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Sunaina Kejriwal

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Fails WP:GNG. No proper obituaries. Notability is not inherited. Edwardx (talk) 13:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pradhaan Air Express

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It was originally deleted but recreated by AKS.9955 the following month, all coverage appears to be about its launch, there's no significant coverage outside that. - Ratnahastin (talk) 13:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Guru Nanak University

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No WP:SIGCOV sources were found. The university is said to have been established this year, and without significant coverage, it cannot pass WP:GNG. Universities, colleges, and schools are not inherently notable; they must meet the criteria outlined in WP:NCORP. This subject fails to meet WP:NSCHOOL. GrabUp - Talk 05:53, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Fully accredited degree issuing University recognized by the University Grants Commission (India).There is coverage.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:24, 29 November 2024 (UTC) [1] [2] [3] [4][5][6] [7] [8] [9][10][reply]

These sources are just passing mentions and WP:TRIVIAL; such mentions cannot make the subject meet the criteria of WP:GNG or WP:NCORP. GrabUp - Talk 08:34, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Today, Telangana (11 August 2024). "Hyderabad: Guru Nanak University organises HR Conclave on 'Preparing the Workforce for the Future'". Telangana Today. Retrieved 29 November 2024.
  2. ^ "Guru Nanak University Focuses on Industry-Academia Collaboration for Top Ranking". Deccan Chronicle. 10 August 2024. Retrieved 29 November 2024.
  3. ^ Reddy, R. Ravikanth (3 July 2023). "Govt. faces challenges in shifting "Illegally" admitted students in Guru Nanak and Sreenidhi Universities". The Hindu. Retrieved 29 November 2024.
  4. ^ Vatyam, Nirupa (10 July 2023). "Guru Nanak Students Fight Back: Refuse Relocation, Seek Compensation & Apology". The Times of India. Retrieved 29 November 2024.
  5. ^ Today, Telangana (8 July 2023). "Hyderabad: Huge relief for Guru Nanak University, Sreenidhi University students". Telangana Today. Retrieved 29 November 2024.
  6. ^ The Hans India (27 April 2023). "Hyderabad: Guru Nanak University students take to streets, seek recognition". Andhra Pradesh Breaking News, Telangana News, Hyderabad News Updates, National News, Breaking News. Retrieved 29 November 2024.
  7. ^ Phaniharan, VRC (18 May 2023). "Hyderabad: Guru Nanak University makes tall claims on study courses". Andhra Pradesh Breaking News, Telangana News, Hyderabad News Updates, National News, Breaking News. Retrieved 29 November 2024.
  8. ^ Today, Telangana (4 September 2022). "Hyderabad: Guru Nanak University holds HR Conclave". Telangana Today. Retrieved 29 November 2024.
  9. ^ Chotrani, Ratna (29 August 2022). "Telangana: Guru Nanak Institutions granted university status". The Siasat Daily. Retrieved 29 November 2024.
  10. ^ "Top 15 Private Technical Universities". Outlook India. 2 August 2024. Retrieved 29 November 2024.

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:20, 29 November 2024 (UTC) [reply]

  • Keep: Covers controversial incidents at the university, with sources like Times of India - Relocation Issues, The Hindu - Illegal Admission and few more online meeting WP:SUBSTANTIAL. Another solid one is Siasat - University Status, and maybe this: Deccan Chronicle - Industry-Academia Collaboration counts towards GNG. That said, no reason to delete but, the article is pretty rough and could use a lot of work to improve it.--— MimsMENTOR talk 13:25, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Mims Mentor: First of all, The Times of India is not a generally reliable source, so it does not count towards notability per WP:TOI. The Hindu article does not provide any in-depth coverage of the college. It mainly discusses the issue of “illegal” admissions and the government’s efforts to resolve it. While this is newsworthy, the coverage appears to be tied to a temporary controversy rather than sustained, independent coverage of the university’s broader significance, achievements, or impact.
    The Siasat article only provides small overview of the university which is trivial and includes a quotation from the university’s counselor, offering no in-depth coverage. The Deccan Chronicle article is merely a passing mention, filled with quotations from WP:PRIMARY peoples, and mentioning the university just once. Can these really make the subject pass GNG/NCORP? GrabUp - Talk 14:11, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well for TOI, with WP:RS, individual articles from TOI should be assessed based on their context and depth, the given article provides coverage of the university's relocation issues, can still count towards GNG. It’s the quality of coverage, not the general reputation, that matters for each source (plus, has a byline). Passes WP:SUBSTANTIAL. The Hindu article, the controversy is central to the university's identity and so passes WP:SUBSTANTIAL as well. For Siasat and Deccan Chronicle (no byline), are beyond trivial, both sources contribute to the cumulative notability.
    Serious controversies, collaborations, and other newsworthy events, which reflect the university’s impact and role in the community together form a solid basis for passing GNG. — MimsMENTOR talk 14:54, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • TOI: Even if I agree, the TOI article is also WP:TRIVIAL, as the source starts by stating: Students enrolled at Guru Nanak University (GNU) are expressing dissatisfaction with the state government’s decision to relocate them to other colleges. They are worried that they might be transferred to smaller colleges lacking adequate facilities and placement opportunities. The students are demanding that if the government cannot accommodate them in top-tier colleges, GNU should return their certificates and issue apology letters for hindering their academic progress. Additionally, they are seeking compensation of ₹10 lakh per student. This is the only content the TOI source provides, after which it shifts to quoting parents and students, which is irrelevant. The article does not provide any in-depth coverage of the university; it merely reports the concerns expressed by students. Therefore, this article fails to meet WP:SIGCOV or WP:SUBSTANTIAL.
  • The Hindu: It does not provide any in-depth coverage of the university. It mainly discusses the issue of "illegal" admissions and the government’s efforts to resolve it. The article discusses : 3,000 students admitted to Sreenidhi University and Guru Nanak University without state government approval are now facing uncertainty about their academic future. Despite conducting classes, the institutions were unable to hold exams due to the lack of official permission. The Telangana government, after realizing the issue, has decided to transfer these students to other private universities or colleges. However, there are several challenges, including ensuring students' academic continuity and addressing concerns about course preferences and academic delays. The article does not provide any in-depth coverage of the university itself, but only the incident. This article may contribute to notability for a page about the incident, but not for the university, as it does not provide significant coverage of the institution. Additionally, this is just one article with limited depth, so it cannot make the university pass NCORP. It fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:SUBSTANTIAL.
  • The Siasat: The source just mentions: Guru Nanak Institutions, which was recently granted “university” status by the Telangana government, has introduced undergraduate, postgraduate, and Ph.D. programs in Engineering, Life Sciences, Arts, Homeopathy, Agriculture, Hospitality, and other departments. The university, located in the state of Telangana, is paving its way to provide industry-ready students with a greater focus on industry-aligned courses and joint degree programs in association with the industry, located at Ibrahimpatnam on a sprawling 60-acre campus. After this, the article starts to quote Chancellor Gagandeep Singh Kohli, which is irrelevant. This is just a small overview or simply WP:TRIVIAL coverage of the university. It does not contribute towards GNG because it is not in-depth coverage, and therefore it fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:SUBSTANTIAL.
  • Deccan Chronicle: This article is more like a mouthpiece for the university and not at all independent. It starts by saying: Guru Nanak University (GNU) Chancellor Sardar Gagandeep Singh Kohli said industry-academia collaboration was the key to propelling the university into the ranks of India’s top educational institutions. Speaking at the HR conclave, ‘Preparing the workforce for the future’, Kohli revealed that GNU was actively incorporating industry feedback to adapt its curriculum to the demands of the modern world. The article consists mainly of quotations, with no independent journalism involved. I suspect it to be WP:NEWSORGINDIA or WP:SPONSORED.
  • These sources can't really make the university notable. The Hindu article provides coverage about the issue of illegal admissions but doesn't offer any insight into the university itself. Even if I agree that it meets WP:SIGCOV, there is only one source, and to meet WP:NCORP, multiple sources are required, which are not present here. So, the article clearly fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:NCORP. GrabUp - Talk 16:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - it appears to be a properly accredited and independent degree-awarding institution, and although online sources are not great, we generally accept that offline sources likely exist to meet the notability standards for inclusion. JMWt (talk) 18:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese occupation of India

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A non-essential disambiguation page. Obviously made up by creator, and no claim of significance. There's no such thing like "Japanese occupation of India" to begin with, nothing more than a hoax. Garudam Talk! 10:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Officer in charge (police)

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stub article with no sources and little notability LR.127 (talk) 19:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prince and Family

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Non-notable upcoming film, see WP:NFF with no extensive coverage beyond generic press releases (that I can find, at least—with the caveat that I don't read Malayalam beyond my browser's translate function) with no indication that this passes WP:NFILM or the WP:GNG. As nominator, not opposed to a drafty, but not presently notable. Bobby Cohn (talk) 16:56, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and India. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 17:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify: Aside from press releases, announcements, first-look posters, and a few trivial mentions, there are no sources that meets GNG at present. Additionally, there's no confirmed release date, with some sources speculating December 2024 or early 2025. Given that many of the crew members are well-known in the industry and the film marks the lead actor's 150th project (which is highlighted in almost every source), it's likely that significant coverage will emerge closer to the film's release.--— MimsMENTOR talk 13:52, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify per Mims Mentor: This is more like a "rush to publish to the mainspace so everyone will see that it has an article" scenario. Intrisit (talk) 20:39, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:NACTOR. Unsourced BLP. No indication of significance. Fails WP:SIGCOV scope_creepTalk 14:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gynaecologists in chennai

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Article serving no clear purpose. As written, this just generally defines what gynaecology is (a purpose already served by the article gynaecology) and briefly states that the Indian city of Chennai has gynaecologists — but there's absolutely no evidence shown here that there's anything unique about Chennai's gynaecologists that would make them different from everywhere else's gynaecologists, which is the bar that an article about this would have to clear.
You could write an almost identical article about every other city in the entire world, so there would have to be a lot more uniquely city-specific substance than just "the city has gynaecological services, the end" to justify it.
And it's referenced almost entirely to general sources footnoting the "general universal concept of gynaecology" stuff, with the only source that's specific to Chennai being a government-published directory of the city's hospitals that says absolutely nothing about gynaecology at all, so even the sourcing is failing to demonstrate that gynaecology in Chennai needs its own standalone article independently of gynaecology everywhere else. Bearcat (talk) 22:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Susmita Bhattacharya

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Since the subject does not meet the notability criteria under WP:NACADEMIC, it requires significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. Currently, the subject is supported by primary sources and has only an h-index of 7, which is insufficient to establish notability by academic standards. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 15:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Varun Ahuja

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Fails WP:NM or WP:COMPOSER, I searched about the subject but didn't find much substantial information (WP:BEFORE). The Hindustan Times article stands out as slightly better and provides relevant insights about the subject. Baqi:) (talk) 10:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MV Ramana Reddy

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Just mere mentions in the press. Article creator blocked as SOCK. Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 09:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meets WP:ARTIST criterion 4a: the Telangana Martyrs Memorial is surely a significant sculpture. Source 4 is also certainly not a "mere mention". The article creator isn't blocked though? Procyon117 (talk) 14:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, Procyon117, they have a clean block log. Mistakes happen though, no big deal. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:41, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: A strong pass to GNG is Telangana Martyrs Memorial. While the other coverage's are not exhaustive, highlighting his impact in the regional art community and public memorial design, passes notability.--— MimsMENTOR talk 14:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shalini Passi

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Not meet WP:BIO. Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 09:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arab conquest of Kaikan

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There's no such event/conquest that lasted till three centuries. It's clearly a messed up WP:SYNTH article. The sources are poorly cited, some of the non RS'es were being dealt with but even RS'es do not testify and established the WP:GNG & WP:SIGCOV of "Arab conquest of Kaikan (658-9th century)" Garudam Talk! 09:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fake article 2001:4479:5D07:1700:C4B1:8C97:3807:AC0A (talk) 07:56, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

King (2025)

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Seems to be only referenced with press releases. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 04:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aranmula Kottaram

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Contested draft. Poorly sourced, and a WP:BEFORE search turns up little. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is anyone able to tell if this is a duplicate of Aranmula Vadake Kottaram (Northern Palace)? Turtlecrown (talk) 15:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Turtlecrown It certainly seems like that. I've redirected, in part to see what happens. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:51, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mangral

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Article is entirely unsourced and poorly written. The underlying purpose of the article seems to be to glorify the community rather than write an encyclopaedic article. The books detailed at the bottom of the article don't seem particularly reliable either and no page numbers are provided. Ixudi (talk) 18:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

4meter4. Hope other editors also chip in because it's a lengthy article that somehow ended up without any References....Ngrewal1 (talk) 02:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adani University

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Per WP:NSCHOOL, Universities need to satisfy the stringent WP:NORG in order to have an article on Wikipedia. There are indeed sources here, but they are only discussing announcements of either opening of the university or its accreditation by Indian authorities, which is only WP:ROUTINE coverage not WP:SIGCOV, they may also fall under the purview of WP:NEWSORGINDIA - Ratnahastin (talk) 07:16, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Draftify Yes, many of the sources in the article are reprints of press releases or trivial coverage, but not all. I checked the WP:RSPSS entry for the Times of India and there are concerns with fact-checking and ensuring paid advertorials (particularly in entertainment) are not used, but the facts of the articles published on Adani University do not appear to be disputed and as far as I could tell these were not paid advertorials. I think this is probably notable based on the sources identified and, particularly needing in mind that local sources may not be in English, I would vote to keep on notability grounds. However, this is a three sentence article with a large number of low-quality sources, often repeating the same press releases. It would not hurt to draftify the article to allow time for better sources to be identified and a better article to be written. Robminchin (talk) 08:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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References

  1. ^ "Adani University inks MoU with VJoist Innovation". Deccan Chronicle. 27 February 2024. Retrieved 21 March 2024.
  2. ^ Chhapia, Hemali (23 February 2024). "MOU to collaborate on academics and research". The Times of India. Retrieved 21 March 2024.
  3. ^ "Adani University Granted University Status By Assembly". The Times of India. 4 April 2022. Retrieved 21 March 2024.
  4. ^ "Adani Group receives approval to set up university in Ahmedabad". Business Standard. 3 April 2022. Retrieved 21 March 2024.
  5. ^ Bhaskar, R.N. (2022). Gautam Adani: Reimagining Business in India and the World. Penguin Random House India Private Limited. p. 20. ISBN 978-93-5492-763-8. Retrieved 22 March 2024.
  6. ^ "UNIVERSITY GRANTS COMMISSION Total No. of Universities in the Country as on 25.01.2023" (PDF). Retrieved 22 March 2024.
  7. ^ "Adani University Holds First Convocation — Preeti Adani Emphasises Innovation, Research Focus". NDTV Profit. 5 October 2024. Retrieved 26 November 2024.
  8. ^ ""Chairman's vision to create university of excellence", Priti Adani at Adani University's first convocation". ANI News. 5 October 2024. Retrieved 26 November 2024.
  9. ^ "Adani University Felicitates Four Gold Medalists, 69 MBA, MTech Post Graduates At Inaugural Convocation". News24. 6 October 2024. Retrieved 26 November 2024.
  10. ^ "Adani University inks pact with VJoist Innovation to transform Indian academic arena". Bizzbuzz. 5 March 2024. Retrieved 26 November 2024.
  11. ^ "Adani University accorded status by Gujarat Legislative Assembly". Ahmedabad Mirror. 3 April 2022. Retrieved 26 November 2024.
  12. ^ "Adani University Holds First Convocation; 69 Postgraduates Honored". G R Mukesh. Free Press Journal. 5 October 2024. Retrieved 26 November 2024.
  13. ^ "Chairman's vision is to create university of excellence, says Priti Adani at Adani University's first convocation". ETEducation.com. 7 October 2024. Retrieved 26 November 2024.
  14. ^ Focus, ABP Live (6 July 2022). "Adani University Hosts Global Education Forum". ABP Live. Retrieved 26 November 2024.
  15. ^ "Adani University committed to shape new India: Dr Priti Adani". The Hans India. 5 October 2024. Retrieved 26 November 2024.
  16. ^ Sharma, S. (2022). ProjectX India: 15th April 2022 edition. ProjectX India. Sandeep Sharma. p. 47. Retrieved 26 November 2024.

Amar Hoskote

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Non-notable actor, none of the sources in the article meet WP:RS, and a BEFORE search brings up nothing. Fails WP:NBIO. CoconutOctopus talk 08:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Pretty clear as of right now. Tolozen (talk) 09:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iddaru (2024)

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Duplicate article of another one that exists hidden in the page history of Iddaru (2024 film), which is clearly about the same film, though it isn't entirely clear why that article was BLARed. Both articles should be merged if kept. CycloneYoris talk! 08:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is Oppanda Kannada Language Movie releaseed in 2022, But Iddaru is remake Movie in Telugu Languagw Movie. The Iddaru (2024 film) can be Murged or redirected to this article Sudheerbs (talk) 08:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CycloneYoris: can you explain what are the reasons for deletion for this article?
The history seems to be
@TSventon: I haven't expressed any desire to delete this article, and brought it to AfD mainly because of the duplicate article that exists, which is why I suggested to merge it with the existing one. CycloneYoris talk! 22:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Had this discussion before, this is a kannada movie dubbed in telugu and @Dareshmohan has confirmed this. So, we can merge with Oppanda article and mention iddaru is its telugu version comment added by Herodyswaroop (talk • contribs) 12:13, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As per the comment at the Indian cinema taskforce here, even if they are reshot partially, it still doesn’t need a separate article. If we are to delve into original research, they reshot a single dialogue in Telugu here vs the original here. The makers of the film were smart enough to release the same trailer as the original version. Complete with English dialogues, only the English dialogues would be in lip sync. When the trailer itself lacks lip sync, do you expect the film to be a straight film?
Regarding the Telugu wiki, even dubbed Telugu films get an article there. Apart from Hindi, since the 1990s several films have been dubbed in Telugu and became mainstream. DareshMohan (talk) 20:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lakhan Rawat

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The same reason applies as it did for Lakhan Singh (cricketer). I do not believe the subject meets the WP:GNG criteria. Furthermore, there is no significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) available about the subject's career as a cricketer, which directly fails the WP:NCRIC. Additionally, the article's creator is currently blocked. Baqi:) (talk) 11:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sino-Kannauj War

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A mere raid that has been vaguely stretched into a War article. RSes do not refer to it as "Sino-Kannauj War", full of WP:HOAX. The article clearly fails to establish WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 12:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep:@HistoryofAryavart Why there cant be a article? And better check sources and it has a coverage in sources a mere raid doesnt mean it cant have a article and what hoax? whicj info is wrong this Afd seems to based on your POV theres quit ample content for a article title can be changed. Also the theres literally a newsarticle over this in references this suggests that its quit notable.
Edasf«Talk» 12:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC) Edasf«Talk» 12:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another thing about notability you completely ignored that its even listed at China-India relations article dont think a non notable thing would be listed here. Edasf«Talk» 13:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's not how it works. News articles and blogs are not RSes please go through WP:MILNG and WP:RS. I have checked all of the cited sources and non of it explicitly describes "Sino-Kannauj War". The issue of HOAX and GNG still remains unless the article is backed by reliable source that can corroborate to the topic and not some attack or raid. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 13:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@HistoryofAryavart Newsa article isnt only source there and there are also books who are definitely RS by Reliable authors and I have moved page Edasf«Talk» 13:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's nothing to be found about "Sino-Kannauj War" in the sources, quote the sources explicitly mentioning this event. And please do not move the article while the Afd is going on. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 13:23, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Heres one Prabhod Chandra Bagchi (2011) "The very same year 647 the Wang Xuance was sent to another imperial mission to Magadha.On his arrival he found that Harsha had died and his minister Arunasva King of Tirabhukti had usurped the throne.The Chinese mission wasnt well recieved its escorts murdered and treasures plundered,Wang Xuance manage to save himself and fled to Nepal which was allied to China through Tibet.There he gathered the milltary support from mercenary Nepali and Tibetan troops and marched on Magadha" Its not full quote theres more but I dont have time you can check the source only.@HistoryofAryavart Edasf«Talk» 13:36, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename There is sufficient coverage for the historical event however the invasion took place purely in the Tirhut/Mithila region of Northern Bihar and Arunasava/Arjuna is described as being the governor or ruler of Tirhut first and foremost hence I believe the article should be renamed to reflect this e.g. the Chinese Invasion of Tirhut.Ixudi (talk) 14:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ixudi I am OK for it Edasf«Talk» 14:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well the historians don't even consider the Chinese accounts as reliable or based on historical events but a hoax. For eg see what Majumdar has to say on this event:
    • p. 125

      In any case, it is impossible to draw any reliable conclusion from this picture of an invincible hero painted by himself.

    • p. 124

      But the Chinese account of the embassy of Wang-hiuen-tse which, as noted above, reached India immediately after the death of Harsha, has preserved some curious details of the history of this period. Accustomed as we are to the exaggeration and self-adulation of the Chinese writers, this account beats all records and reads more like a romance or a string of fables than sober history.

    The article is based on a fictional account and the hero (Wang-hiuen-tse) is painted by himself. The issue of WP:HOAX still remains and there's no reason for this article to be kept in article mainspace. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 14:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @HistoryofAryavart We can still as a article since you gave several more content if it has coverage then we can keep it after some redraw and your source doesn't completely denies its existence. Edasf«Talk» 14:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, the article is purely based on a fabricated account and I have quoted the source to show that it's full of hoaxes, hence Majumdar concludes:
    • p. 126

      On the whole, the story of Wang-hiuen-tse has little historical value, except as a general indication of the anarchy and confusion prevailing in North Biliar and the neighbouring region after the death of Harsha. What happened to the kingdoms of Thaneswar or Kanauj we cannot say, but there is no ground to suppose that Harsha’s death was followed by a political upheaval in the whole of North India.

    HistoryofAryavart (talk) 14:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @HistoryofAryavart First of all there are other sources as well which do consider it historical and Majumdar is not complete RS since he's no longer a introductory textbooks and his nationalist nature.You need multiple source and Majumdar's interpretations can definitely added in Article but this isn't concrete to delete article. Edasf«Talk» 15:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is not a case WP:HOAX beacuse the article is based on actual stories. Rather the actual article should be edited to reflect that the events detailed in the stories may not necessarily be historically accurate. Ixudi (talk) 15:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have shown how this Chinese account is not taken seriously. And the event doesn't get enough coverage, much less 5-6 lines of passing mentions which doesn't warrant a standalone article, that said it could have been merged into a parent article. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 15:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What 5-6 line passages? There are 5-6 pages of it in sources and we usually have separate articles for wars and on what grounds you consider it incapable your POV? Edasf«Talk» 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And Ixudi already told that it has sufficient coverage even a 5-6 line passage is if it has coverage. Edasf«Talk» 15:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The quote that you excerpted from the Bagchi (2011) has no more than 6 lines of coverage. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 18:44, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thats not full quote and coverage matters. Edasf«Talk» 08:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And I'm exactly talking about the "full quote" in the source. Garudam Talk! 13:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Well I have reviewed the sources itself. The topics outrightly fails SIGCOV and the issue of HOAX remains, this topic should have been rather included in parent pages, say Pushyabhuti dynasty but I don't think it clears the certain criterias to have a standalone article. Garudam Talk! 13:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Garudam The HOAX is already cleared by Ixudi stop repeating reasonings and again Wars tend to have separate article it helps clear confusion and correct all your signatures above since you changed name and coverage matter. Edasf«Talk» 15:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Lakhan Singh (cricketer)

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I don’t believe the subject meets WP:GNG criteria. Furthermore, there is no significant coverage available about the subject as a cricketer, which directly fails WP:NCRIC. Additionally, the creator of the article is currently blocked. Baqi:) (talk) 13:36, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Serah (actress)

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Delete - my WP:BEFORE turned up nothing of substance to support the subject's notability with regard to WP:NACTOR. Based on the scanty information in the article as it stands, the subject wasn't mentioned in any review I could find. That said, it is difficult to unearth any needles from the haystack of results that come from only being able to search for a one word name, and a search on the subject's full name (extracted from https://web.archive.org/web/20090602050929/http://www.serahs.net:80/) turned up just four hits. I would happily rescind my nomination if someone, e.g. the creating author, were able to support notability. SunloungerFrog (talk) 10:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ex Muslim Sahil

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Only one citation in India Today is good, in my view. Looking at other, Dainik Bhaskar is just an Interview which doesn't contribute to Notability. Rest 2, one of Delhi Magazine and another of TheSportsGrail are not enough to prove Notability. TheChronikler7 (talk) 18:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I support keeping the article about Ex-Muslim Sahil as it meets the WP:NOTABILITY criteria. The article has been significantly improved, with the inclusion of multiple reliable sources (RS), making it a viable candidate for a standalone Wikipedia entry.

1. Multiple Reliable Sources: The references, such as those from India Today, Times of India, and other independent media sources (including Ref 1, 2, and 5), provide substantial coverage of Sahil's contributions and presence in media debates, specifically in relation to his views on Islam. These sources fulfill the General Notability Guideline (GNG), showing significant attention from independent entities.

2. Media Appearances and Coverage: As seen in the HW News article, Sahil has appeared on major Indian news platforms, such as News Nation, discussing his transition from Islam and critical views of religious practices. His role in such public debates adds to his notability and supports the presence of coverage beyond personal social media channels.

3. Improvement and Editorial Oversight: The article's significant improvement, with better coverage and more authoritative sources, showcases its merit for a standalone article. Per HistoryofAryavart, the inclusion of these diverse sources adds credibility to the article’s claim of notability.

4. Social Media Influence: Sahil's presence in media debates and on YouTube further solidifies his influence, demonstrating his role in shaping conversations about religion. The sources cited, including news outlets like India Today and The Times of India, are crucial in establishing his media presence and influence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pitush Puttar (talk • contribs)

Yogasana at the 2023 National Games of India

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. No sources except for stats database and as a result the article is stats-only. I'm requesting a more lengthy & thorough review of this to provide a bit of guidance for many like this that are sitting in the old part of NPP que. Under similar ones I've seen somebody just saying "coverage probably exists" without providing it, and without even arguing (much less establishing) that GNG coverage exists or that it is coverage of this topic. (not of something which just might fall under this topic, and not of something that this topic might fall under.) My own opinion is that something that is at least close to GNG coverage on this topic (not necessarily meeting the strictest interpretation of what GNG coverage is) would need to be added to the article to establish wp:notability, IMO a sort of "middle of the road" practical interpretation. North8000 (talk) 15:44, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of wars involving the Mughal Empire

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Perhaps I dont understand whats need of this redirect it seems as POV Fork and should simply merged with List of Battles involving Mughal Empire and that article should see some improvement.I certainly see that by this we are simply giving someone a peak level of confusion. Edasf«Talk» 13:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I couldn't find a List of Battles involving Mughal Empire article. There's a List of battles between Mughals and Sikhs, but it doesn't cover many of the wars stated in the article. IdanST (talk) 15:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@IdanST List of battles involving the Mughal Empire Edasf«Talk» 15:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you're right.
However, I see the article was changed to contain only wars redirects, with a 'See also' redirect to List of battles involving the Mughal Empire. As such, both articles fulfill different roles now, and because of that I remain on 'Keep'. IdanST (talk) 20:11, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@IdanST It was done recently so, my problem is over. Edasf«Talk» 03:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The two article deal with quite different subjects, and the content forking in the article was of recent nature, now previous version restored. Sutyarashi (talk) 17:09, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sutyarashi I don't know what one gets from such a disambiguation page but ol fine. Edasf«Talk» 17:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Last One (film)

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WP:TOOEARLY. Draftify. This article looks like a PR work for Lokesh Kumar if anything. No indication that the film started filming or is going to release anytime soon. The director's page mentions that this film is in preproduction. DareshMohan (talk) 07:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Vanvaas

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Upcoming film with no independent or secondary sources. Draftified to allow for more development but immediately restored to mainspace. All the sources are sponsored content or press releases. bonadea contributions talk 07:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, both sources are in the article (more than once I think — there's a lot of duplicate sources in there, and a lot of disruptive refbombing with more and more copies of the same crap advertorials) and they are worse than useless. Unless there are independent sources there shouldn't be an article. --bonadea contributions talk 16:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify: I am not too much into this but while I do think that Indeed the page has not been created properly, I believe it can significantly be improved as there is not much time left in the release of this movie. I believe the page should be draftified once again, the author has already been blocked indefinitely and now I believe the other editors will be able to improve the draft and add independent, reliable sources to establish notability and submit it for AfC once it's ready. -- AstuteFlicker (talk) 18:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AstuteFlicker:, just to clarify, are you voting to keep or draftify?--CNMall41 (talk) 06:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry :).. That is the reason why I said I am not too much into this. I meant to Draftify this article again... AstuteFlicker (talk) 09:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify - Just because it is about to be released is no reason to keep a page that does not meet notability guidelines. Draftify until the release and there are reviews, unless it can be shown there is something notable about the production. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The film has garnered SigCov in sources such as Times of India, India Today, and DNA India. These outlets have extensively reported on the film's promotional activities, cast, and production details and so passes WP:NFF. Also, with ongoing media attention, it is likely to gain further SigCov, reinforcing its notability.--— MimsMENTOR talk 14:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I saw those references as well, but which ones are considered reliable? I am specifically asking about the reference, not the publication as these are non-bylined sources falling under churnalism or WP:NEWSORGINDIA.--CNMall41 (talk) 18:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I recommend seeking out current sources, as there are enough secondary coverages available. As I mentioned earlier, with the movie set to release in less than a month, media attention around its post-production and details is increasing daily, particularly given that many of the cast and crew members are well-known figures in the industry. — MimsMENTOR talk 19:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have sought out current sources. You I cannot find them. You have failed to provide them upon me asking for them. The fact it releases in less than a month is not a reason to keep something that does not have the significant coverage to show notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak keep with draftify as second choice. My first impulse was that a film not yet released is usually not notable, but a cursory look at the sources has changed my mind. I will defer to anyone who has read them in depth. I did not. Will note that notability may change. An upcoming film may be cease to be notable if it later flops or proves unimportant. Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Karma - When Destiny Strikes Back

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No sources meeting WP:SIGCOV or even minimally satisfying WP:NFSOURCES have been found, fails WP:GNG. The provided sources offer only trivial mentions of the movie. — MimsMENTOR talk 15:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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S. V. S. Rama Rao

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Unsourced since January 2009. The only source I can find for him - at least in english sources - is IMDb, which is not considered RS on its own. Smallangryplanet (talk) 10:54, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shalabam

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Fails WP:NFILM. No reliable reviews from Rediff.com and Sify.com [8]. The only 2 reliable sources are passing mentions. DareshMohan (talk) 06:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mayur Chauhan

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Subject was twice declined in AfC and also fails NACTOR, as the subject has not had significant roles in notable films or shows. There is no significant coverage in reliable, independent sources apart from the WP:OR added by User:Saurang Vara who denies any COI despite being familiar with the subject's personal information. The subject's role in Chhello Divas does not appear to be significant and none of the other films have substantial content to be considered when evaluating Mayur Chauhan according to NACTOR. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 12:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What makes you say his 3 roles in productions that have a page on this WP are not significant? And why should Karsandas Pay & Use be considered non-notable? I found some coverage about Saiyar Mori Re too. He seems to meet WP:NACTOR, -Mushy Yank. 13:47, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The mentioned films do not meet WP:NFOE/ WP:NFILM. Karsandas Pay & Use has two reviews, one from TOI with an unknown critic and another from an unknown website. Saiyar Mori Re has no reception section and Samandar (film) has two local reviews! From a WP:BEFORE search, none of these films have been distributed outside Gujarat. Just because these films have articles on Wikipedia does not mean they are notable in the first place to be used as evaluation criteria for Mayur Chauhan. Either way, there is zero coverage of the subject in reliable independent sources. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 14:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If a critic writes for a national publication such as Times of India he is considered nationally known as per discussions at WP:NFILM Atlantic306 (talk) 01:06, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discusisons on What is a "nationally-known critic"? and "Nationally-known critic" as it relates to films of India aren't closed and there is no consensus either. Let me know if I have missed any archived discussions. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 06:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussions are ended and there is a clear consensus Atlantic306 (talk) 23:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For argument's sake, even if the not-yet-closed discussion is considered as consensus for what you have claimed, there is still only one review in a national publication. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 04:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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War 2 (2025 film)

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Moved to draft based on AfD discussion. Multiple attempts at recreation since that time with several of them being moved back to draft space. Now another SPA creating it in mainspace. Nothing notable about the production and not scheduled for release until a year from now. References are mainly announcements, but again, nothing notable about the production so falls under WP:TOOSOON. Recommend delete and protecting the title at this point. CNMall41 (talk) 22:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It has been disruptive and continues to be. The drafts need nuked and title protected. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify per above responses. Probably merge all the drafts into either Draft:War 2 or Draft:War 2 (2025 film) (not sure how listing years work in Wiki film articles, assuming the year is listed if there is more than one film with the same name?) and delete the rest. I don't know how to merge so I'll leave that to someone else. Procyon117 (talk) 16:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Parents' Worship Day

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Per WP:INHERITED, this subject has got little coverage only because of its creator Asaram. The coverage of this subject is nil since Asaram's own image is going through a deep crisis for many years. - Ratnahastin (talk) 12:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: Parents Worship Day is a widely celebrated festival in India. It is well recognized by government officials. As stated in the article: It is officially celebrated by the Chhattisgarh Govt in schools and colleges as ordered by the Chief Minister. State government led by the Bharatiya Janata Party made it an official celebration. In 2017 the District collector in Madhya Pradesh issued a notice for schools to celebrate it and so on. There are a lot of independent and reliable references which prove the validity of these statements. This article must not be nominated for discussion just because the image of the initiator i.e. Asaram Bapu is under crisis. Wikipedia is a platform that depends on facts and notability of an article and this festival is being celebrated since more than 10 years in India and it's a compulsory program to attend for thousands of school students all over India. SukritiVarma (talk) 09:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)— Note: An editor has expressed a concern that SukritiVarma (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. (diff)[reply]
  • Keep: Parents Worship Day is day that's being celebrated officially by the government now. This celebration is compulsory in schools as is evident by these references: [1][2] There are lot more such references, I don't see any valid reason why this page was nominated for deletion, it must be retained. SushasiniGupta (talk) 03:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)— Note: An editor has expressed a concern that SushasiniGupta (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. (diff)[reply]
Both of your sources are only saying that this was a government action. Not every day propagated by the government needs to have their own article. Same way we have no article on "Samvidhan Hatya Diwas".[11] CharlesWain (talk) 04:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Parents Worship Day is not just a government action, this is a festival that's quite widely accepted by the masses. Since this is a festival that celebrates emotional bond between parents and children, so people of all religion are accepting it. It cannot be compared with Samvidhan Hatya Diwas. Because this festival is celebrated by masses not only in India but in abroad as well.
1. Even Muslims are celebrating this day as Abba Ammi Ibadat Diwas [12]
2. Sanatan Dharam Sabha Celebrates “Matra Pitra Poojan Diwas” [13]
3. News coverage: More than 10,000 people celebrated this event in Kurla [14] SushasiniGupta (talk) 13:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. The existence of this article, at the present moment, tantamounts to WP:SOAP. CharlesWain (talk) 04:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note - Both of the editors who voted for "keep" above are blatant WP:SPAs and have edited nothing outside this topic.[15][16] CharlesWain (talk) 04:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As per WP: Neutral Point of View - Articles with reliable sources must be retained, even if the subject is controversial. Decisions in Wikipedia's Articles for Deletion discussions are determined by the strength of arguments based on policies, such as WP:Notability, rather than the edit count of participants. My reasoning highlights the independent cultural significance of Parents Worship Day and its coverage in reliable sources, demonstrating that the topic's notability extends beyond its association with its creator. SushasiniGupta (talk) 13:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please don't use an AI platform to write AfD rationales, or copy basic AfD policies we should all already know. Nate • (chatter) 23:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Per nom. No SIGCOV or any long lasting effect. INHERITED is fulfilled. The keep !votes are misleading and do not bring up any credible argument based on our P&Gs. — Benison (Beni · talk) 09:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Parents Worship Day has become a cultural event observed by various schools and communities, reflecting its relevance beyond its initial introduction. The day promotes values of respect and gratitude toward parents, which hold significance in societal traditions. Multiple independent sources have documented its observance, indicating it has received attention outside of its originator’s influence. Removing the article would overlook an established practice that resonates with many individuals and groups. I'mAll4 Wiki (talk) 16:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)— Note: An editor has expressed a concern that I'mAll4 Wiki (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. (diff)[reply]
  • Keep : Per WP:DLC dislike for the subject or Dislike of the creator should not be reason for over-zealous article deletion, the notability of the article should be independently assessed. The nominator of this deletion lists down very plainly their dislike for creator, without arguing on quality or notability of article itself.
If we can find multiple secondary sources WP:DIVERSE covering this event outside any reference to its creator, this article should not be deleted
WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE across years (even after presumed interest waning on creator) is another factor in favor of this article
  1. https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-jammu-redefines-the-day-as-mother-father-worship-day-2584739 authored by Ishfaq-ul-Hassan on DNA India
  2. https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/archive/community/parents-worship-day-on-february-14-40462/ on The Tribune India
Nisingh.8 (talk) 18:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They merely noted the subject is controversial and has a shaky public image. Hardly anywhere near WP:IDLI and just stating a known fact. Nate • (chatter) 23:16, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @MrSchimpf - i was also merely stating that deletion nomination did not highlight anything apart from creator image and per Wikipedia:INHERITED if creator’s notability cannot be used to lend notability to article, vice-versa also may not apply Nisingh.8 (talk) 09:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your first source is at best a news release as it concerns celebration of this day by Satsang Prachar Sewa Mandal. Your second source does not even have author information and uses a byline, it's very clearly a press release per WP:NEWSORGINDIA. - Ratnahastin (talk) 00:41, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.hindustantimes.com/ranchi/government-school-students-to-worship-parents-in-jharkhand/story-mBGxvrH4HW33cOOZarLSSL.html
  2. ^ https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/madhya-pradesh-chhindwara-collector-asks-people-to-worship-their-parents-on-valentines-day/545893/

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  • Redirect to Asaram#Teachings and views, which is much clearer about the event than this collection of press releases barely holding this article together, and which has nothing at all (I can't even call it a false balance) from those who still wish to celebrate Valentine's Day and their opposition to this event. Nate • (chatter) 21:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    On what basis are you calling independent news coverages as press release?
    If people in India are celebrating Parents Worship Day and government is also making the celebration compulsory in schools, that itself proves how widely this is being adopted in India. It's okay that other people in Western countries or even in India prefer celebrating Valentine's Day but that doesn't mean you are going to delete this page.SushasiniGupta (talk) 16:24, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Most of the stories specifically say that very few actual people wanted to celebrate it and it was forced upon them as an administrative or government mandate rather than an organic celebration. One of the stories is literally a state education minister putting out PR for the holiday to cover up the subject's various public issues. There are no counter-sources about how others feel about a holiday being forced upon them when another holiday has existed for hundreds of years to celebrate, and the vast majority of sources here talk about veneration of parents, even if they do completely unforgivable things, over loving others. There's no balance here to be found, just blatant PR for an effort to force a holiday upon people. Nate • (chatter) 17:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    On what basis are you saying it's a forced one, there are lots of references where students became emotional and expressed gratitude for celebrating the unique bond that they have with parents.
    Here is the quote from this reference [17]: "We invited our parents to the school and offered them flowers, worshipped them and finally sought their blessings," said Nishant Mishra, a Class-V student
    "It was really a very touching moment for me. At least these children would learn how important parents are for them," Lipsa Parida, a mother of two boys.
    Since these are quotes, now don't tell me these 5th class kids and their parents are doing PR. they are expressing what they felt and this is covered in news.
    Even Muslims students were touched by this day, another quote[18] Aliya Pathan, a student, said, “In Islam, they say that jannat is beneath your parents’ feet and they should be treated with a lot of respect. So, we decided to celebrate Valentine’s Day by pledging to take care of our parents.” Umair Sheikh, another student, said, “Love comes in so many forms. SushasiniGupta (talk) 14:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Given the detailed history and widespread adoption of Parents' Worship Day across various Indian states and institutions, the topic demonstrates cultural significance and societal impact. The celebration has been officially recognized by state governments such as Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, and Gujarat, and has gained support from educational institutions, NGOs, and community organizations. Independent media coverage highlights its relevance as a family-centric alternative to Valentine's Day. These factors satisfy Wikipedia’s general notability guidelines, making it an important cultural phenomenon worth retaining as an article. Exposethefacts (talk) 02:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)— Note: An editor has expressed a concern that Exposethefacts (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. (diff)[reply]
    The Gptzero result for this comment came to be 73% AI generated. Also real world notability=/= Wikipedia notability, you have to prove how this article satisfies Wikipedia guidelines and standards on that. - Ratnahastin (talk) 02:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    (Replying after relisting) @Ratnahastin I was trying to broaden up on coverage and notability of event outside its creator, and while below is not comprehensive lists but could eaily find mentions on observance of this event/day at many other places below via simple search -
    Nisingh.8 (talk) 09:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If all you could find are some random no name schools celebrating this day, then I'm afraid you are only corroborating my point that real world notability=/=Wikipedia notability. - Ratnahastin (talk) 10:15, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For an article to be notable on Wikipedia, there should be reliable, independent sources, and there exists multiple such sources for Parents Worship Day page. Following are few of the reliable sources for your verification. FYI: These are from the most reliable news websites in India such as : BBC, Times of India etc.
    It's official: Chhattisgarh renames Valentines Day as 'Matru-Pitru Diwas'. [1]
    Parents Worship Day: After Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand To Implement Jailed Godman Asaram’s Advice [2][3]
    Chhattisgarh makes Parents Worship Day a compulsory observance in schools on February 14 [4]
    FYI: I hope you got a gist of how this is notable in terms of Wiki policies, please refer the article and go through all the 30+ references present there. This is a discussion not a list of references so I mentioned only 4. SushasiniGupta (talk) 14:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Real World notability and Wiki notability both criteria are met in this particular article since this festival is famous in real world and a lot of reliable ref links exist to suffice the notabilitySushasiniGupta (talk) 16:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Parents' Worship Day Wiki page is supported by independent, reliable and multiple reference links. This is a day that's celebrated across India since the theme has an emotional touch. That's the reason why even though the initiator Asaram Bapu's image is under question currently but this concept has been widely adopted even by government and general public. Just do a Google Search and see tons of references for the enormous acceptance and recognition of this festival.
Those trying to delete this article seem to be doing so just because of initiator's image as mentioned in the comment of the person who initiated the deletion process. But Wiki is not a place to target a page for deletion because the initiator is out of favor.
Let's say a person founded a company or was instrumental in initiating or promulgation of a concept like Tree Plantation Day etc. a concept that is getting wide recognition by public and founder was jailed later, would you delete the company's page as well? Wiki is not a place to target initiatives just because they are from someone whose actions you do not support. Seems an irrelevant discussion and people who saying delete are acting out of emotion not logic. Remember this festival is no longer only associated with its initiator Asaram Bapu, it's now a celebration across countless schools and colleges. Nandwanirajesh (talk) 06:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)— Note: An editor has expressed a concern that Nandwanirajesh (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. (diff)[reply]
I'm going to repeat this one more time; there is a non-existent balance with this article where it talks only in glowing terms about the holiday, its inventor, and how it's being used as an alternative to V-Day and being forced upon others without any question or criticism. Local school newsletters are not only non-notable, but also non-neutral, and the fact it is being made compulsory to celebrate when V-Day is a completely voluntary holiday needs to be elaborated on, and at this point this feels like an article that never has any intentions about talking about it neutrally. Finally, stating the inventor has some controversial views is not the reason for deletion here and is supported by BLP and will not be removed. Nate • (chatter) 19:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Apart from references already contained in the article, can find this topic being covered in WP:SECONDARY sources such as research papers[7] which critically analyze the introduction of event and its relevance in South Asian culture among other things. As such find notability criteria met Naveentirthani (talk) 12:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)— Note: An editor has expressed a concern that Naveentirthani (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. (diff)[reply]
    But where does this source provide any coverage to this subject? Can you also tell why you never edited any AfD before this one? - Ratnahastin (talk) 12:32, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Here is the quote from the International Journal of Postcolonial Studies: Kothari, R., & Shah, A. (2017). Dil Se: Love, Fantasy and Negotiation in Hindi Film Songs. Interventions, 19(4), 532–549. DOI: 10.1080/1369801X.2017.1294101 [24]
    - "Francesca Orsini mentions that although romantic love – using either the English term or its Indian equivalent, prem – became an established ideal by the beginning of the twentieth century, the patriarchal system has made few allowances for it or the emergence of the modern couple (2006, 33). The substitution of Valentine’s Day with Parents’ Worship Day in the pamphlet above zones in on one of the deepest anxieties in South Asia: the supplanting of the family with the selfishness of the couple. The use of the Sanskrit words “Matr[u] DevoBhava” and “Pitr[u]DevoBhava”, followed by an English translation, is a conscious linguistic strategy to establish both the cultural continuity and antiquity of this goal."
    If you wish to read download the complete journal, you may try this link: [25] or [26]
    Apart from that, I am a contributor to this article, so it is obvious for me to participate in this ongoing discussion. I don't know why you are expecting me to participate in multiple AFD discussions in order to share my views here. I am an editor of this article and I think that reason is more than enough for justifying my participation in this discussion. Naveentirthani (talk) 15:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. According to this it has become an official government recognized holiday in certain parts of India. That would seem encyclopedic.4meter4 (talk) 10:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No mention of any "holiday" there. You are misrepresenting the source. - Ratnahastin (talk) 11:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Just the terminology difference, @4meter4 meant to say government recognized celebration. As mentioned in the source: The Rajasthan government decided to include this in the Department of Education’s school calendar from 2025 and it "must" be celebrated as Matri-Pitri Pujan Day. SushasiniGupta (talk) 11:49, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 01:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I am coming in having never heard of this topic, and what an utter headscratcher. Some of these articles are bizarre. The India TV one has some of the strangest prose I've ever seen in what ostensibly is a news article but, perhaps because India is not my topic specialty, reads like The Onion: As per the latest reports the saffron outfit's leaders will be monitoring social networking sites too. Those posting love-you messages on social networking sites will be caught hold of and forced to tie the knot. The article as it stands does not seem to get at the reason for the existence of this observance and is laden with mostly trivial facts. The understanding the references are giving me is that this is an alternate observance favored by BJP-aligned education ministries in a handful of Indian states for religious reasons. That may not be enough to sustain an entire article and, with a handful of the relevant references, may be worth the merge to Asaram because this is clearly a plausible search term. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:57, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Indian news sources are absolutely horrible for establishing any form of notability. See WP:NEWSORGINDIA and Godi Media. Most of them do not even identify the reporter or author of the article they always tend to have generic bylines. This article is just a promotional POV fork of Asaram#Teachings and views where a more critical commentary exists. Even the users who are supporting keeping this article have not edited Wikipedia for months or years prior or are very inexperienced or have only edited Asaram topic area. This article was also a favourite target of a sockfarm in past too see [[27]. - Ratnahastin (talk) 02:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I'm familiar with NEWSORGINDIA. Really, once you peel back the layers of promotional "news" content, you have an observance that does exist and has been put on state school calendars, and that's about it. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 14:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay, then let's focus on those references which are considered as WP:GREL by WP:RSPSOURCES
    • BBC News: As per WP:RSPBBC, BBC sources are considered generally reliable:
    This reference[28] has 'Parent's Worship Day' in India section.
    •The Indian Express: WP:INDIANEXP states: The Indian Express is considered generally reliable under the news organizations guideline.
    Almost every year, this reliable news channel has covered Parents Worship Day grand celebrations or govt. guidelines:
    In 2012: V-Day to be Matri-Pitra Divas in Chhattisgarh schools. Chief Minister Raman Singh announced that all government and private schools in Chhattisgarh will observe Parents Worship Day on February 14 every year. [29]
    In 2015: Amdavadis celebrate Parents Worship Day.[30]
    In 2017: Collector in Madhya Pradesh asks people to worship their parents on Valentine’s Day. This picture of govt. issued noticed is also attached in this news.[31]
    In 2020: On Valentine’s Day, ‘Matru-Pitru Pujan Diwas’ for Gujarat schools as per District Educational Office circular.[32]
    • The Atlantic: The Atlantic is considered generally reliable. It mentions - another Hindu group is once again running a campaign to replace Valentine’s Day with “Parents’ Worship Day”[33]
    I have just mentioned a few of the sources which are WP:GREL and skipped a lot other references which are WP:MREL.
    This list is more than enough to justify WP:Notability of this article. SushasiniGupta (talk) 16:06, 27 November 2024 (UTC)— Note: An editor has expressed a concern that SushasiniGupta (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. (diff)[reply]


  • Keep: Concur with the comment made above about keeping this post. This festival seems to have gained widespread popularity in Indian population:

State of Chhatisgarh declared February 14 as "Matru-Pitru Diwas" or "Parents' Worship Day" instead of Valentine's Day http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/feb-14-is-parents-day-in-chhattisgarh/article6869015.ece</ref>http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/vday-to-be-matripitra-divas-in-chhattisgarh-schools/911388/</ref>

Madhya Pradesh: Chhindwara collector asks people to worship their parents on Valentine’s Day https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/madhya-pradesh-chhindwara-collector-asks-people-to-worship-their-parents-on-valentines-day/545893/

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/collector-in-madhya-pradesh-issues-notice-askspeople-to-worship-their-parents-on-valentines-day-4517818/</ref>

Jharkhand: As per State education minister Neera Yadav's directive, Government school students to worship parents

https://www.hindustantimes.com/ranchi/government-school-students-to-worship-parents-in-jharkhand/story-mBGxvrH4HW33cOOZarLSSL.html

Gujarat: Education department tells schools to organize 'parents worship' on February 14".

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/surat/education-dept-tells-schools-to-organise-parents-worship-on-feb-14/articleshow/74035192.cms</ref>

A lot more celebration details can be found.

https://avenuemail.in/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/The-Avenue-Mail-Feb-15.pdf Transcend disillusion (talk) 19:13, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article should not be deleted since this festival is being celebrated at a bigger scale — Preceding unsigned comment added by Transcend disillusion (talk • contribs) 18:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC) — Note: An editor has expressed a concern that Transcend disillusion (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. (diff)[reply]

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  1. ^ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Its-official-Chhattisgarh-renames-V-Day-as-Matru-Pitru-Diwas/articleshow/46151391.cms
  2. ^ https://www.outlookindia.com/national/parents-worship-day-after-chhattisgarh-jharkhand-to-implement-jailed-godman-asar-news-305893
  3. ^ https://www.bbc.com/hindi/india-38956151
  4. ^ https://web.archive.org/web/20131018015852/http://www.merinews.com/article/chhattisgarh-makes-parents-worship-day-a-compulsory-observance-in-schools-on-february-14/15881586.shtml%26cp
  5. ^ https://www.indiatoday.in/information/story/what-is-parents-worship-day-and-why-it-is-celebrated-on-valentine-s-day-in-india-1768935-2021-02-13
  6. ^ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/parents-worship-day-on-feb-14-from-next-session/articleshow/107213588.cms
  7. ^ http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/1369801X.2017.1294101
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