Tupsumato

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	The Hard Worker's Barnstar
	For your consistantly high level contributions in the topic area of ships and ship design. Keep it up and happy editing! Sadads (talk) 19:11, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

		The Minor Barnstar
		For cleaning up my (many) little mistakes and producing small edits of absolute top quality on the Titanic II article, and associated articles. MatthewHaywood (talk) 19:00, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

The Original Barnstar

Hello, Thank you for the great work you did with the M/S Wilhelm Carpelan page. The page looks a lot more Wiki-professional now. Just wanted to ask you a couple of things, as you decided to omit two items I had originally written. The first was about the hydraulic mast tilting the ship owner had installed, and the other one was about the Ericsson spy boat. Wondering why these were omitted. FYI I worked for Nokia for 15 years, including several years in the Nokia headquarters in the early 2000s, and we did not refer to the boat as any competitors' spy boat but very specifically the Ericsson spy boat. At that time Ericsson was not that much a cell phone competitor but a telecom infrastructure competitor. Then another topic. I've created about 5 Wiki pages now and I've been struggling with the editing and templates. It looks like the Wiki page creation is kind of black magic, you need to know what templates to use and what not. Is there somewhere a good source of information to guide newcomers? As an example, if I want to create a professional-looking page on a ship, how can I find the right template in Finnish and English, and so on? I don't have too much time to spend learning the tricks of Wiki but I have some time available to create these pages. Thanks & regards, Harri Hki007 (talk) 03:23, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

		The Citation Barnstar
		For your diligent efforts on wp:ships, attention to detail, and knowing that citation that I could not find. Martin451 (talk) 23:58, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	I just wanted to thank you for your contribution to Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Ships#Proposal to rename article ARA Suboficial Castillo (A-6) to USS Takelma (ATF-113). I appreciate your input. KNHaw (talk) 17:56, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Great article creation in Kigoriak! Keep it up! Regards, SshibumXZ (talk · contribs). 08:40, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Discussions

Projects 97 and 97AP icebreakers

Projects 97 and 97AP icebreakers: not 2 × twin 25 mm 2M-3M, but 1 × twin 25 mm 2M-3M.

1. Project 97:

   На первых трёх ледоколах проекта 97, строившихся по заказу ВМФ, устанавливалось артиллерийское вооружение — одна 57-мм двухорудийная артиллерийская установка ЗИФ-31-Б и одна 25-мм двухорудийная установка 2М-3М. Впоследствии данное вооружение было демонтировано.

   — [1]

2. Project 97AP:

   Первоначально на патрульных ледоколах устанавливалось артиллерийское вооружение — одна 57-мм двухорудийная артиллерийская установка ЗИФ-31-Б и одна 25-мм двухорудийная установка 2М-3М. Впоследствии вооружение с ледоколов было демонтировано.

   — [2]

--212.32.207.152 (talk) 20:00, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the additional information. Tupsumato (talk) 06:59, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Tupsumato, извините, я не говорю по-английски. Возможно следующая Ваша правка верная [3], но наверное нам следует поискать ещё какие-либо источники, подтверждающие, что Vladimir Kavrayskiy был 2-винтовым судном. Например, отец и сын Музалевские (2010) также пишут, что Vladimir Kavrayskiy был 3-винтовым судном: [4], [5]. Возможно они ошибаются, нужна проверка по другим источникам. --109.169.214.220 (talk) 20:30, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

No problem. I will continue looking for information. Tupsumato (talk) 14:04, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

• Tupsumato, я смотрел в трёх источниках:
  1. Leonid Kuznetsov; Albert Veber; Valeri Kireyev; etc. (1996), V. L. Aleksandrov [in Russian] (ed.), Адмиралтейские верфи: Люди, корабли, годы, 1926–1996 (in Russian), Saint Petersburg: Gangut, pp. 220–229, ISBN 5-85875-110-5, retrieved 2023-01-10
  2. Nikita Kuznetsov (2009), "От «Добрыни Никитича» до «Отто Шмидта»: Ледоколы проекта 97 и их модификации", Морская коллекция (in Russian), no. 8 (119), Moscow: Моделист-конструктор, p. 22, retrieved 2023-01-10
  3. Mikhail Muzalevsky; Pavel Muzalevsky (2010), A. L. Demin (ed.), Покорители льдов: Корабли, капитаны, судьбы (in Russian), vol. 2, Moscow: Кавалеръ, p. 45, retrieved 2023-01-10
  Ни в одном из этих источников не пишется, что «Владимир Каврайский» (Vladimir Kavrayskiy) был 2-винтовым судном. Кроме того, в третьем источнике (Muzalevsky 2010) прямо указывается, что он имел 3 винта. --80.234.72.242 (talk) 18:40, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your effort. While one of my Russian contacts speculated that Muzalevsky may have a misprint, none of the sources clearly state that Vladimir Kavrayskiy would not have a bow propeller. Thus, I have removed the previous claim from the article. Tupsumato (talk) 06:55, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

• Thanks, в свою очередь я тоже спрашивал у коллеги Alex omen, создателя статьи Владимир Каврайский (судно) в русскоязычной Википедии, попадалась ли ему информация в других источниках (кроме сайта RussianShips.info) о том, что «Владимир Каврайский» был 2-винтовым. Он ответил, что согласно всем известным ему источникам, гидрографическое судно «Владимир Каврайский» имело 3 винта. --212.32.192.17 (talk) 09:00, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
• Tupsumato, хотелось бы ещё заметить, что в реале номинальная мощность (power rating) кормовых гребных электродвигателей постоянного тока ПГ-147 (PG-147) не соответствует 2500 л. с. (1900 кВт), как указано на сайте RussianShips.info, а равняется 1760 кВт ≈ 1800 кВт (2400 л. с.). Номинальная мощность носового гребного электродвигателя постоянного тока ПГ-146 (PG-146) на сайте RussianShips.info указана практически верно: 1175 кВт ≈ 1200 кВт (1600 л. с.); см.:
  1. A. F. Burkov; V. F. Verevkin (2018), Проектирование и расчёт элементов пропульсивных комплексов с гребными электрическими установками (PDF) (in Russian), Vladivostok: FEFU, pp. 17–18, ISBN 978-5-7444-4232-3, retrieved 2023-01-18.
  Кстати, такую же номинальную мощность кормовых гребных электродвигателей постоянного тока на научно-исследовательском ледоколе «Отто Шмидт» проекта 97Н указывает и Н. А. Кузнецов (4800 л. с. = 2 × 2400 л. с.):

  Мощность гребных электродвигателей, л. с.: 4800

  — Kuznetsov 2009, p. 29.

  --212.32.207.162 (talk) 23:30, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you again for confirming these details from Russian sources — I'll revise the article at some point when time allows. In the meanwhile, feel free to correct any details that are incorrect or missing in the article. Tupsumato (talk) 06:45, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Tupsumato, благодарю за Вашу работу! Однако я опасаюсь вносить правки в статьи англоязычной Википедии из-за грамматических ошибок, так как к сожалению не владею английским языком. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ --95.67.131.254 (talk) 10:40, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Tupsumato, я нашёл в одном источнике упоминание о том, что «Владимир Каврайский» имел 2 гребных винта:

  Propulsion: 3 diesels (13D100) driving 3 generators connected to electric motors: 5,400 hp; 2 shafts

  — Polmar, Norman (1986), Guide to the Soviet Navy (4th ed.), Annapolis, Md.: Naval Institute Press, p. 338, ISBN 0-87021-240-0, retrieved 2023-02-02.

  Однако боюсь, что Норман Полмар может ошибаться, поскольку там вначале у него уже присутствует вероятная ошибка — он пишет, что «Владимир Каврайский» был введён в строй в 1973 году ("Completed 1973"). В то время, как практически все российские источники утверждают, что «Владимир Каврайский» был введён в строй 31 декабря 1969 года, в том числе и официальный сайт разработчика судна — [6]. --80.234.77.251 (talk) 12:45, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Question

Hello Tupsumato. Can you take a look at the question I posed here? I suspect that a value for depth has been mistaken for draught/draft. Many thanks, Kablammo (talk) 12:26, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Reverted edition

Sorry I reverted your edition on Magadan (icebreaker); I was trying to reverse a previous one and it looks like the bot and you had already done the job. I see that you readded what I mistakenly reverted, so everything is fine now. Gorpik (talk) 09:33, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

No problem and thanks for keeping an eye on the article. Tupsumato (talk) 11:27, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

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Minor edit flag

Hi Tupsumato! I noticed that you are marking edits as minor that are not minor. Minor edit has a very specific definition on Wikipedia. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Thank you. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 15:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for reminding me. I admit I have used it incorrectly and will try to fix my bad habits in the future. Tupsumato (talk) 17:36, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Dali

Thanks for a nice set of edits. The only one that bothers me just a little is the question of the Maersk charter. Although I think that it is likely that Dali has been chartered continuously, I haven't found a reference for that - only that the ship started with Maersk, and is currently (hence my slightly clunky text). Can you find anything? - Davidships (talk) 03:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll try to find "positive evidence" of continuous Maersk charter. A quick search brought up mentions of Maersk chartering Dali in 2015, 2016, 2018 and 2020. Sea-web does not mention other companies associated with the ship either. Tupsumato (talk) 04:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks again MrT. After I retired, I hung on to my former employer's SeaWeb access for a while until they didn't renew (as they got free access to Clarksons database, which was fine from their point of view). Lloyd’s List Containers ex-Containerisation International might have something - Davidships (talk) 13:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Imperial or metric horsepowers?

Tupsumato, здравствуйте! Часто в созданных Вами статьях о советских (российских) или финских судах, а также о судах других европейских стран, Вы указываете мощность их судовых энергетических установок в имперских лошадиных силах (imperial horsepowers; English: hp). К примеру, Moskva (1959 icebreaker) § Power and propulsion. Насколько мне известно, практически во всех русскоязычных источниках (полагаю, что и в финноязычных источниках аналогично) мощность судовых энергетических установок приводится в метрических лошадиных силах (metric horsepowers; German: PS, Finnish: hv, Russian: л. с.). Между тем, имперские и метрические лошадиные силы несколько отличаются (и чем больше их числовое значение, тем существенней разница), например:

1. {{convert|3250|PS|hp kW|lk=in|abbr=on}} → 3,250 PS (3,210 hp; 2,390 kW).
2. {{convert|5500|PS|hp kW|abbr=on}} → 5,500 PS (5,400 hp; 4,000 kW).
3. {{convert|22000|PS|hp kW|abbr=on|-2}} → 22,000 PS (21,700 hp; 16,200 kW).

С уважением. --176.15.211.253 (talk) 19:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I have to admit I never thought of this but it makes sense and explains few minor discrepancies that I have encountered while writing and editing articles. Спасибо! It seems that I have a lot of reference-checking and minor editing work ahead of me... Tupsumato (talk) 20:10, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Since this issue is relevant for everyone writing about ships, I have brought it up on WikiProject Ships talk page. Tupsumato (talk) 20:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

• Ok, thanks! К сожалению это довольно распространённая ошибка… например, в англоязычной версии сайта Russianships.info данная ошибка тоже присутствует. С уважением. --176.15.211.253 (talk) 21:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

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