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Please comment on Talk:International Churches of Christ

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Kitchen Knife

Kitchen Knife at WP:NOR/N#Dongan Charter is clearly displaying "I don't hear you" mentality and another editor has also been reverting Kitchen Knife at both Dongan Charter and at Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court for the same reason. At this point I believe it is beyond a content dispute and he clearly is a POV pusher and at this point I think he needs to be treated as a vandal; do I still have to be careful about 3RR? Given that the spirit of 3RR kicks in long before the technical words of what 3RR literally is, I don't want to even violate the spirit and edit war, but that's what is going on given that he will not compromise or discuss. To him Western Hemisphere is HIS definition, and all others are wrong.Camelbinky (talk) 14:26, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Ban Appeal of AKonanykhin

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Regarding Eric Corbett

Gaijin42, your comments on Eric's page did not help the situation. When someone is clearly upset, antagonising them as you did is not an acceptable behaviour. If I find you acting in that manner again, I will not hesitate to block you. I would advise you to keep away from Eric Corbett's page in future. Worm^TT(talk) 16:14, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

User:Worm That Turned Since I was directly the target of Eric's NPA, I think my commenting on it is entirely appropriate. Please also see my latest post on AN, where I provided diffs of very friendly interaction with Eric. I am not one of the anti-Eric cabal, and I find your suggestion that I should just let Eric call me a cunt and not say anything about it ludicrous. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:17, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I never said you should not say anything, but your comments on that talk page were unhelpful. There are ways to handle such things and provoking the person who's clearly upset is not the way to do it. Worm^TT(talk) 18:45, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

As I just posted on AN, I don't agree with your reading of that remark. Your "the melodramatic passive aggressive outrage is really cliche" is a personal attack in my book, and if I were a die-hard civility cop I could block you for it. Eric would have been--except that the civility police is monitoring his lexicon, not any kind of context or intent, as they ought to. Can you really maintain your response was meant to be helpful, that you were not trying to provoke? I'm really quite disappointed, with the whole situation of course, but with that remark of yours as well. Such venting is always unproductive when done publicly. But I'm kind of out of words right now. Drmies (talk) 17:23, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Gaijin42, I'm sorry to see that, after being the target of an unprovoked attack by Eric Corbett, some people want to paint you as the bad guy. I just wanted to say that I value your contributions to Wikipedia. -- 101.119.14.248 (talk) 02:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

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Monster (company)

An IP address just added a large unsourced section to the article about an individual trademark dispute (this particular company has been involved in hundreds). I can't revert on account of my COI and I figured you were an editor that was involved in the page previously, who I haven't bothered recently.

I was wondering if I could ask you to take a look? CorporateM (Talk) 13:04, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

BTW - another editor got this already, sorry for pestering! CorporateM (Talk) 23:12, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

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Your comment on AN

Proper notification was given to CorporateM. See the second post. Arri at Suburban Express (talk) 20:05, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Arri at Suburban ExpressNo, proper notifaction was not given. Per the warning at the top of the AN page "When you start a discussion about an editor, you must leave notice on the editor's talk page." There is no notice on their talk page [1], . a ping does not count. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:36, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Well... sometimes editors are raising the notification issue before the other editor's browser has even finished loading from hitting the Save button. And they did attempt to mention me, which would have put a ping in my notifications.

Anyways, Gaijin, there is still a lawsuit on the Monster (company) page at the bottom of the Trademark Disputes section that is only sourced to a primary source. Do you think you can take a look? (see discussion at the bottom of Talk). CorporateM (Talk) 21:17, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Monster cable

I would suggest you take the time to establish the facts of trade mark law and the relevance to monster cable ... The company is selling goods that are a trade mark infringement within the EU and they are carrying out a trade mark violation .. this will not change as they have already done it, and are doing it . It is history .. no matter how you wish to sit on the side of Monster it has occurred and is fact. Wiki is open source and as such points of interest are for it to portray that is all the sentence you feel fit to remove does . States FACT

If you would prefer I will ask ONIX DNA to publish the court papers and the various success actions and link to them , I have chosen to allow those that might have an interest to find out by way of the CTM register http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/RequestManager/en_DetailCTM_NoReg and draw an opinion . It is not soap boxing it is FACT . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.99.143.79 (talk) 02:12, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Hey, you probably didn't see but there was a fairly extensive discussions previously about whether the Lead should be 1 or 2 paragraphs. Who woulda thunk that we could find something so incredibly unimportant to debate eh? I would compare it to battles over dashes and grammar and the like. Who cares? But I reverted merely to follow consensus(ish). CorporateM (Talk) 19:34, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

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The CCI you supported has been opened

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WP:CANVASS

I'm sure you've heard of it ... even though you appear to be violating it ES&L 16:40, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Maybe you need to re-read it? EatsShootsAndLeavesPer the linked guideline Appropriate notification On the user talk pages of concerned editors. Examples include: Editors who have made substantial edits to the topic or article Editors who have participated in previous discussions on the same topic (or closely related topics) Gaijin42 (talk) 16:43, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Within reason - you seem to have notified far more editors, concerned or not, than would be considered to be "reasonable" ES&L 09:58, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't see a canvas problem. Lots of editors on both sides of the issue are getting the notice. And, Gaijin, I actually came to your talk page to suggest posting on some other WikiProject talk pages. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany & Wikipedia:WikiProject Russia. – S. Rich (talk) 18:14, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

That would have been preferable overall ES&L 09:58, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Blocked for breaching your gun control topic ban

To enforce an arbitration decision, and for breaching the topic ban imposed in the gun control case with these edits which blatantly relate to the interaction of gun control and the stand-your-ground law, you have been blocked from editing for a period of two days. You are welcome to edit once the block expires; however, please note that the repetition of similar behavior may result in a longer block. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the guide to appealing arbitration enforcement blocks and then appeal your block using the instructions there. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:19, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

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Callanec I have asked for clarification multiple times on the scope of the ban and received no response. Including specifically asking about the SYG article. Stand your ground is not a gun control law. It is a self defense law. No where in the law does it mention guns (although admittedly most that avail themselves of the law do use guns). Past the ambiguity in the ban, I think WP:BANEX applies to at least one of those edits, as multiple (purported) living people are mentioned in a negative light, without any source making them BLP violations (and even if sourced they probably violate WP:WELLKNOWN and WP:BLPCRIME all BLP issues). Based on the writing style id also put money that its a copyvio. (Although since unsourced, and based on some of the items (doing cartwheels) I wouldn't be suprised if its just made up too , therefore falling under the vandalism part of WP:BANEX)Gaijin42 (talk) 13:33, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Gaijin, I'm totally neutral 3rd party here - if you "think" it's a copyvio but have no proof, then it does not meet BANEX, and COPYVIO does not equal Vandalism. Overall, the topic ban ban needs no clarification: it the article has even remote relationship to gun control, it's inside the envelope of the topic ban - simple as that the panda ɛˢˡ” 13:49, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

EatsShootsAndLeaves The BLP claim to BANEX is stronger, and does not suffer from those issues. On the other point, the law in no way addresses "governmental regulation of firearm ownership". It doesn't even address firearm use. Its about lethal force, which could be a knife, a bat, a car, your fists. If the topic ban is Anything to do with firearms or self defense, then they should say so. Every every topic that has a second or third order relationship to guns is covered that is a very wide ranging topic ban. Gaijin42 (talk) 14:06, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

And its confirmed copyvio in any case, 100% copypasta from [2] (Although I would certainly not consider this the ultimate source, this text is duplicated many times around the internet. Gaijin42 (talk) 14:13, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Salvio_giuliano replying to you here, because making a copy request is cumbersome for each statement. Feel free to copy to the discussion if you think it should be. The area of dispute and disruption was the intersection of the holocaust and gun control. The topic ban was expanded to gun control as a whole. Sure, nip the problem in the bud, I understand. Now the already expanded scope, is being further expanded to be anything involving guns, and laws that do not address guns and certainly do not address "gun control". I have asked for clarification multiple times and gotten nothing but silence, and in the absence of that clarification, I can only do what I think right and best. I reverted a change, and had I known the drama it would cause I certainly would not have done so, - but it was done in the interest of improving the encyclopedia. I removed Copyright violating, un-sourced, WP:BLPNAME, WP:BLPCRIME, WP:WELLKNOWN BLP violating content. And you want to sanction me for it. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:12, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

AndyTheGrump is it your opinion that this edit(s) is NOT a BLP violation ? [3] (In particular, WP:BLPNAME, WP:BLPCRIME, WP:WELLKNOWN, WP:BLPSOURCES, WP:BLPREMOVE) Gaijin42 (talk) 19:45, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Seraphimblade SYG is indeed a regulation, and often that regulation is applied to use of guns. (Although I am not aware of any that are explicitly mentioning firearms, but rather lethal force For example, [4]] here is an article mentioning several SYG cases, 2 of which are a stabbing, 1 of which appears to be physical assault, and 2 of which involved a gun. or [5] [6] etc.) but it does not affect regulation of civilian ownership of guns, which was very clearly spelled out as the scope of the ban.

Beyond that, is there any way which [7] can be interpreted as NOT being a BLP violation? (WP:BLPNAME, WP:BLPCRIME, WP:WELLKNOWN, WP:BLPSOURCES, WP:BLPREMOVE) ? Unless you are going to argue that that is in fact BLP complaint, my reversion falls squarely in WP:BANEX. As it was a copyright violation to boot which causes legal liability for the wiki, is there any way which my removal of that content could be considered something other than a plus for the wiki? Gaijin42 (talk) 20:13, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Claiming BANEX after you've been blocked for it (which based on the above looks like trying to find an excuse) doesn't work very well, especially when whether that article is covered by the topic ban is currently being discussed. Given the two arbitrators who have commented so far have both said that they are considering harsher sanctions it looks like they agree that the intersection of the use of guns and controlling when they may or may not be used is covered. Just clarifying a point you made above you are able to make an edit which relates to knives being used as a part of SYG but as it controls the use of guns (when they may be used, concealed, etc). Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 01:46, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Callanecc Your clarification confused me (it seems that there may be missing words there or grammar error or something?) (I may edit related to knives, but (not?) as controls guns?) Are you saying that I would be allowed to edit SYG or other articles, just not portions which directly address guns?

Under that understanding, your block is then only due to the first diff , but not the second/third which did not have any gun content? Do you think that this interpretation is shared among the rest of the Arbs? Could you comment as to your own interpretation of some of the other articles I asked for clarification on?

I think you may be confused as to what SYG actually does. It does not address concealed carry, ownership of guns, restrictions on types or features of guns, or explicitly the use of guns at all. It is "merely" removing the "duty to retreat" before force may be used to defend oneself. Certainly one of the most common ways people defend themselves is by shooting, but as the articles I linked above show, there are plenty of non-gun examples. I believe our article is fairly clear and well sourced as to this definition of SYG.

Gaijin42 (talk) 02:10, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

You'd be able to edit the bit which don't relate to the control and use of guns.

Yes it is, just the first diff. I suspect so as the content of that diff is what has been referred to so far. I'd rather not, just because while ever it's with the Committee, my opinion is that it should be them deciding what's

I realise that, but the 'examples' you removed related to "getting away with" (I know, not the right term but I couldn't think of what to say there) shooting firearms due to SYG and so they therefore are covered by the TBAN. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 02:37, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Callanecc Thank you, that is very helpful in understanding the scope of the ban. I think I can deduce how it would apply to several of the other articles I asked about. If only the 1st diff is at issue, I am somewhat baffled that removing BLP violating, copyright violating content is cause for sanction, regardless of when I mentioned WP:BANEX. That the issue revolves around the edit summary I chose to use seems to run up against WP:NOTBUREAUCRACY pretty hard imo. In retrospect I probably should have emailed oversight, not only due to the ban, but because the names should be redacted; but if I survive this round I guess I've learned a valuable lesson on how to handle issues in this area.

If you feel it is not inappropriate, I would appreciate it if you would comment in the ongoing discussion that in your opinion only the first diff is at issue, and that the second two diffs were not in violation of the ban - certainly on the part of some of the non-arbs involved I think that is not the ongoing understanding. (Particularly Andy, and Artifex who made the complaint which strongly implies the entire article is squarely in the ban) Gaijin42 (talk) 02:56, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

No necessarily to the edit summary you choose to use, but you need to make it very obvious that you are invoking WP:BANEX, especially when the exact limits of the TBAN are being discussed at the time. Otherwise it looks like exactly what it did, that you are gaming the system and pushing the limits of the TBAN. I think what some of the others are suggesting is that you take every page which is even tangentially related to your TBAN (such as SYG) off your watchlist so that you don't notice the edit and therefore don't need to worry about whether it's related or not.

I've clarified my basis for the block as well as mentioning that this section is worth looking at. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 03:09, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Callanecc Thank you. I will be perfectly honest. I didn't invoke BANEX, because I didn't think the topic ban applied to the article (which you agree it does not). It apparently did apply to that particular edit. I personally disagree with the idea that a law being gun control or not depends on the situation which the law is applied; but if the interpretation of the ban is "any situation which a law was be applied where a gun was used, even if that law is not specifically targeted at ownership/use of guns" then I will comply with that. BTW, some of my comments above may be slightly confusing, I just realized now that you are an Arb Clerk, but I was thinking that you were an actual Arb before so that is why I was asking you for the other clarifications. Gaijin42 (talk) 03:25, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Doorbot

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Your recent Hackaday edit

Hi, You recently deleted a number of references from the Hackaday article citing WP:RS, however I believe 6 of the entries you removed to be in error.

Specifically links to Joystiq, Gizmodo and The Register. Rather than revert or talk on the article, I felt it best to raise this directly with you given the current COI situation on the article (FD: I read Hackaday).

Though Joystick, Gizmodo and The Register are all blogs, WP:RS and WP:V specifically exempt professional outlets self declaring as 'blogs'. All three are commercial entities employing professional writers, and all three have significant circulation and/or Alexa ranking (eg Register circulation is 350,000 per day (per WP), Gizmodo Alexa rank is 483 (per WP)). Would you consider reviewing your edit on this basis?

FalconZero (talk) 05:18, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

really? ;)

I've come to realise that I cock up so much stuff it's unrealistic to list everyone who has pointed out my mistakes... I've just kept the two I know outside Wikipedia so they don't yell at me in person :$ --Rachel P. (talk) 22:00, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Deletion Nominations

Thank you for the explanation, that allows me to add citations from media sources to allow them to meet the criteria for importance/significance --Rachelpadden (talk) 16:04, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Apologies if this is wrongly formatted but (as you'll probably have gathered) I'm relatively new to Wikipedia. I'm just wondering if you could clarify why five of the six pages I've created have been nominated for speedy deletion. I've read both the Criteria for speedy deletion and Credible claim of significance articles but am still unclear as to the reason. Thank you! --Rachelpadden (talk) 15:52, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

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Regarding "FamilyMart in Taiwan"

I believe "FamilyMart in Taiwan" shouldn't be deleted.

This subject is notable. Out of convenience stores in Taiwan, FamilyMart is the second most popular (defined by the number of stores), and is gradually rising in importance. 7-Eleven is ranked first, and has its own page on Wikipedia, which is named "7-Eleven in Taiwan". Therefore, I believe FamilyMart in Taiwan has the right to have its own article.

Gaijin42 also mentioned that, "All refs are from Family Mart, except one". However, this is untrue, as there are three references (APT; Taiwan Insights; WantChinaTimes) that are not from FamilyMart websites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 16nickw (talk • contribs) 03:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

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Topic ban question

Callanec In your opinion, would commenting on the WP:TITLE discussion at Talk:Byron David Smith killings be a violation of my topic ban? Gaijin42 (talk) 01:53, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

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James T. Butts, Jr.

I saw that you were active at BLPN and was hoping I might draw your attention to this article RE BLP concerns. There is currently an ongoing discussion about the use of op-eds and primary sources for contentious material. I posted at BLPN here, but in the past I have seen my BLPN posts archived without discussion or remedy unless I ask editors to participate, like I'm doing now. CorporateM (Talk) 15:54, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

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DYK nom for Granny

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Ramakrishna

Hi Gaijin,

Considering our shared history, I am not comfortable with you stepping into the Ramakrishna talk page. Your action is a bit ironic considering your previous accusation that I have stalked you.[8](Goethean personal attacks and incivility (including seeking me out to respond to comments in threads he is not even involved in on topics other than gun control!) [42] (to the point where even people who agree with his POV call his behavior bizzare) [43][44][45] [46] [47] [48]) — goethean 16:48, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'm sorry you don't feel comfortable with it, but we don't have an interaction ban, and since I basically took your side, I am unsure why you are complaining. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:52, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

So you maintain that you have the right to follow me around Wikipedia, but that I am not allowed to comment on ANI threads in which you have participated? Please advise. — goethean 17:20, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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After reading your comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cody Alain (2nd nomination), I checked what I could of editor EditorialExpert's edit history and came to the conclusion that if EditorialExpert was not closely related to P1M, then it was a mighty big coincidence. I have notified EditorialExpert of Wikipedia's COI provisions on that editor's usertalk page. I have also reported same to the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Cody Alain et al.. Just thought I'd let you know. --Bejnar (talk) 06:23, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

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Hi again. The editor who re-started the article has been blocked for COI/Spam reasons. I think it's a good enough article that needs work, but it's fine by me if you re-nominate it. I'd go into this further but it's the second of the three most important evenings of 2014. Go Queensland! Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:18, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

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Shirt58 No worries about the template. Convenience is key imo :) Gaijin42 (talk) 14:36, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

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Callanecc Sandstein Lord Roem EdJohnston I have been name dropped twice now by Lightbreather in her ARE posts. Am I permitted to respond without violating my ban? Gaijin42 (talk) 21:25, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

I can't see where you've been named dropped. In any case we can't give you permission to edit in an area subject to your ban. Because it was imposed by ArbCom, only they can change it. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:23, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Callanecc I'm mentioned in in the Scalhotrod section, and also was mentioned in the SR post, but LB removed it [9] As it looks like this issue is being closed, I won't press the issue, but I think its really bad form to be discussing people's actions and statements that cannot respond. I may post to the Arb Clarification board for if this type of thing comes up in the future. Gaijin42 (talk) 14:49, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

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Background for 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict

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About the article I mentioned.

Do you want to create the article I mentioned earlier and I'll provide the sources? You probably have a better chance of it not being deleted than I would if I were to make it. Knightmare72589 (talk) 22:21, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

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Could someone approve my AWB permissions request? I have some tasks I'd like to get started on using the tool. Gaijin42 (talk) 00:56, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Your wish, etc. Enjoy your new toy. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:52, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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Shooting of M Brown

I didn't mean to blow up quite like that at the juvie records lawsuit discussion, I guess I must have been having flashbacks to TM, I do apologize for being so curt. Anyway, now that I've had a chance to read the whole motion for the release of his records, all I can say is OMG. If this turns out to be true, then RS will be all over this. Isaidnoway (talk) 21:48, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

ProveIt gadget

Hey Gaijin, what's the ProveIt gadget and what's your experience been with it? Thanks, --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 16:25, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Scalhotrod User:ProveIt_GT. Its good for most normal ref adding. just make sure you choose the right citation type before you fill out the form, if you switch, it clears the form. It would be perfect if it implemented something like reflinks internally for automatically populating the form. Dunno if it handles the list style references like are being used in the Michael Brown article (I'm assuming you saw my comment on another editor's page who is also editing that article) Gaijin42 (talk) 23:45, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Very cool, thanks! I'm looking forward to trying this out. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 16:16, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Edit summary

"Dangling Ginsberg" may be the greatest edit summary I've ever seen. Well done. Dyrnych (talk) 22:48, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Laurie Pawlitza

I have added more independent sources. Because she is an office holder and has been at the forefront of changing the law of same-sex adoption in canada, Pawlitza meets the notability criteria.Martinscriminalcode (talk) 14:55, 31 August 2014 (UTC)martinscriminalcode

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Good catch on that sock. Subject wrote a hoplophobic blog piece. I googled him to see who he was. I asked for citations in his articles and got threatened by the peacenik, himself, or his sycophants. I don't see it as a GC issue at all.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 22:33, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

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Berean Hunter I usually just nuke it blank when I get annoyed, but I suppose I should stop being lazy and set up archiving. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:59, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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War of the Pacific

Hello Gaijin42,

thanks for your work for wikipedia. I disagree with (the result of) your rationale but you gave an explanation and that is OK. I started WP:DRN#War of the Pacific. --Keysanger (Talk) 10:02, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

P.S.: You should also close Talk:War_of_the_Pacific#Request_to_close_the_discussion_of_the_RfC , the second one. --Keysanger (Talk) 10:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

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Trying to reconstruct how many shots were fired and how in the Wilson/Brown case

I've added some information to my talk page in response to your comments. More will be added as I have time. Feel free to weigh in with quotes or analysis. Michael-Ridgway (talk) 19:15, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Brown

Hi, I deleted that section because it is based on an OP that uses an unspecified Aug 12 reliable source that is never given in the discussion. --Bob K31416 (talk) 21:30, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Molyneux philosopher?

Hi, I see that you're new to this article. The philosopher bit has been going on for months now. There was an RfC and much discussion before and after that, so if the discussion continues, you might want to examine the archives. I believe the consensus is clear that there's no RS for that claim, even if there are a small number of media which either repeat Molyneux' self-description or take it from his promotional tagline for his online presence. RS depends on the claim and context. By WP standards, no knowledgeable observers in the field label Molyneux a philosopher such that it can be stated in WP's voice. SPECIFICO talk 21:50, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

SPECIFICO I may be mis-remembering, but I think I participated in that RFC and !voted for self-described. (IIRC, RFCbot introduced me to that article, but maybe it was WP:ANRFC). Neotarf's most recent link to his source collection was interesting. It moves me closer to accepting a dropping of the "self described" but I don't think its there yet. I agree the sourcing is not reliable or independent enough for that yet. (But admittedly sourcing is not entirely absent which was my previous opinion) Gaijin42 (talk) 21:57, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh. I didn't recall you'd previously been on the page. Well, none of those sources are RS to call someone a philosopher. Frankly, I don't have a strong opinion about the "calls himself a philosopher" bit. It's silly, but when there are virtually no RS which discuss his views, some editors might think it is helpful. I tend to agree that the list of interests gives a better sense of his scope anyway. We wouldn't want every BLP to recite how the subjects describe themselves. I don't think that would be constructive. SPECIFICO talk 22:06, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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War of the Pacific (2)

Hello Gaijin42,

As I told you above, I posted the case War of the Pacific to WP:DRN but until now no volunteer has taken the case. Also DS, the other claimer, hasn't posted anything. I wanted to choose a volunteer from the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard/Volunteers list, but I remembered that you have already done 90% of the work: you have read the long discussion and understood the main aspects of the discussion. Would you work as mediator in this case? That would make a lot of things easier than if a new wikipedian begins to read ... . I hope you accept the challenge.

Anyway, thanks in advance, --Keysanger (Talk) 18:48, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Keysanger as I am previously involved, and even stated an opinion as to how I would !vote, I think me mediating ths dispute may be inappropriate. However, the issue is moot unless DS comments, DRN is voluntary, and nobody is required to participate. Thus, without DS's participation, the dispute is likely to stay exactly where it is now. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:53, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

DS's silence would be the weakest form of consensus, but consensus. Wouldn't?. --Keysanger (Talk) 19:07, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Keysanger,WP:SILENCE is consensus only when there is no evidence of a dispute. The RFC is evidence of the dispute. As the page says Wikipedia:Silence_and_consensus#What_does_not_constitute_silence " As far as the difference between dissent and silence is concerned, if you voice dissent, failure to make your dissent heated and continuous does not constitute silence and therefore does not constitute consent. Withdrawing from communication with a tendentious or quarrelsome editor does not give that editor consent to do what they like. " (Note that I am not calling you tendentious or quarrelsome, thats just the way the page is written) Gaijin42 (talk) 19:12, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

I proposed two alternatives, I talked directly in the talk page, I started a RfC, and now, ongoing, is the DRN. If it doesn't work, then the next would be WP:RFAR, it is the last resort. Is there another instance before?. --Keysanger (Talk) 20:22, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

WP:RFAR will almost assuredly be declined with no action as they address only conduct issues and not content disputes. There is formal mediation, but again that requires voluntary participation. In the end, there not being a strong consensus for or against a particular change is not a "problem" for the wiki. Your most likely avenue of change is to 1) wait a while (a month or more perhaps). 2) start another RFC which most importantly is written neutrally and CONCISELY. And get wider outside input for it. (neutrally posting at relevant wikiprojects or noticeboards).3) Do not spam the RFC with your own opinion and arguments over and over again, as that will just discourage outside input. Make your case - once. Then let others contribute. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:29, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, about DS I can offer both, content and conduct issues. You have read the content issues. But there is also a long list of conduct issues. --Keysanger (Talk) 20:47, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

I have given you my advice. That is all I can do. I would be wary of the WP:BOOMERANG going after someone for conduct without very strong evidence though, especially as I think there are things in your own actions that could be pointed out as well. I reiterate my prediction that ArbCom will almost certainly decline the case as not being a source of significant disruption to the wiki. If you think there are conduct issues worthy of sanction, you could also try for something more surgical at WP:ANI/WP:AN but as this really does seem primarily as a content dispute, such an action is likely to be seen as WP:GAMEing the system, and may boomerang on you. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:52, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

I am not aware to have gamed the system or similar, but I will take your advice seriously. Thanks and regards, --Keysanger (Talk) 21:24, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Keysanger I did not mean to imply that you had already gamed. I meant that when there is a content dispute, and someone rings up conduct accusations, unless the evidence for conduct issues is very strong, the act of making those accusations is itself often seen as gaming to gain an advantage in the content dispute. Gaijin42 (talk) 21:30, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

So I understand. --Keysanger (Talk) 21:35, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

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Regarding this edit: [10]. Would you please remove it and take it to my talk page? Thank you. Lightbreather (talk) 23:43, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

In fact, I should very much like it if you quit following me around to badger me.

That is a serious request.

This is just a suggestion: to consider why you felt it necessary to call "inappropriate" my criticism of a crappy source - this source, [11] - in a discussion.[12] In other words, to criticize critical words about a source in an edit summary, but you're fighting so hard - [13], one of your several comments in this discussion - and badgering me in my effort to make edit summaries more civil, which is basically already POLICY and just needs to be clarified and emphasized. Just something to think about.

I am pinging Drmies just in case this problem grows rather than dies. Lightbreather (talk) 15:52, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

It was inappropriate because you took something that was sourced, removed the source, and then said it was unsourced. If you think the source is questionable, there are tags specifically for that purpose, and also talk page discussions. Removing the source takes away the ability for other editors to evaluate the source on their own, and makes the content subject to summary deletion. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:13, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Then the appropriate thing for you to do at that time, if you thought that xmag.com was a RS, was to address it at that time on that article's talk page. Not later at RSN in a question about different sources, lukeisback and sexherald.

I noticed it due to the RSN. You made a comment about sourcing, I took a look at your recent contribs to get some context about where and how the sources you asked about were being used. When asking about 2 low quality porn refs, an action you took regarding a 3rd low quality porn ref is perfectly on topic, because similar actions might be undertaken about the other two. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:52, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I am not badgering you. You are making unilateral un-discussed changes to policies, policies that I have had watchlisted and collaborated on for longer than you have been an editor. I probably support 3 of your changes, and the 4th I think you might get support for with tweaks - but I absolutely correctly pointed out to you that changes to policy require a higher level of consensus than normal WP:BRD. I am badgering you so much that I have reverted you ZERO times, and only voiced my opinion when someone else reverted you, and then they started a thread discussing the changes. Changes to policy require consensus. You made a proposal that was opposed 15 to 8, and then went ahead and made the change anyway. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:13, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure that it's relevant, but on a technicality, someone else in the above is me, and I did NOT start a new thread, I put my explanation of my revert in the RFC thread, from where Lightbreather transferred it to a new thread, though I don't know whether that matters or not.Tlhslobus (talk) 21:58, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

No problem, T. I don't have a major beef with you - just the little thing that I brought up at WT:NPA. This is a Gaijin-and-me thing.Lightbreather (talk) 22:37, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

(ec) I beg to differ about the badgering, Gaijin42, and here are a few with diffs.[14][15][16] The first is an uninvited, patronizing lecture with nine "you" or "your" statements. The second was an excuse to repeat your opinion on "censorship" - which was not the topic of the discussion. The third, if the comment was necessary at all, was you badgering me about something you'd brought up - and which I'd answered - before.

As for the changes, I had no problem with your post pointing out WP:CONLIMITED; it was completely civil, almost friendly, and constructive.[17] After that, not.[18][19][20] The last one was especially snarky - 12 occurrences of "you" or "your" - with the last sentence like a cherry on top: "Get consensus for your policy changes, if you can, but if rules like 'dont say anything negatitve about an edit in an edit summary' are what you are hoping for, I sincerely hope you fail." Get consensus for your policy changes, if you can? [If] rules like 'dont say anything negatitve about an edit in an edit summary' are what you are hoping for? I sincerely hope you fail? Lightbreather (talk) 21:05, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

My proposal is two add these two sentences...

Because they appear in many places and cannot be changed, never post personalized, critical edit summaries. Make critical comments, when necessary, on talk pages or other appropriate forums for content and conduct disputes.

... to the end of the WP:AVOIDYOU policy. Please provide a diff where I added that. Lightbreather (talk) 21:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

[21] substantially implements Q2 from your RFC. I freely admit you did not make the primary change of your RFC though. But you either were making partial/subsidiary changes from an RFC that obviously did not have support, or you were making undiscussed changes to a policy (though you may not have been aware of ConLimited at the time and trying to be WP:BOLD). I also admit my posts got snarkier as that discussion went on - after you were responding to another editor by saying "worse" is incivility, and particularly after you accused me of baiting you. You responded to me (and Tlhslobus as if the policy you desire is the actual policy - which it is not. "The position MAY be legitimate, but it doesn't belong in an edit summary." As for my last comment, yes, I hope an effort to implement a policy like that fails, because I think it would be bad for the wiki. You may hope it succeeds because you think it would be good for the wiki. Shrug. Lets move on, this isn't helpful to the wiki, or healthy for either of us.Gaijin42 (talk) 21:23, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

None of the changes I made changed policy. However, rather than argue that here, I am going back there. If you re-join the discussion, please WP:AVOIDYOU. Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 23:07, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I am fine with edit summaries being civil, I am not fine with your definition of "incivility" which is that a legitimate criticism of the EDIT is uncivil. Take a good read through the posts I made in that thread and rate them on a scale of 1-10 on civility, and then take a good look at your post accusing me of baiting you (in an edit summary none-the-less). Which of us has been incivil again?

When you are making waves in multiple policies, arbcom, jimbo's page, noticeboards, and wiki-drama boards, saying "don't follow me" is a way of saying "don't participate in wikipedia". Gaijin42 (talk) 16:13, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Making waves? My work here on WP is all done in good faith. If you have a problem with my action anywhere on WP, take your evidence to the appropriate forum and pursue... whatever it is that you want to pursue. Do NOT make general statements about me here to try to devalue my complaint or arguments. What I said above is don't follow me to badger me. Considering how many thousands of work areas there are here on WP, I'd prefer that you not follow me at all, but if you do follow me, or if we happen to end up in the same discussion - don't badger me. Lightbreather (talk) 22:52, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I also have had to ask Gaijin to stop stalking me.[22][23] — goethean 17:30, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Commenting on an article that was being discussed at noticeboards is hardly stalking, particularly when my comment agreed with your position. But if we are going to make such accusations, its amazing how you knew to drop in here and comment... I get along fine with Andy, Specifico, and several others from the good old days and we have collaborated on various articles and topics. If you have a problem, then you have a problem, not me. Gaijin42 (talk) 17:44, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Then why did you present in an Arbcom case one of my comments at ANI as evidence of supposed misbehavior? — goethean 19:56, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm very sorry to see you're getting so much grief here, Gaijin42, seemingly largely as a result of correctly and generously defending me from the accusation by an editor I had reverted that it was "uncivil" of me to say in the edit summary of that edit revert that the reverted edit 'makes things worse' (I added that the details were in Talk). I also said there that it lacked consensus but was not accused of incivility for that. I also got criticized by the same person because the edit summary automatically inserted by the 'undo' software named the person whose edit is being undone. I have pointed out what's wrong with these criticisms but not one of them has this criticism but it has not yet been withdrawn (although you presumably have seen all this yourself - this is more of a brief and incomplete summary in case this row ends up being adjudicated).

Is there anything I can usefully do to help? Tlhslobus (talk) 22:03, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

"I also got criticized by the same person because the edit summary automatically inserted by the 'undo' software named the person whose edit is being undone." This is not true, but I will be returning to that discussion as soon as I'm done responding to Gaijin's remarks here. Lightbreather (talk) 22:44, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, it's certainly how it felt at the time. But on re-reading it I now realize that I probably misunderstood what you were saying about it being a 'perfect example", etc. So I withdraw that particular statement and apologize for it.Tlhslobus (talk) 23:18, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

That is very kind of you. Thank you. Lightbreather (talk) 23:25, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

And it's very kind of you to say so. Thank you, Lightbreather.Tlhslobus (talk) 02:46, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

And by the way, in case you didn't notice it,there's a second message from me lost somewhere in the middle of this thread.Tlhslobus (talk) 22:13, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I did, and responded up there. No (major) beef with you, but with Gaijin42. As I said, I will return to WT:NPA shortly. Lightbreather (talk) 22:44, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

As anybody looking at the edit history can see, my previous message (22:13, 18 September 2014 (UTC)) was addressed to Gaijin42, not Lightbreather. Tlhslobus (talk) 23:02, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't catch that the edit[24] was to G. in particular. Lightbreather (talk) 23:31, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

No problem, Lightbreather. But a tip for future reference - some of this kind of confusion can often be avoided or at least minimized by proper indentation. In this case, if you had indented your comment of 22:44, 18 September 2014 (UTC) one step further in, it would have been visually much clearer that my comment of 22:13, 18 September 2014 (UTC) was originally connected to my comment of 22:03, 18 September 2014 (UTC). But no need to worry, as no real harm was done. Tlhslobus (talk) 02:46, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Tlhslobus, thanks. Actually, I was going to comment about your indentation style yesterday, but I didn't want to appear to be antagonistic. But since the subject is broached, I find your indent style atypical. Maybe we should both review WP:TPG. Lightbreather (talk) 02:54, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Lightbreather, thanks for the tip, and my apologies - clearly I shouldn't have indented my comment of 22:13, 18 September 2014 (UTC) Tlhslobus (talk) 03:45, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

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L235 Since remedy 1 has been removed, and the new remedy is actually applying DS everywhere, it may make sense to move the WP:ARBAPDS shortcut to point to the new remedy. This would have the effect of retroactively changing any discussions that pointed to that shortcut, but that could be a good thing so that someone clicking on the shortcut is aware of the most recent remedy. Gaijin42 (talk) 21:14, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, that's a good idea. I've brought this up on the mailing list. Thanks, L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 21:32, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

(Wearing both my arbcom and long-time RfD contributor hats) When changing the destination of shortcut links, one has to be very careful about what already points there so as not to disrupt (typically by breaking the context of) old discussions, and avoid accidental disruption in the future when people link to it expecting it to go to X (as it has done for years) when it now goes to Y. In this case, because the targets are directly related and the new supercedes the old, I think a retargetting would be OK provided a hatnote is added at the new target noting the change (including the date of the change) and linking to the previous target. Wait until you get some more comments here before proceding though (or nominate it at RfD if you prefer). Thryduulf (talk) 21:46, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

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The reason why we have started the new page 'British Israel -- The Facts' is the frustrations we have met over the continuous deletions we have experienced on the page 'British Israelism'. There appears to be a bias against new evidences for our subject on which we know a very great deal, it have been our study for many decades. Also, we have to mention here that with the heavily referenced work and comment to Tudor Parfitt on the page 'British Israelism' there is most certainly a bias against the very concept of British Israel; Parfitt will of course tend towards a vested interest from his published works and academic Jewish links. Michael A Clark

(talk page stalker) User:Michael A Clark Who are "we"? You speak of vested interest. I've asked you on your talk page to clarify your role in the movement specifically the British organisation that runs the website in my next sentence, where someone with your name is listed as President . In any case your article was a WP:CONTENTFORK with copyvio from [25] and a violation of WP:NPOV. Finally, Gaijin42 didn't delete your page, it was deleted 3 times by 2 administrators, so you are posting to the wrong person. Doug Weller (talk) 12:56, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

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I'm not sure what interpretation of MOS:IDENTITY has led you to remove any feminine pronouns from the article, but I'm reading it and it clearly says this: Any person whose gender might be questioned should be referred to by the pronouns, possessive adjectives, and gendered nouns ... that reflect that person's latest expressed gender self-identification. This applies in references to any phase of that person's life, unless the subject has indicated a preference otherwise. The article's editnotice also clearly says not to go out of the way to avoid pronoun use. Please do not change this again. Chase (talk | contributions) 17:16, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

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"King Mez" was also featured on a project by Lecrae titled Church Clothes 2 that debuted on the No. 21 spot on the Billboard 200, No. 1 on the Billboard Christian Albums and Gospel Albums charts on a track called "Lost My Way" (featuring King Mez & Daniel Day).

Please allow us to create this page, as to the fact he has numerous mentions on Wikipedia and we would like to source the mentions back to his page. Thank you in advance.

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hey... I noticed [26] DS Alert log of you A-I alerting Huldra but I can't fibd the edit in page or editor edit history. Any idea what happened?...

Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 14:29, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Georgewilliamherbert I do not know. revdel/oversight? data loss? If it was intentionally deleted, that's quite concerning. I do notice that when you alert someone, and do the search for prior alerts, the alert you are giving at that moment shows up in the list even though you have not yet saved it. Perhaps somehow the log was committed but the edit was lost? (either through my mistake, or some bug)?Gaijin42 (talk) 14:44, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Do you recall any context?

I emailed Arbcom, if there are log accuracy problems we have a real problem...

Let's see if we can figure it out.

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Georgewilliamherbert the only PIA article I was editing in that timeframe was Carlos Latuff. There were some issues like this comment that raised my radar enough for the alert (though that particular edit happened after the alert). It could have also been due to the dispute over the lead ([27]) that was ultimately resolved by RFC. I did another DS to pluto2012 alert a few days later which Nishidani deleted and then ended up restoring restoring but other than being in a close timeframe and about the same article, I dunno if it has any relationship.Gaijin42 (talk) 15:12, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I am primarily worried about how we get the log without visible edit. Normal removal of alert later is one thing, per user talkpage policy. Not showing up in edit log?...!? Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 15:20, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

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hoax bomb

Do you really believe that a tiny 2 1/4" x 8 1/4" pencil box [28] can be considered a hoax bomb because it had an LED panel and the inner workings of a commercial alarm clock? - Cwobeel (talk) 16:56, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

There are multiple levels of possible consideration

• Is it reasonable for someone to think this was an actual bomb (no, and nobody did)
• Is it reasonable for someone to think this was a 14 year old's idea of a bomb (maybe.)
• (WP:OR) A 3rd option I would put into play personally, but that isn't covered by RS, is that he did it not as an intentional "cause fear" hoax bomb, but a maybe somewhere in the arena of a risque joke that he lost control of

Lots of people talk about Ahmed and how smart he is and his prior "inventions". My issue is pretty narrow - if hes so smart, and has prior inventions (many of which are described to be significantly more complex than this one) why did he think this was impressive enough to take to school and show multiple teachers? If he had soldered this together on a breadboard, or from various previously unrelated components, I'd buy it much more. Hell, if he had broken it more and then fixed it himself I'd buy it more. Even if it was 100% a pre built "kit" that he had to put together I'd buy it. But my feeling is hes smart enough to know this wasn't actually impressive to just remove guts from box A, and put it into box B. So then we are left with why did he bring it. His comments where he specifically took actions to avoid looking suspicious particularly put me in this arena - under the "this is complete BS" scenario, why would those thoughts ever cross his mind?

In any case, what I think is irrelevant. Its what the cops thought (or at least claim to have thought) which matters, and excluding anything that even hypothetically minimally backs them up is a WP:NPOV problem, even if the ultimate decision by the world is that they were assholes. We should still show all of the info and say "look, even with their arguments, they are still assholes". Gaijin42 (talk) 17:13, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) In the spirit of speculation, put yourself in his shoes, and think how would you respond as a 14-year old to questions after being accused of bringing a hoax bomb? IMO, this incident would have been relegated to nothing, if Anil Dash did not publish the photo of the kid in handcuffs on Twitter. - Cwobeel (talk) 17:24, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, to expand on my speculation, I think it could have gotten out of hand in both directions. kid made a joke but admins were fed up with prior issues so escalated a bit to scare him straight, he stonewalled/passived out, and then the reaction to their reaction got out of control. The entire issue has blown up way out of proportion on all sides. He got yanked out of class, and detained for an hour or so. Thats not the big deal it was made out to be. Maybe they shouldn't have done that, but that doesn't make everyone involved islamaphobes or racists. In the end I think its somewhat a consequence of the zero tolerance movement which gets taken too far all over the place (wheres the memes/articles for the kid who pointed his finger, or bit his pop tart into the shape of a gun, oh there are none, but they were white so its harder to twist...). On the other hand, we have numerous examples of innocuous things (backpacks, pipes, bottles of soda and aluminum foil, or say pressure cookers) being used to great effect for actual damage, so I'm not sure one can really say "this shouldn't have even been looked at twice" either. Gaijin42 (talk) 17:32, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

BTW, I think your size thing is WP:OR. Vaultz makes boxes of many sizes with that general design, and to my eye, the photo looks bigger than the one you have linked to. In particular using the plug for scale makes me think it might be a bigger size (although I could also be a poor judge of scale, I certainly admit the possibility). Are there any RS which have explicitly given the size or model (other than just their own guess as to it?) Gaijin42 (talk) 17:19, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

I think that is the case. But agree, there is no scale to judge it by. - Cwobeel (talk) 17:24, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

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This is really, really bad editing. Any reason that you shouldn't be reported to the enforcement board? Felsic2 (talk) 05:34, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Felsic2 I have responded at the article talk. This was 6 months ago, but if you really feel you must take it to AE, I suppose you can. Gaijin42 (talk) 14:01, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

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Have a look[31]. Roy Howard Mills (talk) 21:25, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Roy Howard Mills Thats why I archived it. Gaijin42 (talk) 21:28, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh good, thanks! Roy Howard Mills (talk) 21:29, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

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Mayday

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unsigned

I often add {{unsigned}} templates, but the sorta-signed-but-no-username situation is a bit fuzzy. Maybe you could handle it instead? ―Mandruss ☎ 00:49, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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Merger Discussion

Hi. You may want to change your comment

"Mark David Chapman, James_Holmes_(mass_murderer), to name two very parallel events"

to something like,

"Mark David Chapman, James_Holmes_(mass_murderer), to name two articles about people known as shooters in a single event."

There are WP:BLP considerations since Wilson was not a convicted murderer. --Bob K31416 (talk) 19:23, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

@Bob K31416: I'm going to leave it, but I see your point. Thanks for looking out for me :) I meant it as shootings, not murders. Gaijin42 (talk) 19:30, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

World Daily News and Hillary

I could have been caught by that citation; I thought it was just Yoko Ono being sensationalist, it didn't even occur to me that the article was faked. Lesson learned, even when rejecting something as absurd, remember to check layers of absurdity. Thanks, Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 21:34, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

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ip block exemption

I was previously granted the IP Block exempt flag by Swarm on Nov 4, 2015, in order to be able to edit from my VPN.User_talk:Gaijin42/Archive_4#adminhelp

The flag was removed by Mike V unilaterally, without discussion, as part of his mass removal "audit" Feb 8, 2016 [[32]] Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive279#IPBE_-_IP_block_exemption_removals

As there is now consensus that use of the flag should generally be extended (Wikipedia_talk:IP_block_exemption#RfC:_Proposed_expiry_notice_for_users_with_an_active_IPBE, and I would like to be able to resume using VPN when traveling, could the flag be restored please? Gaijin42 (talk) 14:32, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

As no admin replied here, You may try asking this question on Teahouse, Thanks.-Invisible(Talk) 11:42, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Done. NativeForeigner ^Talk 10:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

IPBE RfC v2

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