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Summary of Military history WikiProject open tasks watch · edit · full list News and announcements The November newsletter is now available. Editors are advised that Featured Articles promoted before 2016 are in need of review, if you had an article promoted to Featured status on or before 2016 please check and update your article before they are listed at FAR/C. Current discussions No major discussions are open at the moment Featured article candidates Boot Monument • Teddy Wynyard • Breton Civil War, 1341 • Operation Matterhorn logistics • Steele's Greenville expedition • Battle of Morlaix • GL Mk. I radar Featured article review Byzantine Empire • Edward I of England • Northrop YF-23 • Pre-dreadnought battleship Featured picture candidates Thorsten Nordenfelt A-Class review USS Texas (BB-35) • John S. McCain Sr. • Project Pluto • SMS Berlin • Battle of Köse Dağ Peer reviews Sher Shah Suri • War of the Antiochene Succession • 4th Army (France) • List of foreign-born samurai in Japan • Hiroshima Maidens • German Jewish military personnel of World War II Good article nominees Simon Stuart (general) • Dabney Coleman • Crusading movement • Black and Tans • Ottoman destroyer Yarhisar • Regency of Algiers • History of the Regency of Algiers • Perdiccas • Ziaur Rahman • Pierre François Bauduin • Federalist No. 29 • HMS Sheffield (C24) • Charles the Bold • Te Pōrere Redoubts • Aromal Chekavar • Tumu Crisis • 1838 Mormon War • Mseilha Fort • SMS Albatross (1871) • Shō Hashi • HMS Savage (1910) • HMS Lively (1813) • Edward Caledon Bruce • Alt Llobregat insurrection • French ironclad Tonnant • SMS Scorpion (1860) • 1991 Andover tornado • Melisende, Queen of Jerusalem • Richard Stevens (RAF officer) • Henry O'Neill (soldier) • Omani ship Nasr al Bahr Good article reassessments Battle of Plataea • USS Texas (BB-35) • Haile Selassie • Edwin of Northumbria • Angevin kings of England Articles that need... work on referencing and citation (149,490) • only work on referencing and citation (43,220) • work on coverage and accuracy (124,860) • only work on coverage and accuracy (19,917) • work on structure (32,147) • only work on structure (339) • work on grammar (8,214) • only work on grammar (47) • work on supporting materials (32,965) • only work on supporting materials (830) • assessment (1,451) • assessment as lists (0) • project tags fixed (9) • assessment checklists added (0) • assessment checklists completed (16) • task forces added (10) • attention to task force coverage (653)

Requests for project input

Discussion on the renaming of the article Allegations of United States support for the Khmer Rouge

Please see here for a discussion about renaming Allegations of United States support for the Khmer Rouge to United States support for the Khmer Rouge. FOARP (talk) 17:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

RFC on Russian invasion of Ukraine

THere's currently a discussion about whether or not to include North Korea as a co-belligerent. Please feel free to comment. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 13:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Peruvian Civil War of 1980–2000#Requested move 19 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Peruvian Civil War of 1980–2000#Requested move 19 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 19:13, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Edwin of Northumbria

Edwin of Northumbria has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Angevin kings of England

Angevin kings of England has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Borsoka (talk) 02:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:RSM-56 Bulava#Requested move 3 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:RSM-56 Bulava#Requested move 3 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Frostly (talk) 06:06, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Yemeni civil war (2014–present)#Requested move 7 December 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Yemeni civil war (2014–present)#Requested move 7 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Abo Yemen✉ 13:13, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

RM to lowercase North Yemen Civil War

An ongoing RM to lowercase is at Talk:North Yemen Civil War#Requested move 28 November 2024. It has been relisted and may be of interest to editors of this WikiProject. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:19, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

United Kingdom Special Forces has an RfC

United Kingdom Special Forces has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Melbguy05 (talk) 07:43, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Wahhabi War#Requested move 26 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Wahhabi War#Requested move 26 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 17:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2024 Manbij offensive#Requested move 9 December 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Manbij offensive#Requested move 9 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 19:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Capture of Damascus#Requested move 9 December 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Capture of Damascus#Requested move 9 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 19:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Second Nagorno-Karabakh War#RfC on inclusion of Syrian mercenaries in infobox

Please see subject RfC. Cinderella157 (talk) 03:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Ship Characteristics lacking uniformity

So I'm just a kid basically and don't know what I'm talking about. However, there are a lot of ships on here that I often find myself at, and it is strange there isn't a formal way to set up the stats of the ships. Some include cost, some don't. some include ship badge, some don't. ship mottos, classification numbers, consistent displacement(some include full load and regular, others don't specify). I feel like it would make sense if not to standardize it at least advise for certain info to be included Mlayap (talk) 00:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Mlayap: Part of that is because we can only include the information we can find in reliable sources. Some ships are much better covered than others. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 16:40, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Nominations for military history newcomer of the year for 2024 are open!

Military history newcomer of the year 2024

• 
  First place
• 
  Runners up

As we approach the end of the year, it is time for us to nominate the editors we believe have made a real difference to the project. In addition to the Military historian of the year, all Milhist editors are invited to nominate a promising newcomer that they feel deserves a nod of appreciation for their hard work over the past 12 months for the Military history newcomer of the year award. The award is open to any editor who has become active in military history articles in the last 12 months.

Like the Military Historian of the Year, the nomination process will begin at 00:01 (UTC) on 16 November and last until 23:59 (UTC) on 30 November 2024. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated. After that a new thread will be created and a voting period will commence on 00:01 1 December 2024 during which editors will be able to cast their approval vote for up to three of the nominees. At the end of this period on 23:59 30 December 2024, the top editor will be awarded the Gold Wiki; all other nominees will receive the WikiProject Barnstar.

Please nominate editors below this line, including links in the nomination statement to the most significant articles/lists/images editors have worked on since 1 January 2024. Please keep nomination statements concise; excluding links to the articles/list/images in question, the ideal nomination statement should be about 20 words. Self-nominations are frowned upon. Please do not vote until the nominations have been finalized. Thanks, and good luck! On behalf of all the coordinators, Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

1. CommissarDoggo (talk · contribs): A new joiner to the project this year, their work includes bringing the American VC winner William Henry Harrison Seeley to GA and expanding Michael Wettlaufer from stub to B class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
2. Matarisvan (talk · contribs): Significant additions to Indian military history, a notoriously difficult topic on Wikipedia - they have also since been voted a coordinator of the WikiProject. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
3. Klutserke (talk · contribs): Second World War naval history, including the significant expansion and re-writing of HMS Sheffield (C24) and the creation of articles including 8.8 cm SK C/25 naval gun. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
4. Wahreit (talk · contribs): Can I nominate Wahreit for extensive editing to Second Sino-Japanese War articles like the Battle of Shanghai and the Battle of Sihang Warehouse. He joined Wikipedia in April 2024 and has done good work from the beginning. Oh and plus 25k to Battle of Nanking Alexysun (talk) 00:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Voting

Nominations for this year's "military history newcomer of the year" award have now closed, and it is time to vote for who you think deserves this honour. As with the awards for previous years, all the runners up will also be acknowledged.

The nominees for this award and the statements given in support of these nominations are provided above. Voting can be done below by adding a hash sign (#) followed by the four tildes (~~~~) to nominee's sections. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated.

All project members are welcome to vote, but are asked to vote for a maximum of three candidates. The winner will be the editor who receives the most 'support' votes by the time voting closes at 23:59 (UTC) on 30 December 2024.

Good luck to all the nominees! For the coordinators, Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

CommissarDoggo

1. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon
2. Gog the Mild (talk) 01:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
3. Wiki king 100000 (talk) 05:46, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
4. Internationed (talk) 16:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Klutserke

1. Parsecboy (talk) 11:04, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
2. Kierzek (talk) 15:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Matarisvan

1. Gog the Mild (talk) 01:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
2. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:16, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
3. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
4. Serial Number 54129 (talk) 11:52, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
5. Donner60 (talk) 19:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
6. - Ratnahastin (talk) 01:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
7. Hog Farm _Talk 19:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
8. TheRazgriz (talk) 17:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Wahreit

1. Matarisvan (talk) 11:10, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Nominations for military historian of the year for 2024 are open!

Military historian of the year 2024

• 
  First place
• 
  Second place
• 
  Third place

As we approach the end of the year, it is time for us to nominate the editors we believe have made a real difference to the project. As part of the first step to determining this year's "Military Historian of the Year" award, all Milhist editors are invited to nominate those that they feel deserve a nod of appreciation for their hard work over the past 12 months.

The nomination process will commence on 00:01 (UTC) on 16 November and last until 23:59 (UTC) on 30 November. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated. After that a new thread will be created and a voting period of will commence on 00:01 (UTC) on 1 December during which editors will be able to cast their approval vote for up to three of the nominees. At the end of this period on 23:59 on 30 December, the top three editors will be awarded the Gold, Silver and Bronze Wiki respectively; all other nominees will receive the WikiProject Barnstar.

Please nominate editors below this line, including links in the nomination statement to the most significant articles/lists/images editors have worked on since 1 January 2024. Please keep nomination statements concise; excluding links to the articles/list/images in question, the ideal nomination statement should be about 20 words. Self nominations are frowned upon. Please do not vote until the nominations have been finalized. Thanks, and good luck! For all the coordinators, Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

1. noclador (talk · contribs): Since 2005 has been working mainly on articles about the Italian Army. In 2023 started a project to write articles for all the Italian Army units active after WWII. Since August 2023 noclador has brought to B-class 298 articles about units of the Italian Army, of which 289 were created from scratch. Created 145 articles in 2023 and 2024. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
2. MSGJ (talk · contribs): Has worked on our Template:WikiProject Military history and the Lua Module:Banner shell and Module:WikiProject banner to implement changes required for our A-class reviews. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:10, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

   Thanks. A barn star would be appreciated but this nomination ... seems excessive — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:05, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

3. Zawed (talk · contribs): Another year, another seemingly endless quantity of New Zealand-related articles. From the Second World War and articles such as Mick Ensor, to the 1869 Battle of Te Pōrere, Zawed consistently produces a variety of high quality content. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
4. Donner60 (talk · contribs) - for extensive behind-the-scenes work as a coordinator, especially their tireless work with the assessment process. Hog Farm _Talk 15:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
5. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk · contribs) - prodigious output of articles relating to British naval ships, e.g. HMS Regulus (1785) and personalities, and also heavily involved in reviewing articles. Zawed (talk) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
6. Hog Farm (talk · contribs) - another editor with a strong article output, this time relating mostly to the US Civil war, e.g. Edward W. Gantt. Zawed (talk) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
7. Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs) - yet another editor with tremendous output, particularly in military logistics e.g. Operation Matterhorn logistics. Does a lot of backroom stuff for the project. Zawed (talk) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
8. Simongraham (talk · contribs) - works away on naval ships, with many articles created and taken up to GA, e.g. HMS Harpy (1909). Zawed (talk) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Voting

Nominations for this year's "Military History Newcomer of the Year" award have now closed, and it is time to vote for who you think deserves this honour. As with the awards for previous years, all the runners up will also be acknowledged.

The nominees for this award and the statements given in support of these nominations are provided above. Voting can be done by adding a hash sign (#) followed by the four tildes (~~~~) to the nominee's section below. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated.

All editors are welcome to vote, but are asked to vote for a maximum of three candidates. The winner will be the editor who receives the most 'support' votes by the time voting closes at 23:59 (UTC) on 30 December 2024.

Good luck to all the nominees! For the coordinators, Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Donner60

1. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
2. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
3. MisterBee1966 (talk) 15:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
4. Hog Farm _Talk 19:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Hawkeye7

1. Gog the Mild (talk) 01:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
2. Wiki king 100000 (talk) 05:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
3. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
4. Donner60 (talk)
5. Hog Farm _Talk 19:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Hog Farm

1. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon
2. Gog the Mild (talk) 01:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
3. Donner60 (talk) 19:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

MSGJ

1. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Noclador

1. Donner60 (talk) 19:42, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
2. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 12:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
3. TheRazgriz (talk) 17:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Pickersgill-Cunliffe

1. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
2. Kierzek (talk) 15:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
3. Hog Farm _Talk 19:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Simongraham

1. Kierzek (talk) 15:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Zawed

1. Gog the Mild (talk) 01:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
2. Serial Number 54129 (talk) 11:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
3. Kierzek (talk) 15:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Aviation experts needed!

Hi all. I am working through Category:Military history articles needing attention only to supporting materials with a view to eliminating its backlog (as almost every article should be able to have an image or infobox). I'm coming across quite a few articles on prototype or low-production aircraft models. Most have an infobox or image so should be B class, however they feel a little short to me. I know next to nothing about aircraft so wondered if someone would mind having a look to see if they contain enough to satisfy the coverage aspect of B-class. A sample below:

• Aichi AB-2
• Albatros D.IV
• Albatros W.3
• Armstrong Whitworth Armadillo
• Austin Greyhound
• Aviatik (Ö) C.I--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:48, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Bernard H 110
• Bernard SIMB AB 10
• BFW M.22
• Blériot 195
• Blackburn Blackburd
• Boeing Model 64
• Bristol Type 159
• Christopher AG-1
• Dewoitine D.770
• DFW R.I
• Fairey S.9/30
• Farman F.140 Super Goliath
• Focke-Achgelis Fa 225--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:48, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Fokker G.I--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:41, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Folland Midge--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:31, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Handley Page H.P.51--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:41, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Hawker P.V.3--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:41, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Hollandsche Vliegtuigenfabriek Avia--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:31, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Horten H.XVIIIHas an image, but was improperly credited with b1=y and b2=y--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:31, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Ilyushin DB-4
• Ilyushin Il-1
• Kaproni Bulgarski KB-11 Fazan
• Kawanishi K-11
• Kawanishi K8K
• Kondor D 7
• Kondor E 3
• Koshiki-2 Experimental Fighter
• Latécoère 611
• Latham Trimotor
• LFG Roland D.XV
• Marinens Flyvebaatfabrikk M.F.4
• Marinens Flyvebaatfabrikk M.F.5
• Marinens Flyvebaatfabrikk M.F.6
• Marinens Flyvebaatfabrikk M.F.7
• Mitsubishi Ka-8
• Mooney TX-1
• Nakajima B3N
• Nakajima Ki-62
• Nieuport-Delage NiD-120
• Nikitin PSN-1
• Nikitin PSN-2
• Parnall Prawn
• Pfalz D.VI
• Pfalz D.VII
• Potez 27
• Potez 220
• Potez 230
• PWS-5
• PWS-22
• Rohrbach Ro IV
• RWD 22
• Sablatnig SF-1
• Schütte-Lanz D.VI
• Schütte-Lanz D.VII
• Short S.45
• Siemens-Schuckert B
• Siemens-Schuckert R.I
• Slingsby T.20
• SNCAC NC-600
• SNCAO 200
• Sopwith Gunbus
• Sopwith Swallow
• SPCA 10
• SPCA 30
• Spijker V.3
• Stampe et Vertongen RSV.22
• Sukhoi Su-15 (1949)
• Supermarine Type 391
• Timm AG-2
• Tupolev ANT-41

Dumelow (talk) 17:31, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• I suggest you post this at WT:WikiProject Aircraft (or link to this discussion there) also. Regards -Fnlayson (talk) 17:40, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou. I've just dropped a post there, asking for help - Dumelow (talk) 17:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Some of those overlap with Category:Aviation articles needing attention to supporting materials as they have no images. There is also Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of aircraft, I went through this category recently using a script that could tell if an article had images but the 'image needed' parameter had not been changed to 'n' on the talk page. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 19:32, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

An infobox counts as supporting materials, so the absence of a picture doesn't fail b5.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:41, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Military asset

Is this notable and thus should be saved, or not and should be nominated for deletion at WP:AfD or merged elsewhere. Let’s decide one way or another. Bearian (talk) 20:41, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

It seems to me to be impossibly vague and WP:DICDEF-y. I've prodded it, if that doesn't work I'd probably AFD it. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:09, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Merging WW2 RAF / Free French squadrons into native air forces

Following on from this discussion in January 2023 on the MILHIST talk page. A large number of other countries squadrons have been merged/moved to their native air forces. Looking at the French series, 326, 327, 328, 329, 340, 341, 342, 343, 344, 345, 346 & 347, i've put merge notices on the correct French Air Force squadrons that i've found but my knowledge of the French Air Force is poor and knowledge about their Naval Air Arm is non-existent.

Is anyone able help to connect up the WW2 RAF squadrons with their native air force squadrons? Gavbadger (talk) 00:04, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Arthur Christie

This stub has been unsourced for 20 years. Can we do something about this? Bearian (talk) 02:33, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Looks like you just volunteered! WP:SOFIXIT--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 09:19, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikimojo

Does anyone know what this < hr > means? Thanks Keith-264 (talk) 10:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Horizontal rule; same as ---- wiki-markup.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Aah thanks Keith-264 (talk) 17:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

FMA 21 Requested Page

Is the "FMA 21" worthy of its own page? It just seems like the designation for the Dewoitine D.21 built under liscence in Argentina by FMA. Tylermack999 (talk) 13:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

It's worthy of a redirect, but nothing more substantial.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 09:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, I’m going to remove it from requested pages. Tylermack999 (talk) 11:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Actually, upon further review, it does seem that the FMA 21 is its own aircraft. My confusion was with the fact that the French Dewoitine D.21 was also used by the Argentine Air Force, but the FMA 21 is a different aircraft. According to the I.Ae. 22 DL (or FMA 22) page, it was developed from the North American NA-16. I will start the new page for the FMA 21 as I.Ae. 21 DL to be consistent with the existing page of its successor. Tylermack999 (talk) 14:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Archiving Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Requests for project input

Is someone able to set-up automatic archiving of the above after say 30 days? Sorry, I don't have the technical know how - Dumelow (talk) 09:12, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I just went through and pruned it, including for closed discussions, but some level of auto-archiving would be preferred. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 16:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I have added archiving, and moved the deleted entries to the archive. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 17:44, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 18 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 18 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 00:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)