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Reviewer: Reidgreg (talk · contribs) 00:58, 8 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Nominator: DannyMusicEditor (talk · contribs)

I've begun a source review and hope to have a full review posted by the end of the week (it will take me a few days). It appears GA-worthy on read through. Please hold back any edits to the article while I'm working on the review, thanks. – Reidgreg (talk) 00:58, 8 August 2023 (UTC). Progress report: I'm almost halfway through the references. – Reidgreg (talk) 00:32, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi Reidgreg. Just wondering if you have a time table of when you hope to get a review on this. I see you haven't been particularly active over the last few days until yesterday delivering a copyedit, so if you just haven't had time, that's okay, I was just wondering when I could expect it. dannymusiceditor oops 14:49, 15 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
I finished checking through the sources a couple days ago and was working through the prose when I had to set it aside for a bit. I can't give you a firm timeline for when I'll be done. – Reidgreg (talk) 17:05, 15 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
I appreciate the progress update. Take your time to make a good review, just wondered. dannymusiceditor oops 17:09, 15 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

I've made some minor, non-controversial changes to the article (MOS and reference cleanup). If you disagree with any of it we can discuss as part of the review. My full review follows. It's pretty long but most of the issues are minor and can hopefully be addressed in a simple, straight-forward manner. I've tried to suggest solutions in most cases. If you disagree with anything please say so and we can discuss it.

From this point, I'd like to put any overall discussion about the review at the bottom under 'General discussion'.

Criterion

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GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar):   b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):  
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section):   b (inline citations to reliable sources):   c (OR):   d (copyvio and plagiarism):  
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects):   b (focused):  
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:  
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:  
    Has been stable since April 2023.
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):  
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:  
    Very nice article on a Canadian metal band.

Review comments

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Referencing & verifiability
  • Derdeyn2021 Used eight times:
    • Before co-founding Spiritbox, singer Courtney LaPlante and guitarist Mike Stringer were both in Iwrestledabearonce. 
    • Spiritbox formed in Victoria, located on Vancouver Island, British Columbia. not found in this source, but covered by "Morin20210823". Suggest removing this citation. 
    • Jason Mageau, the former manager of Iwrestledabearonce, founded the Pale Chord label, which was distributed via The Orchard in order to release Spiritbox's music.  
    • They subsequently recruited Philadelphia-based drummer Zev Rose [...] who is considerably younger than the other members. Source does not cover the underlined part. I suggest removing the underlined part which does not seem important. (See also under Prose) 
    • In reference to "Holy Roller" and Sirius XM Liquid Metal and was deemed the best song of 2020 by the station's listeners.  
    • The continued release of "super popular" music videos created anticipation for Spiritbox's forthcoming album.  
    • "Secret Garden" which landed in the Top 40 of the Billboard Mainstream Rock chart. 
    • Spiritbox has credited Alexisonfire and Protest the Hero as early musical influences. The source is an interview with LaPlante who says that they were "influences on us as teens". The context (previous paragraph) suggests to me that "us" is herself and Stringer. Suggest rephrasing. 
  • Coare2021. I wrapped this in {{cite magazine}} rather than {{cite news}}; at the time Kerrang! was an online magazine only and I could not find the e-ISSN. Used six times:
    • Before co-founding Spiritbox, singer Courtney LaPlante and guitarist Mike Stringer were both in Iwrestledabearonce. 
    • In late 2015, they decided to quit the band. 
    • In May, LaPlante appeared on her first major magazine cover, the May issue of Kerrang!. This is the May issue and she is the cover story, but it does not indicate it is her first major magazine cover. Suggest rephrase: "In May, LaPlante appeared on the cover of Kerrang! magazine." or "LaPlante appeared on the cover of the May issue of Kerrang! magazine." 
    • Reflecting on the anticipation for the album's release, it was described as the "most anticipated debut album of 2021" by Alternative Press, Kerrang!, and Metal Hammer. Good for Kerrang!. 
    • LaPlante said she considered Eternal Blue as "finally, at age 32, the realization of my true voice". The source material is Courtney sees Eternal Blue as, finally, at age 32, the realisation of ​“my true voice”. Only the last three words are LaPlante's, the underlined part is from the Kerrang! author. It would probably be awkward to attribute the nested quotes to each of them. Suggest: LaPlante said she considered Eternal Blue as the expression [ → realization] of her "true voice" for the first time in her life. 
    • Sam Coare of Kerrang! highlights her vocal performance saying that "Few frontpeople handle the transition from cleans to screams with the skill, depth and ferocity of Courtney LaPlante". 
  • Rogers20201211 used 5 + 1 times:
    • The couple, engaged for four years, nevertheless wanted to form their joint musical project since 2011. Verified; will raise this again under prose (for clarity). 
    • The couple decided to take a break from touring and return to their hometown to find regular employment. Throughout 2015, multi-instrumentalist Stringer presented to LaPlante demos of songs that he created diligently, displaying different musical styles. LaPlante and Stringer got married in 2016, and two weeks after the wedding, they began investing their money into recording the songs. The source suggests it was close to LaPlante's hometown (specifically that she had a lot of family close by), not certain about Stringer. Do you have another source for this?  hometown → home
    • Soon afterward, the project was paused for some time, finding themselves deadlocked in their efforts to play the songs in live performances without other musicians. 
    • [Bill Crook of Living with Lions joined as bassist] expressing esteem for their music and offering support through friendship. This might need to be qualified as a statement from LaPlante rather than coming directly from Crook. It might be better to remove it. 
    • [LaPlante] however, she also said that "[her] main goal with this band is fluidity" 
    • LaPlante has cited Tesseract, [as influences]. This last one is cited to the same source but doesn't use the named reference "Rogers20201211". The only difference is the access/archive date, but the named reference supports it so you should be able to change this to the named reference. 
  • Loudwire2019
    • LaPlante and Stringer had each replaced a previous member of Iwrestledabearonce, and were never comfortable with that status in the band; the two also desired to pursue a new personal and creative direction. 
  • GSmith2018 used three times:
    • Stringer wrote the drum parts for a planned extended play, which were rearranged by their session drummer at the time, former Iwrestledabearonce bandmate Mikey Montgomery. The EP was recorded by LaPlante and Stringer in their home studio, along with their friend Tim Creviston. It was mixed and mastered by former Volumes member Dan Braunstein in Los Angeles. 
    • She has also expressed admiration for Gojira, 
    • Former session members: Mikey Montgomery – drums (2017) 
  • Lambgoat and TandA Media used together for:
    • On October 9, 2017, the husband and wife duo announced the launch of their band named Spiritbox. Lambgoat and TandA Media reported it on that date, but it doesn't say that LaPlante/Stringer announced on that date.
  • Morin20210823 Used 7 times:
    • Spiritbox formed in Victoria, located on Vancouver Island, British Columbia. 
    • "Holy Roller" and was deemed the best song of 2020 by the station's listeners. 
    • The deadline of April 2021 was set to have the album release capacity in the same year. 
    • Critics have described their style as djent 
    • LaPlante herself has defined the musical genre of Spiritbox as metalcore; 
    • LaPlante expressed admiration for and FKA Twigs. 
    • She said that it is necessary to push the boundaries of the metalcore genre by bringing modernity and diversity of vocal styles to stay relevant. Verified; will address this under Prose. 
  • Hughes2017 used once:
    • LaPlante explained that Iwrestledabearonce had made no statement regarding their situation  
  • unnamed reference Redrup-Dead Press! 25 October 2017. Used once:
    • and thus, she officially confirmed her departure from the band on October 25, 2017. 
  • unnamed reference Stringer-MetalSucks podcast. Used once:
    • Spiritbox ultimately received a budget from FACTOR (the Foundation to Assist Canadian Talent on Records), funded by the Government of Canada and private broadcasters, to support investments required for recording and touring. 
      • The FACTOR grant is (partially) government-funded, so there's going to be a record of it somewhere. Found this: (citation) The Foundation Assisting Canadian Talent on Recordings. FACTOR Recipients List (PDF) (Report). p. 48.. It indicates LaPlante/Spiritbox received $38,496 in FY2019. Suggest adding that to backup the podcast/interview. 
  • unnamed reference Redrup-Dead Press 11 October 2017. Used once:
    • As Spiritbox, the couple released a seven-song self-titled debut EP on October 27, 2017, which followed a single, "The Beauty of Suffering". Good for the single, but like a lot of similar sources this predates the release of the EP and covers the announcement of its release, not its actual release (which might have been delayed or advanced). Suggest finding another source which confirms it was officially released on that date.  Sorry, the headline of the source indicates it came out that day. Good.
  • BB2021-04-30 used 5 times:
    • In 2018, Bill Crook of the pop-punk band Living with Lions joined the band as the permanent bassist, Good for everything except the underlined part, which might not be necessary.
    • "Holy Roller" It debuted at No. 25 on Billboard Hot Hard Rock Songs. 
    • The song's original version spent seven weeks as No. 1 on Sirius XM Liquid Metal's Devil's Dozen, 
    • In September 2020, Spiritbox announced that they had signed with Rise Records, as part of the label's partnership with Pale Chord. The source says "fall of 2020". Deadpress covers the announcement in a 4 Sep 2020 article, but doesn't say when they announced or signed, only that they did. In Dec 2020 Rocksound says "their recent signing to Rise" and Loudwire says "The band signed a deal with Rise Records earlier this year". Since Deadpress is right at the beginning of September, it's conceivable this might have happened in August. MOS:SEASON discourages fall or autumn. So with current sources, rather than guessing maybe we should just have the year: Spiritbox signed with Rise Records in 2020, as part of the label's partnership with Pale Chord.
    • The "Holy Roller" remix version spent five weeks as No. 2 on Sirius XM Liquid Metal's Devil's Dozen. 
  • Hardforce. Not sure how reliable this is. The contact us page has a form for people to "submit news" about their bands. It might not be a bad idea to back this up with another source (where this isn't already the case). Used 4 times:
    • Shortly after, they found a permanent drummer in Ryan Loerke, who also played in the Kelowna-based Shreddy Krueger. Good except for the underlined part ... which is covered by the existing citation to Galor, below. 
    • Loerke left the band in 2020. 
    • Current members Courtney LaPlante – vocals (2016–present) Mike Stringer – guitar (2016–present) Josh Gilbert – bass, backing vocals (2023–present, touring 2022–2023) 
    • Former members: Ryan Loerke – drums (2018–2020) Bill Crook – bass (2018–2022) 
  • unnamed reference Galor–Global News. Used once:
    • Shortly after, they found a permanent drummer in Ryan Loerke, who also played in the Kelowna-based Shreddy Krueger. 
  • Borba2021 used twice:
    • Mageau (part of Roc Nation) and the band decided to promote and establish online music rather than spending money on small club tours. As a result, they opted not to tour for two years. One little thing. This tells us Mageau was with the Roc Nation entertainment agency in 2021 when he gave the interview, but he may not have held that position in 2018, which is the period being described there. If it's not terribly important, it may be safest to remove that rather than potentially having it wrong. If you do want to keep it (with qualifiers), it might be better to move it up a sentence to where he is first introduced. 
    • According to Pollstar, Spiritbox's official merchandise store grossed $1 million from its opening in May 2020 to October 2021, with between $30,000 to $60,000 coming in per month. 
  • unnamed reference Redrup-Dead Press September 2021 and unnamed reference Lambgoat 2 December 2019 used together for:
    • While Spiritbox gained a growing fan base, they released a five-song EP titled Singles Collection on April 26, 2019, through Pale Chord. Good. The one gives all the details with the announcement and the other covers it after-the-fact to confirm that it was released. 
  • UpsetMag2021. Updated the URL to https://upsetmagazine.com/features/heres-everything-you-need-to-know-about-spiritboxs-debut-album-eternal-blue/ Used twice:
    • Throughout 2018 and 2019, the band composed most of the songs for their intended debut album. 
    • The band's debut full-length album Eternal Blue was originally scheduled for release in 2020, but production was interrupted due to the COVID-19 pandemic, The source seems to indicate that they held back the release but continued production "We recorded ... at an Air BNB completely isolated in February 2020". Is there another source which could clarify this? I'll set this aside as optional, good for GA. 
  • EBlueBooklet – Assume good faith for CD liner notes, used twice for a member's full legal name.
  • unnamed reference Shand-Bloody Disgusting and unnamed reference Pasbani–Metal Injection Used together for:
    • [was interrupted] as was the band's first tour, a supporting slot for After the Burial in Europe. Good. The first source reports on the planned first tour and the second reports that it was cancelled. 
  • unnamed reference Chichester–Revolver. Used once:
    • Spiritbox found critical and commercial success with the release of the single "Holy Roller" on July 3, 2020.  N I've got a couple problems with this. First, the piece is dated 3 July 2020, so there just isn't enough perspective to say that's the date where they became successful (especially if the piece was written ahead of time to meet press deadlines). Second, the source says Spiritbox have teamed up with Revolver today (July 3rd) to premiere the insanely catchy and totally crushing new single "Holy Roller." so they clearly have a conflict of interest (which they're honest enough to state up-front). It's still good for the date of the release, but not the opinion that this is the date/release when they achieved critical and commercial success. Suggest rephrasing and moving the citation up: "On July 3, 2020, Spiritbox released the single "Holy Roller"[23] which achieved critical and commercial success." and the existing references for what follows that can cover the last part of the sentence. 
  • Bezer2020 used twice:
    • It debuted at No. 25 on Billboard Hot Hard Rock Songs. 
    • The "Holy Roller" remix version spent five weeks as No. 2 on Sirius XM Liquid Metal's Devil's Dozen. 
    • Missed this the first time through: it looks like the author is Charley Johns not Charley Bezer, if you could fix the citation template. 
  • unnamed reference Redrup–Dead Press September 2020. used for:
    • In September 2020, Spiritbox announced that they had signed with Rise Records, as part of the label's partnership with Pale Chord. 
  • unnamed reference (named "constance-video" during review) DiVita–Loudwire. Used once:
    • In December 2020, Spiritbox debuted "Constance", a song about dementia that was dedicated to LaPlante's grandmother. 
  • unnamed reference Kerrang! 20 December 2020. Used once:
    • In the same month, a Kerrang! magazine reader's poll voted Spiritbox as "Best New Band". The source states "New Band Of The Year". Suggest either changing to that, or removing the quotation marks and putting it in lowercase as a generic: best new band. 
  • unnamed reference Revolver January 2021. Used once:
    • In January 2021, Revolver included Spiritbox's upcoming release in its list of "60 Most Anticipated Albums of 2021." 
  • unnamed reference DiVita-Loudwire April 2021. Used once:
    • The third single from the album, "Circle with Me", was released in April. 
  • unnamed reference Brown–Wall of Sound. Used once:
    • later that month, [May] the band released the single "Secret Garden", 
  • unnamed reference Rogers–Rock Sound. Used once:
    • In June 2021, as part of their Collection: Live series, the Grammy Museum asked Spiritbox to perform and record a live acoustic version of "Constance" in a church accompanied by a string ensemble. Checks except for the month. Stringer says they received the request while they were "tracking the album". Not sure what that means or where it would fit in the process. Also, it seems a bit incomplete to not follow-through and mention that this version was recorded and released. 
  • unnamed reference Rolli–Loudwire. Archive date mismatch with url; fixed. Used once:
    • The band attempted to tour again in July 2021, supporting Limp Bizkit in the US; this was also canceled after a few dates due to safety concerns involving the pandemic. Okay except for the underlined parts; the source doesn't mention the month the tour began or how many shows were played before it was cancelled. Needs another source ... ah, the following source has "The four-week tour only made it three shows in before getting scrapped", so that's part of it. I suppose counting back four weeks from the last cancelled show (24 Aug) would put the first show in late July. So that would do if you could use that here. 
  • unnamed reference Hartmann–Loudwire and unnamed reference Metalsucks both used for:
    • This aborted tour with Limp Bizkit led the band to many unexpected expenses; Shinedown singer Brent Smith offered Spiritbox $10,000 to help cover lost tour expenses, while We Came as Romans decided not to charge for the lighting package the band had rented from them. The underlined passage is directly from the source and while the proper name is okay the rest should be rephrased. Suggest: "We Came as Romans waived rental charges for a lighting package." 
    • Smith said of his contribution, "I felt horrible what happened and I would hate for this band to not be able to continue due to this [lost investment] and I just want to contribute." The quote is Stringer relating what Smith said. So you'd have to preface it with something like "According to Stringer, Smith said something like". I suggest removing this passage, as the quote isn't terribly encyclopedic. Or you could paraphrase it down to something like: "According to Stringer, Smith was empathetic and didn't want the band to collapse due to financial hardship." 
      • Okay, you went with the first option (in your own words) and also added Smith decided to donate despite having never met the band before which is covered by this source. 
  • KerrangHurtYou used for:
    • One final single, "Hurt You", was released in advance of the album in late August. 
  • unnamed reference Blabbermouth 20 August 2021. Used once:
    • At the end of August 2021, the band's songs surpassed 80 million streams across all global streaming platforms, and all physical release and merchandising items were sold out. The source says "most merch items" sold out. Suggest rephrasing or removing that part. 
  • unnamed reference Linzinmeir–Alternative Press and unnamed reference Leivers–Metal Hammer together used once:
    • Reflecting on the anticipation for the album's release, it was described as the "most anticipated debut album of 2021" by Alternative Press, Kerrang!, and Metal Hammer Kerrang is covered by Coare2021, above. AP says it is "one of the most anticipated rock albums of the year" and Metal Hammer "the most eagerly anticipated debut in years", so not the same thing as whats been summarized. (They're not all saying the quoted material verbatim.) To boil it down to a single statement between the three would be (for the underlined passage, unquoted) a highly anticipated album. To regain the impact, perhaps: Reflecting on the album's release, it was described as "the most anticipated debut" of the year by Alternative Press and Kerrang! while Metal Hammer placed it among the year's most anticipated albums of the rock genre. 
  • WOS-Brown2021 used once:
    • Nearing the release of Eternal Blue in mid-September 2021, LaPlante revealed that drummer Rose was an official member of Spiritbox. Since joining in early 2020, Rose had not been photographed with the band, leading to speculation that he was not an official member, though LaPlante explained that this was because of travel restrictions during the COVID-19 pandemic that prevented Rose from physically joining the band in Victoria. The band finally met Rose in-person two days before embarking on tour. The way that's written might sound like they met him just before touring for Eternal Blue in or around September 2021. But I'm pretty sure the source (interview) is talking about the aborted tours of early 2020. Suggest removing the underlined part.  I'll raise this again under Prose.
  • Beebee2021 used twice:
    • Eternal Blue was released on September 17, 2021, to positive reviews from critics. 
    • [critics have described their musical style as] post-metal 
  • newnoise2021 used twice:
    • Eternal Blue was released on September 17, 2021, to positive reviews from critics. 
    • [critics have described their musical style as] metalcore 
  • unnamed reference Brown–Wall of Sound used once:
    • Eternal Blue was released on September 17, 2021, to positive reviews from critics. 
  • unnamed reference Trapp–Loudwire. Archive date mismatch with url; fixed. Used once:
    • The album [Eternal Blue] peaked at No. 13 on the US Billboard 200, and landed at No. 3 on the Top Album Sales chart in the week ending October 2, 2021. It topped on both Billboard's Top Rock Albums and Hard Rock Albums charts. The album peaked at No. 8 on the ARIA Charts and No. 19 on the UK Albums Chart. Not sure how they know the sales for the week ending 2 Oct if the piece was published 28 Sep. 
      • Loudwire frequently update their posts. For instance, originally, for coverage of Underoath's Voyeurist tour, they used the same post for when Every Time I Die was still together and then just edited it after they broke up and then again when they got replacements. dannymusiceditor oops 21:12, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • unnamed reference Childers–Loudwire. Archive date mismatch with url; fixed. Used once:
    • Initially, Every Time I Die was to join Underoath and Spiritbox on this tour; however, the band broke up in January 2022. 
  • unnmaed reference Slingerland-Exclaim!. Used once:
    • In May 2022, Ghost announced that Spiritbox would be guests alongside Mastodon as opening acts for the second North American leg of their Imperatour through August and September 2022. Small prose issue to discuss later 
  • unnamed reference Roche–Guitar World. Used once:
    • However, Spiritbox announced the departure of bassist Bill Crook less than a week later, a mutual decision within the band. Spiritbox quickly recruited Josh Gilbert, who had recently left As I Lay Dying, as their temporary touring bassist. 
  • unnamed reference Enis–Revolver. Used once:
    • He would eventually be welcomed as a full-time member in April 2023. 
  • unnamed reference Enis–Revolver and gwrotoscope together used for:
    • On June 22, 2022, the band released the three-song Rotoscope EP and a video for the title track "Rotoscope". 
  • gwrotoscope also used for:
    • Guitar World noted that the title track was a dance-like number, while the other two tracks "Sew Me Up" and "Hysteria" were "synth-flavored arrangements". 
  • Unnamed reference Hardman–Alternative Press. Used once:
    • In November 2022, Spiritbox announced their first ever headlining tour of the United States; they were joined by After the Burial and Intervals from April to May 2023. 
  • unnamed reference Kaufman–Consequence. Used once:
    • On March 7, 2023, Falling In Reverse announced the Popular Monstour, a tour of the United States on which Spiritbox would perform as a guest at six shows. 
  • unnamed reference Enis–Revolver and unnamed reference Keenan–Metal Sucks used together for:
    • However, in the following days, Falling In Reverse frontman Ronnie Radke attracted controversy after a fan who alleged him of assault drew an aggressive response from Radke on Twitter. On March 13, Spiritbox announced from their own Twitter account that they had dropped off the dates they were scheduled for the tour. 
  • unnamed reference Kennelty–Metal Injection and unnamed reference Blabbermouth used together for:
    • On April 19, 2023, the band released the single, "The Void". Small problem here as with some of the others. Both sources are dated 19 April and say the single was released, but they don't say that it was released on 19 April. 
  • unnamed reference DiVita–Loudwire used for:
    • On May 2, 2023, the band was announced as support for the fall leg of Shinedown's Revolutions Live tour along with Papa Roach. This avoids the above problem somewhat but I think maybe it would be better as "was announced by Loudwire" or "was reported by Loudwire". 
    • Optional: if you want to be fancy, you can add {{Update after|2023|9|9}} to this, which will activate on that date as a little reminder.
  • Morin 2021 used twice:
    • Spiritbox employs several heavy metal-based musical styles. Writing for Metal Injection, Max Morin wrote that attempting to pigeonhole the band to any particular music style is "pointless". 
    • LaPlante's singing has received acclaim from music critics. Morin called her "one of the best vocalists in the modern metal scene". 
  • There are nine sources used for the genres (ref #63–71 in the reviewed version).
    • metalcore,[44][63][64][65] progressive metal,[63][66][67] alternative metal,[68][69][70] post-metal,[63][43] djent,[66][8] and nu metal.[71] 
  • There are five sources for They have also been labelled as "post-metalcore". 
  • "Olivier2021" Billboard used 5 times:
    • Bobby Olivier of Billboard wrote the band displayed aspects ranging from atmospheric to industrial. 
    • Spiritbox combined electronic styles after deriving inspiration from the 1980s pop music scene, Nine Inch Nails, and early post-punk bands such as the Cure. 
    • The band has acknowledged that the impact of 1980s dark rock and pop bands, embodied by uncluttered musical compositions through synthesizer minimalism in "airy" song structures, inspired Spiritbox's style and served as the backbone for their work. Not seeing the underlined part in the source. 
      The phrasing has been changed → and served as the base for their songwriting. which I feel is better but I'm still not seeing this in the source. On their musical style, the source has "The aesthetic ranges widely, from atmospheric to industrial, hooky to progressive", Stringer: "We just really appreciate and love pop music. We really appreciate the '80s", Laplante: "and Nine Inch Nails", Laplante: "The '80s dark rock and pop bands really influenced a lot of our writing." I didn't see anything further, and I feel that going from 'influence' to 'the base of their [creative process]' is a bit of a jump (ie: original research). One thing that comes up a bit is how eclectic and genre-defying they are, so when there is a generalization I'd like it to be well sourced.  Removed.
  • loudhailerinterview
    • According to LaPlante, the band's music was constructed out of a progressive metal foundation before being condensed for the final version of the songs. 
    • [LaPlante cited influences] Tool, The interview says that she "loves bands like that", not that it was an influence.  removed.
  • RevolverAltMetal. I corrected a typo in the author's first name.
    • Revolver's Eli Enis described the band's musical style as an arrangement of "alt-metal with elegant vocals and thunderous djent grooves". 
  • GW-Roche2020 used twice:
    • The band integrates electronic elements such as samples and programmed drums within their sound as distinctive characteristics, as part of a musical genre evolving through the artistic use of new technologies. Guitar World wrote that Spiritbox "successfully mastered the art of digitally infused metal" while "maintaining a sonic stamp that's completely their own". My issue here is that "samples, programmed drums and synth lines" are given by the source as examples of electronic elements, but it doesn't specifically say that Spiritbox uses these elements. I'm pretty sure that one of the article's other sources could cover this, if you could check and add one.  removed.
    • Stringer's guitar playing style includes a "Gojira-esque pick scrape technique". 
  • unnmaed reference Katsiaficas–Outburn and unnamed reference Garland-Sputnikmusic used together for:
    • The digital synthesizer appeared as a particular sonic aspect of the band. Regarding synths, the second source is talking about it in their album and the first source talks about it on three songs from that album. Is there another source which talks about synths in their music/sound overall? Otherwise you might be limited to saying something like "The digital synthsizer appears as a particular sonic aspect of much of the band's music." 
  • A few sources for influences "LaPlante has cited Tesseract,[78] Deftones,[79] Kate Bush,[79] [...] and Amy Lee as influences;[80] and mentioned that Meshuggah was her "standard bearer" in heavy metal.[81] She has also expressed admiration for [...] Björk,[81] Beyoncé,[81]"   [79] is used twice in a row, you could remove the first of these.
  • unnamed reference Divita–Loudwire.
    • LaPlante's first experience with the death growl came from listening to Cannibal Corpse at the age of five, which developed into a marked interest in harsh vocals during her early adolescence while listening to nu metal. At the age of eighteen, LaPlante laid down her screamed vocals for the first time on a breakdown of a song written by her brother. 
  • 8 sources for peak chart positions: "AUS[83] BEL(FL)[84] CAN[85] FIN[86] GB-SCT[87] GER[88] UK[89] US[90]" Some of these are the weeklies which show how they're charting that week and the peak at that time. I'm not sure you can really call it the overall peak until it starts to go down in the chart, so I would tend to prefer a secondary source reporting on the chart rather than the chart itself. I looked at a couple featured articles and they prefer higher-quality sources but will use these weeklies when they're all that's available. So I'll pass it for GA. 
  • In Discography > EPs, everything is sourced earlier in the body except for the Spiritbox EP released under the "Consumer" label. Need a reference for that.  changed → Pale Chord, which is consistent with material in the body.
  • 10 sources for singles peak chart positions (ref #91–100). Some of these require a subscription. Suggest adding |url-access=subscription= as appropriate. The archives are working though, and was able to verify.
    • Need source(s) for the chart positions of "Rotoscope" and "The Void"  A couple new webpages from Billboard check for Rotoscope (7 Hard Rock Digital) and The Void (16 Hard Rock Digital) 
    • The early singles are not listed earlier in the body. Need sources for: Perennial, Electric Cross, Trust Fall, Belcarra, Bleach Bath, Rule of Nines, and Blessed Be. Just something to say a single of that name was released in that year. – update: I'm satisfied that the sources for the music videos cover the non-charting singles except for "Trust Fall" which isn't otherwise mentioned in the article. Just need a source for that.
      I usually use sourcing to separate the notable from the trivial, along the lines of WP:NOTDIRECTORY and following what sources indicate is important enough to include. However, there are rules for list inclusion which allow for short finite lists to be complete WP:CSC. 
  • unnamed reference Apple Music
    • Sufficient for single as featured artist, Shivering. 
  • unnamed reference Billboard
    • Good for US Dance/Elec chart, verified. The archive-date wasn't showing the correct version of the archived page (it predated the release of "Shivering"), I've fixed this. 
  • Need a source for "Shivering" peaking at No. 16 on the US Hard Rock Digital chart. 
  • Need a source for the chart positions of "Hysteria" and "Sew Me Up".
  • Music videos – The only video sourced in the body is that for "Rotoscope". All the others need to be sourced along with the directors for all of them. 
    A series of sources added for videos:
    • unnamed reference PRP "Spiritbox Premiere "Perennial" music video". Good for video, director and single. 
    • unnamed reference YouTube video. This is the official music video for "Electric Cross" and confirms its existence. 
    • unnamed reference YouTube official music video for Belcarra, 2019. Confirms existence of video. 
    • unnamed reference YouTube. official music video for "Bleach Bath", 2019. Confirms existence of video, last single from Singles Collection, director. 
    • unnamed reference YouTube. Official music video for "Rule of Nines", 2019. Good for existence of video. 
    • "sask20" (below) for "Blessed Be" video. Confirms video, director, 2020. 
    • "ChichesterHR" (see above) Confirms video, 2020, single 
    • "Bezer2020" Good for "Constance" video, 2020, director; and for remix of "Holy Roller", 2020, music video, but not director Deadeyesart.  new source added, YouTube, official music video, animator/director.
    • "constance-video" "Constance" video, 2020, director, single. 
    • "BB2021-04-30" (see above) "Circle with Me" . 2021, single, music video by Orie McGinness. 
  • unnamed reference YouTube. official music video "Secret Garden" 2021, director Jensen Noen. Eternal Blue album. 
  • "KerrangHurtYou" (see above). "Hurt You" single, music video, Eternal Blue album, 2021, director. 
  • "CoS-roto" Consequence of Sound "Spiritbox surprise release new three-song collection, including video for "Rotoscope" ". 2022, music video, director Max Moore. 
  • "exclaim-jaded" "Spiritbox face 'The Fear of Fear' on New EP". Jaded video, 2023, director Caleb Mallery. 
  • New source added: unnamed reference Metal Injection 13 May 2022, Spiritbox Teams Up with Illenium for new song "Shivering". Used for:
    • In May 2022, dubstep artist Illenium released the single "Shivering", which showcased Spiritbox in their feature debut. 
Breadth & focus

Going through the sources used for the article, coverage seems good for GA. Took a little look around and found a couple things of possible interest:

Prose

Lead:

  • Husband and wife duo guitarist Mike Stringer and vocalist Courtney LaPlante publicly established Spiritbox on October 9, 2017. The band's full lineup comprises LaPlante, Stringer, drummer Zev Rose, and bassist Josh Gilbert. I'm not sure about the tone set with 'husband and wife duo', especially placing it at the beginning of the second sentence. It gives a lot of prominence to the fact and establishes it as a defining characteristic of the group – moreso, say, than their array of styles and mix of electronic and metal. Also, I'm not sure that we need the full date there. What would you think of rephrasing it as "Spiritbox is a Canadian heavy metal band from Victoria, British Columbia, formed by guitarist Mike Stringer and vocalist Courtney LaPlante in 2017. The band's full lineup comprises LaPlante and Stringer, who are a married couple, drummer Zev Rose, and bassist Josh Gilbert." 
  • The band's metal style is difficult to pigeonhole into a specific subgenre and displays an array of styles that draw from a variety of influences and incorporate electronic elements, though much of it is rooted in metalcore and progressive metal. The underlined part seems a bit awkward and the sentence changes direction a couple times. The lead should be easy to read with a simple sentence structure. It could use more cohesion. What would you think of: "The band's style incorporates electronic elements and draws from a variety of influences, crossing multiple metal subgenres with its roots in metalcore and progressive metal." 
  • Dissatisfaction with their roles caused LaPlante and Stringer to leave their former band, Iwrestledabearonce, and they started Spiritbox, seeking artistic freedom. How about "Dissatisfaction with their roles caused LaPlante and Stringer to leave their former band, Iwrestledabearonce, and they founded Spiritbox to express themselves artistically." or better: "LaPlante and Stringer had been members of Iwrestledabearonce, but were dissatisfied with their roles and founded Spiritbox to express themselves artistically." 
  • Rather than touring, Spiritbox initially developed an approach to fanbase building focused on the Internet and introduced their music through acclaimed music videos. The band began touring in 2020, and continued to gain popularity with several singles that reached the Billboard charts before releasing their debut album Eternal Blue (2021), which entered the US Billboard 200 at number 13. How about: "Spiritbox released a series of popular music videos on the Internet, developing a fanbase before they began touring in 2020. They continued to gain popularity with several charting singles and their debut album Eternal Blue (2021) entered the US Billboard 200 at number 13."
    • Changed → Rather than touring, Spiritbox initially built their fanbase by focusing on promotion through the Internet and introduced their music through a series of popular music videos, before debuting as a touring band in 2020. That's better, but it's still more complex than necessary. The 'rather than' is saying what the band didn't do. For the lead, it'd be better to stick to what they did do. The two clauses about touring are also repetitive; there should be one or the other, not both. 

History:

  • The couple, engaged for four years, nevertheless wanted to form their joint musical project since 2011. In late 2015, they decided to quit the band. I've been wondering how to make the timeline a little clearer, with the engagement being (roughly) 2011–2015 rather than 2007–2011. Keeping in mind that the source isn't especially specific, how about: "The couple were engaged during this time and since 2011 had wanted to form their own joint musical project. In late 2015, they decided to quit the band." 
  • Throughout 2015, multi-instrumentalist Stringer presented to LaPlante demos of songs that he created diligently, displaying different musical styles. The word diligently stands out to me for tone but I feel it could be improved a bit more. How about: "Throughout 2015, Stringer created demos of songs in different styles to help them decide on a direction for their band." 
  • LaPlante and Stringer got married in 2016, and two weeks after the wedding, they began investing their money into recording the songs. LaPlante and Stringer married in 2016, and two weeks later began recording songs. 
  • On October 9, 2017, the husband and wife duo announced the launch of their band named Spiritbox.[6] Spiritbox formed in Victoria, located on [[Vancouver Island, British Columbia]].[1] Suggest: On October 9, 2017, LaPlante and Stringer announced the launch of their band, Spiritbox,[6] formed in Victoria, British Columbia.[1] 
  • she officially confirmed her departure from the band on October 25, 2017. There's a chance that someone might read this as her departing the band on this date rather than confirming on this date (that she had previously left the band). Suggest: on October 25, she confirmed her departure from that band. 
  • Spiritbox ultimately received a budget from FACTOR ... to support investments required for recording and touring. Suggest: "Spiritbox received funding from FACTOR" and omit the second underlined passage. If you work in more information from the FACTOR source I suggested above, this might fit better further down in the history/timeline.
    • Changed → Spiritbox ultimately received over $38,000 in funding from FACTOR (the Foundation to Assist Canadian Talent on Records), funded by the Government of Canada and private broadcasters, to support the band's recording and touring. 
  • finding themselves deadlocked in their efforts to play the songs in live performances without other musicians. Perhaps: "without additional musicians." 
  • Shortly after, they found a permanent drummer in Ryan Loerke, This doesn't quite feel like the right tone to me. How about: "they secured permanent drummer Ryan Loerke," 
  • Jason Mageau, the former manager of Iwrestledabearonce, founded the Pale Chord label, which was distributed via The Orchard in order to release Spiritbox's music. I'd like to simplify the sentence structure. Suggest: "founded the Pale Chord label to release Spiritbox's music through a distribution deal with The Orchard." 
  • Mageau ... and the band decided to promote and establish online music rather than spending money on small club tours. As a result, they opted not to tour for two years. Suggest simplifying: "decided promote Spiritbox's music online for two years rather than undertaking expensive touring." 
  • While Spiritbox gained a growing fan base, they released a five-song EP titled Singles Collection on April 26, 2019, through Pale Chord. A bit of redundancy and I feel the label (mentioned earlier in the paragraph) can be assumed. Suggest: "While Spiritbox grew its fan base, the band released the five-song EP Singles Collection on April 26, 2019." 

2020–present

  • Loerke left the band in 2020.[14] They subsequently recruited Philadelphia-based drummer Zev Rose (full family name Rosenberg[20]), who is considerably younger than the other members.[1] Is the underlined part important? I feel like it should either explain why this is important (eg: did he bring youthful energy or a younger generation's perspective or a younger fanbase to the group?) or otherwise it should be removed. Suggest: "Loerke left the band in 2020[14] and was replaced by Philadelphia-based drummer Zev Rose (full family name Rosenberg[20]).[1]" 
  • The band's debut full-length album Eternal Blue was originally scheduled for release in 2020, but production was interrupted due to the COVID-19 pandemic,[19] as was the band's first tour, a supporting slot for After the Burial in Europe.[21] Should check on the source(s) first, but there are a lot of clauses there. Suggest either simplifying or breaking it into two sentences. Something like: "The COVID-19 pandemic interrupted both the production of the band's first full-length album Eternal Blue[19] and the band's first tour, a supporting slot for After the Burial in Europe." 
  • Spiritbox found critical and commercial success with the release of the single "Holy Roller" on July 3, 2020.[23] It debuted at No. 25 on Billboard Hot Hard Rock Songs. Combine these into one sentence for flow. Also, I like the first instance of No. to be wrapped in {{abbr|No.|number}} (MOS:NUMERO). Suggest: "Spiritbox found critical and commercial success with the July 3 release of the single "Holy Roller",[23] which debuted at No. 25 on Billboard Hot Hard Rock Songs." 
  • In the next sentence, update the link: List of Sirius XM Radio channels#Rock (piped as Liquid Metal) → Liquid Metal (Sirius XM) 
  • The band subsequently released a remix of "Holy Roller" in October, which featured Ryo Kinoshita of Crystal Lake.[26] The "Holy Roller" remix version spent five weeks as No. 2 on Sirius XM Liquid Metal's Devil's Dozen. Don't need both subsequently and October. Suggest: "In October, the band released a remix of "Holy Roller" which featured Ryo Kinoshita of Crystal Lake.[26] This remix held No. 2 on Liquid Metal's Devil's Dozen for five weeks." 
  • The continued release of "super popular" music videos created anticipation for Spiritbox's forthcoming album. If you really want "super popular", the quote should have in-text attribution. I would suggest omitting "super" and removing the quotation marks.
    • These are the words of the source I attributed? I don't understand. dannymusiceditor oops 02:48, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
      • My initial thought was that, as an opinion, the quote should be attributed in the text (MOS:QUOTEPOV): The continued release of music videos, deemed "super popular" by Stuart Derdeyn of the Vancouver Sun, created anticipation for Spiritbox's forthcoming album. However, this is rather wordy and the short quote might appear to be ironic. It's generally verifiable that the videos are popular and "super" doesn't add much so I feel it might be best to remove super and the quotation marks.
  • At this point, the band moved to Joshua Tree, California, to continue working on their debut album. I wouldn't mind a little more explanation there. What would you think of: "Due to quarantine rules, the band gathered in isolation at Joshua Tree, California, to continue working on the album." Morin20210823 could possibly be used as an additional source. 
  • The deadline of April 2021 was set to have the album release capacity in the same year. For cohesion/flow, how about: They set a deadline of April 2021 to ensure that the album would release that year." 
  • which landed in the Top 40 of the Billboard Mainstream Rock chart. Doesn't seem like the right tone to me. If "Top 40" isn't part of the chart name, it should probably be lowercase generic. How about: "which ranked within the top 40 of"
  • The album peaked at No. 13 on the US Billboard 200, and landed at No. 3 on the Top Album Sales chart in the week ending October 2, 2021. It topped on both Billboard's Top Rock Albums and Hard Rock Albums charts. I feel it can do without the second underlined part, at which point we could maybe put all the Billboard ranks in one sentence: "The album peaked at No. 13 on the US Billboard 200, No. 3 on the Top Album Sales chart, and topped Billboard's Top Rock Albums and Hard Rock Albums charts." 
  • with between $30,000 to $60,000 coming in per month. With numeric ranges we use (1) an en dash, (2) from-to or (3) between-and, not between-to. So take your pick of: with $30,000–60,000; with between $30,000 and $60,000; or with from $30,000 to $60,000. Actually, I just noticed that's straight from the source so maybe paraphrase with from-to and change "coming in per month" to "of monthly sales". 
  • S.S. Neverender cruise My first instinct was that this should be "SS Neverender" per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships). But it seems that is the name of the event which has taken place on ships with different names (e.g. the Norwegian Jewel in this source, the 2023 one is to be on the Norwegian Pearl). Noting this in case someone else disagrees about it. 
  • He would eventually be welcomed as a full-time member in April 2023. → He became a full-time member in April 2023.
    Removed eventually, which is the minimum fix for GA. 
  • In November 2022, Spiritbox announced their first ever headlining tour of the United States Omit ever as redundant. 
  • Writing for Metal Injection, Max Morin wrote that attempting to pigeonhole the band to any particular music style is "pointless". How about: Max Morin wrote for Metal Injection that it was "pointless" to label the band.
    • Changed → Writing for Metal Injection, Max Morin wrote that attempting to assign the band a single genre label is "pointless". Better, but still has the writing/wrote repetition. 
  • Bobby Olivier of Billboard wrote the band displayed aspects → wrote that the band displayed aspects 
  • According to LaPlante, the band's music was constructed out of a progressive metal foundation before being condensed for the final version of the songs.[74] Revolver's Eli Enis described the band's musical style as an arrangement of "alt-metal with elegant vocals and thunderous djent grooves".[70] LaPlante herself has defined the musical genre of Spiritbox as metalcore;[8] however, she also said that "[her] main goal with this band is fluidity".[3] How about moving LaPlante's parts together at the end of the paragraph, with a little added context: In a 2019 interview, LaPlante said the band's music was constructed out of a progressive metal foundation before being condensed for the final version of the songs.[74] In 2021, after recording Eternal Blue, she defined the musical genre of Spiritbox as metalcore;[8] however, she has also said that "[her] main goal with this band is fluidity".[3]   I like your rewrite!
  • Guitar World wrote that Spiritbox "successfully mastered the art of digitally infused metal" while "maintaining a sonic stamp that's completely their own". I'd be okay with keeping while inside of the quotation. It's fine to remove the dash from the original per MOS:PMC. It's used for a parenthetic statement in the original and not needed here.
    • I suppose you might be alright with this one, but I'm not comfortable with this change. I don't like inserting things into quotes. I will do it if you absolutely insist, however. dannymusiceditor oops 03:08, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
      • I think there's a misunderstanding. Here's the source with the quoted part underlined: One band who've successfully mastered the art of digitally infused metal - while maintaining a sonic stamp that's completely their own - is Canadian trio Spiritbox. The while is already there. I'm not going to absolutely insist, though, I just feel it works better as a single quotation. (That'd be 17 words from a 300-word article, so about 5% which is okay for fair use.)
  • She said that it is necessary to push the boundaries of the metalcore genre by bringing modernity and diversity of vocal styles to stay relevant. The paraphrase may be too literal. When the source talks about including "more voices" I think it's talking about artistic voices/viewpoints/backgrounds rather than literal vocal performances. Also "modernity and diversity" are a bit of a close paraphrase to "modern" and "diverse". Suggest: She said that it is necessary to push the boundaries of the metalcore genre by being inclusive and progressive, to stay relevant. 
  • Her vocal phrasing based on her musical expression, primarily rooted in contemporary R&B, would become a distinctive feature; → is a distinctive feature.
Neutrality

Derdeyn2021, Morin20210823 say that the band was "formed in 2016". Chichester–Revolver says the band was "incepted" in 2017. When sources are reliable but in disagreement, I usually add a little footnote stating which sources say what, and explain the difference if I can or why the article text uses one view over another.

There is evidence in the early portion of the article that the band's beginnings were in 2016, but I think the issue is that the project probably didn't have a name yet. I think that's where Chichester is drawing that from. dannymusiceditor oops 21:56, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
I'll leave it up to you if you want to footnote an explanation of that, since there are different years in the lead and infobox.
Stability

Some minor back-and-forth editing in April 2023 over minor issues, nothing I would call an edit war.

Media

It looks like these photos were taken as part of a big project, it's a shame they don't have descriptions.

Other areas to improve

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Although not part of the GA criteria, here are some other areas you might want to improve:

  • Some of the sources appear twice in the references. You could name them and call the named reference. Chichester, Sammi (July 3, 2020). "See Spiritbox Evoke 'Midsommar' In Video For Crushing New Song "Holy Roller""; Keenan, Hesher (March 13, 2023). "It's Official: Spiritbox Finally Announced Their Withdrawal from Falling In Reverse Tour"; Rogers, Jack (December 11, 2020 "Spiritbox's Courtney LaPlante: "'My Main Goal With This Band Is Fluidity' "
  • If you're going to go further than GA with this article, I'd advise going through the sources, favouring the higher-quality sources to cover more material and pare away the excess.
  • Spiritbox ultimately received over $38,000 in funding from FACTOR (the Foundation to Assist Canadian Talent on Records), funded by the Government of Canada and private broadcasters, to support the band's recording and touring. According to the report, they received this money in fiscal year 2019, which I believe is April 2019 – March 2020. So I'm wondering if chronologically this would fit better a little further down, maybe in the last paragraph after the release of Singles Collection in April 2019. The funding boost would then lead into their

General discussion

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Thanks for your patience, hopefully this was worth the wait. Please ping me down here when you've gone through everything and are ready for me to take another pass at it, or if you have a question about the review. – Reidgreg (talk) 03:47, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thank you so much for the review, I really appreciate it. I'm going to busy most of today, but I should have it done on Monday night. dannymusiceditor oops 04:59, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Take your time, I don't hold to the seven-day rule. –  Reidgreg (talk) 16:02, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
I have done or responded to most of the sourcing concerns; I think I forgot to either address or respond to a few, but I've lost track due to the size of the list. I'm working on prose now. That should be easier. EDIT: Instructions said to ping. @Reidgreg: dannymusiceditor oops 17:39, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Reidgreg: I believe I have made all requested changes, or responded to them. dannymusiceditor oops 03:08, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
@DannyMusicEditor: Thanks! I'm going to be working on this today. Please hold any edits to the article until I'm done. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:39, 3 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
@DannyMusicEditor: I've ticked most of the boxes (and made a few minor changes to the article). The remaining issues I've marked with  ? so they stand out. – Reidgreg (talk) 19:01, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Reidgreg: I think that's everything, save for "Trust Fall". It didn't have a video of its own, it was just released as a standalone single that they eventually just bundled into Singles Collection. I was kind of hoping I could bundle all those into the early part of the article without necessarily having to mention them - it's been easy for all the rest of the others, and it would be awkward to mention that one outside the rest of the others. It's rather clearly indicated that all of the songs on it were previously released as singles prior to its release. dannymusiceditor oops 21:01, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
@DannyMusicEditor: Okay, I'm waiving the need for a citation there for list completion. I didn't find a high-quality source but there are enough mentions here and there that I'm satisfied it exists.
Thanks for your patience through all of this. I am happy to pass this nomination as a good article. Congrats! – Reidgreg (talk) 00:29, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
See, the thing is, I can verify in passing mentions that it was a single, but nothing in depth. This, for instance. [1] Otherwise, your thoroughness is remarkable, and you have my sincere thanks for this review, Reid! dannymusiceditor oops 01:47, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
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