Talk:Flag of Tennessee

Legend

Another legend about the three stars, also erroneous, is that they represented the three U.S. Presidents from Tennessee. This is incorrect but somewhat understandable in that the flag wasn't adopted until well after each of the three had served. Rlquall 14:14, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Salute

Did the proposed salute ever pass the House? If not, its place in the article, at least to the level of prominence that it currently holds, is questionable/marginal IMO. Rlquall 14:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Triangle of Stars

Is it not in some way significant that the triangle of stars is not pointing firmly down or up or left or right, but slightly turned? In my 7th grade Tennessee History we learned that there was some sort of significance to this, but I forget it.

The stars are arranged so that two points of each one lie adjacent to the inner perimeter of the circle, I believe this is mainly for aesthetic reasons. - Paul D., former TN resident. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.187.210.32 (talk)

Link to Confederate Battle Flag

I have reviewed the source that is referenced in the article about similarities between the Tennessee flag and the Confederate Battle Flag. The Vexillologist finds links between the two in that they share the same colors and both have white stars. I think this would apply to many flags. Is it necessary to include this in the article? I would like to be bold and remove this phrase to enforce a neutral point of view, but wanted to hear other opinions first. Mr Ernie (talk) 01:14, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

I concur, and have removed it. This is painting with a broad brush at its worst. The US flag also has the same colors and has white stars. - BilCat (talk) 22:29, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Probably right to edit, but the broad red field with a blue field and white stars - not to mention the blue stripe at the end divided from the red field by a thin white stripe - does seem to replicate design elements of the Confederate war flag, and not the US flag. What we need are contemporary discussions about the design and what it means. Any documented truth can then be put in the article. 2A00:23C7:E284:CF00:2956:8673:454C:742E (talk) 00:12, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

C’mon, guys. This flag is clearly a fantasia on the Confederate flag. Just like Arkansas. 213.205.240.35 (talk) 00:15, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

For what it's worth, Professor Steven Knowlton, a well-regarded vexillologist and historian at Princeton University ([1]) (and formerly with the University of Memphis in Tennessee ([2]) whose flag is at issue here), has written on the potential connection between the Tennessee flag and the Confederate battle flag. So it's not that this is a completely absurd contention or the result of someone's original research saying, "Hey, I see a resemblance."

I'm agnostic on whether it belongs in the article -- it could be seen as POV-pushing -- but there may be some merit to it. TJRC (talk) 01:33, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

That guy is not a well-regarded vexillogolist. He's a guy who made a statement that he thought the Tennessee state flag might be a nod to the Confederacy and then later said there's no actual evidentiary link between the Confederate flag and the Tennessee flag. He likes thinking about and making public statements on flags, that makes him a hobbyist, not a "well-regarded vexillogolist." Don't smear the state's flag because he wanted to invent a paper to write. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.216.87.162 (talk) 02:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

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Is this source good for the article ?

I think this link is a good "reliable source" but not sure if it is better than the one already in use or if it adds any valuable information for use in the article. https://sos.tn.gov/sites/default/files/Pgs.%20599-627%20TN%20Symbols.pdf 174.127.50.157 (talk) 12:09, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Confederate Symbolism in the Lead

Recently, mention of the flag's confederate symbolism was removed from the MOS:LEAD. It appears to be one of the most notable aspects of the flag and I do not see a good reason to exclude it from the most read part of the article. The confederate symbolism in the Flag of Mississippi was a subject of enormous controversy and widely covered by local and international media. There has been extensive coverage from media outlets on confederate symbolism in US State flags.

Wikipedia articles Flag of Georgia (U.S. state) and every article on List of U.S. Army installations named for Confederate soldiers note the confederate symbolism in the lead as well.

I propose that this section be re-added to the MOS:LEAD:

"Vexillologist Steven A Knowlton noted that "the Tennessee flag has pragmatic unity with the Confederate flag: both share the element of white stars inside a fimbriated blue charge, and the element of that blue charge on a red field." He also notes the resemblance between the Tennessee State Flag and the third national flag of the confederacy."

Desertambition (talk) 10:14, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

It's still in the article. To my knowledge, this connection is something that has only recently been commented on by observers. I could well be wrong, and there may be published history of such comments going back to the flag's origins. At this point, though, I don't see that it belongs in the lead. The Confederate connection is somewhat dubious, and the quote in the article only mentions a "pragmatic unity", and the resemblance to the Confederacy' third national flag in extremely thin. (We might as well site the US flag's "pragmatic unity" with the Confederate flag because both use the colors red, white, and blue, and have white stars!) BilCat (talk) 12:00, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I updated the citation the journal for Knowlton's observations. I also would ask how Knowlton's paper is "one of the most notable aspects" of the flag? How are you coming up with that? Fort Benning is named after a Confederate General. There's no symbolism there, it's a fact. The Flag of Georgia is a near replica of the stars and bars. There's no debate about the origin of the flag. Observations and speculation are worth mentioning in the article if they're properly sourced, but there would need to be more substantial to add it in the MOS:LEAD. Nemov (talk) 17:15, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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