Talk:Muhammad al-Idrisi

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Probably worth including under "in popular culture", he has a landform on Pluto named after him, referenced here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_geological_features_on_Pluto#Montes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.114.68.72 (talk) 18:25, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

I removed the reference to the Tabula Idrisiana on the grounds that I can find no references at all to this name outside of Wikipedia and its mirrors. So far as I can tell, it's always called Tabula Rogeriana in English --User:Paul Drye

Never was moroccan, when the Almoravid empire, the capital was Aoudagost (Mauritania), and your family was originated from Malaga (Spain). true, he was spanish or mauritan , Ceuta never belongs Morocco (founded at 1956). (Sustrai (talk) 00:03, 9 October 2011 (UTC))

usefull information

• google "&as_q=Sarif+Idrisi"

• [1] shows many alternative names (transliteration?)
  • follow links [2] and [3]
• [4] the map (again)
• [5] from [6] online (Spanish translation)
• [7] follow [8] and [9]

• [10] in French
• [11] in Kroatioan

• google "&as_q=Idrisi"

references in Wikipedia

• Links toMuhammad al-Idrisi see also redirects Links to Idrisi, Links to Al Idrisi, Links to Al-Idrisi, Links to Abu Abd Allah Muhammad al-Idrisi
• Links to IDRISI (IDRISI project at Clark University, software Idrisi)
• google "&as_sitesearch=en.wikipedia.org&as_q=Idrisi"
• Links to de:Al-Idrisi see also redirects ...
• Links to de:IDRISI (project IDRISI at Clark University, Idrisi (software))
• google "&as_sitesearch=de.wikipedia.org&as_q=Idrisi"
• Links to ms:Abu Abdallah Muhammad Al-Idrisi see also redirects
• Links to pl:Al-Idrisi see also redirects

• google "&as_sitesearch=fr.wikipedia.org&as_q=Idrisi"
• google "&as_sitesearch=es.wikipedia.org&as_q=Idrisi"
• google "&as_sitesearch=wikipedia.org&as_q=Idrisi" google all above + others

About alternative names used for Idrisi

• Dear friends, I just wundered when looking at Timisoara about the first mention of that town without a link to Idrisi (now it is inserted) and was quite surpriesed as well, that the forms at Timisoara (Sarif al Idrisi) and Idrisi (Idrisi - and also all redirects and forms in other languages) where different.

• It is the same problem over and over again, also between western languages only. It would be helpfull not to have such great differences between the names in different languages. There allways will be orographical or spelling differences as âl-İdrisi for tt.wikipedia.org and that is OK.
• Idrisi should not be used alone because it is an disambiguation for
  • for Al-Idrisi
  • for the IDRISI project at Clark University
  • for the Idrisi (software)

• Because the exposed place in History of geography and the future articles in other languages similar alternative forms should be found and mentioned in the main article. Please see also en: Village pump (miscellaneous)#indications about bibliographic item(s) (see Catalog). Regards Gangleri 22:03, 2004 Oct 13 (UTC)

Poland

when writing about Poland he has conflated it with the land that is the modern-day Czech Republic, because he wrote about "a country surrounded by mountains" — this seems to be a very confused statement. What does it mean? He applied the term "Poland" to an area different from the 1945 polish borders? come on... dab 09:48, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

You need of course to pay attention when he wrote his great work. He could neither travel everywhere nor forsee our times. Regards Gangleri 16:00, 2004 Oct 14 (UTC)

that's exactly my meaning. He didn't 'conflate' anything, he wrote about his times, not about modern Europe. I really don't get the point of this passage. dab 22:26, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

hey there. i just read this now. The point is that Poland in 12th century was certainly not 'surrounded by mountains'.cheers

-- 87.205.37.223 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 23:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

See also ...

• See also ...
  • Arabic name Gangleri 23:49, 2004 Oct 17 (UTC)
  • de:Benutzer Diskussion:Martin-vogel#Al-Idrisi (in German) Gangleri 15:55, 2004 Oct 14 (UTC)

page move

I moved it to Muhammad al-Idrisi for consistency with Ahmad ibn Fadlan (first name plus characteristic (geographical) name, not just (al-)Idrisi, but not full name either). I adjusted all redirects (no multiple redirects should be left). dab 22:29, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

consistent name usage

• Halló, google "&as_sitesearch=en.wikipedia.org&as_q=Idrisi" shows different examples of name usage inside en.wikipedia. How to write the short form of the name: al-Idrisi or Al-Idrisi? If agreement for the short form will be achieved: How to write it at the beginning of a sentence (starting with a majuscle or not)? Gangleri 23:41, 2004 Oct 17 (UTC)

Way late, but for anyone sle confused: Treat it like the first character of any sentence. That means a Majuscle even though the word "that" is normally written in minuscle. --Enyavar (talk) 14:50, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Map image may not be the best choice

I've uploaded two image files with what look like better copies of the Idrisi map than the one given in the article; both are thumbnailed here for comparison. I suggest the use of either one of these as they include more detail. The one thing about the existing article image is that the map copy is south-oriented just like al-Idrissi's original, but the north-oriented ones are more helpful for comparison with the actual shape in modern maps.

The first one is given in the link to "the map" in the section "usefull information " on this talk page. The link's address is http://www.historisches-franken.de/andechs_geheimnis/technik_weltkarte431.htm. The second one is from a google search.

File:Idrisimap.jpg

Note that both these copies are north-oriented. --Scriber 02:48, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

these are not original, they appear to be european copies. Pure inuyasha 01:21, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

that is correct, all these world maps are later-age reconstructions or copies. The second map has since been deleted from commons, apparently copyright issue. --Enyavar (talk) 14:50, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Seven continents?

"al-Idrisi constructed a world globe map of 400 Kg pure silver and precisely recorded on it the seven continents with trade routes, lakes and rivers, major cities, and plains and mountains."

How can he have recorded all seven continents in the early 12th century? Honestly.

Done, Has long since been removed. --Enyavar (talk) 14:50, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Muslim vs. Morroco

Acording to all this diferent, no?... because if Almoravid was a Empre, and he born in Ceuta, Spain... when I talk about Morocco?Bokpasa 19:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I did not understand what you mean, but the Almoravids are the name of a ruling dynasty not a country. Claiming Al-idrisi to Spain because he is born in a city controlled today by Spain is completely wrong.--A Jalil 13:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Is not city controlled today by Spain, its a Spanisch city. Acording to Larousse, Almoravids was a Empire, dynasty and a sect. The begening of Almoravids was Senegal and Mauhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Muhammad_al-Idrisi&action=edit&section=10#

Bokpasa 08:53, 3 December 2007 (UTC)retania, not Morocco.

Al-Idrisi was born in Ceuta when that city was still part of Morocco, ruled by the Almoravid dynasty. Spain as a country did not exist at that time. S711 (talk) 21:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Morocco was part of Almoravid Empire, as Algeria and Portugal. Almoravid was country and islamic sect and a dynasty. Its different! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.30.61.7 (talk) 10:40, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Let us stick to what is common usage under historians. They say that the Morocco was ruled by the Almoravid dynasty and that Ceuta was a part of Morocco at that time (UNESCO, General History of Africa II, Africa from the seventh to the eleventh century, p. 336-435, The Almoravids). If you disagree please cite a source to back it up.S711 (talk) 10:20, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyright violation

The section "Chief work and achievement" needs a more thorough re-writing as it was lifted by an editor (now banned for copyright violation) from http://www.muslimheritage.com/uploads/Sicily1.pdf. This is copyright 2003, 2004 of FSTC Limited (Foundation for Science Technology and Civilisation). - Fayenatic (talk) 09:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I have now removed the section that was in violation of copyright. The above link may provide a useful source for an editor who wishes to expand the article, but any text from it must be rewritten, not copied. - Fayenatic (talk) 06:53, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Legacy section

I tagged the "Legacy" section as unreferenced. It was part of this edit, the rest of which was removed for copyright violation. (I got involved because I had previously spent an hour wikifying one of the same contributor's new articles, before that got deleted for copyvio.) This still includes the WP:PEACOCK sentence that "He was so remarkable that he was nicknamed the strobe of the Arabs" -- and I am not sure what the latter means anyway. User:Attilios removed the tag on 5 Sept but as he has not responded to a longer note on his talk page, I have reinstated the tag. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:54, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Same place-name

Ceuta and Sabtah aren't the same town? From the Latin "Septem"(Seven) or "Septem Frates" (7 Brothers)

Tabular Rogeriana

The illustration is upside down. Can someone smarter than me turn it over? Thanks. 155.213.224.59 (talk) 17:41, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Anyone with the same problem, please check out File:TabulaRogeriana upside-down.jpg (north up = reversed) and File:Tabula Rogeriana 1929 copy by Konrad Miller.jpg (south up = "original"). Enjoy. --Enyavar (talk) 14:50, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

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• TabulaRogeriana upside-down.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 17:38, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Muhammad al-Idrisi

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Muhammad al-Idrisi's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "harley":

• From Tabula Rogeriana: Harley & Woodward, 1992, pp. 156–161.
• From Age of Discovery: Harley & Woodward, 1992, pp. 156–61.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 00:03, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Egyptology

The al-Idrisi who wrote an account of the Pyramids (discussed in El-Daly's book) is a different figure (Abu Jacfar Muhammad Ibn cAbd Al-cAziz al-Idrisi, d. 1251). This section should be removed from this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.29.69.171 (talk) 23:10, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Done. Sorry about that. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:24, 22 March 2023 (UTC)