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NRLCA

Hi Ww2censor, and sorry for the delay in responding.

I don't think there is a personality rights issue here, since the images are being used in a non-profit way that does not endorse any particular product or view; and on the other hand are being used to illustrate office holders of this particular organisation. Potential re-users of the photos would need to consider the issue, but here on English Wikipedia, there shouldn't be a problem.

As far as the content of the article goes, I really can't see anything soapboxy about it – are there particular passages that you're concerned about? --Rlandmann (talk) 21:03, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

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Deletion of Multi Corporation

I do not understand your concerns! I entiarely changed the article before adding it again! I do not understand the concernes anymore!!! I am totally frustrated! I spend time to create value and all I get is deleting notifications!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Verena Köster (talk • contribs) 10:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Tagging for speedy deletion

Hi there. I just declined Semi Chem, be careful please that A7 only needs any indication at all for why a subject might be notable and the article has a reliable source mentioning it, so it cannot be A7ed. Regards SoWhy 10:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Lisa Hannigan importance

Hi, I noticed you've rated Lisa Hannigan-related articles as being of low importance and have a query. Hannigan is a well-known collaborator with Damien Rice, charted in the UK and across Europe with "Unplayed Piano", has numerous award nominations, earned the admiration of and supported the Grammy-nominated Jason Mraz and has had her music played on American radio stations such as California's KCRW. Yet she is on the same level as "towns and villages of importance within a county or even just a locality" and "regional and local roads"? I was just wondering if I was mistaken in thinking there is something odd about that? --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T _# :) 09:09, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in replying. Just saw here last night on the The Tonight Show with Jay Leno which reminded me that you had left this question, though I was not impressed by her song choice or performance. I have assessed 100s of articles for the WikiProject Ireland over quite some time and try to comply with the importance assessment criteria that was developed back in mid-2007 but remember that these assessments are of course subjective. Trying to compare her to towns and villages is a false comparison. We specifically set out some examples for entertainers and, as you will see, she cannot possibly rate as a high-importance person because her impact has not yet been over several generation. Her impact cannot be compared to a person like Rory Gallagher or The Corrs, so that leaves us with a low or mid importance rating. Remember that people with articles on this wiki are already notable by definition and the initial importance is a low rating which is not demeaning or negative in any way as you might think. Would you say that she was as important as Bell X1 or Samantha Mumba who are all rated at mid-importance? Neither were assessed by me. While she has only been around for about 8 years and much of her work relies on collaborations not on individual work, I still feel a low rating is about right but could be persuaded to raise that to a "mid". BTW, good luck with the GA which looks like it has chance of succeeding as the article itself is quite good indeed and that is recognised by the current B-rating. You can of course ask for a reassessment but I seem to be the only one actively doing those right now. ww2censor (talk) 21:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, she was on U.S. television last night? I'd say you're probably right. I know you're much more qualified when it comes to assessing an article's importance as you certainly seem to follow me around a lot. ;) So I'll leave it up to you, I was just commenting as it seemed unusual to me after I gathered up all the information on her recent career. Although I'd doubt if she's all that far off Bell X1 if she's appearing on The Tonight Show... --Candlewicke _S^T _# :) 21:36, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

And WikiProject Ireland has one more good article... --Candlewicke _S^T _# :) 01:01, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I noticed it earlier today and left a notice at the WP:IWNB. Now onwards to a WP:FA! Well done. ww2censor (talk) 01:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Quick thought

I'll reply to your comment on my talk page later, when I get the chance, but, cynic that I have become, I normally check a sample of edits before replying and I have to say my initial reaction yesterday was actually a feeling of déjà vu. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 12:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

• Update Ah, Mysticshade is blocked indefinitely. I added my two cent (euro cent, of course) on ANI here. I knew I had seen something similar before while wandering around Recent Changes, but I only spotted the actual connection today while looking at the history of Largest urban areas of the European Union. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 16:28, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

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Lady Bridget Wingfield

Thank you for your help and advice. I have changed the section to Family ad career. I used one source that you provided. The second source I didn't find, as not all the pages were available for on-line reading. However, the editor who created the stub is in possession of the Eric Ives book you cited so I shall ask her to add the references with appropriate page numbers and in-line citations. Thanks again.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:08, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Reply

See the linked deletion discussion, and Category:Attribution templates (encyclopedia britannica, jewish encyclopedia, library of congress country studies, etc etc etc). Just because no one has fixed them yet doesn't mean no one ever will, see also WP:NOEFFORT and WP:DEADLINE. Calliopejen1 (talk) 02:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Logainm.ie

The name of the website is logainm.ie. It is not the Placenames Database etc, and has never been known as that. Indeed, none of the referenced English language newspapers refer to it as anything other than logainm.ie. Consequently, wikipedia common name supports the only known name of the site: logainm.ie. Dunlavin Green (talk) 00:31, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

What is important, the website or the database? The website itself is not really important per se, no more important that the CSO's website for census information for which there is no article, but the placenames database is what is important because that is what is available on the website. Admittedly it could do with some refining to state that more clearly. I will be happy to do that, but actually there really should be an article called "Placenames of Ireland" (to covers all the Irish placenames info over the years) though there already is Place names in Irish which needs major revision and logainm.ie would be an appropriate redirect to that with its own section about the placenames database and its web access. In fact I was going to suggest a "merge to" but decided a page move would be better. Alternatively, it could be merged with Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs because it is just one of the services provided by that department of the Irish government. I am not sure, but I don't believe there are any articles for any other Irish government websites or their, so I don't know why there should be one for this. Hope you see the point. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 00:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Reasonable points, ww2censor (interesting nick). I agree entirely that the article needs refining. I set it up quickly last night when I was over on the Skryne page as I was checking it for the correct name for Skryne in the Irish and noticed it hadn't got a wikipedia page. The big benefit for my uses (historical research) of logainm.ie is that for the first time it gives internet access to all the placenames database, which has in effect existed and been developed since at least the 1930s. It is the work of the placename's commission open to the world. Until this I have had to use seanruad.com and http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ (with a superb map showing every townland in Ireland) which, while excellent, lacked the authority of the placenames commission and the state support that came with its research on placenames. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that while the database has existed for a long time, and has been open for consultation in the Phoenix Park or NLI for decades, it is the medium of this website that is allowing people access to all of this for the first time. That's why I instinctively separated the website from the longstanding database. But to be honest I think, as you point out, a more holistic approach needs to be made on the issue of Irish placenames on wikipedia generally. All the best. Dunlavin Green (talk) 01:54, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

The website calls itself (in English) the Placenames Database of IReland. At no point on the site does it ever refer to itself by it's URL. That's just it's location, not the name of the site. Canterbury Tail talk 03:58, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

That's more or less what I was trying to tell the creator when I moved the page the first time, but he moved it back. It either need some rewriting or should be merged to a revised version of Place names in Irish. Thanks. ww2censor (talk) 04:30, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Wikipedia isnt' called wikipedia.org because that's it's URL. And of course newspapers etc will refer to it by the URL otherwise naming a website is pointless as people can't locate it. Doesn't mean it's the name of the website though. And nowhere on the website does it refer to itself by the URL, but by its name. I moved it back. Canterbury Tail talk 13:12, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, and I made the last comment after you made the move back. When I get the chance I will try to refine the text to better clarify the title and the relationship to the online database at the URL. Cheers. ww2censor (talk)

Hurlers and other GAA players

Are you sure you meant [[1]]. I can only see one GAA related article here contributed too Gnevin (talk) 21:18, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Had a quick look, all the player are inter county players ,most have won at least 1 national title and the same applies to the clubs, it would be nice if he could flesh out some of the stub but in terms of notability they look fine Gnevin (talk) 22:13, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if this would be alot of effort but could you add {{GaelicGamesProject}} as your rating GAA articles ? Gnevin (talk) 22:15, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

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Assessment

Hi, sorry I took a while to get back to you, things have been very busy. I'm not deeply familiar with the story, though I'd read of the robbery in the Guardian. I think I would completely agree with everything you and Physchim62 have said on this. One could argue that it's always easier to be conservative with assessments, I think I've seen that often, but I agree with Physchim62 that a conservative assessment is appropriate for a recent event like this. The article does seem to be well sourced, and pretty well written, so I can see a good case to be made for B-Class, but I can also imagine that there is a lot of useful content that might be missing at this point. It actually looks like most "recent event" articles to me. I think (like many such recent event articles) it could easily be turned into a GA with a bit of work, as was done (all the way to FA) with Virginia_Tech_Massacre.

I think the real reason for this "controversy" is the misunderstanding of the use of the assessment scheme. The user making the complaint now has a rant against all assessment on his talk page. It's not supposed to be a "grade" like for a high school essay - after all, it can be changed by another project member (and often are, if they're a bit off). It's supposed to give projects a way to track the articles under their purview, to see how they are doing, that's all. Also, it's supposed to focus a lot on completeness, and that is a difficult thing to measure for an evolving event like this. Overall, assessments shouldn't be taken too personally, and it is understood that they will change over time.

I'll make a short post on the article talk page. Walkerma (talk) 07:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Ireland naming question

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DYK

Yeah, I picked them up thanks. The Bulger one I was hoping to get into the St Patrick's Day DYK. Looked for an Irish player who died on 17 March on purpose, though he's a pretty interesting character in his own rights. Hopefully they'll get picked up. Cheers, FruitMonkey (talk) 18:54, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Feat Factory

As much as I'd like to avoid a COI, being the creator of said article and all, but I can't help feel that your "Speedy Deletion" tag was in bad faith. C.U.T.K.D ^{T | C} 14:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely not. The article makes no claim to notability of any sort, so it is a perfect candidate for a speedy deletion, even without your conflict of interest. ww2censor (talk) 15:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Lawrence Bulger

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Copyvio at Wicklow

Hi. I'm confused by what you've done here at Wicklow. You have removed the copyvio template, and largely restored all of the offending text, with the deceptively innocent-looking edit summary, Removed category "Lifeboats in the Republic of Ireland". I've no doubt you had a good reason for what you did, but you'll appreciate that from here it looks a little strange. I'd appreciate your clarification. Thanks. --Yumegusa (talk) 08:58, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Very curious indeed. All I did was remove the redlink Lifeboats category with HotCat, which placed the edit summary. HotCat seems to have automatically reverted the body text to a previous version for some reason. I have never seen this before and did not manually do the edit so I don't have an answer for you but have undone the edit manually. BTW, I am not sure your copyvio tag is correct and would question it. I have been watching this page for a very long time, maybe 3 years+. I suspect the page you think is being copied is in fact copying from the wikipedia page. That is hard to prove unless we can find out when each page was uploaded in its current form. Cheers. ww2censor (talk) 15:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Waterford City Library

Hi! I have removed the speedy deletion tag you placed on this article, since WP:CSD#A7 doesn't apply to buildings. decltype (talk) 08:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Warning of 89.100.181.182

hey, you left a 4im warning template to this user for this edit, but i think that was too severe. the user made another edit that i reverted, but huggle didn't warn the user and just reported him because it saw your 4im warning. i could be wrong, but you may want to check out whether you should have given that warning. thanks! shirulashem (talk) 00:29, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I saw the Kiltegan edit, then looked at the Baltinglass edit and decided that the two edits together were obviously blatant vandalism, so placed the BV tag on the talk page. I then went back and reverted the Kiltegan edit. Two obvious vandalism edits, by an anonIP user is, imho, too much and I don't give much leeway these days with so many vandalism edit. If they are obviously BV I don't even bother with the lower level warnings. Maybe that seems too fierce, but I am fed up with the stupidity of some editors, so I do it this way and hope the BV warning is enough, rather than going back and forth escalating the warnings one by one. If this were a registered user I would use an incremental warning strategy. I'm not sure if you agree or not. ww2censor (talk) 02:05, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Richa Sharma (actor)

Just a friendly note on Richa Sharma (actor). While the article itself didn't make a really strong claim of importance, a quick gsearch shows a very high likelihood of notability, so I declined the speedy. If you still think it needs to go, AfD would be the way. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabrictramp (talk • contribs) 27 March 2009

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Discussion on validity of PD-India

I wonder if you could give your opinion at my query at Wikimedia Commons licensing here. AshLin (talk) 02:37, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Article on David Brophy

I have added more citations. Is it okay to remove the refimprove box? --Cargoking (talk) 19:27, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Talking yeah

Quoting you: "It seems that Sebjarod has his own way of thinking these days and is not as communicative as he was a year ago about his ideas or by way of starting any discussion on a topic of contention, which is the usual way of dealing with these issues."

Fed up with talking endlessly to edit articles on Wikipedias when there is a comment line below the edition window, a edition history and references written in the text of the article. Above all, recently, the administrator that revokes the title change of an article just because he doesn't want to see the official name of a country in it, or after the renamer putting it in the Wikipedian bureaucratic machinery... How-ef-fi-cient.

While you continue telling people what are high- and low-important knowledge on articles talk pages, have a good night. Sebjarod (talk) 20:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

"Ireland articles needing images" and "Wikipedia requested photographs of Ireland"

Hi: I've recently been returning from a longer-than-expected wikibreak, and saw the comments you left at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals/Archive_1#Photo_Requests. For what it's worth, the solution I recommend is to change the source of the {{WikiProject Ireland}} template to add articles to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Ireland instead of Category:Ireland articles needing images. Alternatively, some time ago I wrote PhotoCatBot to help me automatically recategorize requests in Category:Wikipedia requested photographs into appropriate subcategories. I would be delighted to update it to replace "image-needed=yes" on {{WikiProject Ireland}} articles with [[reqphoto|in=Ireland]]. Let me know what you think! (Replying here is fine.) Tim Pierce (talk) 04:25, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering is there anyway of cleaning up image requests for Ireland. I see a lot of requests for images of mythological figures like Conall Cernach and Ailill Aulom that I don't think any images exist and they wouldn't have been as popular as Cúchulainn to have images created.

1. Can we get rid of these image requests then or have some template made up to say no known image exists?
2. Also is it possible to have image requests signed or an explanation as to what type of image is needed so it can be followed up?
3. What about a bot to check pages to see if an image is still required... say image request was in 2007 but there is an image there now?

Like Tim says; replying here is fine. Cheers Jaqian (talk) 12:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Your question #1 might be a good one to take to WikiProject Ireland, to see how folks there feel about what to do with image requests. Questions #2 and #3 seem to be less about WP Ireland and more about image requests in general... you might take them up at WikiProject Photography. FWIW, I run a bot that addresses some of these image request issues, and I don't think that it's feasible to figure out automatically whether an article is no longer missing an image. Tim Pierce (talk) 14:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

First to answer Tim Pierce, I an not sure the solution you suggest is the right way but if you think it will be better I can be convinced, then I suggest you modify the WikiProject Ireland banner assessment template to reassign the results page without any negative effect or extra work for assessors, then please go ahead.

Secondly, Jaqian, your questions seem quite valid and it may well be hard to get any images of mythological figures though I am pretty sure several are available in some older PD books. As Tim suggests, we can ask that question on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland. Question 2 might require some sort of scale for defining what type of image is being requested by the individual project, however, adding another parameter to a project's assessment template is possibly asking too much from assessors. Question 3 seems like a relatively simple bot process though some articles, such as a tv program, might have one image, but could possibly do with an image of one of the actors or some such. Generally it might be a good idea to check out articles anyway. ww2censor (talk) 15:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

If it helps, the {{reqphoto}} template supports an "of=" parameter that allows an editor to specify details about a requested picture: e.g. adding {{reqphoto|art|in=Ireland|of=a statue of Conall Cernach}} to a talk page would produce an infobox that says "a photograph of a statue of Conall Cernach". Tim Pierce (talk) 15:36, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

That is all well and good but now an assessor will have to place two templates on an article talk page. I do a lot of WikiProject Ireland assessments and really don't want to do twice the work when my assessments are semi-automated by a javascript. I have no idea if this can be included into the project template and after that if the parameters can be mostly populated in the script we use (BTW the original script is not supported). That would be great but I doubt it is possible. ww2censor (talk) 16:00, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll review the script source and consult with the author to see if there's something I can do to help. Tim Pierce (talk) 16:04, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

It sounds like you're the man! The original script belonged to User:Outriggr but AFAIK they are pretty much retired, BHG know nothing about its setup, she just copied it and it works, for now. ww2censor (talk) 16:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

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Education controversies in the Republic of Ireland

Thanks for adding the reference - I'd forgotten to do that. Autarch (talk) 17:31, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Template/Category Racing Circuits (Ireland)

It is nice to hear from you and your observations. I been having problems with my wireless connection and I had not quite completed the templates and the changes to the Ulster Grand Prix and North West 200. I can understand your concern about the naming of the template. There is information about these circuits on the internet and in particular the Northern Ireland circuits can be found usually within information on the United Kingdom circuits. I was not sure what to call the Republic of Ireland template and you will note the link to the template is to Ireland. I would welcome any suggestions or corrections to the template(s) and in particular to the Republic of Ireland of template. Perhaps a Category:Motorsport venues in Ireland would be the best solution as Wikipedia has a category for motor sport events? It can be difficult to find information on racing circuits and I have had problems finding the correct information for the Snaefell Mountain Course despite living in the Isle of Man. I have still looking for information on the the Andreas and Jurby Airfield circuits in the Isle of Man. As there is really no general consensus when creating articles for motor sport circuits, the best examples are the Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps and Nürburgring circuits. Finally, perhaps the templates may encourage individuals to complete articles for at least the Clady and Dundrod circuits for Wikipedia. {{Agljones (talk) 18:34, 12 April 2009 (UTC)}}

Philatelists' nationality

We have a page for notable "Philatelists", and several of them have been sorted by nationality. This seems unnecessary, and even confusing. Are there any rules of the game? As a case or two in point, Daniel Cooper was an American by birth, then an Australian, and the first President of the Philatelic Society (London). He is buried in Brompton Cemetery. He is simply categorized as a "Philatelist", as is Jean-Baptiste Moens, a very French Belgian. Ferrary was French by birth, Genoese by fortune; and he adopted Austria as his country. Several great collectors and philatelistsIs don't have a national page. Is this nationality issue helpful?Fconaway (talk) 00:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Interesting that you ask this question now but are you talking about the List of philatelists or the Category:Philatelists? I presume you mean the latter. Back in 2006 there were so few philatelist articles but several sub-categories which prompted a deletion discussion and all the sub-cats were deleted at that time. I have linked to those discussions on the talk page if you want to see what transpired. Things have changed since then and some new sub-categories were created recently (I just created a British one today) because there are now sufficient articles to populate them, but I don't think any new sub-categories should be created unless there are at least 5 or 6 articles to populate them. Sub-categories are a normal wiki classification method and unless there is an overriding reason to only have a parent category sub-categories are created. Your point about it being possible to categorise some people into more than one category is well made and should be taken into consideration. Do we categorise people by their nationality, by their collecting interest, or by their place of residence? Maybe all appropriate categories should be used, or only one but how do we decide which? If there is any ambiguity they can of course remain in the parent category. What suggestion do you have? ww2censor (talk) 01:28, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I don't know what the answer might be. My first concern is the people who don't fit into any of the pigeonholes, neatly, however they may be categorized -- the ones who would need another five articles or so of similar folks to gain admission to a narrower category. If they don't fit a subcategory, they're simply philatelists without compeers. Fconaway (talk) 02:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

All the philatelists fit into the same pigeonhole; they are all phlatelists, none any better than any other, just some have been further categorised. All the philatelists are compeers of all the others but each one has an equal standing with every other one be they in the parent category or any of its sub-categories. Sub-categories are generally created when the parent category becomes overpopulated AND where sub-categories make sense. There is little use in placing articles in sub-categories populated by one or two articles, so until then if there are not enough they should remain in the parent category. ww2censor (talk) 02:18, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this makes good sense. Fconaway (talk) 02:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Press release photos

So u mean once permission is obtained by the company. I can send the response to Wiki Commons and at the same time, upload the image there for linking to the article, am i correct? Thanks for advice.Idunno1234 (talk) 10:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Article importance rating

Ww - any idea what is going on - it appears the "importance" rating has been removed from numerous articles without explanation. What is left is this: (WikiProject Ireland) (template removed).

Note that "importance=low" is completely ignored! Someone is messing with the template??? Sarah777 (talk) 14:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Ooops. If this was an article where NA is written would simply contain a question mark. Sarah777 (talk) 14:26, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Checked; there are now 23,275 IrlProj articles in the category [[:Category:Unknown-importance Ireland articles]]! And even the remaining few appear to have no rating when you look. Sarah777 (talk) 14:46, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

This template edit was supposed to be an improvement but as you see has screwed up the whole project assessments. I have left a message at User talk:MSGJ#Template:WikiProject Ireland and if there is no revert soon. I will ask an admin to revert the edit. What a mess! ww2censor (talk) 16:16, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

User:Happy-melon has tried to fix it and it is a bit better but it is still an ungodly mess. See Template talk:WikiProject Ireland#Conversion to use Template:WPBannerMeta for details. ww2censor (talk) 16:35, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Great stuff Ww - thanks! It appears to be fixed. And I like your "talkback" template :) Sarah777 (talk) 00:31, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Killer (philately)

Thanks for adding the image to Killer (philately) but I wouldn't say this really was a 'killer'. I think it is a barred numeral cancel? As I understand it a killer is a particularly obscuring and heavy cancel like the second link on the page. If you agree do you have any images of that kind? Thanks. Maidonian (talk) 22:48, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Numeral cancels are killers, intended to obliterate the stamp so that it could not be reused, but some do identify the town/place of posting. When duplex cancels were adopted the numeral portion did the same job. If you think killers only covers the handstamp portions that are just bars, I think you are being too narrow in your definition. This Linn's page is pretty clear that four-bar killers are only one type of killer, and that numerals and other types of heavy cancellation are killers. I am getting a library loan of Fundamentals of Philately next week, but will be away for a week, and maybe there is a clearer definition in there. As I am more a postal history guy, I am not sure I have any references in my own library. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 23:06, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I think the term is fairly flexible depending on which country you are talking about. I suppose my point is that as there is only one image on the page it should exemplify the term and something a lot heavier that obscures most of the design would do that better. Thanks. Maidonian (talk) 23:48, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Your point is well taken that some countries may have a narrower view than others but, when looking for an image, I could not find one of a four-bar killer and we should definitely try to add one. So, for now, there is one image but I am sure we will find some other appropriate ones. ww2censor (talk) 00:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

We have some wonderfully ugly examples among the "All India" obliterators. I'll look for a nice crisp one! Fconaway (talk) 07:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

That sounds good. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 14:54, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

The 10-barred square cancellation
used by the Russo-Afghanistan Boundary Commission 28 March 1885

Here's a cover with the ten-barred square killer (Renouf Type 20) used by the Russo-Afghanistan Boundary Commission. This was applied on March 28, 1885 at the Lieutenant Governor's camp, in the tense days before the Battle of Kushka and the Panjdeh Incident (of March 30). At the time, Lord Dufferin and Abdur Rahman were in conference in Rawalpindi, when war with Tsarist Russia seemed imminent. Gladstone was determined to settle the boundary by negotiation. Also, I have other covers and a variety of single stamps, which could be used. Fconaway (talk) 05:51, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

That is a nice example of a stand alone killer. We could also use a killer with separate town stamp to show how towns were identified and a combo killer. All of these are shown on the Linn's page linked in the external links section. Still needs some work and references. Thanks ww2censor (talk) 14:30, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Break

Is it appropriate to say "Have Fun"? FlowerpotmaN·(t) 16:30, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, thanks. I'm off to London tomorrow to see my new grandson and maybe even visit the PO Archives for a bit. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 17:31, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, congrats :). And a squalling infant might prove a useful distraction if you want to pick up anything in the archives... :) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 20:30, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

On no, he's not coming to the archive with me. Not at 5 months old; maybe in 15 years! I have found great stuff there but most of it is unfortunately WP:OR so I can't use it here and as for picking stuff up, that would be very hard to do and of course illegal too. They have much Irish info there and I am hoping to find more info about the Postmasters General of Ireland. Thanks ww2censor (talk) 21:13, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

(Note to self: Must stop using Wikipedia talk pages to encourage petty larceny)

On a postal stationery related note, I was stuck in bed for a lot of the weekend, due to a severe case of Man flu, but one of the things I did get to do was to sort through a pile of Field Post Cards sent by one of my grandfathers during the First (!) World War. (He was rather elderly by the time I was born.) The cards were of the "strike the description not applicable" type, so I was looking for the first postcard that had "I am quite well" struck through, on the grounds that he had a rather unforunate amputation shortly before that card. Found it as well. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 23:00, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, break! So that explains why all my new articles are not being accessed! :) Never mind, I'll be depositing them all off at DYK quite soon... ;) hope you're having a nice holiday! :) --candle•wicke 04:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Shell to Sea Fleet

An article that you have been involved in editing, Shell to Sea Fleet, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shell to Sea Fleet. Thank you.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Smartse (talk) 01:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Isle of Man TT

I did not realize that Isle of Man TT would be a controversial move. I have reverted it. EdwinHJ | Talk 14:24, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

First US to Europe Ship-to-Shore "Catapult" Air Mail (1928)

I have just added an image of a Ship-to-Shore "catapult" cover flown from the SS Ile de France at sea on August 23, 1928, as part of the first experiment of this combined ship/air transatlantic mail service which you may find useful in some way as an illustration in your ongoing Translation/Airmail project. (Centpacrr (talk) 22:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC))

A nice interesting Roessler cover. Thanks though I must say you might try to rescan it as the image is somewhat washed out because the contrast seems to have been set too high during scanning. I am slowly working my way through the airmail article trying to source everything or copy editing and adding images as I go along. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 22:42, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I have rescanned the cover at 600dpi to eliminate moire pattern in engravings and cure some other issues. (It is posted at 150dpi.) I have a wide variety of other Roesslers ranging from the first scheduled US Air Mail (May 15, 1918) to various Zeps covers. (Centpacrr (talk) 02:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC))

Mondello Park

Please read my talk page. --NaBUru38 (talk) 13:17, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Apologies regarding stamp images

Hello! I am sorry for the problems in regard to my uploading of U.S. commemorative stamp images for the article on the people who have appeared on U.S. stamps. This was among my first attempts at bringing images to Wikipedia and, it appears, my enthusiasm ran ahead of my experience. I will replace the images that were removed from the article with images that meet Wikipedia standards. I hope that I did not create extra work or stress for you, and I am highly appreciative that you took the time to point out my error. Be well and please stay in touch. Pastor Theo (talk) 23:26, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

It's not a big problem but is a bit of work. Image copyright is a serious issue that even gives some experienced editors problems. Try using only freely licenced images that are on the commons and if you do upload any, please try to make sure they are public domain images because that is all that is permitted on the commons. If you have any questions please ask. You are not the only one who makes mistakes but there are many non-free stamp images that are incorrectly used and I am trying to get rid of them according to the criteria. I did not mean to be so long winded but thought it best to explain as completely as possible. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 01:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I am highly appreciative of your pleasant input and cogent suggestions. I am a long-time philatelist and I have a large number of pre-1978 U.S. stamp images that can be used here. Pastor Theo (talk) 12:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Stamp

It is a bit unfair to remove an image from an article (without warning me) and then delete it. The image was non-free but there was a fur. Can you explain your decision ? Also, as I see you are an expert on deletion, do you think the article Quick TransLation I had written deserved to be deleted ? I think it is unfair, because the qtl is the official translation tool for Firefox, so it is a very notable add-on. Also I had found some reliable sources, this is why I strongly condemn the partiality of those who deleted it. Tell me your opinion and I will rely on it. Paaah (talk) 08:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

The reason for removal of Image:Boule et bill stamps.jpg from Boule et Bill was clearly explained with this edit summary. The use of non-free stamp images to illustrate the subject fails WP:NFC#Images which clearly states: Stamps and currency: For identification of the stamp or currency, not its subject. The use of this image was being used to identify the subject of the article, is contrary to, and fails, the criteria which is the reason I removed it from the article. When a non-free image is an orphan it will be deleted by an administrator who reviews it. Unfortunately I have no constructive view or comment for you on the deletion of Quick TransLation because it has already been deleted so I cannot see what it was like but it appears there were no reliable third party references to prove its notability. All articles must show notability and be backed up by verifiable reliable sources if they are not to be challenged or nominated as being non-notable and nominated for deletion. The burden of proof is on the contributing editors to provide it when editing articles they are interested in. ww2censor (talk) 13:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I perfectly understand what you mean. I admit for the stamp. I have posted here the deleted article with some improvement. You see that (as I had explained to the bad-faith-editor who nominated the article for deletion) there are three reliable sources: Softpedia, CHIP, .net. Is not it enough ? Some biased administrators delete good and well-referenced articles with reliable sources, whereas there are many unreferenced articles to deal with. Do you give me the authorization to rewrite the article ? Paaah (talk) 19:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I really cannot comment on "qtl" article because software is not really my area of interest but I will give you my opinion. Having a section entitled "Reliable Sources" smacks of an attempt to create notability where it is not obvious. Normally all references should be used inline to support facts in the prose that others may question. Because of my lack on knowledge of this area I cannot tell you if the sources you quote are reliable or not. Hope that helps. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 20:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)