

Just ignore it Talskiddy, its just flame bating ;) Mammal4 07:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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-{{CornwallWikiproject|class=Start|importance=High}}
+{{CornwallWikiproject}}
-The opening paragraph;
-''Cornwall, though within England, has many cultural differences from the culture of England.[citation needed] These cultural differences are central to the Cornish self-government movement, which advocates ceremonial independence from England.
-As Cornwall is home of one of the living Celtic languages, it is recognised as one of the six modern 'Celtic nations' by the Celtic Congress and the Celtic League. Many celtic-derived traditions were dying out in the early 20th century but have more recently increased in popularity.''
-is rather unweildy and not indicative of the thrust of the article. Combining the 'sle governance" issue is confusing, and the emphasis on language odd. The "celtic derived tranditions dying out" again, just adds to the general oddnes.
-Could I suggest it should be reduced to"
-"Cornwall has a cultural history, as well as cultural events and arts which are unique to the county, some of which are are believd to be celtic in origin."
-[[User:Serpren|Serpren]] 05:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 ==England==
 I don't know whether its worth mentioning here that many/most cornish people popularily consider england to start at the tamer... Otherwise I suppose some of the article could be confusing?
 [[User:131.111.8.98|131.111.8.98]]
 :It's a small minority that think this and why would it be worth mentioning? [[User:Enzedbrit|Enzedbrit]] 04:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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 :Would need a citation I think (personally I doubt very much if it is 'a small minority').[[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] 12:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
-:It is a well known thing, there are loads of references in encyclopedias and things its just choosing a good one I suppose. I agree that it is more than a minority, its just most people are fairly forgiving and light hearted with it, theres only a minority that get really annoyed by 'england' references. ( I think there was a survey recently that 60%?? of cornish children would identify as cornish not enlish, but there wouldn't be that many who were actuall campaigning for mebyon kernow or anything!) [[User:131.111.8.99|131.111.8.99]]
+:It is a well known thing, there are loads of references in encyclopedias and things its just choosing a good one I suppose. I agree that it is more than a minority, its just most people are fairly forgiving and light hearted with it, theres only a minority that get really annoyed by 'england' references. ( I think there was a survey recently that 60%?? of cornish children would identify as cornish not enlish, but there wouldn't be that many who were actuall campaigning for mebyon kernow or anything!) [[User:131.111.8.99|131.111.8.99]] 17:52, 17 February 2007
 ==literature==
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 [[User:Bretagne 44|Bretagne 44]] 09:55, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
-Isn't it a bit daft that the "Cornish Food" entry on the "Cornwall" page has more information, and is a more varied and informative section than the one on the "Cornish Culture" page? Shouldn't the information be transposed?[[User:Serpren|Serpren]] ([[User talk:Serpren|talk]]) 08:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
-==Cornish sport==
-The following paragraph is rather illiterate, and contradicts itself;
-''Rugby union has the largest following in Cornwall with the Cornish team often drawing very large crowds of supporters, dubbed Trelawny's Army. Football and Cricket are played more, with most villages and towns having clubs, but it is Rugby that captures the imagination and when the Cornish rugby team go to play in the county championships everyone in Cornwall takes big notice of the events. If the side reaches the finals at Twickenham Stadium, home of the English Rugby Union, as many as 50,000 Cornishmen (a tenth of the population) go to see the final. The last success was in 1999, when Cornwall beat Gloucestershire.''
-Rugby union has the largest following, but football (soccer) and cricket are played more?
-“If the team makes the finals”, which it last did in 1999, hardly makes it a regular event.
-Everyone in Cornwall takes big notice of the events?!?
-I think this section is in need of a rewrite![[User:Serpren|Serpren]] ([[User talk:Serpren|talk]]) 07:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
-:I think that "the largest following" refers to fanbase, while "played more" refers to actual players - that is to say, more people go to watch rugby than any other sport in Cornwall, but more people play football and cricket than play rugby. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 13:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 == Cornish Economy ==
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 :: Just ignore it Talskiddy, its just [[flaming|flame bating]] ;) [[User:Mammal4|Mammal4]] 07:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
-== Reference==
-Could somone with back catalogue of Cornish World magazines find the name/date of neil Daveys article on a timeline/history of cornish music, and ad this as the reference to 'a recent tally of bands playing mostly or entirely ccrnish music found over 100.' {{unsignedIP|131.111.8.103|10:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)}}
-==references==
-If no-one else does these I'll do them at some point, I wrote most of the 1st draft of this article so should be able to find books for it.
-WPM