Talk:Amulet

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This whole thing was done wholly in run-on text. I formatted it and added a fair number of links. It reads fairly well when done; given that it seems to be a cut and paste job, I am wondering if it is wholly original? --- IHCOYC 18:56 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)

The text in the "Amulets and talismans in folklore" section appears to be very similar to that on the web site [1]. However, the original Wiki article (June 2003) contains text that is not in the web article ("The opposite to an amulet is a jinx"), so maybe the web article was copied from the Wiki one (sometime after Dec 2004)? - MightyWarrior 15:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

What is a Talisman?

Is a Talisman simply a synonym for an amulet? --Gil 05:52, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

As far as I know, the difference between a talisman and a amulet is that a amulet is passively used (for example providing protection) and a talisman has powers that can be actived when you need them and so is actively used. -- 84.138.135.217 04:25, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I've always imagined an amulet as something that is worn and a talisman as something that is carried; which, in my mind, matches with what is said in the above comment. Does somebody have a comment on this? -- 19 April 2007

Technically, an amulet is something that wards of evil (passive, protective charm) whereas a talisman grants some form of occult / preternatural power (active). So the first comment is correct. Unfortunately, not only does the Wiki article not mention this distinction, it uses the terms interchangeably, sometimes even switching between them in the same sentence.24.190.34.219 (talk) 05:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Amulet and talisman are both interchangeable words. An amulets is an object that is generally worn for protection and most often made from durable material such as metal or a hard-stone. Amulets can also be applied to paper example, although talisman is often used to describe these less robust and usually individualized forms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.6.244.151 (talk) 22:50, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Whoops

yeah, yeah, I'm the ass who added all the extra information on talismans and put in the box since he doesn't know what he is doing and pressed the save instead of the preview on acident then found he was being told that he was spamming for trying to deleate it and doesn't know how to edit it to take it out of the little box. Hey, I understand talismans, computers are not my expertise. At any rate, the information is good and I will add some links on hermetic/ceremonial talismans when i figure this out. Many thanks for tolerating me. Jaynus _Izanagi 09:17, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

No worry. FWIW, I moved the bit about hermetic talismans from the bottom of the page, and put it under a subheading; while I was at it, I also created a subheading for the material already here. Study the "source code" of the pages, and you will learn the different tricks and incantations used to make them. This article probably does need some help, and references for the various bits of folklore. AAR, you done good. Computers are like amulets and talismans, in that they operate by magic, and are likely to go awry for occult reasons beyond mortal ken. -- Smerdis of Tlön 13:37, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Wrong name: That amulet in the photo is actually Tawaret (Evil taxidermied sloth (talk) 10:30, 26 October 2009 (UTC))

The breakdown

I added some some different categories of talismans used by ancient & Medieval Jews, Christians, and Arabs. Any advice/ comments? -paulHX400W —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PaulHX400W (talk • contribs) 06:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

Healing Power of Gem Stones

There seems to be a whole industry of selling gem stones that have "healing powers". I wonder where these ideas come from. This article was the closest I found in Wikipedia, but it doesn't quite address the issue. 85.216.22.105 19:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Palestine and Syria

Acording to the printed book and the Website of Magnes Press this ISBN 965-223-841-6 is correct. Why does Parameter error in : Invalid ISBN. show up??

Talismans in the Abrahamic religions

Since the section "Amulets and talismans in folklore" is awfully long and unstructured, I created this section and moved everything relevant to it there. Most of it is about Jewish tradition, but it is in part too mixed up with the other religions for a separate section.—Graf Bobby 18:33, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Baha'i section

The Baha'i section seems out of place here. It seems to be taken out of context and it's presence on a page like this seems to be more polemic than educational. The important information is already mentioned in Baha'i symbols. I'm going to remove it, and if anybody is interested I can show some references that contradict what's in the section. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 13:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Jew/Buddhist

The sentence "The similarities between Jewish and Buddhist amulet traditions is striking.", under the section "Talismans in the Abrahamic religions", seems uninformative and superfluous. I propose elaboration or removal (I would like to see examples to this fact), but will leave the actual editing to those better suited than me. Bruno Rosenlund (talk) 21:57, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Separation

This article seems too lumped together and it may make sense to separate Jewish from Christian amulets etc. so each section can be expanded further. Unless there are objections, I will do that little by little. History2007 (talk) 11:56, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I would also like to point out that there is a technical difference between an amulet and a talisman in magical literature and philosophy. The article makes no real effort to define this difference and uses the two terms interchangeably (sometimes even in the same sentence). This needs to be addressed. Also, the article should be renamed to reflect it's inclusion of both amulets and talismans.24.190.34.219 (talk) 05:56, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

There is a difference between an amulet and a talisman

In magical literature and philosophy there is a difference between an amulet and a talisman. The article makes no effort to define this difference and uses the two terms interchangeably (sometimes in the same sentence). This needs to be addressed. (The article's title should also reflect the inclusion of both amulets and talismans).24.190.34.219 (talk) 05:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

• I agree with you. Talismans don't even belong in this article. Amulets are religious or quasi-religious articles. Talismans are no better than a rabbit's foot. Talismans and amulets are not on the same footing. This article should be limited to amulets. PraeceptorIP (talk) 02:37, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Please provide a reference that states this. Also the article makes a clear distinction between the two. - - MrBill3 (talk) 03:23, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Amulets in Judaism

The inclusion of the tallis in an article on amulets seems to me to be a mistake. You do not wear a tallis like an amulet. First of all, you don't wear it all the time as you do an amulet. Second, it is not worn to avert evil or bring good luck. It is just something you wear when praying. A yarmulke is not an amulet, but its use is much like that of a tallis. They are in a different category, as are tfillim (my transliteration based on my dialect).

Because the tallis is misplaced here, I would delete the paragraph discussing it. But I do not want to act unilaterally without allowing others to comment. Please comment, therefore, if you have any opinion. I think the hand, mezuzah, and silver scroll are all better examples and sufficient to illustrate the point. If additional examples are needed, the Star of David (Solomon's Seal) could be added.

PraeceptorIP (talk) 02:31, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

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