Talk:Adolf Hitler
Latest comment: 6 days ago by Slatersteven in topic Mass murderer category
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 October 2024
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I believe that the Category:Historical figures with ambiguous or disputed sexuality should be added to this article. I also added it to Sexuality of Adolf Hitler. Rylee Amelia (talk) 09:12, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Not done: The edit request template is not for starting a discussion on whether to add that category; that canmust be done without the template. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 15:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)- Alright, I'll keep that in mind next time I'm suggesting an edit on a protected article. This reply doesn't clarify whether or not the category should be added to this article. Do you believe there is enough historical debate to warrant this inclusion? Rylee Amelia (talk) 16:57, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Given the removal of (Category:Artists who died by suicide) and (Category:Austrian male painters), I don’t find a crucial need for (Historical figures with ambiguous or disputed sexuality). 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 19:12, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- We usually define an artist/painter/actor/writer etc as someone who has actually done these activities professionally. Hitler didn't at any point, therefore he is "not meaningfully an artist or painter". It is probably true that Churchill sold more paintings than AH, but we don't list him as an artist or painter since it was never a profession. That AH aspired to being a painter is probably one of the best known factoids about him.
- I'm neutral about the "ambiguous" sexuality category, on the one hand there has been much speculation, on the other most historians simply think he was 'straight' albeit possessive etc.. Pincrete (talk) 15:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Aren't you the one who made the edit request? Generally one would expect you to have sources that substantiate it, instead of expecting others to make your case for you. Remsense ‥ 论 19:21, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Given the removal of (Category:Artists who died by suicide) and (Category:Austrian male painters), I don’t find a crucial need for (Historical figures with ambiguous or disputed sexuality). 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 19:12, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, I'll keep that in mind next time I'm suggesting an edit on a protected article. This reply doesn't clarify whether or not the category should be added to this article. Do you believe there is enough historical debate to warrant this inclusion? Rylee Amelia (talk) 16:57, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 November 2024
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Benjaminmidhawl (talk) 06:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. OXYLYPSE (talk) 07:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Mass murderer category
editShould we add categories of German or Austrian mass murderers for Hitler? This is a very heated topic but is it necessary here or is that reserved for those who were directly in charge of concentration camps? 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:BC5E:E0AD:C8F9:553 (talk) 15:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- I would say not, as (technically) he did not personally kill anyone. It will just ass slowness and words without any real benefit. Slatersteven (talk) 15:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- No, while he caused mass death, he left the dirty work to others. There are lots of people who did that, we don't call them "mass murderers" either. Acroterion (talk) 15:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- And I bring this up because other dictators who have been accused of mass murder have this category on their articles. 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:BC5E:E0AD:C8F9:553 (talk) 15:56, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Such as? Acroterion (talk) 15:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Bashar Al Assad, Saddam Hussein, Fulgenico Batista, etc. I also added to their talk pages if you’d like to contribute there. 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:BC5E:E0AD:C8F9:553 (talk) 16:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe, but you need a better argument than other stuff, as I can also find examples where we do not. Slatersteven (talk) 16:01, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- What constitutes adding that category? Why don’t we add it towards mobsters who ARE known to have murdered people in mass? 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:BC5E:E0AD:C8F9:553 (talk) 16:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- I also added to talk pages of several dictators accused of mass murder that don’t have the category as of yet. 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:BC5E:E0AD:C8F9:553 (talk) 16:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well lets see, because some people actually take part in the killings, they do not just order them. Some people give direct orders as to who to kill, others give a direct order to kill. Different people have different histories. Slatersteven (talk) 16:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe, but you need a better argument than other stuff, as I can also find examples where we do not. Slatersteven (talk) 16:01, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Bashar Al Assad, Saddam Hussein, Fulgenico Batista, etc. I also added to their talk pages if you’d like to contribute there. 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:BC5E:E0AD:C8F9:553 (talk) 16:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)