Talk:Seventh son of a seventh son

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This article should be linked to other relevant ones. Hydriotaphia 08:19, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

"The seventh son of a seventh son is also widely believed to have a direct link to Satan in some areas, and is thus granted with other "special abilities."" What "special abilities"? Sexual?? Should be more clear and less. . . ashamed. . . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.60.182.124 (talk) 07:59, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Removing Biblical "reference"

i don't see any Biblical support of this "seventh son" notion. saying, "the Bible mentions the number 7, so it supports the seventh son concept!" is like saying, "people make swords, so Excalibur is real!" there's a connecting term (7 and 7, sword and a sword), but there's absolutely no logical connection. unless there is a specific verse that mentions "Seventh Son" in the Bible, then this reference should be removed.

Either the reference was removed or you are reading this wrong.

Discworld reference

From Sourcery

There was an eighth son of an eighth son. He was quite naturally, a wizard. And there it should have ended. However (for reasons we'd better not go into), he had seven sons. And then he had an eighth son ... a wizard squared ... a source of magic ... a Sourcerer.

Found here: http://www.voidspace.org.uk/cyberpunk/pratchett_summary.shtml

-=# Amos E Wolfe ^talk #=- 17:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Meaning?

The seventh son of a seventh son is which of the following?

• The seventh child (a son) born to a mother and father then begets at least seven more children, the seventh who is a son.
• Seven sons are born to a mother and father (although they may have more than 7 children), and the son 7th in line then also begets at least seven sons.
• Seven lineages all bear a son, followed by seven more lineages who all bear a son.

Can someone please clarify and update the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 1000Faces (talk • contribs) 05:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC).

I think that it's the second one.

Contradiction

In the folklore, do intervening daughters break the sequence? Th first lines of the article say yes, but further down the same paragraph the answer is given as no. I'm removing both until we have an answer so as to avoid confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.82.82 (talk) 00:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Scratch that. I see that I was misreading it. However, I still don't see what the last part of the first paragraph means, as I don't understand what case is being referred to. Any explanation or rephrasing would be much appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.82.82 (talk) 00:57, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Seriously?

The article states that in Latin America, this is a curse that "can only be broken if the president is the child's godfather." Seriously? You have to get the President of the country to become the godfather of the seventh son of a seventh son? This reeks of bullshit to me, but as I have no proof, I'm leaving as is. — Eric Herboso 10:54, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

It's a lame joke. someone from Latin America should see this and make a real entry. 178.253.211.162 (talk) 14:54, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

There is an article on the Argentinian law: es:ley de padrinazgo presidencial --Error (talk) 02:24, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

References

I,too, like it when the random mentions in pop culture are twice as long as the article itself. --JD79 (talk) 16:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't see why the "popular culture" references were deleted. They are modern references to the legend. Why is that not notable? We've already noted that the article needs citations.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:52, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

They're hardly relevant, as most of them only mention 7th sons in passing. It's one thing if a book has a 7th son as a main character, or major plot element (e.g. Sourcery, though that's an 8th son but equivalent to 7th in-universe). It's another thing if a song has one single line that mentions a 7th son in passing (e.g Highway 61 Revisited (song) with "But the second mother was with the seventh son And they were both out on Highway 61."). The music section in particular is complete garbage. Plantdrew (talk) 06:20, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

No mention of the Willie Dixon song? PurpleChez (talk) 19:43, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Tantra

There is a tradition in tantrism that eating the flesh of a "seven-times returner", i.e. someone who has been reborn seven times as a human being, confers magical abilities, especially aiding the practitioner in becoming enlightened. The flesh is made into pills. I know someone who owns such a pill.

Like most things tantric, it would be difficult to obtain reliable sources for this! Also, it's not directly related to the 'seventh son' thing. But it seems rather close.... MrDemeanour (talk) 05:25, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Another example

Michael Collins (elder), father of Michael Collins (Irish Republican/leader/hero) was a 7 of 7 (according to the article on Michael Collins younger.

So, that should be included here as an "example". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.200.217.133 (talk) 20:33, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Len Dawson

"The seventh son must come from an unbroken line with no female siblings born between, and be, in turn, born to such a seventh son."

"Dawson was the ninth of 11 children" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Dawson

"“I’m the seventh son of seven sons,” Dawson said of being the youngest male in a brood of 11." http://www.cantonrep.com/article/20120420/News/304209812— Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.180.141 (talk)

Removed as unsupported exceptional claim, per WP:SELFSOURCE. / edg ☺ ☭ 15:22, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Perry Como

• The biography Perry Como: A Biography and Complete Career Record (ISBN 9780786471669) says, that while Como entertained this factoid, his older siblings included sisters.[1]

Removed. / edg ☺ ☭ 15:22, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Restored as a false claim. Apparently the seventh son subject was raised frequently in interviews late in Como's life. / edg ☺ ☭ 16:16, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Aaron M. Stephens

Website is currently down. Only source I can find is his Smashwords autobio, which is probably self-sourced and not verified. Also, who?

• "Aaron M. Stephens - Biography". Smashwords.

Removed. / edg ☺ ☭ 15:22, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Official site is back up: http://aaronmstephens.com/bio/ . Despite prominent ABC news logo I can find nothing on him on ABCnews.go.com . Since Stephens's site is highly promotional and claims "the divine guidance of angels", the Seventh Son claim would need outside verification, per WP:SELFSOURCE. / edg ☺ ☭ 04:14, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Seventh son

There should be a section or an independent article on the seventh son, since there are Belgian and Argentine customs associated with them. --Error (talk) 02:26, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Italian Ciarallo and United States

The reference links are broken Jennnayyy (talk) 17:43, 21 March 2024 (UTC)