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oh my dear poor english

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Latest comment: 7 years ago9 comments4 people in discussion

Hello, I worked the pages Canadian Interuniversity Sport women's ice hockey championship and National Collegiate Women's Ice Hockey Championship. If you want to verify my English spelling. Thanks. Bonjour, l'ai travaillé ces 2 pages. Si vous voulez vérifier ma mauvaise orthographe anglaise et ma syntaxe anglaise , merci beaucoup à vous tous. --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 21:13, 11 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

National Collegiate Women's Ice Hockey Championship

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One person erased all my work on the page by saying; rvt to last known good version. The new text is poorly written, non-neutral, and not very accurate [1]. I have just answered this on his talk page [2]...Your intervention is incomprehensible [3]. You have eliminate all my work without any discussion with me. I inform you that the text is in discussion on Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's sport/Watercooler and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Feminism. Can you maintaining to present to the group your arguments and opinions. Thanks --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 22:44, 11 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

I scarcely know where to begin in explaining the problems with the version I reverted. Scratch that; I do know: the title. The title was recently moved from NCAA Women's Frozen Four -- not a very good title, admittedly -- to National Collegiate Women's Ice Hockey Championship. The old title at least has the virtue of being able to refer to both championship tournaments in women's NCAA ice hockey; the new title, however, refers only to the DI/DII championship, even though the DIII championship is covered in the article.

As for the article's content, there are numerous factual errors and neutrality problems with Genevieve2's version of the article:

  1. "The National Collegiate Women's Ice Hockey Championship is one of major women's ice hockey leagues in the United States" — The championship is not a league at all; the members of four different leagues compete for this championship title.
  2. "This championship exists since the season 2000-2001 and groups includes the university teams of the division I and of the division III of the NCAA." — D-I and D-III schools do not compete against each other for any championship. The championship that is the title of the article is contested among D-I and D-II teams, not D-III.
  3. "This competition is considered as the second level in the pyramid of North American Women's hockey, below the Canadian Women's Hockey League (CWHL) and the Western Women's Hockey League (WWHL)." — I'm not familiar with any "pyramid" when it comes to North American women's hockey, and I don't know anyone who "consider[s]" a pyramid to exist into which NCAA competition could be placed.
  4. "In 1978, the American universities fall under the blow of the law Title IX:" — blatantly non-neutral language, treating Title IX as a negative for universities.
  5. "Now there are resistances in the NCAA" — Stating this without any context or clarification is downright misleading, as it implies organized or official resentment of the Title IX rules on the part of ... someone? The NCAA as an organization? Individual colleges? Athletic directors? Athletes? Who? Powers T 00:16, 12 January 2012 (UTC)Reply
  6. "On 1976, the Brown university is the host of Ivy League" — Makes no sense.
  7. Countless grammatical errors, to the point where the entire article would need to be rewritten to be comprehensible.

As such, I removed this clearly unacceptable content. It's possible some it might be salvageable, but in its current state it's virtually useless. -- Powers T 00:16, 12 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

Bonsoir, Hello, Shalom, At first I grant you that my level of English language is novice (see on my personnal page it is indicate nivel one for my english , not 4 ). During the publication of my text, I asked Maple Leaf of correct version for my text : you will can consult his talk page 00:17, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[4]. I suit that there are some modifications to be brought but from there to erase everything as you made .... there is a margin..

I am going to set point by point of your argumentation.

  1. You said The National Collegiate Women's Ice Hockey Championship is one of major women's ice hockey leagues in the United States" — The championship is not a league at all; the members of four different leagues compete for this championship title .

4 Leagues or 4 conferences: it's important to get on the words. Can be be it a Canadian error to see the Division 1 NCAA as a league has 4 conference. I know The NCAA possesses 4 conferences for the Division I NCAA: Hockey East, College Hockey America, ECAC Hockey et Western Collegiate Hockey Association. Please read my text: The championship possesses 4 conferences for the Division I: Hockey East, College Hockey America, ECAC Hockey et Western Collegiate Hockey Association. The teams are:

Hockey East (HEA)

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College Hockey America (CHA)

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ECAC Hockey

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Western Collegiate Hockey Association (WCHA)

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  1. Also we have also the American Collegiate Hockey Association with

Division 1 women's ice hockey: Central Collegiate Women's Hockey Association and Eastern Collegiate Women's Hockey League. We have also Division 2 Women's ice hockey in American Collegiate Hockey Association


  1. You said This championship exists since the season 2000-2001 and groups includes the university teams of the division I and of the division III of the NCAA." — D-I and D-III schools do not compete against each other for any championship. The championship that is the title of the article is contested among D-I and D-II teams, not D-III.

Sorry the Division II NCAA in women's ice hockey don't exist in USA. Just Division I and III. It is very different to NCAA men ice Hockey. see for your informations: NCAA Division I women ice hockey page and NCAA Division III women ice hockey page.


  1. I wrote This competition is considered as the second level in the pyramid of North American Women's hockey, below the Canadian Women's Hockey League (CWHL) and the Western Women's Hockey League (WWHL) and you said I'm not familiar with any "pyramid" when it comes to North American women's hockey, and I don't know anyone who "consider[s]" a pyramid to exist into which NCAA competition could be placed. " —

Numerous players, after their years eligibility in the NCAA, go played in leagues WWHL and CWHL. Just you will notice the composition of the Womens national teams of Canada and the United States, the great majority of the players arise from the Canadian Women's Hockey League . Only some some are of the NCAA: Canada [5]. USA [6].

The Canadian Women's Hockey League (CWHL) said on her website...the Canadian Women's Hockey League is the most premier, professionally run women's hockey league in the world. The CWHL is a centrally funded league meaning that all participating teams in the CWHL receive equal access to funding and are given the same opportunities to succeed. Every dollar goes towards building a league that is dedicated to raising the profile of women's hockey while providing a place where the best female hockey players in the World can come to train and compete. (reference [7]).

The CWHL Mandate:

  • To provide a league which supports the highest level of women's professional hockey in North America.
  • Mandate: An incorporated, not-for-profit, premier, professionally-run women's hockey association which operates a women's professional ice hockey league of 6 member clubs operating in Canada and the United States.
  • Values: We are committed to lead the growth, promotion and development of an established professional women's hockey league both nationally and internationally.
  • Mission: To provide a league which supports the highest level of women's professional hockey in North America
  • Plan Objective: To develop a strategy which is time based, flexible and actionable and facilitates the responsible expansion of and continuous investment in the CWHL?

(reference [8])

This CWHL is very different to NCAA (in USA) or CIS (in Canada). Do you will the CWHL Annual Report? I can post the Annual Report to your adresse. Contact me at [email protected] It will be a pleasure for me to inform you. The Canadian Women's Hockey League (CWHL) was created in May 2007 following the dissolution of the National Women's Hockey League (NWHL). I have two questions for you: a) Do you know the Clarkson Cup ? Do you saw last year the Clarkson Cup final game on TV ? The Clarkson Cup has been called “the Stanley Cup for Women.” It pits the top women’s clubs from across North America in a season championship. Maybe I wiil see you and your family in March 25th 2012 at Clarkson Cup Championship Game. It will be a pleasure for me to welcome you with your family. The French Canadians are kind persons. In more I make a commitment to pay your personnal ticket of admission. But can be you do not be to interest, it would be it's a pity after all what you move forward on my text. But can be to look you at the match at the Canadian television (On TSN ).

  1. I wrote In 1978, the American universities fall under the blow of the law Title IX:" and you said blatantly non-neutral language, treating Title IX as a negative for universities. . I wrote "Now there are resistances in the NCAA" and you said Stating this without any context or clarification is downright misleading, as it implies organized or official resentment of the Title IX rules on the part of ... someone? The NCAA as an organization?

Individual colleges? Athletic directors? Athletes? Who?

Universities have granting a deadline of application (1978) to Title IX (read the page Title IX it is important The NCAA and many universities were not happy about the decisions made by the HEW. The NCAA tried unsuccessfully to claim that the implementation of Title IX was illegal. A revised Tower Amendment was proposed and many debates were had but Title IX stood (reference Welsh Suggs, A Place on the Team. Princeton, NJ.: Princeton University Press, 2005.). Some establishments as to Grove City affected procedures to dispute these capacities ( reference Twenty-Five Years After Title IX: Women Gain in Steps, Not Leaps [9], National Organization for Women, 2007. ). The NCAA tried to hinder the development of the Women sports in the 70s to see years 1980, the Championship NCAA of women's basketball and the Championship NCAA of women's volleyball beginning only for the season 1981-1982 and the Championship NCAA of Women's ice hockey for the autumn, 2000. My text said Twenty two teams are contacted. In August, 2000, the NCAA announces that it will set up a national division of women ice hockey with a national championship at the end of every season. The first season takes place of the autumn, 2000 to spring, 2001. March 25th, 2001, the Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs gain the first NCAA division I Women Championship by a victory 4-2 against St. Lawrence Skating Saints

Before 1978, very few university women's teams existed in spite of the militant fights led in the 60s and 70 because of ideological prejudices: fragility of the feminine constitution, risk of infertility, etc ( reference UTM women's hoop pioneer Lin Dunn will coach in WNBA Finals [10], NWTN Today, 29 septembre 2009 and Karen Blumenthal, Let Me Play : The story of Title IX, the law that changed the future of girls in America (Atheneum Books for Young Readers; 2005) .

  1. I wrote "On 1976, the Brown university is the host of Ivy League" and you said Makes no sense. and Countless grammatical errors, to the point where the entire article would need to be rewritten to be comprehensible.

I rewrote the sentence which was not very good - In 1976, Brown university would host the first ever Ivy League women's ice hockey tournament. The other team were Cornell, Princeton and Yale. The Big Red would win the tournament. --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 03:56, 12 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

Nick and I started copyediting the new content. Most of the grammar is easy to fix and the POV issues are easy enough to reword. It seems a lot more productive to just fix the problems rather than delete everything and argue about it. Kaldari (talk) 05:06, 12 January 2012 (UTC)Reply
I found the text unfixable without complete rewrites. I congratulate you if you are able to wade through it and have the time available to make proper fixes. Powers T 18:48, 12 January 2012 (UTC)Reply
  1. In college hockey "league" and "conference" are used interchangeably to describe the independent organizations formed to provide competition for their teams, though "conference" is probably more accurate than "league". Regardless, the NCAA is not a league, and neither is the championship tournament that the NCAA organizes to determine a national champion.
  2. You are wrong when you say there is no Division II in NCAA ice hockey. There most certainly is. What there is not is a separate Division II championship. The NCAA does not sponsor a Division II championship in men's hockey (not since 1999 or so); in women's hockey, they have combined Division II and Division I for championship purposes, producing a National Collegiate Championship in place of separate D-I and D-II championships. The Division III championship is completely separate and not part of the "National Collegiate Championship".
  3. I am familiar with the professional women's ice hockey leagues, thank you. I am not questioning their existence; I am questioning the implication (from the phrase "the women's ice hockey pyramid") that there is a formal hierarchy leading up from the lowest levels to the highest.
  4. Again, I'm perfectly familiar with the history behind Title IX; you don't have to write a dissertation. I would ask, however, that you actually address my concerns.
  5. Thank you for fixing the statement about Brown and the Ivy League tournament.
-- Powers T 18:48, 12 January 2012 (UTC)Reply
Instead of continuing a debate over syntax, grammar and NCAA definitions, I would like to start a new thread on the subject of women's ice hockey in general, and women's college ice hockey in particular. Thanks Bill McKenna (talk) 13:41, 2 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

Article review

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Hi everyone! I am a student who has contributed significantly to the page Muslim women in sport. It is currently rated start-class but I think deserves a higher rating now. Would anyone be willing to review the article and update the rating? Thanks! Rjpg12 (talk) 22:29, 7 November 2016 (UTC)Reply

I see that since November that this article has been upgraded to GA status. Congratulations, that is a great and deserved accomplishment. I have two suggestions, neither of which has bearing on the GA status which I agree with. First, the style reads too much like an essay, and should be modified to read more like an encyclopedic work. This is my opinion only and does not violate anything in WP:MOS. Secondly, of the many categories enumerated, there need to be many more "see also" pointers. This is not really a critique of the article per se, but an observation that much needs to be done to build women's sport infrastructure. Just make sure that when articles are created to build a "see also" referral to, that this article is appended.
Well done. Bill McKenna (talk) 14:29, 2 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

Women's ice hockey task force and women's college ice hockey task force creation

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I have recently done quite a lot of work creating pages and organizing the three most recent seasons of NCAA Division I women's ice hockey. Please see 2016–17 NCAA Division I women's ice hockey season as the 'lead' page for the most recent season. You will find that the 2014-15 season is materially complete.
As I near completion of this very large task, I would like to propose task forces to continue the NCAA work, and expend it to the Canadian college hockey system (U sports) and Eurasian college systems. If I can get 4 to 5 interested parties (respond below), then perhaps we can make it happen. I have very limited wikipedia networking experience, but I'm willing to try.
'To do's' might include
* organizing and expanding NCAA, U Sports and others in the college realm
* creating and bringing a Women's Ice Hockey page to FA status
* Adequately documenting the successful threatened boycott of USA Hockey re: the 2017 IIHF World Championships. and
* defending against vandalism and trolls.
Per the troll issue, please see the Talk:2015–16 Ohio State Buckeyes women's ice hockey season page, for both an example of such, and the thoughtful response regarding policy by Rebbing. I have much to say to her helpful redirection of my anger of the previos day's nonsense.
Kindest regards, Bill McKenna (talk) 14:08, 2 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

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Would anyone be opposed to merging this page and its archives to the Main Talk page for the project? We could potentially use this menu tab for a new Popular Articles automated listing (see User:Community Tech bot/Popular pages for more info and/or Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Women's_football_task_force/Popular_pages for example). Hmlarson (talk) 20:41, 27 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

@LauraHale: - what do you think of this proposal? Hmlarson (talk) 20:24, 30 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

Consolidating water cooler to main talk page

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Please follow and post any new discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women's sport instead of here. Hmlarson (talk) 19:39, 5 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

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