Talk:Sydney Monorail

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Perhaps dates of construction/commencement of service should be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.214.8.197 (talk • contribs) 04:32, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Disused station?

I took a trip around the Sydney monorail this morning, and shortly after leaving (I think) Paddy's Market, the train passed through what looked like a disused station - there appeared to be turnstiles and a ticket office, but the entire platform area was in darkness. I didn't see any station nameboards or anything similar.

Is this a disused station? If so, what was it called, when did it close, and why?

Alternatively, is it something completely different, e.g. a maintenance depot for the monorail trains?

Either way, I think it should be mentioned in the article :-)

202.92.72.146 07:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

That's Garden Plaza. It was opened in 2000, a long time after the rest of it, as the site it is on was originally disused. The tenants in the building it was in moved out, and so Metro Transport closed the station due to lack of passengers until further notice. I've emailed them and they told me that they hope to reopen it later in 2006 when the new tenants move in. My new map has the station on it, and I've added a reference to the station. (JROBBO 05:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC))

And now? 85.227.226.168 16:38, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

It's been added back - as "Chinatown" station. I've referenced this. JRG 04:18, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

This station is still an oddity as many of the Monorail maps don't show this station at all. Jpp42 11:14, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

A recent edit introduced some uncited speculation, so I've reverted them, and added references. Wongm (talk) 11:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Direction

I understand the trains go in one direction only. Could the map be altered to show which? 85.227.226.168 16:38, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Train goes anti-clockwise around the city. The map does not show this though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.174.139.239 (talk) 10:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Controversy

Why is there no mention of Frank Sartor trying for years to get the monorail closed when he was Lord Mayor of Sydney? 124.190.96.251 (talk) 13:10, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Give us a reliable source of this, and up it goes.--MrFish^{Go Fish} 14:24, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Ross Noble

Ross Noble commmented that "None of you in Sydney really use the Monorail do you. You just built it to get the tourists out of the bloody way."

Yeah yeah I know, whoever the first person who doesn't want to share or who is standing rigidly with the rulebook, delete this comment and fairly. I just thought it was funny and based in a lot of truth. Seriously, should this lack of relevance to Sydney commuters be mentioned?

Probably not, I don't think it's relevant enough. What I am missing is the fact the Sydney Council was dissolved and run by the State government to force that monorail through. Must check, I do not think I dreamed that up. 2001:8003:A02F:F400:C7E:E340:479A:CEB5 (talk) 23:32, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Great source

This article is an awesome source of info on the monorail's early history. Jpatokal (talk) 04:32, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Rename?

It may be the "Metro Monorail" in theory, but everybody calls it the Sydney Monorail. Time to rename? Jpatokal (talk) 04:32, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Do it formally by using the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Secondarywaltz (talk) 04:47, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

I like to gauge interest first, but what the hey. Jpatokal (talk) 12:15, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Rename?

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The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) Calidum Sistere 04:48, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

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Metro Monorail → Sydney Monorail – It may be the "Metro Monorail" in theory, but everybody including RSes like the Sydney Morning Herald[1] calls it the Sydney Monorail, which was this soon-to-be ex-monorail's official name for most of its life anyway. Time to rename? Jpatokal (talk) 12:15, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Survey

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• Light support - not provable from WP:COMMONNAME given number of official uses, and no immediate ambiguity problems, but all the same seems to be more colloquial, especially outside Sydney. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:40, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
• Support – No one outside of Sydney seems likely to call this "Metro Monorail". The impending shutdown compounds that situation. The page also says "formerly Sydney Monorail" and a significant number of the cited sources use that name in their titles, so this seems to also be an official former name (or at least a commonly used name), and once it shuts down all the official names will be former names. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:35, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
• Support – Is universally referred to as Sydney Monorail, even by its own website.Mo7838 (talk) 22:19, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
• Support – as in its website. Secondarywaltz (talk) 22:52, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

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References

Excessive HDR in new images?

Hpeterswald, nice job with the new images, but would you have less radically corrected images available? Some of those, eg. File:Metro Monorail Maintenance.jpg, are way over-HDR'd/corrected. Jpatokal (talk) 04:52, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Sydney Monorail Rebranding

"Metro Monorail" is the common corporate branding used by Veolia Transport together with "Metro Light Rail" prior to its purchase by Transport NSW. The Advertising Metro Media Kit available on the Monorail website shows the new Government rebranded "Sydney Monorail" name and Logo. Hpeterswald (talk) 22:19, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Trains

What happens to the trains (and the track) after closure? Are they being re-used somewhere else? --NearEMPTiness (talk) 20:26, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

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Sir Peter Abeles?

Abeles headed up TNT, which paid for the monorail, not requiring any public money from the State Government ... I recall that Abeles said "the monorail was his gift to Sydney". If this can be proved, perhaps it can be added to the article. Prisoner of Zenda (talk) 06:27, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Swap image in infobox?

Hi all, I have recently uploaded to Wikimedia Commons a 1990 image I took,

Darling Harbour monorail 1990

which I think might look good in the infobox, replacing the present one "The monorail from Liverpool and Pitt Streets"; at present I have just placed my new pic further down in the text. If folk are agreeable I can swap the position of these 2 images, what does anyone think? Tony 1212 (talk) 18:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

I feel like the existing infobox image emphasises the train a bit more, i.e. it's more salient. Your photo is fine too, it's just that the background is more of the focus I think. Fork99 (talk) 22:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

I think the proposed new image shows the monorail system as a transport method around Darling Harbour better though. Yes, the current image shows the train better, but the train is just a part of the equation. Jpatokal (talk) 01:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

My feeling (although I am no doubt biased) is that the existing one looks a bit "pedestrian" - here is the train chugging through the city environment - whereas my proposed substitute has a bit more impact - look at this space-age creation/novelty, whizzing through the air above our heads (which is the feeling that the monorail engendered for me). In other words if I were an art director promoting the monorail as an attraction, that is the one I would pick. But I am happy for others to decide... Regards Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 18:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree and I've swapped in your image. Thanks for sharing it! Jpatokal (talk) 21:36, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Jpatokal. I think the key word in my comment above was "impact", which is why I thought this one suited the infobox best. Glad you agree. Cheers - Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 22:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Place Localisation

User @Burrobert just swapped "Sydney, Australia" for plain old "Sydney" when first mentioned. While I am not going to die on a hill defending the original wording, I do think (in a global coverage encyclopedia) the country should be mentioned at least once before the city, town or State name, as a matter of general practice. MOS seems to be silent on this, except for article titles, where it appears to be optional (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Places), although there might be discussion elsewhere that I have not seen. The user said "is there another?", which while well intentioned for disambiguation (except in this case there is a Sydney, Nova Scotia), slightly deviates from my construct which is more that there is a hierarchy involved and I prefer to see this set out clearly just once as a general rule, for completeness/usefulness when constructing indexes of resources, etc. Thoughts either way, anyone? Tony 1212 (talk) 18:49, 24 August 2024 (UTC)