Talk:Bruce Wayne (1989 film series character)

Birdman? Yes or no?

Hey *Treker, I have an idea: do you think it would be worth talking about the comparisons that arose in 2014 when Birdman came out? Would that be a good addition to the article in the Legacy section? - SeanTheYeti452

I absolutly think that's a good idea.★Trekker (talk) 11:59, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

The Schumacher Films

I know this is a controversial subject, but might it be beneficial to include Batman Forever and Batman & Robin? I know those are films are considered the low points of Batman films (and the superhero genre as a whole), but they are the same franchise and considered part of the "Burtonverse". This could expand the page and add details for plans for the unproduced Batman Unchained/Batman: DarKnight.

Also, just a small suggestion, why not rename the page to Batman (1989 film series character)? It's heavily implied in the films that Bruce is the mask and Batman is the actual personality, as opposed to the Nolan trilogy version. Dark knight 2013 (talk) 19:40, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

I agree. This article could be like "Bruce Banner (Marvel Cinematic Universe)". YgorD3 (talk) 11:13, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

^^ Okay. I'm changing my mind now. Keaton will reprise the role and they will ignore Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. YgorD3 (talk) 00:45, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree with the new @YgorD3:. Keaton will reprise his role. So, We Can Consider Batman Forever and Batman & Robin seperate films? What Do You Think, @Dark knight 2013:?--Sudipto Surjo (talk) 10:43, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Considering the character's upcoming appearance in The Flash and Batman '89 comic series, we could split the pages. However, we might need to mention that the two version "were" intended to be the same version. Alternatively, we could just keep them on the page in their relevant sections and mention that the films are just an non-canon/alternate universe appearance. Dark knight 2013 (talk) 11:47, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

@Dark knight 2013: I propose we split the pages into Bruce Wayne (Batman '89) and Bruce Wayne (Schumacher Series). And I Don't Think there's any problem that both "were" intended to be same.--Sudipto Surjo (talk) 10:48, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

The ending of the 2023 Flash straight up states that the Clooney Batman isn't the same as the Keaton Batman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.235.197.18 (talk) 03:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

"Bruce Wayne (Burtonverse)" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the redirect Bruce Wayne (Burtonverse) should be deleted, kept, or retargeted. It will be discussed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 March 25#Bruce Wayne (Burtonverse) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 16:34, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

"Batman (Burtonverse)" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the redirect Batman (Burtonverse) should be deleted, kept, or retargeted. It will be discussed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 March 25#Batman (Burtonverse) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 16:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Title of the page

Is "character" necessary in the title? I would suggest to move the page to Bruce Wayne (1989 film series), like Peter Parker (The Amazing Spider-Man film series) Redjedi23 (talk) 08:29, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 2 March 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved to the proposed title, no consensus to change to any other specific title (and there is sufficient support for the status quo to not force a WP:NOTCURRENTITLE close. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:15, 23 March 2024 (UTC) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:15, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

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Bruce Wayne (1989 film series character) → Bruce Wayne (1989 film series) – Per WP:CONSISTENCY with Peter Parker (The Amazing Spider-Man film series). I know that there is also Superman (1978 film series character), but I think that this case is much more similar to the first one: "Superman" is an ambiguous name due to the fact that it could be both the name of the character and of the film series Redjedi23 (talk) 10:09, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Another idea could be to be consistent with Superman (1978 film series character) and change the title to Batman (1989 film series character). It depends if you prefer the civil name or the superhero alias. Redjedi23 (talk) 12:35, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: By Wikipedia's naming standards, the main request makes it sound like there was a series of films with the general title Bruce Wayne that was released in 1989. I think we need the "character" part appended. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:43, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

  Uhm, you're right. Effectively, for TASM it makes sense to not have "character" in the title because it is already stated the film series name, while in this case we only have the year in which the film series started.

  What do you think about the move to Batman (1989 film series character)? Looking at the sources in the page I think that this is the most used name to define the character. Redjedi23 (talk) 15:47, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

  I'm fine with that move. I think TASM needs "character" too but recognize that makes it very bloated in parenthetical disambiguation. It's a weird reflection of how limited language can be to pinpoint one topic of many similar ones under a particular scope (in this case, Spider-Man). We have multiple Peter Parkers, we have multiple film series, we have multiple meanings of TASM. Phew! Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 16:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose proposed title, but no objection to Bruce Wayne (Batman 1989 film series), in line with Batman (1989 film series). 162 etc. (talk) 17:48, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Bruce Wayne (1989 film series) as too ambiguous, and I would argue that ought to be redirected to this article or made into a DAB page instead of being a primary article title. Support Batman (1989 film series character) as more natural search term than tying to shoehorn both "Bruce Wayne" and "Batman" in the title. I don't think these character articles should be avoiding the mention of "character" in a case like this where the "1989 film series" DAB can refer to either the character of the films themselves, and the character is more commonly known as "Batman" in association with this film series. TASM example is not the best here to support consistency as it does not use years in the DAB, though the Superman example is what we should follow. Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:29, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose although disambiguation in the form of Foo (bar) does not necessarily imply foo is a type of bar, this scenario is far too ambiguous given (film series) is widely used to disambiguate film series. Disambiguating by director or actor is also not possible, so this is our only option. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
• No opinion, but if the parenthetical changes, it should be to Bruce Wayne (1989 Batman film series) rather than Bruce Wayne (Batman 1989 film series), otherwise it sounds like "Batman 1989" is the name of the originating film. BD2412 T 23:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose but definitely move somewhere. Article title is misleading as it stands, as there is no 1989 film series called "Bruce Wayne". "Batman" needs to be included somewhere in the article title, but no strong preference as to which option. --woodensuperman 09:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

  The current title is not misleading. It says 1989 film series character, emphasis added. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:11, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

  Yes it is misleading, as it doesn't say which film series. Could be a 1989 series of anything. It needs to explicitly mention Batman. Superman (1978 film series character) makes sense as the film series and the character share the name. --woodensuperman 11:38, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose and keep as is. As noted above, character is needed to clarify that this isn't a film series in itself. I don't see a pressing need to add any reference to Batman though.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.