Talk:Grammarly

Latest comment: 58 minutes ago by AZH for Grammarly in topic A few updates to introduction

Clean up of promotional edits

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As many of you know, this article about grammarly has a lot of promotional edits done to it, and it still sounds like an advert, may I ask all editors involved in the editing of this article, to help fix it, so it doesn't sound like an advert, and for those who are doing promotional editing, I ask you to stop, because Wikipedia is not a a site for making adverts, so who's in ? 96.230.240.122 (talk) 21:57, 28 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

Anon, could you could say more about what you think makes the article sound promotional? Editors above have talked about including the price and how that may be seen as promotional, and they seem to have come to a compromise. What parts of the article do you still have problems with? What kind of information do you think the article should contain and do you know of sources which could help us improve the article? Wug·a·po·des 23:47, 28 January 2020 (UTC)Reply
I've gone through the article; there was only a phrase or two that felt promotional, which I fixed. I think the article is pretty neutral now, though it might need some expansion. -- Beland (talk) 01:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

Product

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Isn't this article about the company, and not the product. If so, why is 60% of the content on the article about the product? 108.7.222.250 (talk) 13:50, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

It's about both. The company has little notability beyond the product. --Hipal (talk) 16:43, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
thanks for clearing that up :) 108.7.222.250 (talk) 18:22, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Which languages this product fix?

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Article no say Grammarly product fix grammar for which languages. Trinhhoa (talk) 02:38, 12 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Trinhhoa: Hey Trinhhoa, you are welcome to add the information yourself if you want to. Just try not to say it in a promotional way. GameTriangle (talk) 00:08, 16 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
If you work from reliable, independent sources, you shouldn't go far wrong. WP:RSP and WP:RSN are helpful in determining if a source is reliable. --Hipal (talk) 01:48, 16 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
The infobox says it's available in English only. -- Beland (talk) 01:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

Trying to Clean Up and Add

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Hello, everyone. I'm new to Wiki editing, but I am trying to add some more information to this article, like a section for what the product actually does and where it can be used. I am being careful not to make it seem promotional, but it is very hard to find information on Grammarly that isn't either the Grammarly website itself or this wiki page. Hopefully pointing out what the product actually does doesn't come across as promotional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CatamountMG (talkcontribs) 15:39, 22 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Out of curiosity, what was your rational for deleting all of the references? Some of them were arguably excessive, but in my mind excessive citations are better than no citations at all. Foxbud (talk) 20:00, 24 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
I've reverted it. The edit summary misrepresented the edit, the edit was so large that it's unclear what was changed, and most of the references were removed.
Please work in small edits with clear edit summaries.
Do not remove references without indicating you are doing so, and with some indication as to why.
This article has a very problematic history. Before editing it, would be best if editors were extremely familiar with WP:NOT, WP:POV, and all related policies/guidelines. --Hipal (talk) 21:02, 24 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Disagreement Regarding New Content

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On February 23, Samantha Sandisk introduced changes that Hipal and I reverted per WP:SOAP and WP:N. On March 3, Samantha reintroduced these changes without an edit summary explaining why the mentioned Wikipedia policies do not apply to the changes. Samantha, could you please clarify your reasoning? Foxbud (talk) 16:43, 3 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

I've gone ahead and reverted the edits. Thanks for starting this discussion. As Samantha Sandisk has yet to respond to any of the notices on her talk page, I don't expect to see a response here. Looks like a UPE account that needs to be blocked. --Hipal (talk) 17:14, 3 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

fact check: Ukrainian?

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although they clearly support Ukraine against Russia's invasion (as, in my humble opinion, they should), I am not sure if attributing the company as "Ukrainian American" is legitimate. That attribution was just "American" not long before the open warfare started, if the page history is anything to go by. Could someone check on this? I don't have time to investigate this thoroughly at the moment due to an essay I'm writing (which is why I was originally looking up Grammarly)--Macks2008 (talk) 06:01, 8 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

It's actually gone back and forth, even before the invasion. None of the three nearest citations near the claim seemed to support it, but I did find one that at least states that the original founders of Grammarly are Ukrainian (which I've added as a citation). That said, it still might be misleading to attribute the entire company as "Ukrainian American-Headquartered." Foxbud (talk) 13:27, 8 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
I have removed this claim from the first sentence. The rest of the intro clarifies the HQ is in the U.S. and the founders were from Ukraine. -- Beland (talk) 01:35, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply
I believe the phrasing "Ukraine-founded American-headquartered" would be optimal, since the company itself claims to be "Ukraine-founded and built"[1] and says Ukraine is "where our company was founded".[2] At the same time, they don't quite assert to be an American but rather a "global" (as one does) company[1][2]. So, I think, the proposed phrasing accurately conveys facts, while also reflecting the company's own perspective regarding the matter. Steffuld (talk) 15:14, 15 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Style of English Used

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After reading MOS:STYLEVAR, I propose that Grammarly's style of English be American English. Why? Because its headquarters are in the United States, and MOS:TIES says that "An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the [...] English of that nation". Should we make the change? -- 27 is my favorite number. You can ask me why here. 15:56, 16 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

FTR, the invisible template has since been updated to indicate American English. -- Beland (talk) 01:40, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

Removed for discussion: Funding section=

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In May 2017, the company raised $110 million in its first round of funding from General Catalyst, IVP, and Spark Capital.[3] In October 2019, the company raised $90 million during the second round of funding, at a valuation of more than $1 billion.[4] In November 2021, the company raised $200 million, led by Baillie Gifford and funds managed by BlackRock, to continue its investment in its artificial intelligence technology and expand hiring.[5]

  1. ^ a b "Grammarly Stands With Ukraine". Grammarly Supports and Stands With Ukraine | Grammarly. 2023-02-20. Retrieved 2023-12-15.
  2. ^ a b "How Grammarly Is Honoring Our Commitment to Ukraine". How Grammarly Is Honoring Our Commitment to Ukraine | Grammarly Blog. 2022-04-26. Retrieved 2023-12-15.
  3. ^ "Grammarly raises $110 million for a better spell check". TechCrunch. Archived from the original on 2021-05-27. Retrieved 2021-05-27.
  4. ^ "Grammarly raises $90M at over $1B+ valuation for its AI-based grammar and writing tools". TechCrunch. Archived from the original on 2021-05-27. Retrieved 2021-05-27.
  5. ^ "Grammarly raises $200M at a $13B valuation to make you an even better writer using AI". TechCrunch. Retrieved 2021-11-19.

I've moved this section here as it looks like WP:PROMO and WP:NOTNEWS. --Hipal (talk) 03:17, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

I'd tend to agree that this section isn't especially noteworthy and feels promotional. Foxbud (talk) 14:25, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

Security: on Grammarly's Fix for Vulnerability

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This is regarding the security section that has had some contested edits as of late. In particular, the change from:

A few hours after being notified of the vulnerability, Grammarly released an update to fix the issue, which the Google researcher described as "a really impressive response time."

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After being notified of the vulnerability a few hours later Grammarly released a hot fix.

I disagree with the claim that the former edit contains redundant information. I would argue that the fact that the Google researcher specifically stated Grammarly's turnaround for the hotfix was "a really impressive response time." suggests that most companies Google deals with usually take a much longer time to release security updates. This fast turnaround time strikes me as relevant and notable information, as it shows that Grammarly displayed an atypical sense of urgency in correcting a critical security vulnerability.

Since there seems to be some amount of disagreement over these edits, I wanted to create this talk section so we could reach consensus. What are people's thoughts on this (in particular: Praxidicae & Alexander Davronov)? Foxbud (talk) 16:21, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Foxbud: It's enough to state a mere fact that the bug was fixed quickly. Otherwise, such statement needs to meet WP:GNG i.e. have many sources stating that that specific researcher's opinion was really notable. See also WP:NOTOPINION of WP:SOAPBOX. AXONOV (talk) 11:52, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
That's fair. Looking through a somewhat arbitrary selection of articles on the vulnerability, some incidentally mention the researcher's "really impressive response time" quote, but I wouldn't say that any assign special significance to it. Maybe my argument for keeping it veers into WP:NOR territory. Foxbud (talk) 17:26, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
I think your argue is genuinely coherent, but I don't agree with so much things you said. 177.105.90.44 (talk) 17:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@177.105.90.44: I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Do you disagree with my original argument for keeping this content, Alexander Davronov's argument for removing it, or my follow up comment agreeing with Alexander Davronov? Foxbud (talk) 16:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

History: Browser Extension "Beta Version"

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The paragraph in history that mentions a security vulnerability in the browser extension currently says the extension was in a "beta version." I can't seem to find any mention of it being a beta version in the provided sources.

@Myuno, it looks like you introduced this change here. Would you mind clarifying where you found this information? It's possible I'm misunderstanding the information presented in the cited project-zero bug report. Foxbud (talk) 17:34, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

The article still says beta. Do we have a source showing this? McYeee (talk) 15:56, 14 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Suggesting updates to History section

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Hey there! I'm a Grammarly employee with a conflict of interest, so I'm using the edit request system to suggest changes to the company article. For my first request, I've got a History section draft that I would like independent editors to take a look at. I'm going to put a side-by-side comparison in this post, so that everybody can see the changes I've made line-by-line, but in general, I tried to streamline the existing content, firm up sourcing on a couple of claims, and add information about significant developments in the company's history. I've taken pains to source that information from reliable media outlets that have no affiliation with Grammarly.

Here is the side-by-side comparison. My draft is on the right:

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Grammarly was founded by Max Lytvyn, Alex Shevchenko, and Dmytro Lider, the creators of My Dropbox, an [[Application software|app]] that checks essays for plagiarism. Grammarly was initially designed as an educational app to help university students improve their English skills. It was later offered to the end customers who use English in everyday life. In early 2018, [[Tavis Ormandy]], a security researcher at [[Google]] who was formerly part of Google's [[Project Zero (Google)|Project Zero]] team, discovered a [[Vulnerability (computing)|vulnerability]] in Grammarly's browser extension [[beta version]], which exposed authentication tokens to websites and potentially allowed them to access the users' documents and other data. Within a few hours, the company released a [[hotfix]] and reported that it found no evidence of compromised user data. Later in December, Grammarly launched a [[bug bounty program]] on [[HackerOne]], offering a <span style="white-space: nowrap">US$</span>100,000 reward to the first [[white hat hacker]] to access a specific document on the company's server. Grammarly effectively severed all business relations with users in [[Russia]] and [[Belarus]] in response to the [[2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine]]. The company also announced that it would donate the net revenue earned in Russia and Belarus since 2014 to Ukraine. It also provided free access to Ukrainian media, which reported on the war in English. [[File:Logo de grammarly.png|thumb|Former logo]] In April 2023, Grammarly launched a [[Beta stage|beta-stage]] product using [[generative AI]] called Grammarly GO, built on the [[GPT-3]] [[Large language model|large language models]]. The software can generate and re-write content based on prompts.
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Grammarly was founded in 2009 by Max Lytvyn, Alex Shevchenko, and Dmytro Lider. The company initially offered a subscription-based product intended to help students improve their grammar and spelling. That product was subsequently developed into a writing assistant that checks the grammar, spelling, and tone of a piece of writing. By 2015, Grammarly had one million active daily users. That same year, it began offering its flagship product via a [[freemium]] model that allowed all users access to the product's basic capabilities while placing more sophisticated features like style recommendations and plagiarism detection behind a paywall. It also launched a browser extension for [[Google Chrome|Chrome]], [[Safari (web browser)|Safari]], and [[Firefox]], as well as an add-on for [[Google Docs]]. In 2017, Grammarly raised $110 million in its first funding round. In early 2018, the [[Google]] security researcher [[Tavis Ormandy]] discovered a [[Vulnerability (computing)|vulnerability]] in Grammarly's browser extension [[beta version]], which potentially allowed hackers to access users' documents and other data. Within a few hours, the company released a [[hotfix]] and reported that it found no evidence of compromised user data. Also in 2018, the company launched Grammarly Business, a product intended to help companies maintain a unified tone and style across all their communications. In 2019, Grammarly added a tone detector to its writing assistant. This tool uses set rules and machine-learning to help users gauge the character of their writing and tailor it to a particular audience. That same year, the company held a second funding round, raising $90 million. In 2020, Grammarly made its first investment in an outside company, participating in a $10 million funding round for Docugami, a company working on AI-driven document generation. In 2021, Grammarly raised another $200 million, at a total valuation of $13 billion, via its third funding round. By this point, Grammarly had approximately 30 million users. In April 2023, Grammarly launched a product using [[generative AI]] built on the [[GPT-3]] [[Large language model|large language models]]. The software can generate and rewrite content based on prompts. It can also generate topic ideas and outlines for written content such as blog posts and academic essays. The software also has specific business applications. It has been trained on an anonymized library of business writing and is capable of suggesting clarifying edits and additions to work communications such as emails and chat messages. In September 2024, Grammarly announced the release of its Authorship tool, which attempts to identify the original source of a passage of text. It then designates the passage as written by the text's author, lifted from another source, or generated by AI.

References

  1. ^ a b "Grammarly brings its AI-powered proofreading tools to Google Docs". VentureBeat. 2018-09-12. Archived from the original on 2021-05-16. Retrieved 2021-05-27.
  2. ^ a b Rahman, Tameem (2020-06-05). "How Grammarly Grew to 7 Million Daily Users". Medium. Archived from the original on January 4, 2023. Retrieved February 19, 2022.
  3. ^ a b Greenberg, Andy (15 July 2014). "Meet 'Project Zero,' Google's Secret Team of Bug-Hunting Hackers". Wired.com. Archived from the original on 5 January 2015. Retrieved 4 January 2015.
  4. ^ a b Ormandy, Tavis (February 2, 2018). "Issue 1527: Grammarly: auth tokens are accessible to all websites". project-zero. Google. Archived from the original on January 4, 2023. Retrieved 2021-08-01.
  5. ^ a b Couts, Andrew (2018-02-05). "Grammarly Bug Let Snoops Read What You Wrote, Typos and All (Updated)". Gizmodo. Archived from the original on 2021-01-13. Retrieved 2021-08-01.
  6. ^ "Grammarly - Bug Bounty Program". HackerOne. March 2022. Archived from the original on March 15, 2023. Retrieved July 22, 2022.
  7. ^ MacLellan, Lila (March 5, 2022). "Ukrainian-founded Grammarly is donating all the money it made in Russia since 2014". Quartz. Archived from the original on March 9, 2022. Retrieved 2022-03-07.
  8. ^ Renbarger, Madeline. "'We feel frustrated': Startup CEOs with teams in Ukraine struggle to help their employees in any way they can". Business Insider. Archived from the original on January 4, 2023. Retrieved 2022-03-07.
  9. ^ Lila MacLellan (March 4, 2022). "Ukrainian-founded Grammarly is donating all the money it made in Russia since 2014". Quartz. Archived from the original on February 13, 2023. Retrieved December 9, 2022.
  10. ^ Hamish Hector (2023-03-09). "Grammarly's ChatGPT upgrade won't just improve your writing, it'll do it for you". TechRadar. Archived from the original on May 7, 2023. Retrieved 2023-05-07.
  11. ^ Akuchie, Michael (2023-03-16). "GrammarlyGo: Everything You Need To Know About The AI Writing Assistant". ScreenRant. Archived from the original on May 7, 2023. Retrieved 2023-05-07.
  12. ^ a b McEvoy, Jemima (November 23, 2021). "Grammarly Founders Become Billionaires From Fixing Your Sloppy Writing". Forbes. Retrieved September 19, 2024.
  13. ^ McCracken, Harry (April 1, 2019). "On its 10th anniversary, Grammarly looks way beyond grammar". Fast Company. Retrieved September 28, 2024.
  14. ^ Sullivan, Mark (March 19, 2024). "How Grammarly's AI is writing the new rules of writing". Fast Company. Retrieved September 28, 2024.
  15. ^ Krasnikov, Denys (July 6, 2018). "Grammarly opens new Kyiv office as demand rises for help with English". Kyiv Post. Retrieved September 19, 2024.
  16. ^ a b "Two of Grammarly's founders now billionaires with net worth of $4 bn each". Business Today. February 9, 2022. Retrieved September 19, 2024.
  17. ^ a b c Wiggers, Kyle (October 10, 2019). "Grammarly raises $90 million for AI that spots grammar errors and plagiarism". VentureBeat. Retrieved September 19, 2024.
  18. ^ Roof, Katie (May 8, 2017). "Grammarly raises $110 million for a better spell check". TechCrunch. Retrieved September 20, 2024.
  19. ^ Wallen, Jack (February 2, 2023). "Grammarly Business Review: Cost, Features, Pros & Cons". Tech Republic. Retrieved September 20, 2024.
  20. ^ Lardinois, Frederic (September 24, 2019). "Grammarly gets a tone detectorto keep you out of email trouble". TechCrunch. Retrieved September 20, 2024.
  21. ^ Wiggers, Kyle (September 24, 2019). "Grammarly uses AI to detect the tone and tenor of your writing". TechCrunch. Retrieved September 20, 2024.
  22. ^ Bishop, Todd (May 13, 2020). "Grammarly makes first investment, taking stake in Seattle document engineering startup Docugami". GeekWire. Retrieved September 20, 2024.
  23. ^ Podder, Sohini (November 17, 2021). "Grammarly raises fresh funds at $13 billion valuation". Reuters. Retrieved September 23, 2024.
  24. ^ Wiggers, Kyle (November 17, 2021). "Grammarly raises $200M to expand its AI-powered writing suggestions platform". VentureBeat. Retrieved September 28, 2024.
  25. ^ Hamish Hector (2023-03-09). "Grammarly's ChatGPT upgrade won't just improve your writing, it'll do it for you". TechRadar. Archived from the original on May 7, 2023. Retrieved 2023-05-07.
  26. ^ Akuchie, Michael (2023-03-16). "GrammarlyGo: Everything You Need To Know About The AI Writing Assistant". ScreenRant. Archived from the original on May 7, 2023. Retrieved 2023-05-07.
  27. ^ Chedraoui, Katelyni (June 11, 2024). "Did Apple Intelligence's 'Rewrite' Tool Just Kill Grammarly?". CNET. Retrieved September 23, 2024.
  28. ^ Melendez, Steven (March 26, 2024). "Grammarly's AI can now offer suggestions to make your work messages clearer". Reuters. Retrieved September 23, 2024.
  29. ^ Whitney, Lance (August 15, 2024). "Grammarly to roll out a new AI content detector tool. Here's how it works". ZDNet. Retrieved October 8, 2024.
  30. ^ Contreras, Brian (August 14, 2024). "This New Grammarly Tool Aims to Tell If AI Wrote a Document". Inc. Magazine. Retrieved October 8, 2024.

For ease of readability and so that editors can check individual sources, I'm also including my draft by itself:

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Grammarly was founded in 2009 by Max Lytvyn, Alex Shevchenko, and Dmytro Lider.[1] The company initially offered a subscription-based product intended to help students improve their grammar and spelling.[2] That product was subsequently developed into a writing assistant that checks the grammar, spelling, and tone of a piece of writing.[2][3][4]

By 2015, Grammarly had one million active daily users.[5] That same year, it began offering its flagship product via a freemium model that allowed all users access to the product's basic capabilities while placing more sophisticated features like style recommendations and plagiarism detection behind a paywall.[6][7] It also launched a browser extension for Chrome, Safari, and Firefox, as well as an add-on for Google Docs.[7]

In 2017, Grammarly raised $110 million in its first funding round.[8] In early 2018, the Google security researcher Tavis Ormandy[9] discovered a vulnerability in Grammarly's browser extension beta version, which potentially allowed hackers to access users' documents and other data.[10] Within a few hours, the company released a hotfix and reported that it found no evidence of compromised user data.[11] Also in 2018, the company launched Grammarly Business, a product intended to help companies maintain a unified tone and style across all their communications.[6][12]

In 2019, Grammarly added a tone detector to its writing assistant. This tool uses set rules and machine-learning to help users gauge the character of their writing and tailor it to a particular audience.[13][14] That same year, the company held a second funding round, raising $90 million.[7] In 2020, Grammarly made its first investment in an outside company, participating in a $10 million funding round for Docugami, a company working on AI-driven document generation.[15] In 2021, Grammarly raised another $200 million, at a total valuation of $13 billion, via its third funding round.[16] By this point, Grammarly had approximately 30 million users.[17]

In April 2023, Grammarly launched a product using generative AI built on the GPT-3 large language models.[18] The software can generate and rewrite content based on prompts.[19] It can also generate topic ideas and outlines for written content such as blog posts and academic essays.[20] The software also has specific business applications. It has been trained on an anonymized library of business writing and is capable of suggesting clarifying edits and additions to work communications such as emails and chat messages.[21] In September 2024, Grammarly announced the release of its Authorship tool, which attempts to identify the original source of a passage of text. It then designates the passage as written by the text's author, lifted from another source, or generated by AI.[22][23]

References

  1. ^ "Grammarly brings its AI-powered proofreading tools to Google Docs". VentureBeat. 2018-09-12. Archived from the original on 2021-05-16. Retrieved 2021-05-27.
  2. ^ a b McEvoy, Jemima (November 23, 2021). "Grammarly Founders Become Billionaires From Fixing Your Sloppy Writing". Forbes. Retrieved September 19, 2024.
  3. ^ McCracken, Harry (April 1, 2019). "On its 10th anniversary, Grammarly looks way beyond grammar". Fast Company. Retrieved September 28, 2024.
  4. ^ Sullivan, Mark (March 19, 2024). "How Grammarly's AI is writing the new rules of writing". Fast Company. Retrieved September 28, 2024.
  5. ^ Krasnikov, Denys (July 6, 2018). "Grammarly opens new Kyiv office as demand rises for help with English". Kyiv Post. Retrieved September 19, 2024.
  6. ^ a b "Two of Grammarly's founders now billionaires with net worth of $4 bn each". Business Today. February 9, 2022. Retrieved September 19, 2024.
  7. ^ a b c Wiggers, Kyle (October 10, 2019). "Grammarly raises $90 million for AI that spots grammar errors and plagiarism". VentureBeat. Retrieved September 19, 2024.
  8. ^ Roof, Katie (May 8, 2017). "Grammarly raises $110 million for a better spell check". TechCrunch. Retrieved September 20, 2024.
  9. ^ Greenberg, Andy (15 July 2014). "Meet 'Project Zero,' Google's Secret Team of Bug-Hunting Hackers". Wired.com. Archived from the original on 5 January 2015. Retrieved 4 January 2015.
  10. ^ Ormandy, Tavis (February 2, 2018). "Issue 1527: Grammarly: auth tokens are accessible to all websites". project-zero. Google. Archived from the original on January 4, 2023. Retrieved 2021-08-01.
  11. ^ Couts, Andrew (2018-02-05). "Grammarly Bug Let Snoops Read What You Wrote, Typos and All (Updated)". Gizmodo. Archived from the original on 2021-01-13. Retrieved 2021-08-01.
  12. ^ Wallen, Jack (February 2, 2023). "Grammarly Business Review: Cost, Features, Pros & Cons". Tech Republic. Retrieved September 20, 2024.
  13. ^ Lardinois, Frederic (September 24, 2019). "Grammarly gets a tone detectorto keep you out of email trouble". TechCrunch. Retrieved September 20, 2024.
  14. ^ Wiggers, Kyle (September 24, 2019). "Grammarly uses AI to detect the tone and tenor of your writing". TechCrunch. Retrieved September 20, 2024.
  15. ^ Bishop, Todd (May 13, 2020). "Grammarly makes first investment, taking stake in Seattle document engineering startup Docugami". GeekWire. Retrieved September 20, 2024.
  16. ^ Podder, Sohini (November 17, 2021). "Grammarly raises fresh funds at $13 billion valuation". Reuters. Retrieved September 23, 2024.
  17. ^ Wiggers, Kyle (November 17, 2021). "Grammarly raises $200M to expand its AI-powered writing suggestions platform". VentureBeat. Retrieved September 28, 2024.
  18. ^ Hamish Hector (2023-03-09). "Grammarly's ChatGPT upgrade won't just improve your writing, it'll do it for you". TechRadar. Archived from the original on May 7, 2023. Retrieved 2023-05-07.
  19. ^ Akuchie, Michael (2023-03-16). "GrammarlyGo: Everything You Need To Know About The AI Writing Assistant". ScreenRant. Archived from the original on May 7, 2023. Retrieved 2023-05-07.
  20. ^ Chedraoui, Katelyni (June 11, 2024). "Did Apple Intelligence's 'Rewrite' Tool Just Kill Grammarly?". CNET. Retrieved September 23, 2024.
  21. ^ Melendez, Steven (March 26, 2024). "Grammarly's AI can now offer suggestions to make your work messages clearer". Reuters. Retrieved September 23, 2024.
  22. ^ Whitney, Lance (August 15, 2024). "Grammarly to roll out a new AI content detector tool. Here's how it works". ZDNet. Retrieved October 8, 2024.
  23. ^ Contreras, Brian (August 14, 2024). "This New Grammarly Tool Aims to Tell If AI Wrote a Document". Inc. Magazine. Retrieved October 8, 2024.

I know I'm putting forward quite a bit in this request, so editors shouldn't hesitate to reach out with feedback or questions. If I can make the review process easier in any way, or if I need to revise anything in the draft, I'll do so to the best of my ability. Thanks! AZH for Grammarly (talk) 19:35, 11 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Not done Your proposed version downplays the vulnerability in three different ways. First, it leave out the phrase "exposed authentication tokens to websites", which is the only line in there that explains what Grammarly actually did wrong. Second, it attributes the ability to "hackers" rather than the websites that the tokens exposed to. Calling someone you exposed those credentials to a hacker is technically correct, but a quick Ctrl-f didn't show that it was done in the source you cite and to my ear it seems less neutral. Thirdly, you add a bunch of info to that section which is, frankly, less important that the vulnerability. If I had my druthers, we'd make the discussion of the vulnerability more prominent, not less.
The last paragraph is also problematic. If you want to mention the AI detection tool, you should also cite [1] or similar saying "A big question driving these decisions is: Do AI-detection tools even work?"
Fell free to submit another edit request to correct the spelling of peoples names. That seems like a good change.McYeee (talk) 06:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hey User:McYeee, I appreciate the feedback even though you disagree with most of what I'm putting forward. I fixed the misspelling of Alex Shevchenko's name in my post above. Thanks for catching that.
I'm willing to drop my suggestion to streamline the vulnerability passage. You make a strong argument for keeping it as-is. As far as your criticism re: Grammarly's AI detection tool, I did my best to briefly explain how the product works, as opposed to making a claim about its efficacy. I'm aware that AI detection tools in general can be faulty, but I'm discussing a specific one. That said, I'm open to dropping the Authorship passage as well, since I don't have a reliable source that vouches for its accuracy.
Putting those two issues to one side, perhaps we can find some common ground. My goal isn't to overload the section with irrelevant content. I'm trying to develop a clear, informative, well-sourced picture of the company's history, which includes raising funds, making investments, developing and launching new products, etc. Do you think any aspect of my draft succeeds in doing that? Is there anything that's almost correct but could stand to be adjusted?
Appreciate any further feedback you can provide. I'll await your response and will then do what I can to improve the draft. Thanks! AZH for Grammarly (talk) 20:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Partly done: Looking again at EZH's response, the information is good. I've reorganized the article slightly to avoid what I see as problems related to WP:DUE. I've stricken my previous conclusion of not done.McYeee (talk) 06:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for taking a second look, User:McYeee! I really appreciate the help. AZH for Grammarly (talk) 21:38, 17 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Converting infobox to "company" template

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Hello again! I wanted to ask if the community would consider changing the infobox in this article to a "company" one. (The infobox currently uses the "software" template.) The article's content sort of splits the difference between discussing Grammarly as a product and Grammarly as a company, but I think it makes sense to lean into the latter, as the company has become quite sizable over the years and receives a fair amount of press coverage that has little or nothing to do with its flagship product.

I mocked up a "company" infobox:

Extended content
Grammarly
IndustrySoftware, Artificial intelligence
Founded2009[1]
FoundersAlex Shevchenko, Max Lytvyn, and Dmytro Lider[1]
HeadquartersSan Francisco, CA.[2]
Key people
Rahul Roy-Chowdhury (CEO)[3]
Websitegrammarly.com

References

  1. ^ a b Krasnikov, Denys (July 6, 2018). "Grammarly opens new Kyiv office as demand rises for help with English". Kyiv Post. Retrieved September 19, 2024.
  2. ^ MacLellan, Lila (March 4, 2022). "Ukrainian-founded Grammarly is donating all the money it made in Russia since 2014". Quartz. Retrieved September 30, 2024.
  3. ^ Duttagupta, Ishani (March 22, 2023). "Indian-American Rahul Ray-Chowdhury named CEO of Grammarly". Times of India. Retrieved September 30, 2024.

I don't want to get ahead of myself, but if we do go ahead with this infobox change, it might make sense to alter the article introduction as well. I'm not trying to do that here, just raising it as a potential issue to be tackled in the future.

OK, I'll now step out of the way and let the community discuss my suggested change. Thanks! AZH for Grammarly (talk) 03:56, 23 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Is the phrase "Artificial Intelligence" verifiably due weight? McYeee (talk) 04:50, 23 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
I would suggest the confusion is really the fault of the company for naming its flagship product the same name as the company. Does Grammarly produce any other notable products? If we took away every mention of the Grammarly software the article would surely meet the criteria for deletion. All of those sources you linked mention the software in the first few lines of the article. I would submit the reason Grammarly is notable is because of the software. OXYLYPSE (talk) 14:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Not done: Per above McYeee (talk) 20:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
We disagree, but I appreciate the time you put into considering this, User:McYeee and User:OXYLYPSE. I'll leave this request closed and move on to other issues. AZH for Grammarly (talk) 18:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Suggesting Support for Ukraine section

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Hello again! I'm back to suggest the addition of a Support for Ukraine section. A recent version of the article had some information about Grammarly's efforts to help Ukrainians following Russia's invasion of the country in 2022. My section draft reorganizes that information for ease of readability and adds two new claims about the company giving its product away to Ukrainian journalists and partially funding the rebuild of a children's hospital in Kyiv. Draft text below, in the dropdown:

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  Done I felt like placing this in it's own section may come across as promotional in tone, so I've put it within the history section for now. If you have any more content similar to this then it might warrant creating a separate "charitable activities" (or something similar) section then we can absolutely look into that. Thanks, Encoded  Talk 💬 21:45, 1 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Support for Ukraine

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Following the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, Grammarly ceased all business operations in Russia and Belarus. The company also announced that it would donate all the net revenue it had earned in Russia and Belarus since 2014, about $5 million, to Ukrainian humanitarian groups.[1][2] Additionally, the company paid the salaries of Ukrainians who left their jobs at Grammarly to join the nation's army[3] and made its product free for Ukrainian journalists publishing news about the war in English.[1]

In July 2024, Grammarly donated approximately $500,000 to help rebuild Okhmatdyt children's hospital after the building was damaged by a Russian missile strike.[4][5]

References

  1. ^ a b Lila MacLellan (March 4, 2022). "Ukrainian-founded Grammarly is donating all the money it made in Russia since 2014". Quartz. Archived from the original on February 13, 2023. Retrieved December 9, 2022.
  2. ^ Renbarger, Madeline. "'We feel frustrated': Startup CEOs with teams in Ukraine struggle to help their employees in any way they can". Business Insider. Archived from the original on January 4, 2023. Retrieved 2022-03-07.
  3. ^ Anand, Priya (March 21, 2022). "Grammarly Continues to Pay Staffers Who Joined Ukrainian Army". Bloomberg. Retrieved October 29, 2024.
  4. ^ Lytovchenko, Viktoria (July 10, 2024). "UAH 300 million was raised for "Okhmatdyt" hospital's reconstruction". Online.UA. Retrieved October 29, 2024.
  5. ^ "In less than two days: UAH 300 million raised to rebuild Okhmatdyt". Ukraine Frontlines. July 10, 2024. Retrieved October 29, 2024.

I'm putting this forward as its own section because it's a particularly significant effort for the company, which was founded in Ukraine and still has a sizable footprint there. I could also see this content as a subsection within the History. I'll let other editors decide what's best. I'm happy to field any questions or concerns about the content and sourcing as well. Thanks! AZH for Grammarly (talk) 18:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

It reads like publicity rather than content in an encyclopedia article.
The first two references are fine. The Bloomberg piece is just a warmed-over press release and shouldn't be used.
I'm not sure what to make of the last two references, and it's unclear if they demonstrate WP:DUE mention in this article.
The first sentence is not verified by the first two references, rather they reported it as an announcement that Grammarly would be doing so. --Hipal (talk) 21:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)Reply


A few updates to introduction

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Hello again! I'm requesting a few updates to the article's introduction. I've put together a draft, which independent editors can review by clicking the dropdown below. My draft replaces primary and low-quality sourcing on claims that Grammarly was founded in Ukraine and is "cloud-based." It also adds a sentence about Grammarly's generative AI capabilities that's roughly in line with what's contained in the article's History section.

The most meaningful revision I'm seeking is changing the basic description of Grammarly from "typing assistant" to "writing assistant." I think that's a more accurate term for the product and it's one I've seen in several reliable sources. In my draft, I cited this 2024 ZDNet piece but for further proof that Grammarly is commonly referred to as a "writing assistant," I offer these articles:

  • Fast Company: "Grammarly has been using AI in its writing assistant for a decade, but the generative AI boom created a new opportunity for it to improve its service."
  • TechCrunch: "Today’s updates to Grammarly’s writing assistant are largely based on the company’s AI smarts, though some remain mostly rule-based, too. On the AI side, the service’s new tools for rewriting systems may be the most interesting ones."
  • CNET: "Grammarly, the company behind the digital writing assistant of the same name, is expanding its artificial intelligence resources with a new generative AI tool called GrammarlyGo."
  • A 2023 PC Mag review describes Grammarly as "[a] slick writing assistant for all your documents."

Here's my draft. I highlighted all new copy. (That "additionally" bit is just a grammatical tweak.) Anything that's not highlighted is the same as it currently appears in the article.

Introduction draft

Grammarly is a Ukraine-founded[1] cloud-based[2] writing assistant.[3] It reviews spelling, grammar, punctuation, clarity, engagement, and delivery mistakes in English texts, detects plagiarism, and suggests replacements for the identified errors.[4] Additionally, it allows users to customize their style, tone, and context-specific language.[5] It can also produce writing from user prompts with its generative AI capabilities.[6]

Grammarly was launched in 2009 by Alex Shevchenko [uk], Max Lytvyn [uk], and Dmytro Lider.[2] Grammarly is available as a standalone application for use with desktop programs, a browser extension optimized for Google Docs, and a smartphone keyboard.[2][7]

Grammarly is developed by Grammarly Inc., which is headquartered in San Francisco, California,[1] with offices in Kyiv,[8] New York City, Vancouver, and Berlin.[9][10]

References

  1. ^ a b Krasnikov, Denys (July 6, 2018). "Grammarly opens new Kyiv office as demand rises for help with English". Kyiv Post. Retrieved September 19, 2024.
  2. ^ a b c "Grammarly brings its AI-powered proofreading tools to Google Docs". VentureBeat. 2018-09-12. Archived from the original on 2021-05-16. Retrieved 2021-05-27.
  3. ^ Wallen, Jack (June 12, 2024). "Why the Grammarly app is so much better than the browser extension - and how to configure it". ZDNet. Retrieved November 25, 2024.
  4. ^ Moore, Ben (July 16, 2020). "Grammarly Review". PCMag. Archived from the original on April 10, 2021. Retrieved March 17, 2022.
  5. ^ Lardinois, Frederic (July 16, 2019). "Grammarly goes beyond grammar". Techcrunch. Archived from the original on January 15, 2021. Retrieved June 3, 2021.
  6. ^ Hamish Hector (2023-03-09). "Grammarly's ChatGPT upgrade won't just improve your writing, it'll do it for you". TechRadar. Archived from the original on May 7, 2023. Retrieved 2023-05-07.
  7. ^ Coberly, Cohen (2018-09-12). "You can finally use Grammarly within Google Docs". TechSpot. Archived from the original on 2019-04-04. Retrieved 2019-04-03.
  8. ^ "Grammarly opens new Kyiv office as demand rises for help with English | KyivPost - Ukraine's Global Voice". KyivPost. 2018-07-06. Archived from the original on 2021-04-07. Retrieved 2021-05-27.
  9. ^ McCracken, Harry (2019-04-01). "On its 10th anniversary, Grammarly looks way beyond grammar". Fast Company. Archived from the original on 2019-09-09. Retrieved 2019-09-06.
  10. ^ "AI-powered writing assistant Grammarly opens new office in downtown Vancouver | Venture". dailyhive.com. Archived from the original on 2019-09-14. Retrieved 2019-11-19.

Okay, enough from me. I'll let the community review my suggestions now. Please leave any questions or comments below and I'll do my best to address them promptly. Thank you! AZH for Grammarly (talk) 00:24, 27 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Using guidance from User:Spintendo below, I've rethought my revisions to the introduction. Perhaps this represents a more meaningful improvement:
Introduction draft 2

Grammarly is a writing assistant. It reviews the spelling, grammar, and tone of a piece of writing as well as identifying possible instances of plagiarism. It can also can suggest style and tonal recommendations to users and produce writing from prompts with its generative AI capabilities.

Grammarly was developed in Ukraine and launched in 2009 by Alex Shevchenko [uk], Max Lytvyn [uk], and Dmytro Lider. It is available as a standalone application; a browser extension for Chrome, Safari, and Firefox; and as an add-on for Google Docs.

Grammarly is developed by Grammarly Inc., which is headquartered in San Francisco[1] and has offices in Kyiv, New York, and Vancouver.[2]

References

  1. ^ Li, Diana (May 17, 2024). "Grammarly Wants to Expand Its AI From the Classroom to the Office". Bloomberg. Retrieved December 2, 2024. Grammarly Inc., a software company known for its writing assistant, is expanding its artificial intelligence offerings in the workplace... The move is part of San Francisco-based Grammarly's effort to ride the generative AI wave and pivot from a grammar-and-spelling checker to a corporate communications and workflow tool.
  2. ^ "AI-powered writing assistant Grammarly opens new office in downtown Vancouver | Venture". dailyhive.com. Archived from the original on 2019-09-14. Retrieved 2019-11-19.
The first two paragraphs consist of shorter version of claims made in the body of the article. I'm using citations in the last paragraph, which just states where the company operates. That information isn't in the body, but I think it's basic and important enough to be included in an article introduction. Of course, more experienced editors would know better than I do.
I'm also going to include the text of the History section, with relevant passages highlighted. Hopefully this makes it easy for editors to see where I'm pulling the intro's summary sentences from:
History

Grammarly was founded in 2009 by Max Lytvyn, Alex Shevchenko, and Dmytro Lider.[1] The company initially offered a subscription-based product intended to help students improve their grammar and spelling.[2] That product was subsequently developed into a writing assistant that checks the grammar, spelling, and tone of a piece of writing.[2][3][4]

By 2015, Grammarly had one million active daily users.[5] That same year, it began offering its flagship product via a freemium model that allowed all users access to the product's basic capabilities while placing more sophisticated features like style recommendations and plagiarism detection behind a paywall.[6][7] It also launched a browser extension for Chrome, Safari, and Firefox, as well as an add-on for Google Docs.[7]

In 2017, Grammarly raised $110 million in its first funding round.[8]

In 2019, Grammarly added a tone detector to its writing assistant. This tool uses set rules and machine-learning to help users gauge the character of their writing and tailor it to a particular audience.[9][10] That same year, the company held a second funding round, raising $90 million.[7] In 2020, Grammarly made its first investment in an outside company, participating in a $10 million funding round for Docugami, a company working on AI-driven document generation.[11] In 2021, Grammarly raised another $200 million, at a total valuation of $13 billion, via its third funding round.[12] By this point, Grammarly had approximately 30 million users.[13]

Following the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, Grammarly ceased all business operations in Russia and Belarus. The company also announced that it would donate all the net revenue it had earned in Russia and Belarus since 2014, about $5 million, to Ukrainian humanitarian groups.[14][15] Additionally, the company paid the salaries of Ukrainians who left their jobs at Grammarly to join the nation's army[16] and made its product free for Ukrainian journalists publishing news about the war in English.[14]

In April 2023, Grammarly launched a product using generative AI built on the GPT-3 large language models.[17] The software can generate and rewrite content based on prompts.[18] It can also generate topic ideas and outlines for written content such as blog posts and academic essays.[19] It has been trained on an anonymized library of business writing and is capable of suggesting clarifying edits and additions to work communications such as emails and chat messages.[20] In September 2024, Grammarly announced the release of its Authorship tool, which attempts to identify the original source of a passage of text. It then designates the passage as written by the text's author, lifted from another source, or generated by AI.[21][22] It's not clear to what extent such tools work.[23][24]

In July 2024, Grammarly donated approximately $500,000 to help rebuild Okhmatdyt children's hospital after the building was damaged by a Russian missile strike.[25][26]

References

  1. ^ "Grammarly brings its AI-powered proofreading tools to Google Docs". VentureBeat. 2018-09-12. Archived from the original on 2021-05-16. Retrieved 2021-05-27.
  2. ^ a b McEvoy, Jemima (November 23, 2021). "Grammarly Founders Become Billionaires From Fixing Your Sloppy Writing". Forbes. Retrieved September 19, 2024.
  3. ^ McCracken, Harry (April 1, 2019). "On its 10th anniversary, Grammarly looks way beyond grammar". Fast Company. Retrieved September 28, 2024.
  4. ^ Sullivan, Mark (March 19, 2024). "How Grammarly's AI is writing the new rules of writing". Fast Company. Retrieved September 28, 2024.
  5. ^ Krasnikov, Denys (July 6, 2018). "Grammarly opens new Kyiv office as demand rises for help with English". Kyiv Post. Retrieved September 19, 2024.
  6. ^ "Two of Grammarly's founders now billionaires with net worth of $4 bn each". Business Today. February 9, 2022. Retrieved September 19, 2024.
  7. ^ a b c Wiggers, Kyle (October 10, 2019). "Grammarly raises $90 million for AI that spots grammar errors and plagiarism". VentureBeat. Retrieved September 19, 2024.
  8. ^ Roof, Katie (May 8, 2017). "Grammarly raises $110 million for a better spell check". TechCrunch. Retrieved September 20, 2024.
  9. ^ Lardinois, Frederic (September 24, 2019). "Grammarly gets a tone detectorto keep you out of email trouble". TechCrunch. Retrieved September 20, 2024.
  10. ^ Wiggers, Kyle (September 24, 2019). "Grammarly uses AI to detect the tone and tenor of your writing". TechCrunch. Retrieved September 20, 2024.
  11. ^ Bishop, Todd (May 13, 2020). "Grammarly makes first investment, taking stake in Seattle document engineering startup Docugami". GeekWire. Retrieved September 20, 2024.
  12. ^ Podder, Sohini (November 17, 2021). "Grammarly raises fresh funds at $13 billion valuation". Reuters. Retrieved September 23, 2024.
  13. ^ Wiggers, Kyle (November 17, 2021). "Grammarly raises $200M to expand its AI-powered writing suggestions platform". VentureBeat. Retrieved September 28, 2024.
  14. ^ a b Lila MacLellan (March 4, 2022). "Ukrainian-founded Grammarly is donating all the money it made in Russia since 2014". Quartz. Archived from the original on February 13, 2023. Retrieved December 9, 2022.
  15. ^ Renbarger, Madeline. "'We feel frustrated': Startup CEOs with teams in Ukraine struggle to help their employees in any way they can". Business Insider. Archived from the original on January 4, 2023. Retrieved 2022-03-07.
  16. ^ Anand, Priya (March 21, 2022). "Grammarly Continues to Pay Staffers Who Joined Ukrainian Army". Bloomberg. Retrieved October 29, 2024.
  17. ^ Hamish Hector (2023-03-09). "Grammarly's ChatGPT upgrade won't just improve your writing, it'll do it for you". TechRadar. Archived from the original on May 7, 2023. Retrieved 2023-05-07.
  18. ^ Akuchie, Michael (2023-03-16). "GrammarlyGo: Everything You Need To Know About The AI Writing Assistant". ScreenRant. Archived from the original on May 7, 2023. Retrieved 2023-05-07.
  19. ^ Chedraoui, Katelyni (June 11, 2024). "Did Apple Intelligence's 'Rewrite' Tool Just Kill Grammarly?". CNET. Retrieved September 23, 2024.
  20. ^ Melendez, Steven (March 26, 2024). "Grammarly's AI can now offer suggestions to make your work messages clearer". Reuters. Retrieved September 23, 2024.
  21. ^ Whitney, Lance (August 15, 2024). "Grammarly to roll out a new AI content detector tool. Here's how it works". ZDNet. Retrieved October 8, 2024.
  22. ^ Contreras, Brian (August 14, 2024). "This New Grammarly Tool Aims to Tell If AI Wrote a Document". Inc. Magazine. Retrieved October 8, 2024.
  23. ^ Coffey, Lauren. "Professors Cautious of Tools to Detect AI-Generated Writing". Inside Higher Ed.
  24. ^ Fowler, Geoffrey A. (April 3, 2023). "We tested a new ChatGPT-detector for teachers. It flagged an innocent student". The Washington Post.
  25. ^ Lytovchenko, Viktoria (July 10, 2024). "UAH 300 million was raised for "Okhmatdyt" hospital's reconstruction". Online.UA. Retrieved October 29, 2024.
  26. ^ "In less than two days: UAH 300 million raised to rebuild Okhmatdyt". Ukraine Frontlines. July 10, 2024. Retrieved October 29, 2024.
I've reopened my request above. Eager to hear what other editors think. Thank you! AZH for Grammarly (talk) 20:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Reply 30-NOV-2024

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  • The typical guidance for lead sections states that references are to be omitted in that location in favor of being placed in the main body sections where the information is later mentioned. As such, I dont see this proposal as being an improvement. It would be better to have the sources for claims placed in the lead section existing elsewhere in the article where those claims are mentioned for the second time in fuller detail. (See MOS:LEAD.)

Regards,  Spintendo  10:31, 30 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the guidance, User:Spintendo. I wasn't aware of that policy. I've reopened and amended my request above. If you want to review, go right ahead. If not, no worries. AZH for Grammarly (talk) 20:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Done @AZH for Grammarly: I implemented the changes. The content in the article supports the revised lead. I left in the two sources at the bottom, despite @Spintendo:'s concerns about having sources in the lead, because this version reduces the overall source count. Not making perfect the enemy of better. If this were a company article, I'd suggest adding an operations section. Instead, since it's a software article, I recommend adding a Grammarly Inc. section. You could include a company infobox to the right, the location info with sources from the lead (then I could delete the sources in the lead), the names of the leadership team, any employee count you can source and maybe even revenue, if it can be sourced. It's a bit more work, but would improve the article. I'm happy to review if you want to ping me. STEMinfo (talk) 20:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, User:STEMinfo. That Grammarly Inc. section and company infobox sounds like a good idea. I'll be back soon with a draft! AZH for Grammarly (talk) 17:11, 5 December 2024 (UTC)Reply