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His case is still undertrial in High Court and in fact co-accused sentence already got suspended<ref>https://www.hindustantimes.com/jaipur/asaram-cites-trial-by-media-in-rape-conviction-files-appeal-against-life-term/story-7DzUHltoz4TFq57rGif41J.html</ref><ref>https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-asaram-bapu-rape-case-rajasthan-hc-suspends-sentence-of-co-accused-grants-her-bail-2669571</ref>. Hence is not right to add words like rapist. |
His case is still undertrial in High Court and in fact co-accused sentence already got suspended<ref>https://www.hindustantimes.com/jaipur/asaram-cites-trial-by-media-in-rape-conviction-files-appeal-against-life-term/story-7DzUHltoz4TFq57rGif41J.html</ref><ref>https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-asaram-bapu-rape-case-rajasthan-hc-suspends-sentence-of-co-accused-grants-her-bail-2669571</ref>. Hence is not right to add words like rapist. |
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This line is already there: "In April 2018, Asaram was found guilty of the rape of a minor girl and is currently serving life imprisonment in Jodhpur" and I think this is more than sufficient. And words like Rapist should not be added since case is in High Court and Wiki page giving too much importance to it seems unfair. As if High Court or Supreme court later on proves him innocent - it will e defamation by Wiki. I am saying that we remove mention |
This line is already there: "In April 2018, Asaram was found guilty of the rape of a minor girl and is currently serving life imprisonment in Jodhpur" and I think this is more than sufficient. And words like Rapist should not be added since case is in High Court and Wiki page giving too much importance to it seems unfair. As if High Court or Supreme court later on proves him innocent - it will e defamation by Wiki. I am saying that we remove mention of rapist, say specifically that he was convicted by session court. But don't give him a term "rapist". These changes came recently and this older version was not having such words. I tried to correct but they were reverted. Please check.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Asaram&oldid=926921167] [[User:La vérité gagne|La vérité gagne]] ([[User talk:La vérité gagne|talk]]) 14:51, 14 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::See [[WP:CRYBLP]]#2. |
::See [[WP:CRYBLP]]#2. |
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::Asaram is not his co-accused and even if he were, that suspension has been since [https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/asaram-bapu-jodhpur-hc-rape-case-1602214-2019-09-23 revoked] in entirety, with Asaram [https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2019/sep/23/asaram-bapus-plea-for-suspension-of-sentence-dismissed-by-jodhpur-hc-2037851.html planning to lodge a fresh appeal] next year. A convicted rapist ([https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/asaram-bapu-2-others-convicted-in-rape-case/article23667146.ece and that too under] [[Child_sexual_abuse_laws_in_India#The_Protection_of_Children_from_Sexual_Offences_(POCSO)_Act|POSCO]]) is a HUGE deal, as reflected by the fact that almost all coverage about Asaram, over the course of past half-a-decade or so, centers on this locus. And, this page will surely change, as the outcomes of his legal trials change. [[User:Winged Blades of Godric|<span style="color: red">∯</span><span style="font-family:Verdana"><b style="color:#070">WBG</b></span>]][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric|<sup><span style="color:#00F">converse</span></sup>]] 16:15, 14 December 2019 (UTC) |
::Asaram is not his co-accused and even if he were, that suspension has been since [https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/asaram-bapu-jodhpur-hc-rape-case-1602214-2019-09-23 revoked] in entirety, with Asaram [https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2019/sep/23/asaram-bapus-plea-for-suspension-of-sentence-dismissed-by-jodhpur-hc-2037851.html planning to lodge a fresh appeal] next year. A convicted rapist ([https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/asaram-bapu-2-others-convicted-in-rape-case/article23667146.ece and that too under] [[Child_sexual_abuse_laws_in_India#The_Protection_of_Children_from_Sexual_Offences_(POCSO)_Act|POSCO]]) is a HUGE deal, as reflected by the fact that almost all coverage about Asaram, over the course of past half-a-decade or so, centers on this locus. And, this page will surely change, as the outcomes of his legal trials change. [[User:Winged Blades of Godric|<span style="color: red">∯</span><span style="font-family:Verdana"><b style="color:#070">WBG</b></span>]][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric|<sup><span style="color:#00F">converse</span></sup>]] 16:15, 14 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:::So my concern is only about the usage of word "rapist". I don't see any issue in mentioning that he is convicted by session court. FYI: Suspension of Sentence and High court appeal are two different things. Case is still ongoing in High court. [[User:La vérité gagne|La vérité gagne]] ([[User talk:La vérité gagne|talk]]) 16:45, 14 December 2019 (UTC) |
:::So my concern is only about the usage of word "rapist". I don't see any issue in mentioning that he is convicted for rape by session court. FYI: Suspension of Sentence and High court appeal are two different things. Case is still ongoing in High court. [[User:La vérité gagne|La vérité gagne]] ([[User talk:La vérité gagne|talk]]) 16:45, 14 December 2019 (UTC) |
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Removing adjective "rapist" as per WP:BLP
His case is still undertrial in High Court and in fact co-accused sentence already got suspended[1][2]. Hence is not right to add words like rapist. This line is already there: "In April 2018, Asaram was found guilty of the rape of a minor girl and is currently serving life imprisonment in Jodhpur" and I think this is more than sufficient. And words like Rapist should not be added since case is in High Court and Wiki page giving too much importance to it seems unfair. As if High Court or Supreme court later on proves him innocent - it will e defamation by Wiki. I am saying that we remove mention of rapist, say specifically that he was convicted by session court. But don't give him a term "rapist". These changes came recently and this older version was not having such words. I tried to correct but they were reverted. Please check.[1] La vérité gagne (talk) 14:51, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- See WP:CRYBLP#2.
- Asaram is not his co-accused and even if he were, that suspension has been since revoked in entirety, with Asaram planning to lodge a fresh appeal next year. A convicted rapist (and that too under POSCO) is a HUGE deal, as reflected by the fact that almost all coverage about Asaram, over the course of past half-a-decade or so, centers on this locus. And, this page will surely change, as the outcomes of his legal trials change. ∯WBGconverse 16:15, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- So my concern is only about the usage of word "rapist". I don't see any issue in mentioning that he is convicted for rape by session court. FYI: Suspension of Sentence and High court appeal are two different things. Case is still ongoing in High court. La vérité gagne (talk) 16:45, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
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