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December 18

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 18, 2016.

Christmas feast

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Christmas dinner. --BDD (talk) 21:06, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe retarget to Christmas dinner but note that dinner ≠ feast, Christmas food also redirects to List of Christmas dishes. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 23:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Retarget to Christmas dinner - As Feast day explains, "The word 'feast' in [relation to the calendar of saints] does not mean 'a large meal, typically a celebratory one', but instead 'an annual religious celebration, a day dedicated to a particular saint'." However, I looked through the results of an Ngram on "Christmas feast", which shows that an actual meal is being described the majority (I'd say probably 85%+) of the time when this term is used. That being said, it is described as a feast in the second sentence of Christmas, and a section there focuses on its introduction as a feast. Overall conclusion: I'd say Christmas is the primary topic, but real usage seems to disagree, hence the weak retarget.— Godsy (TALKCONT) 06:03, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Ἀνάλυσις

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China Television System

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix (talk) 18:09, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:XY does this refer to Chinese Television System or China Television? - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 05:32, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 22:13, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Dipangkorn Rasmijoti, Crown Prince of Thailand

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The result of the discussion was no consensus between deletion due to it being incorrect and keeping it because it's a plausible enough error. -- Tavix (talk) 17:54, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading and technically incorrect, as the subject of the target article does not hold the title of Crown Prince. Recently created, unlikely search term. Suggest deletion. Paul_012 (talk) 14:04, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: relisting with the other Thai discussion
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Thai crown prince

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The result of the discussion was retarget Thai crown prince to Crown Prince of Thailand and Next king of Thailand to Chakri dynasty#Line of succession to the Thai throne. -- Tavix (talk) 17:50, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm bundling these, but we may decide on different outcomes for them. As far as I can tell, Thailand has no crown prince at the moment. 11-year-old Dipangkorn Rasmijoti is the only Thai prince now, but his father (now the king) wasn't named crown prince until the age of 20. And if "Next king of Thailand" can apply to anyone, it's probably the young prince, those his article is inconsistent as to whether he's truly in the line of succession, and I understand Thai law is not very clear on the matter either. Still, based on Chakri dynasty#Line of succession to the Thai throne, he's the only male in any sort of position to be the next king. So I think each of these redirects should be deleted or retargeted to Dipangkorn Rasmijoti, and would not object to different outcomes for the two. --BDD (talk) 21:09, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Boldly retarget per Paul 012 AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:21, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I presume there's consensus to retarget Thai crown prince to Crown Prince of Thailand, but I'm unsure if there's consensus for Next king of Thailand
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Paint chips

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Chance Shotdab not needed

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted, WP:G6, by RHaworth. -- Tavix (talk) 06:37, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This title was created as a mistake. The article was only at this title for one minute. Gorobay (talk) 18:48, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Czernobyl

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Cherenobl

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The result of the discussion was delete. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:01, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Gsearch only gives me 4 results on a general search, all of which are to different terms ("chere nobi", "chere.mobi" and "Chère Nobi") so I think this is WP:RFD#D5 nonsense, very unlikely search term. Si Trew (talk) 18:07, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Bridge of Death

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 10:38, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rather vague, I should say, so probably WP:RFD#D2 per WP:XY, Could be Chinvat Bridge or lots of other things. Delete. Si Trew (talk) 17:57, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Tjernobyl

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The result of the discussion was delete. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:02, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:RFD#D8, no particular affinity to Swedish. Si Trew (talk) 17:54, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Pyhaeranta

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The result of the discussion was delete. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:04, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) Delete. Not Germanic but Finnish, WP:RFD#D8. Si Trew (talk) 17:44, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Thotful Spot

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 17:46, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unused, minor element of book, not used in article, no potential/plausible use czar 17:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Tšernobyl

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The result of the discussion was delete all. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:06, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all as WP:RFD#D8 per WP:RFFL, no particular affinity to Finnish. If kept, we should probably retarget either to Chernobyl (disambiguation) or straight to Chernobyl, but this spelling is used in neither. Si Trew (talk) 17:26, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Suomusjaervi

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 17:43, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) 'Delete, WP:RFD#D8, not a Germanic umlaut, but a letter in the Finnish alphabet. Si Trew (talk) 17:12, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Timothee Franchere

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The result of the discussion was Keep (non-admin closure) - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 04:12, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) Delete per WP:RFD#D8. I think it extremely unlikely we would anglicise the name this way. Si Trew (talk) 17:09, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Marchen

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate, although I've done it at Märchen instead of Marchen since most entries use the umlaut. -- Tavix (talk) 17:31, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure whether this should retarget Fairy tale, to which Märchen redirects and at which the term with the "ä" is extensively mentioned, or to be kept here, or the target to be moved over, or for this to be turned into a DAB. There's no hatnote at the existing target, though of coruse that is easily fixed. (I mention it because relying on hit counts is useless when we don't know where readers expected to end up). The only link is from List of Hell Teacher Nūbē chapters as a chapter (202) called "Marchen Miki-chan"" which I imagine is more likely to mean the fairy-tale than then Unicode block, but is probably just best unlinked: the creator User:Nihonjoe might shine a light on the Japanese meaning. Si Trew (talk) 17:05, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Tevfik Ruestue Aras

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 22:09, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) Delete per WP:RFD#D8, another title in the Turkish alphabet that has been Germanic umlauted. Si Trew (talk) 16:45, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Göteborg's Högre Samskola

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:32, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete both, incorrect. Seems like an unlikely search term as there are stats at 5 between them in 90 days, and no internal links. Si Trew (talk) 15:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Espana Avenue

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The result of the discussion was retarget to the new dab at Avenida España. --BDD (talk) 20:58, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've done an WP:RM for España Avenue (Trujillo) to be moved over España Avenue, as I can't do it myself for some reason (it hasn't any history after creation and is not protected, but for some reason I can't do it.) Assuming that is done, this should be redirected to the same place. España Boulevard makes no mention of any España Avenue, and I couldn't find any mention in sources, so even an {{R from incorrect name}} would seem unlikely: the best solution is to move the article over the redirect and hatnote the two, of course. (In the UK, the "Crescent", "Avenue", "Road", "Street" etc. is an important part of the name of the highway: if you were directed to "Park Road" you would assume you were in the wrong place if you found yourself in "Park Street", but in the US I think less so, swhere you're directed to "go to Park and Main", so it's a reasonable confusion.) Sorry to use RfD as a memo pad but I'm inclined to forget these things, and this way I can link back from the RM etc. Si Trew (talk) 15:21, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Potika

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Wali al-'asr

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:57, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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LGV Est europeenne

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:56, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) Weak delete as nonsense, no English-speaking person will search or link this way when "LGV Est" will be suggested first, by WP's or any other search engine. Back-formed from LGV Est européenne, 0 hits in 90 days, no internal links. I'm not that fussed about it but without the acute accent it makes it a little bit WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 13:25, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Appliance Repairs Near Me

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The result of the discussion was Deleted by User:Tone. (non-admin closure) Si Trew (talk) 02:16, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Implausible search phrase. - MrX 12:28, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Islamic Republic of North Sudan

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:54, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Completely WP:OR, immensely unlikely search term. CMD (talk) 07:46, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find uses of this in sources, but for the second, there are a couple of articles (I think one a reprint of the other) titled "The Islamic Republic of Sudan?" (such as here foreignpolicy.com/2010/06/10/the-islamic-republic-of-sudan-2/) but one is {{subscripition required}} and the other sudaneseonline.org/cs/blogs/articles/archive/2010/08/17/the-islamic-republic-of-sudan.aspx I think is a (published, RS) opinion piece on the original article. I'd probably get rid of Islamic Republic of Sudan as well, but there's a much weaker case for that. Si Trew (talk) 14:08, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:NE

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. --BDD (talk) 20:07, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This page must retarget to Wikipedia:Notability (events). Changed my mind: must be disabiguated per Eureka Lott. The redirect page is linked less by low amount of pages, and its current target is tagged as "inactive". I can change the link to "Wikipedia:WikiProject Northern Emirates" and pipe it as "WP:NE"... Or I can change link to "Wikipedia:Notability (events)" if any of pages refers to it. George Ho (talk) 07:31, 18 December 2016 (UTC); edited. 19:25, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, George Ho, I couldn't understand what you meant by changing the links at first. You mean, just make sure that current links point to the right place, if we retarget it? OK, I'm neutral on this, historical versions of the pages will still point to the wrong place, but that's true of anything and we can always add a hatnote to the new target. Si Trew (talk) 13:50, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's what I mean. Did the editors mention Notability (events) or something else? George Ho (talk) 13:52, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I meant either re-link to the current target or "Notability (events)", whatever an editor meant. George Ho (talk) 14:12, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ping Si. George Ho (talk) 02:53, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Scott Disick

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Pehlivankoey

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:02, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) @Delete, WP:RFD#D8 Not Germanic umlaut: Turkish. Si Trew (talk) 02:24, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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César-Guillaume de La Luzerne

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix (talk) 18:11, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Another exercise in combinatorics. Which of these are at all useful to readers? The old ones, the eubot ones, the new ones, the ones that any decent search engine will find anyway? INone is individually harmful, but it just seems WP:COSTLY to have to maintain every possible variant of a noble's name. Delete the eubot ones, for a start. Si Trew (talk) 02:05, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Some points here: (a) deleting redirects does not save resources – you cite an essay which is probably not generally accepted, and the examples here do not match any given there; (b) I think it is particularly fallacious to say as that essay does that "Wikipedia has a very good search facility" (the current version struggles over commas); (c) I think it is fallacious in general to argue from discovery methods, because we have no way of knowing what methods people may use; and (d) aliases for people, especially those with titles, are very useful, as experience on Wikidata shows. You could just leave such things alone, actually. Charles Matthews (talk) 20:42, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(a) I wasn't arguing about saving computer resources; the essay is not policy but plenty of people cite essays as a shorthand rather than repeat the arguments presented therein, (b) I didn't say Wikipedia's search engine was very good, I said it was "decent", and in particular it ignores hyphens and diacritics when searching unless titles differ only by those, (c) It doesn't matter how people "discovered" the redirect but we we have a statistics tool that tells us how often it is actually used and (d) these aren't aliases for people,, they are minute variations on the same name. Si Trew (talk) 23:56, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well then, I'd be interested under (a) to see a reference to an actual cost-benefit analysis of deleting redirects (including the overheads of debate). And under under (d) "alias" qua "also known as" is the correct term as seen on Wikidata. You state that the current search engine here ignores diacritics. Not all search engines do so: and the engine here onsite has been changed, in recent memory. I would particularly object to the removal of redirects that simplify by taking off diacritics. In my view it benefits the project to have those around. Calling them "minute" variations is just rhetoric: they can make or break links. You noticed that the top one is twice linked to? And members of the nobility do just have a large stock of name variants. Charles Matthews (talk) 06:24, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It would be different if his family name was de la Luzerne, but given that his title is "La Luzerne" with capital L for both of these makes these plausible searches. [1] Same with the hyphen. Note the Wikipedia article itself uses La Luzerne and Cardinal La Luzerne (both capital L's) as the person's name throughout. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:28, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Istvan Tuerr

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:01, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) *sigh*. The English name for this person, as used in the source in the article, is "Stephen Türr" (RS: NYT 1906 at foot of article). I've marked others as {{R from other language|fr}}, {{R from other language|it}} and so on. The "ü" is a letter in the Hungarian alphabet, dear Eubot, not a Germanic umlaut. Si Trew (talk) 01:38, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Raphael’s Room

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Bitchuu Kojiro Station

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Kaurismaeki

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:00, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) WP:RFD#D8 Delete, "Kaurismäki" may be a Finnish surname, as the target surname dab says, but "Kaurismaeki" isn't unless Finland starts restoring the EU trade balance by importing surplus Germanic umlauts. Si Trew (talk) 00:08, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Parcs Quebec

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The result of the discussion was Withdrawn (as keep) by me. (non-admin closure) Si Trew (talk) 12:12, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) User:Ivanvector is perhaps the chap to ask here. I would say you can't have this without the diacritic (this is back-formed from the R at Parcs Québec). because the whole point of Canadian bilingualism is that you do it in French and in English, not in some kind of franglais. We haven't Quebec Parks or Quebec Parcs. Si Trew (talk) 00:03, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

All right, it was a bit iffy: need to test the waters on these Canadian French ones. Withdrawn. Si Trew (talk) 12:12, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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