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News update on the prosecution of the involved RCMP officers

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http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/02/rcmp-found-guilty-perjury-dziekanski-tasering-case/ 188.252.10.2 (talk) 17:34, 21 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

I had to edit the title of your section, since it's ridiculous to insinuate that all Canadians are discriminatory against Polish nationals or even that it's a country-wide issue recurring on a massive scale. Jurjenb (talk) 16:57, 25 November 2018 (UTC)Reply
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Officers still serving?

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At one point this article declares "Three of the officers remain on duty elsewhere in Canada..." while further down it notes "On October 30, 2017, The Canadian Supreme Court dismissed the appeals and affirmed the sentences of both Kwesi Millington and Benjamin Robinson who were convicted of perjury. Millington was sentenced to 30 months and Robinson to 2 years."

It is unlikely that both are true. I assume the first is out of date, but can anyone clarify this for sure? Claudia (talk) 19:44, 5 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

"incident" ?! What a terrible title!

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No murder by cop deserves a title of "incident". This needs a much better title, like "killing".--Tallard (talk) 15:26, 1 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

I was informed years later, during a first aid course, that Dziekański was blue in the face when dying. The police, because of their incompetence, sat on him until he suffocated. They did not recognize the fact that a person who can't breathe will necessarily struggle for breath. They did not take advice from first-aiders because they thought they knew better.
The additional issue was that police were more interested in "showing the flag" to the staring crowd, than to de-escalate the situation. Thus a simple call for help from a distraught passenger turned into his murder. As is plainly seen from Dziekański's gesturing to them when the police showed up, any competent officer would de-escalate the situation, but incompetent rookies didn't know any better.
The context of this was the police training that encouraged them to put public in danger, rather than de-escalating and risking coming home with bruises, the way Canadian police used to be trained in decades past. 172.103.222.67 (talk) 20:56, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 12 December 2020

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Consensus to move (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 09:42, 20 December 2020 (UTC)Reply


Robert Dziekański Taser incident → Killing of Robert Dziekański – "Taser incident" is an absurd title that I won't even pretend is worth discussing. The chief coroner ruled his death a homicide, though no murder charges were ever laid. Therefore "Killing of" seems like the best option, as "Tasing of" seems to imply Dziekanski was not killed by the tasers, which he was. SomerIsland (talk) 23:12, 12 December 2020 (UTC) SomerIsland (talk) 23:12, 12 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

"Killing" does not imply premeditated intent, "Murder" does though, which is why I suggested we avoid that word. "Death of" is almost as bad a title as the current one, and it makes this sound like he just randomly had a heart attack. The cops knew that their actions could very well lead to his death, and they did so anyways. That is enough to call this a "Killing". SomerIsland (talk) 20:32, 14 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
Actually, several dictionaries say that "killing" (used as a noun like this) implies intentional killing. Four examples are MacMillan (American): an act in which someone is deliberately killed; Oxford Advanced American Dictionary: an act of killing someone deliberately; Cambridge: an occasion when a person is murdered; and Collins: A killing is an act of deliberately killing a person. — BarrelProof (talk) 02:42, 15 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
I saw that RfC when I was looking into this, and its what primarily informed my proposal of "Killing of". To me and I think most people on that talk page, "Death of" conveys natural causes, and is not usually applied to homicide, which this was. Truthfully this is a subjective issue, but "Death of" does a lot to absolve the police of responsibility in this killing. SomerIsland (talk) 06:44, 15 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
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