Talk:Lake Duluth

"Valders"? Or "Greatlakean"?

I haven't been paying attention to this article.

Early in this article's development the following passage was added: "The drawing on this page is accurate but uses the obsolete term, 'Valders'. Valders was replaced by the term 'Greatlakean' when stratigraphic problems forced Valders to be abandoned."

I have several concerns with it.

1. the assertion is unreferenced;
2. the assertion contradicts the article's current references;
3. I don't understand this passage -- in particular I don't know what "stratigraphic problems" means in this context;
4. I am worried that the assertion is "unencyclopedic".

The contributor who inserted this passage may be correct. But this passage lapses from compliance with our policy on verifiability. We don't aim for "truth". We only aim for "verifiability". Using our current references the term is "Valders".

FWIW I spent ten or fifteen minutes trying to see if I could find a reference that definitely said the term "Valders" had been superceded by "GreatLakean". No joy.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 01:54, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was move per request.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:34, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

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• Glacial Lake Duluth → Lake Duluth
• Glacial Lake Frontenac → Lake Frontenac
• Glacial Lake Minong → Lake Minong
• Glacial Lake Admiralty → Lake Admiralty
• Glacial Lake Algonquin → Lake Algonquin
• Glacial Lake Great Falls → Lake Great Falls
• Glacial Lake Missoula → Lake Missoula
• Glacial Lake Ojibway → Lake Ojibway
• Glacial Lake Passaic → Lake Passaic
• Glacial Lake Tight → Lake Tight
• Glacial Lake Tonawanda → Lake Tonawanda
• Glacial Lake Bassano → Lake Bassano

– The prefix "Glacial" is usually unnecessary disambiguation and is WP:OR in many cases. The lakes in question are rarely referred to in sources as "Glacial Lake So-and-so". Many of these glacial lakes such as Lake Chicago and Lake Agassiz are already at deglaciated names. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 10:52, 14 July 2012 (UTC) —  AjaxSmack  03:41, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

This move request does not cover lakes with ambiguous names such as Glacial Lake Iroquois (although they would be better located at titles with parenthetical disambiguators). —  AjaxSmack  03:41, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• Support – This seems to be an improvement in relation to WP:COMMONNAME usage. A full week has gone by without any objection, so there don't seem to be any hidden problems. —BarrelProof (talk) 11:57, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support Do as reliable sources do.... First Light (talk) 15:46, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose; I've seen lots of sources that use "Glacial Lake _____" to make it clear that it is an historical lake being discussed. Powers ^T 01:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
  • But "glacial" does nothing to denote "historical" (Lake Vostok and Lake Ellsworth currently exist) and there are far more non-glacial historical lakes (e.g. Lake Bonneville, Lake Makgadikgadi). —  AjaxSmack  23:15, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
    • There may be individual cases where omitting the prefix is appropriate, but I don't think a mass rename is a good idea, as the issues may be unique to each lake. Powers ^T 00:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
      • The request is not for a mass move. I checked all of the above lakes for potential ambiguity and noted that lakes such as Glacial Lake Iroquois are not included in the nomination. If there are any other "issues", please note them. However, as I noted before, usage of the prefix "Glacial" is, in many cases, original research. —  AjaxSmack  23:11, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• Support all as per WP:COMMONNAME. No other lakes are disambiguated by its type (e.g. Lake Superior is also glacial). -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 21:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support all per argument put forward by nominator. If the alternative suggestion is to bring these all up individually - I don't see how that is helpful. LaTeeDa (talk) 06:21, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support all unless common usage needs to be invoked on an individual case basis. Marcus Qwertyus 15:28, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

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