Talk:Koli people

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Hello, In this page major mistake done. Religion of koli people is only hindu not any other. Let me explain in simple word " If someone change their religion from hindu to other then he will not supposed to use caste of Hinduism . If still you use this path then there are no point to make identity of koli word. Koli peoples are decedent of madhanta 'a Ikshvaku dynasty king'. You can go through several article to agree on my fact. You can also check caste list and religion given by indian government.

My point is

If someone change their religion Hindu to other Then they loss all they identity of hindu and can't use same identity in other religion.and in Christian and Muslim no caste system as in hindu. So, you can not classify Christian koli or islamic koli . Koli people are only hindu. If Christian accept Hinduism then you can't say they are hindu Christian.

Please correct it . Religion section must be valid. You can use list of caste of hindu religion by government of India . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acervolte (talk • contribs) 09:28, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

As per constitution of India, Rights stands of that people on basis of historical exploitation.so caste will too stands. 43.254.176.246 (talk) 05:38, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Other Backward Class question

In this edit, I added, with source [List of OBCs in Goa, assertion that Koli is designated an Other Backward Class in Goa. Another editor reverted that. Is it not correct? If not this Koli people, what is the community that the source identifies? --doncram 22:03, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Specifically, if there is a different Koli that is synonymous but unrelated to the community described in this article, then what is the article topic name that that community should be described at? Koli (Goa), or what? This article should be given a disambiguating hat-note, like "for the Koli of Goa, see Koli (Goa)". It is not clear in this article yet. --doncram 22:11, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Koli is an umbrella term qualified by prefixes and suffixes. It denotes an occupation: fishing. There are this Koli and that Koli, you are right, this article needs to be a disambiguation page. (I must add that in its present state, the article is ... bad, not single reliable source.) For example this article written in the Marathi language informs that "Koli Mahadev" is a scheduled tribe.[1] (the context is Maharashtra state), in the same place the Tokare Koli are scheduled tribes,[2], this article[3] mentions a Maharashtra Koli group which is agitating to be considered equivalent to Tokare Koli, this is just the proverbial tip of the iceberg. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 23:23, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

In 2023 Many Koli community members are working in various fields.You are denoting historical points. 43.254.176.246 (talk) 05:40, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

I have re-added and revised in this article, to current statement within "Twentieth Century" section:

Groups with "Koli" in their name have been designated Other Backward Class (OBC) in Goa and in Gujarat. Specifically "Koli, Kharvi (including Christian Kharvi)" have been designated OBC in Goa since 1996, and "Chuvalia Koli" and "Divecha Koli" have been designated OBC in Gujarat since 1993.

References

I am open to revision of that statement and/or reworking into the rest of the section, but this addition seems short, factual and useful. Note it takes care not to say the OBCs are the focus of this Koli people article, and it leaves open the idea that the OBCs are different groups. It seems likely impossible to say which Wikipedia article the state of India means to refer to, when it uses the term Koli, so I think something like this is the best we can do. It is also unusual within Wikipedia to refer to Wikipedia articles as such, which the note about Kharvi does, but I think for the moment that this is a decent option.

I noted previously that editor Sitush added hatnote "For the ethnic group found in Goa, see Kharvi," which is kind of unexplained (why would that be related at all?). This addition to text and notes makes the connection, i.e. that there is a naming of "Koli, Kharvi" in an official source, suggesting that Koli is a term that can be used to refer to the group that editor Sitush thinks should be mainly termed Kharvi, I gather. So the combo of text and note accomplishes something useful, clarifying. --doncram 18:43, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Clean up

Implemented a general cleanup, my topic ban "Indian history broadly construed" prevented me from doing more, other editors are requested to do the rest, this article needs to be rewritten from a scratch, quality sources ought to be used to rebuild it. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 03:24, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Deleted most of the unsourced stuff per WP:V. It needs some more cleanup IMO and I may try again as I find time.OrangesRyellow (talk) 07:21, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Looking into the sources, I find that Jaffrelot has been used for a number of points. I, for one, regard Jaffrelot to be too biased for indic topics. That apart, there are no page numbers. If page numbers are not added in a few days, I intend to delete Jaffrelot's book for that reason. Secondlly, some sources like the ones on Niars and Rajputs are off topic and non RS for this article. I intend to delete them too.OrangesRyellow (talk) 11:52, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Reverted you. It is well sourced. On a smartphone at the mo but you cannot possibly delete Jaffrelot etc. Not sure about the other stuff you deleted either cos it had only just been tagged. Best to wait a few weeks unless blp violation or known problem area. Sitush (talk) 15:45, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

It seems you cannot see things properly on smartphone because I do not see any of the stuff I deleted as being "tagged". You say "Not sure about the other stuff you deleted either cos it had only just been tagged." It seems you can see things on smartphone which I can't see on my laptop. Besides, you do not seem to be communicating well. Please do not interfere unless you are sure what you are talking about. I do not see why I should wait for a few weeks and I do not see what new thing could happen in a few weeks. Even if something new does happen, we can always revert. Wikipedia will not break if I continue without waiting for a few weeks.OrangesRyellow (talk) 16:04, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Not sure about the other stuff you deleted either... Since you are unsure, it may be best if you avoid reverting things about which you are unsure. To my way of thinking, one should revert only if one is sure.OrangesRyellow (talk) 16:12, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Haven't reverted the other stuff yet - your recent 6000 character deletion, much of which was recently tagged. Jaffrelot stays: if u think he is biassed then find some sources showing the other pov. There are page numbers - no idea why you cannot see them. - Sitush (talk) 16:29, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Can see page no.s now. Jaffrelot can stay. But why have you reinserted off-topic sources? And where is the tag? Still can't see the tag.OrangesRyellow (talk) 17:15, 23 December 2012 (UTC) You are talking about deletion of unsourced content which I did a few days ago?OrangesRyellow (talk) 17:30, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

You have been cavalier in your mass deletes, here & elsewhere. I see Dr Blofeld has noticed this, too. Page numbers were always present - I added the content & know what I'm doing with cites. If you read the text then you'll know why Rajputs etc are mentioned. If you read msgs above, you'll see my point abt tags relates to stuff you deleted that I've not yet reverted. Why you have suddenly decided Jaffrelot is ok when previously making a sweeping assertion of bias is weird but I'm pleased you now seeing sense. - Sitush (talk) 17:41, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Religion of koli peoples is only hindu not Muslim please correct it otherwise legal action can be taken. For any one person you can't change religion of whole community. Acervolte (talk) 06:16, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

It is pointless adding a comment to a thread last edited 8 years ago and seemingly about something else. I suggest you start again with a new section. - Sitush (talk) 03:42, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Kharvi

This page has a hatnote, for Koli's of Goa see Kharvi, which as I understand is a misdirection. The hat note needs to be taken off. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 12:47, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

I see nothing to say that they have some kind of similarity and may be mistaken for each other etc. The two different appellations Koli, Kharvi do not seem to be homophones. Deleting.OrangesRyellow (talk) 15:15, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

@Sitush. Why have you reinserted the hatnote?17:18, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Eh? They are not homophones. They are synonyms. - Sitush (talk) 17:44, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Present evidence that Koli and Kharvi are synonyms? One purpose of a hatnote is to redirect visitor to the correct article, would a reader looking for Kharvi land at Koli? Unlikely. Unless evidence is presented to the contrary the note needs to be taken off. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 01:52, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

No. The purpose of a hatnote is to disambig similar terms. Koli = fisherman etc, as you have said elsewhere, and NVBC is unclear whether subgroup or synonym etc, as I have said elsewhere. It does not harm & you know that I have already explained this stuff.,- Sitush (talk) 08:00, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

May we have the evidence please? Yogesh Khandke (talk) 03:01, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

This is being discussed elsewhere, as you well know. Explanations have been given, including the (for want of a better phrase) official confusion of the NCBC - Sitush (talk) 22:38, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

If it is discussed elsewhere may we have the diff(s) please? Yogesh Khandke (talk) 02:26, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Not wasting my time dealing with this here. You know where the discussion is - feel free to add the diffs yourself. - Sitush (talk) 03:00, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Ethnic group

@sitush:- Hi dude, I am new to editing, I am from mumbai and belongs to koli caste(native east indian of Bombay).

         I can see my post has been deleted by you with some reason that I don't understand why?. I am giving some reference here for my post 
         If possible please add this in to this page. If not possible please give me clear picture for same.
         Here is my statement :- "In Mumbai, Native Christians include East Indian Catholics, who were converted by the Portuguese
         during the 16th century, are also koli people" 
         reference for same is "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai#cite_note-257" And "http://www.east-indians.com/" And 
         "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zC62JNVUuo"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prshntsathe (talk • contribs) 06:07, 1 November 2013 (UTC) 

"Koli's are an "ethnic group", where is the evidence? This article needs to be weeded of all inaccuracies, I would be happier with less that is accurate than more that isn't. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 02:23, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Not a term I usually use cos I don't really understand how to define it. "Community" works for me. - Sitush (talk) 08:06, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

See p. 85 of this. Will search for more later. - Sitush (talk) 08:32, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't say that Koli's are a separate ethnic group, it makes a general statement that census enumeraters club different ethnic group under one name. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 03:06, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Eh? It says "... various combinations of ethnic groups like (1) Koli..." Don't start splitting hairs yet again, please, as I'm kind of meeting you halfway here in expressing some doubt about definition & pointing out that it is a term that I cannot recall using anywhere. How would you define an ethnic group? - Sitush (talk) 22:21, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Instead of attacks like "don't start hair splitting" why not wait for other editors (not just the two of us) look at the issue whether the Koli are an ethnic group, the source above doesn't say so IMO. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 02:24, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, since the phrase "ethnic group" precedes "Koli", what else am I to think? - Sitush (talk) 02:27, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

While I wait for a response to my initial query - ie: how do you, Yogesh, define an ethnic group - here are some other sources that use the term in relation to communities called Koli (no idea if they are the same community as referenced in this article).

• 1
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• 5

One of these is M. N. Srinivas. - Sitush (talk) 02:59, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

(1) My understanding of the term in the Indian context is like here. (2) All the above links refer to groups which identify themselves or are classified as "tribes", you too admit that the term may not be the same as the subject of this article. (3) In my opinion, as stated before is to turn this page in a disambiguation page, with any group called "Koli this" or "that Koli" having an entry here. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 05:12, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

The unsourced explanation in the link that you give appears to be describing linguistic groups. Is that really helpful in this situation? It is certainly not how the Anthropological Survey of India treated the subject when they determined there were at least 4600 communities. Regarding the links, I know that sources describe Kolis variously as tribes, as castes etc. The sources are not consistent and now you seem to have confirmed what I have been saying for weeks, Some of those sources appear to use the terms synonymously, some seem to just use one term and at least one appears to be from a time when some Kolis somewhere or another were classified as a scheduled tribe.

If you turn this page into a disambig then presumably you are going to create articles for all of the various Koli references. I agree with the idea of a disambig in principle and, in fact, that is precisely the role that the present dab hatnote is playing. What I am not wanting to see is another run of mostly-redlinked disambig pages of the type that has caused Doncram so much grief in the past: it will cause far more grief in this tough subject area than it ever has done in the relatively placid sphere of NRHP listings. Further, the practical(as opposed to principled) problem is that, as you are aware, there are few eyes on this subject matter and preventing descent into structural chaos/vandalism/other disruption will require those few eyes to have watchlists extending to at least 20,000 pages and probably a much higher number. The best laid schemes o' mice an' men gang aft a-gley where caste-related articles are concerned. Even keeping on top of redirects can be a time-sink, although one positive from my involvement has been an increased number of admins who are prepared to take action. - Sitush (talk) 19:20, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

(1) I have no desire in playing the one upmanship game, it doesn't matter whether you agree with me, or I agree with you, I am happy that seemingly we agree that "this" article is a candidate for a disambiguation page. (2) Doncram is a hundred thousand club editor, I do not wish to comment on your remarks regarding him, as I haven't the wherewithal to check their accuracy, in one instance, he seemed to be right. (3) I disagree that any area is tough in itself, my opinion is that the approach in "castes" has been flawed. That is a long story and this is not the place to discuss the issue. I dont believe because "plans go wrong" we shouldn't make them, esp. in this case, a dab page which will contain links for anything sounding like Koli. That is all for the moment from me. Thanks. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 04:08, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Obama

I have yet again reverted some poor content from this article. The story concerning Obama's dancing etc is simply trivia, and it is dreadfully phrased. With regard to the statement relating to East Indians, we would need reliable independent sources rather than the advocacy-type websites that are currently used. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 08:09, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Very Gujrat centric article

This article is very Gujrat centric. It makes no mention of Koli in the other states as well Koli scheduled castes. --bal537 22:24, 17 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bal537 (talk • contribs)

a good article on Gujrat Koli http://www.ccdgujarat.org/uploads/articles-english/culture/07-The-Kolis-of-Gujarat-A-conspectus.pdf. --bal537 22:31, 17 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bal537 (talk • contribs)

another source which states that Koli is used by many castes. http://books.google.com/books?id=Be3PCvzf-BYC&pg=PA276&lpg=PA276&dq=koli+caste&source=bl&ots=9j7qSerjDn&sig=OUgCfPnrmyJnp4nFnj2m790wEKo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PkRGUbT_Atji4APVi4DIBQ&ved=0CFkQ6AEwCDgU#v=onepage&q=koli%20caste&f=false bal537 22:35, 17 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bal537 (talk • contribs)

I feel sure that you are right. However, use of Sadasivan as a source has raised many questions at many articles, probably the most notable of which is Nair. Your CCD source is a religious-based advocacy group and thus is only reliable for statements about itself. I suspect that the PDF document that you link to comes from somewhere else and so it may be ok - the problem is, we don't know where that "somewhere else" is and we cannot link to a host that is likely to be breaching copyright by hosting it. Basically, we'll need better sourcing. - Sitush (talk) 00:25, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

since you are ok with 1993 govt. of india source, the you should be also ok with the 2001 govt. of India source. I will use the same format. bal537 12:59, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Ethnicity and caste

Hi, does anyone happen to know if there is there any connection/relationship between the Koli ethnic group described in this article, and the name of the Koli caste, also found mainly in northern India?

Language

Is their ethnic language this Koli language ?Cathry (talk) 16:36, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

% of Kolis in Gujarat

@Sitush: Yes it is this edit about which I'm concerned. The 2004 book says "Kolis are 24% of Gujarat's population" based on the 1931 census. You have previously said the 1931 census is unreliable and so it shouldn't be used. So either this info should be removed or at least it should be mentioned that it is from 1931 and not from 2004. A145029 (talk) 22:45, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

I am removing the citation that says that Kolis are 24% of Gujarat, because although this citation was published in 2004, the statistic is based on the 1994 South Asia Bulletin and the 1994 South Asia Bulletin gets that information from the British Era 1931 census, which was deemed as unreliable. A145029 (talk) 11:02, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand how things work. We do not use the Raj sources directly but if a modern reliable source has deemed a specific point in the Raj publication to be reliable then that is ok. - Sitush (talk) 08:30, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

I also cannot see where the source says it derives its figure from the Raj era anyway. The relevant page for the percentage is p 221 (the education bit is on p. 302, yes, but the cite appears to have become mangled over the years). - Sitush (talk) 08:38, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Just Google "koli gujarat population" and you will find loads of news sources that estimate the population as being between 20 and 24 percent. It is significant for the politics of the state etc and I don't think we can simply ignore it. - Sitush (talk) 08:43, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

I was about to hit the revert button but I saw there is some discussion here. 20 percent seems common. Capitals00 (talk) 15:25, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2019

1:Yasaji Kank-Notiable People 2:Sub Caste-Kabbilaga Koli from karnataka, And Mudiraj Koli From Andra Pradesh. 2405:204:9216:9A3A:0:0:3A6:90B1 (talk) 02:46, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Goldsztajn (talk) 08:26, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Koliya is already defined in Wikipedia

Koliya is already defined in Wikipedia and it is the same as koli Kk mahor (talk) 14:46, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Dubious? Koliya is a dreadful article, recently culled by me. Conflating ancient and modern communities of India without reliable sources is a common game played on Wikipedia by people who seek to claim a glorious kshatriya past. If you can't reliably source the connection, please don't make it. This page is not for random speculation and/or puffery. - Sitush (talk) 04:27, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Mahawar mahour mahaur

Mahawar means mahaan manav.. Mahawar is original name that converts to mahaur or mahour like January in English and janwary in hindi Kk mahor (talk) 10:16, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Why make this comment? And please see WP:V. - Sitush (talk) 04:23, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

admin intervention in this article

@Utcursch: If you have time, please take a look. Seems to be a lot of caste puffery and intentional misreading of the sources.

No clear history present on Koli community.

As we came across many changes regularly happening on article. I request remove or hide this article till the sources are concrete. This is misleading the people and bring unnecessary differences. I request admin to hide or remove this article until we receive clear picture on this. Thank you SunilK1234567 (talk) 22:54, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

The problems regarding this and related Koli articles are actually more to do with people trying to subvert Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sockpuppetry, off-wiki canvassing, insistence on glorification and the hiding of "inconvenient truths", mendacious citation of sources etc have been endemic for years. So much so, I am afraid that often when I gain the impression that a contributor might be from India, I almost immediately have to fight the temptation just to ignore them because they will certainly be wrong. Just stick to the consensus of the Wikipedia community regarding sourcing etc or say and do nothing here. - Sitush (talk) 03:24, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 April 2020

Koli Patels are another sub-caste of Patidars in Gujarat. 135.19.28.98 (talk) 00:58, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Aasim 01:42, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

koli patel is subcaste of patidar

Patidar's history is an interesting socio-economic narration of two castes from the medieval times, namely, peasant caste Kanbi and warrior Koli. Before the British land reforms were introduced in central Gujarat and Saurashtra, Kanbis and Kolis enjoyed equal socio-economic status. The British Raj land reforms came in two forms in Gujarat. Under one category a village was considered as land revenue unit and the ownership of land was given to the entire community. The Kanbis adopted this practice. The Koli villages adopted the other form where a landlord treated as a unit for land revenue cultivation. A number of ryots (cultivators) worked under him. The landlord was responsible for payment of tax. Over the time, the Kanbi villages proved better both in payment of land revenue and creation of wealth on the account of more produce from the land. Kolis found it difficult to till all the cultivable lands under one landlord. The Kanbi group had moved from upper Shudra class to Vaishya also Kolis upgraded from their previous position. The caste census of 1931 recognised Kanbis as Patidars for the first time as a distinct caste. Koli Patels are another sub-caste of Patidars in Gujarat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.19.28.98 (talk) 01:13, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

koli patel does equal to patidar

I was surprised when clicking on the link Patidar brought me to page dedicated to Patel. Patel is a caste as Kanbis or Patidars. The use of lastname Patel cut across castes, religions and regions. I think the claim by Kanbi caste (both the Leuva and Kadwa) of Gujarat on name Patel is within Hindu caste system holier than thou (Sanskritization process as its called in India) by adapting to high sounding name for their caste. In other parts of Gujarat the last name Patel is used by members of other castes.

Hence, this page is totally misleading in terms of defining surname Patel as it seems the page has been created solely by members of Kanbi caste to paint themselves as Patels. Dcpatel (talk) 21:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok I want to say somethings about moving upward in Sanskrit,

First it's done by cast which are from lower strata of society i.e. in current India OBC, SC, ST. Kanbis and kolis are upper cast group( Uzariat) as known in Gujarat. Anjana and Chowdharis are OBC( other backward class), Dholias are ST( Schedule Tribe) so only Leua,Kadava and koli are consider as upper caste in Gujarat. About Anjana Chowdharis are doing it to move upward and prove self as Kshatriya in first para we can see that. No need to jump your guns but keep article as Contemporary as possible and remove remarks of Shudras and such( we don't call OBC groups Shudras though they enjoy reservation policy benefit). OBC are backward cast and they were in pastoral business in past( not now like Yadavas, Ahirs, Choudharis). Agriculture was never shudra work, only in south India it was said so cause they have only two casts Brahmanas and Shudras( their king was also called Shudra sometime because of late Brahmanization). Uttame Kheti, Madhyme Vepar, Kanisthe Chakari so Agricuture was never lower caste job. Kadava,Leuva and koli still enjoy Upper Caste status in Gujarat change it accordingly or just make it article for Patel surname only including Muslims.

Sources are as follows( You can read them if you like they are not about Patel but Ancient and Medieval Indian History) Wonder that was India, A L Basam. RUPA CO. Early India, Romila Thapar. PENGUIN. An Advanced History of India, R C Majumadar, Raychudhari, Datta. MACMILLAN. The Mughal Empire, J F Richards, Cambridge. Medieval India, Satish Chandra, HAR ANAND. A Histroty of South India, K A Nilakanta Sastri, OXFORD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.19.28.98 (talk) 01:34, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 June 2020

Please edit religion of koli people from hindu,islam, Christian to only Hinduism .i have a proof of complete data population wise you can check this site to verify it.

Koli people are belong to Hinduism only .

Buddhism	

0.15 %, Christianity (Evangelical Unknown) 0.02 %, Ethnic Religions 0.00 %, Hinduism 99.41 %, Islam 0.00 %, Non-Religious 0.00 %, Other / Small 0.41 %, Unknown 0.00 %.

Source of Information https://joshuaproject.net/people_groups/17247/IN 2405:204:830D:66A:78D1:A3F2:89E7:32E2 (talk) 10:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The Joshua Project is not a reliable, secondary source. Also note that a small number does not mean zero... Jack Frost (talk) 12:21, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 June 2020

Change religion of koli people to Hinduism only. Dear friend as i am Indian and coming from this community i have knowledge about religion of koli people. And also in data of government of india, religion of koli people is Hinduism.And you also known that in Hindu this caste exist. This caste is not exist in any other religion like islam , Christian and other.and if you think koli hindu convert into islam then they will also loss identity of Hinduism and free from using it caste system.

Proof : https://www.peoplegroups.org/explore/GroupDetails.aspx?peid=41550

From book

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=vf4TBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA542&lpg=PA542&dq=koli+people+religion+government&source=bl&ots=HQPK70Tkth&sig=ACfU3U3r63KA1J0-mix1kz2dpfxW2WfNbQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwixysvHhZPqAhUX4zgGHbHJCnEQ6AEwDnoECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=koli%20people%20religion%20government&f=false

https://joshuaproject.net/people_groups/21555/IN 2405:204:830D:66A:8DC8:A6F:7576:61BF (talk) 14:08, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Per the previous edit request of 10:23am (UTC), a small percentage of non-Hindu population is not the same as "only" Hindu (the latter as stated in your request). Two of the three sources, again fail to meet reliability criteria, and in the book you reference, the author states "most Koli practice Hinduism" (not all). -- S.Hinakawa (talk) 15:51, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 December 2020

राजकुमारी यशोधरा (अन्य नाम:गोपा,बिंबा,भदृकच्छा)(566 ईसा पूर्व - 483 ईसा पूर्व) कोलीय वंश के राजा सुप्पबुद्ध और उनकी पत्नी पमिता की पुत्री थीं। यशोधरा की माता- पमिता राजा शुद्धोदन की बहन थीं। १६ वर्ष की आयु में यशोधरा का विवाह राजा शुद्धोधन के पुत्र सिद्धार्थ गौतम के साथ हुआ। बाद में सिद्धार्थ गौतम संन्यासी हुए और गौतम बुद्ध के नाम से प्रसिद्ध हुए। यशोधरा ने २९ वर्ष की आयु में एक पुत्र को जन्म दिया जिसका नाम राहुल था। अपने पति गौतम बुद्ध के संन्यासी हो जाने के बाद यशोधरा ने अपने बेटे का पालन पोषण करते हुए एक संत का जीवन अपना लिया। उन्होंने मूल्यवान वस्त्राभूषण का त्याग कर दिया। पीला वस्त्र पहना और दिन में एक बार भोजन किया। जब उनके पुत्र राहुल ने भी संन्यास अपनाया तब वे भी संन्यासिनि हो गईं। उनका देहावसान ७८ वर्ष की आयु में गौतम बुद्ध के निर्वाण से २ वर्ष पहले हुआ।

राजकुमारी यशोधरा

Gautama Buddha's parents were from two different mahājanapadās (kingdoms) of the Solar dynasty — his father (Śuddhodana) belonged to the Shakya kingdom, while his mother (Maya) was from the Koliya kingdom. According to Buddhist texts, after Buddha's Mahaparinirvana, his cremated remains were divided and distributed among the princes of eight of the sixteen mahājanapadās. Each of the princes constructed a stupa at or near his capital city, within which the respective portion of the ashes was enshrined.[4] These eight stupas were located — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:205:C888:12B0:B387:BE55:9061:E172 (talk) 13:06, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Merge Suggestion

List of Koli states and clans is a stub and orphan, could it be merged into this article under a new heading? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asimoth (talk • contribs) 14:15, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

List of Koli states and clans is very unreliable and should get deleted, not merged. – Uanfala (talk) 22:19, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Sockery and all that

I've just passed the article through this tool that shows which user contributed which bits of text. The overall statistics are concerning: 39% of the article's wikitext has been contributed by Jigraj Ravidasia, a blocked sockpuppet with a history of unreliable sourcing, with further 7% by PawanjiGupta and Colageed, who are similarly socks; some of the content has been contributed by IPs, who may or may not have been socks: their contribution should amount to less than 15% of the text.

Just throwing this out there. I'm not going to undertake any cleanup, because I don't understand the topic area, but some of you may be in a better position to do something about the problem. – Uanfala (talk) 22:30, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 December 2023

Hi, im Presley Dsouza. Im currently studying for my 12th ssc boards and while i had some free time, i decided to learn about the east indians from mumbai. ie. My ansestors who were orignally kholis. I have a lot of information and an amazing story about a women who was the heir to 10 crores worth of property in mumbai but was exiled from her house at a young age which led her to work and become a millionare all by herself after getting a divorce from her husband she didnt ask for a single penny and acquired all of this wealth by working hard without any education she was related to the richest east indians in mumbai and was the one who gave me this life Presley dsouza (talk) 10:04, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lewcm Talk to me! 12:51, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Decrease page protection

Hello. I think it would be better if the protection level was decreased from extended to semi. The article needs to be worked on; it has multiple spelling errors, and the history section needs to be more concise. Could an admin please do that? TNM101 (chat) 11:55, 14 October 2024 (UTC)