Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard/Archive 6: Difference between revisions

:It is removing the tag because you're putting it above a section with a datestamp from July. If you want to initiate an RFC, please initiate a new section with a current datestamp and clear statement that describes the dispute and what needs commenting on. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 12:41, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

*Like ENGVAR without STRONGNAT, they should be left alone as they were entered by human editors. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 18:57, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

*FYI as noted in the header, this has now moved on [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Please block Rich Farmbrough - thousands of unnecessary capitalization changes|to ANI]]. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 13:38, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

:<s>The most recent SmackBot edits have been without the problems identified;</s> if they do to start to implement the disputed changes, it should be blocked as well. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 13:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

::Struck, as I didn't notice [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Annite&diff=prev&oldid=387703963], which you pointed out at ANI changed the caps of the stub template. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 13:59, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Comments are invited at [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Block_review:_User:Magioladitis]] regarding a similar issue to the above. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 18:00, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

:It seems to me the output generated for CCI reports would be well-adapted to this task. See [[Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20101001|here]] for example. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 22:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello! I invite you to comment on my BAG (Bot Approvals Group) nomination: [[Wikipedia:Bot Approvals Group/nominations/H3llkn0wz]]. Thank you. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 11:19, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

*Misza's got a very popular set of archiving bots; there's really only a few "real" issues that are related to the lack of ongoing maintenance of the bot (most notably, handling of blacklisted urls which results in a less-than-graceful failure to archive). And Kslotte is right in that there's a good number of helpful [[WP:TPS|talk page stalkers]] that respond on Misza's behalf for the rest of the stuff (which is usually attributable to user error). –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 23:35, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

:17 epm or 4 seconds per page usually cannot receive enough human attention. However, this would not necessarily imply the edits fall under a bot task, as the edits may actually require human supervision. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 10:23, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

:::I was saying that someone editing at 1000 eph cannot give due diligence to the edits they make, therefore such editing is ''most likely'' semi-automated. Even with a bot flag and the editing designated as a manual task, this would exceed human capability. A bot flag by itself would not ''solve'' that issue. In reality, any 1000 eph task ''would'' need a bot flag (as pointed out below), because such editing would clearly be a semi-automated/automated task. What I was implying is that merely having high edit rate does not warrant a bot flag. Approved tasks do. High edit rate warrants a question if the edits are instead semi-automated, for which a bot account is required. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 16:27, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

:::Yes, 1000 edits per hour should run on a bot account with the bot flag to reduce impact to other editors. Should also be approved and have the consensus of the WikiProjects that are being acted upon, I see numerous complains from various WikiProjects at Koavf's talk page. There are [[:Category:WikiProject tagging bots|dedicated WikiProject tagging bots available]], if a project wanted a bot to tag for their project, they could surely engage one (perhaps one that would also [[:Category:Autoassessment bots|auto-assess]] and save, rather than make, work). –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 14:44, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

*I've disabled Koavf's access to AWB pending a satisfactory explanation of the above and a resolution of the errors that have been pointed out. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 14:00, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

::The bot is not using standard interwiki settings, they have cosmetic changes enabled. [[User talk:Δ|ΔT _{^{<font colorstyle="color:darkred;">The only constant</font>}}]] 13:40, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

:Its moving interwiki links around the page, moving it below stub templates, which goes against the current standard. Interwiki bots should not use that feature. [[User talk:Δ|ΔT _{^{<font colorstyle="color:darkred;">The only constant</font>}}]] 13:50, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

::Its there because it was originally a use for this, it just has not really been maintained due to different projects changing their formatting. I would like to see the results of their version.py results. I doubt that they are updating their pywikipedia framework regularly. [[User talk:Δ|ΔT _{^{<font colorstyle="color:darkred;">The only constant</font>}}]] 14:02, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

::::Its not a problem with pywiki, I know it very very well. Can you run version.py in your pywiki folder and post the results? [[User talk:Δ|ΔT _{^{<font colorstyle="color:darkred;">The only constant</font>}}]] 14:05, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

:What setting do you have for cosmetic_changes in your user-config? [[User talk:Δ|ΔT _{^{<font colorstyle="color:darkred;">The only constant</font>}}]] 14:14, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

::::::Not ''try'', but ''do''. Per BOTPOL, it is the bot operator's responsibility to correct any bad edits by the bot. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 08:45, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Automate stock information through RSS feeds]] - I have proposed using a bot (or bots) to automate stock information through RSS feeds, specifically in company infoboxes. This is not a bot request, I just thought that bot owners might have something of value to add to the discussion, as it could eventually lead to a bot request. Thanks! ▫ '''[[User:JohnnyMrNinja|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#202040;">Johnny</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#204040;">Mr</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#206040;">Nin</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#204040;">ja</fontspan>]]''' 07:57, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I just found this bot editing articles on my watchlist to add commons category boxes per [[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/FrescoBot 6]]. Those boxes aren't always placed in articles on purpose based on the editorial decisions of the articles' editors. One good reason: all of the photos in the category are already in the article. Why entice a reader with the promise of more content, and then show them everything that they've seen in the article? Just something to consider since I've had to remove the box from 13 articles. The two articles where it was left in place each had one additional photo in the category. I'm waiting for the bot to hit the end of the alphabet, but I expect more edits to undo yet. Just some food for thought. <span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;" >'''[[User:Imzadi1979|<fontspan colorstyle="color:white;">Imzadi&nbsp;1979</fontspan>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Imzadi1979|<fontspan colorstyle="color:white;"><big>→</big></fontspan>]]'''</span> 09:26, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

::Many times they weren't put there on purpose originally, and now a bot is adding them. If the category box adds nothing to the article, it is pointless to leave it in place. Such an action should have been announced at a wider venue for input than a bot request. Besides, in some topic areas, there's no guarantee of additional content. [[M-554 (Michigan highway)]] was only {{convert|0.7|mi}} in length before it was decommissioned in 2005. What's the use in plopping a category for one photo that's in the article now? (The category has been emptied and tagged for deletion, btw.) <span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;" >'''[[User:Imzadi1979|<fontspan colorstyle="color:white;">Imzadi&nbsp;1979</fontspan>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Imzadi1979|<fontspan colorstyle="color:white;"><big>→</big></fontspan>]]'''</span> 10:28, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

::Perhaps, the bot can only add the commons box if Commons contains images that are not found in the article? That would make perfect sense. Otherwise I have to agree that linking to the same images that the article already contains is misleading, even if the box's wording implies there may not be any. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 10:33, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

:::And if that's the case, at a future date, if there are 10 photos in the category, but only 3 in the article, the bot will add the box. The article's editors will be alerted to the additional photos by the addition of the box and then they can look through the category for better content to swap in and out of the article. Sounds like a win-win to me. <span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;" >'''[[User:Imzadi1979|<fontspan colorstyle="color:white;">Imzadi&nbsp;1979</fontspan>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Imzadi1979|<fontspan colorstyle="color:white;"><big>→</big></fontspan>]]'''</span> 10:42, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

:This should be fixed now [http://da.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lad,_A_Dog&diff=prev&oldid=4799699]. The reason was "Lad: A Dog", when surrounded by square brackets will lead you to the article "A Dog" at the lad.wiki. As such, when an sv.wiki user created the article at sv. containing such a link [http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leslie_H._Martinson&oldid=13538233], the bots did their thing and spread the false-positive interwiki link. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 15:40, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

:Should be fairly trivial to code. [[User talk:Δ|ΔT _{^{<font colorstyle="color:darkred;">The only constant</font>}}]] 13:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

::::It may be worthwhile to transplant this thread to [[Wikipedia:Bot requests]]. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 14:06, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

:I do not see approval for this task at all. [[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Archive_4#User:RebelRobot]] is the only approval and that's for interwikis. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 11:42, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

:::The bot was already temporarily blocked and operator notified of necessity for consensus and BRFA. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 18:41, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

: 6k is a lot. As anomie already says, bot tasks are not measured relative to total number of articles but in absolute. [[WP:BOTPOL]] does not mention anything about it being OK for bots to do the same tasks as already approved for some other bot. Which means you need to follow the same [[WP:BRFA]] practice as other bots. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 16:25, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

:::An admin may stop any bot from running if it breaks policy, consensus, or goes rogue. I don't find that fact to be any more relevant in this particular case though. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 23:07, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=categorymembers&cmdir=desc&cmtitle=Category:Wikipedia%20good%20articles&cmlimit=max&cmcontinue=3113811] here it is listed. Not a bug with API as far as I can tell. What query are you using? —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 21:21, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

:::Oh, OK, weird. I guess it's a bug then. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 21:34, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

:Thanks for heads-up! Although, as you say, personally I did not rely on this. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 11:55, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

:There is a line ''"The account's name should identify the operator or bot function"'' in the [[WP:BOTPOL]], but afaik no one bothers to enforce or check this. As long as it has "Bot" in the name. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 11:57, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Tim1357 (who's been gone for a few weeks) programed DASHBot to automaticly resize fair use images placed in [[:Category:Non-free Wikipedia file size reduction request]]. DASHBot has been running it's other tasks, but not this one. This means one of two things, a) the bot isn't working properly, or b) that function was turned off and either no one was told or it was announced somewhere I didn't see it. Please keep me in the loop. If he can be contacted to fix it, that would be preferable to me doing it manually. If someone else can fix it, I suppose that would be a good secondary option (but I'd rather not piss Tim off by treading on his toes.) If neither of those pan out, a new bot would be... nice. [[User:Sven Manguard|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#207004;"><big>'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><fontspan colorstyle="color:#F0A804;">'''Wha?'''</fontspan></small>]] 06:56, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Can somebody take a look at the thread at [[User talk:Wikitanvir#nobots]]. It has been an uphill struggle to get even a grudging partial acceptance of responsibility for WikitanvirBot's edits. I am still not convinced the user is on-message about this. I think someone from BAG should have a word. [[User:Spinningspark|'''<fontspan style="background:#FFF090;color:#00C000">'''Sp<fontspan style="background:#FFF0A0;color:#80C000">in<fontspan style="color:#C08000">ni</fontspan></fontspan><fontspan style="color:#C00000">ng</fontspan></fontspan><fontspan style="color:#2820F0">Spark'''</fontspan>''']] 19:35, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

:Im former BAG and I just left him a nice trouting. [[User talk:Δ|ΔT _{^{<font colorstyle="color:darkred;">The only constant</font>}}]] 21:19, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

::Thanks for that. Hopefully he will start to listen now. [[User:Spinningspark|'''<fontspan style="background:#FFF090;color:#00C000">'''Sp<fontspan style="background:#FFF0A0;color:#80C000">in<fontspan style="color:#C08000">ni</fontspan></fontspan><fontspan style="color:#C00000">ng</fontspan></fontspan><fontspan style="color:#2820F0">Spark'''</fontspan>''']] 21:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

So Cluebot NG has been down for over a week, the old Cluebot has been down for months, and there are hours where no one is on Huggle. This is very bad. What can be done in the mean time? Can old Cluebot be brought back online while new Cluebot is getting... (whatever reason it's not online) rectified? [[User:Sven Manguard|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#207004;"><big>'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><fontspan colorstyle="color:#F0A804;">'''Wha?'''</fontspan></small>]] 04:25, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

::There are periods when no one is on the automated tools watching. After about midnight Eastern Standard I see a huge drop-off. The East Coast people are going to sleep, the Brits haven't woken up, and I donno about the Aussies, I guess they don't Huggle. That's when ClueBot being down hurts, when no one else is there. [[User:Sven Manguard|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#207004;"><big>'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><fontspan colorstyle="color:#F0A804;">'''Wha?'''</fontspan></small>]] 22:01, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

::::Visually, the article was in a better situation. However, while markup->html parser handles heading hierarchy errors gracefully, the problem would have been apparent to anyone with a screen-reader and it would have skipped right to "1924 split" as first <nowiki><h2></nowiki> header. Visual style should not override accessibility. In the end, the bot brought up the issue and it has now been fixed to accommodate both regular and tool-assisted users. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 08:29, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

::::::When a screen-reader reads a web-page, it goes through the heading in their hierarchical order (<nowiki>first article title <h1>, then ==second level== <h2>, ===third level=== <h3>, etc.</nowiki>) If the heading are out-of-order on the page, then the screen-reader will also read and process them out-of-order. There is no way for the person to know what is the actual "visual" layout on the page. Here's a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmUPhEVWu_E YouTube video] linked on the bot's BRFA that explains this quite well. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 09:56, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

:::::Just my two cents, all the bot did was hightlight an existing screwup (which I do not understand how it worked in the first place). the page was messed up both before and after the bot edited due to no fault of the bot, but rather humans. Instead of complaining about the bot try to ensure that the pages you work on do not end up that messed up in the first place. [[User talk:Δ|ΔT _{^{<font colorstyle="color:darkred;">The only constant</font>}}]] 19:47, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

:Merging duplicate refs is standard practice. Also my name is not Betacommand, I am not a bot which is why you had difficultly locating my old nick. Merging dupe refs makes reading the article a lot easier so that the ref section is not just 100+ items for 12 actual references. (I have seen similar things happen) [[User talk:Δ|ΔT _{^{<font colorstyle="color:darkred;">The only constant</font>}}]] 11:51, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

There is a discussion at VP: [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Bot_to_reduce_duplicate_references]]. While there is strong support towards merging dupe refs for articles that already use named refs, there are a few opinions the other way for general cases. There is a BRFA ([[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Snotbot_4]]) in progress. Admittedly, this is being done by at least several tools/bots already as "uncontroversial". —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 12:06, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

:(ec) I agree with the sentiment of this complaint, that established referencing systems should not be messed with, although on this particular point I have long since conformed to the style because it's too troublesome to fight. Yes, there is a bot that will fix orphaned references but this still does not detract from the inconvenience the editor is being put to. Unless there is something in the guidelines that prohibits duplicate references then I would support reversion in these cases. It is one thing for an editor working on an article to change the reference style prior to an expansion to something they are more comfortable with (although even that is against guidelines), it is quite another for someone else, bot or human, to turn up at the article and obstruct the editors actually doing the work by forcing them to work with an unfamiliar system. As an aside, an often overlooked advantage of duplicate references is that they keep refs in numerical order making them easier to find manually. Also, personally, I try not to combine references while I am actually constructing an article because it often happens that a particular passage requires additional pages or authors added as the work progresses and uncombining is a real pain to do in a long article. [[User:Spinningspark|'''<fontspan style="background:#FFF090;color:#00C000">'''Sp<fontspan style="background:#FFF0A0;color:#80C000">in<fontspan style="color:#C08000">ni</fontspan></fontspan><fontspan style="color:#C00000">ng</fontspan></fontspan><fontspan style="color:#2820F0">Spark'''</fontspan>''']] 13:02, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

::This can ''also'' be done with a Database report. It's running now and the 200 mostly linked, non-existant articles (from the article space) will be saved [http://toolserver.org/~tim1357/Static/Reports/desired here]. The report should be done in a matter of hours. [[User:Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Blue"color:blue; face="font-family:Arial;" >Tim</span>]]<[[Special:Contributions/font>Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Red"color:red; face="font-family:Optima;" >1357</span>]] [[SpecialUser talk:Contributions/Tim1357|1357]]</font> ^{<font facestyle="font-family:Times new roman"; font-size = 2 :small;">[[User talk:Tim1357|talk]]</font>}]] 22:10, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

:::{{Done}} (See a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tim1357/test&oldid=424953456 formatted version]) [[User:Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Blue"color:blue; face="font-family:Arial;" >Tim</span>]]<[[Special:Contributions/font>Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Red"color:red; face="font-family:Optima;" >1357</span>]] [[SpecialUser talk:Contributions/Tim1357|1357]]</font> ^{<font facestyle="font-family:Times new roman"; font-size = 2 :small;">[[User talk:Tim1357|talk]]</font>}]] 01:25, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

:Users may create drafts in userspace, even many, if their purpose is to improve Wikipedia. If these articles need to be manually reviewed before moving to mainspace, then bot-creating them en masse is how it's often done. After all, we are not paper enc. Of course if there are very many or their notability is disputed, this should have been discussed first. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 16:44, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

:He doesn't seem to be doing anything terribly fishy. Just strange. Still, communication would be nice, so I've left him a message on his talk page. Cheers. [[User:Lifebaka|<fonti colorstyle="color:green;">[[User:Lifebaka|''lifebaka'']]</fonti>]][[User talk:Lifebaka|'''++''']] 18:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

:::What I sometimes do for this kind of task is to edit a use subpage and then transclude the page to [[WP:STiki/Dead_Links]] with a template. [[User:Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Blue"color:blue; face="font-family:Arial;" >Tim</span>]]<[[Special:Contributions/font>Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Red"color:red; face="font-family:Optima;" >1357</span>]] [[SpecialUser talk:Contributions/Tim1357|1357]]</font> ^{<font facestyle="font-family:Times new roman"; font-size = 2 :small;">[[User talk:Tim1357|talk]]</font>}]] 04:09, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

::::Otherwise I'd speedy-approve it for you. [[User:Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Blue"color:blue; face="font-family:Arial;" >Tim</span>]]<[[Special:Contributions/font>Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Red"color:red; face="font-family:Optima;" >1357</span>]] [[SpecialUser talk:Contributions/Tim1357|1357]]</font> ^{<font facestyle="font-family:Times new roman"; font-size = 2 :small;">[[User talk:Tim1357|talk]]</font>}]] 04:13, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

* I donno about policy, but I think that whenever possible, avoiding the &random-letter-random-number-soup stuff is actually best. I'd put it in Greek, with a <nowiki><!--This formula uses Greek characters.--> or <!--This formula uses Greek characters, do not insert English characters into the formula.--></nowiki> next to it. [[User:Sven Manguard|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#207004;"><big>'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><fontspan colorstyle="color:#F0A804;">'''Wha?'''</fontspan></small>]] 16:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Any botops have room for one more? [[User:HBC Archive Indexerbot|HBC Archive Indexerbot]] is broke because its server has died. Krellis is offering it to whomever would like to give it a new home [[User_talk:Krellis#HBC_Indexerbot_is_broken.3F|here]].<br/><span style="text-shadow:#294 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; class=texhtml">[[User:Berean Hunter|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:High Tower Text"; font-size="2px:small;"><b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b></fontspan>]] ([[User talk:Berean Hunter|<b style="color:#00C">(⊕)</b>]])</span> 02:13, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

:Krellis has it running again...he's keeping it. :)<br/><span style="text-shadow:#294 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; class=texhtml">[[User:Berean Hunter|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:High Tower Text"; font-size="2px:small;"><b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b></fontspan>]] ([[User talk:Berean Hunter|<b style="color:#00C">(⊕)</b>]])</span> 21:14, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

:I don't think a new BRFA would be needed, especially as this is an opt-in change for an already opt-in bot. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 19:15, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

:Hi, I was thinking about a bot that reports pages for protection, much like one reports pages at [[WP:AIV]] and [[WP:UAA]]. I would support a bot that adds pages to [[WP:RFPP]], but I would not support a bot that automatically protects the page, pages still need to be checked manually by a human admin, initially at least as "vandalism" in a bot's eyes could be false positives. [[User:Thehelpfulone|<fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">'''The'''</fontspan>]][[User_talk:Thehelpfulone|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;"> '''Helpful'''</fontspan>]][[Special:Contributions/Thehelpfulone|<fontspan colorstyle="color:red;"> '''One'''</fontspan>]] 15:51, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

::The bot wouldn't necessarily need to ''detect'' vandalism, only find edit summaries that identify the reverted edits as vandalism several times (huggle messages, twinkle messages, cluebot message, common expressions like "rvv", "revert vand", etc.). In addition checking only non-anon, autoconfirmed editors would give almost no false positives (and a quick BRFA ;)). You could also ping ClueBot operators to see if they would be interested in doing this. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 16:11, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

:::If everyone is OK with it, I can poke Cobi to try and add this in to ClueBot NG - <ttspan style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">[[User:methecooldude|Rich<span style="color:Red;">(MTCD)</span>]]</ttspan>^{[[User talk:methecooldude|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Methecooldude|C]]|[[Special:EmailUser/methecooldude|E-Mail]]} 13:28, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I can keep that category trimmed, but it sucks up lots and lots of time. I'd like for either DASHBot to be brought back up, or some other solution to be found. Please? [[User:Sven Manguard|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#207004;"><big>'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><fontspan colorstyle="color:#F0A804;">'''Wha?'''</fontspan></small>]] 07:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

:Procedural: [[user talk:Tim1357|Tim1357]], the bot's owner, was notified. [[User:Sven Manguard|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#207004;"><big>'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><fontspan colorstyle="color:#F0A804;">'''Wha?'''</fontspan></small>]] 19:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

::The stupid [[crontab]] is being stupid. I'm trying to figure out why it keeps giving up. Gimme a minute. [[User:Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Blue"color:blue; face="font-family:Arial;" >Tim</span>]]<[[Special:Contributions/font>Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Red"color:red; face="font-family:Optima;" >1357</span>]] [[SpecialUser talk:Contributions/Tim1357|1357]]</font> ^{<font facestyle="font-family:Times new roman"; font-size = 2 :small;">[[User talk:Tim1357|talk]]</font>}]] 23:55, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

:::Could [[nice_(Unix)|nice]] be killing it? [[User:Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Blue"color:blue; face="font-family:Arial;" >Tim</span>]]<[[Special:Contributions/font>Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Red"color:red; face="font-family:Optima;" >1357</span>]] [[SpecialUser talk:Contributions/Tim1357|1357]]</font> ^{<font facestyle="font-family:Times new roman"; font-size = 2 :small;">[[User talk:Tim1357|talk]]</font>}]] 23:55, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

::Aannyways I started it again manually and changed the crontab so that it no longer uses "nice" and runs at a different time so that the server isn't so loaded. [[User:Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Blue"color:blue; face="font-family:Arial;" >Tim</span>]]<[[Special:Contributions/font>Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Red"color:red; face="font-family:Optima;" >1357</span>]] [[SpecialUser talk:Contributions/Tim1357|1357]]</font> ^{<font facestyle="font-family:Times new roman"; font-size = 2 :small;">[[User talk:Tim1357|talk]]</font>}]] 00:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

:::Thanks, saw it run. Will it run every day again? Also, if you're looking for a slow time, it's about three hours and 20 minutes from this timestamp ( 03:38, 9 July 2011 (UTC) ). Too early for the Brits to be editing, after midnight for the US West Coast, after 3AM for the US East Coast. IRC channels for Wikipedia, at least, go dead around then. [[User:Sven Manguard|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#207004;"><big>'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><fontspan colorstyle="color:#F0A804;">'''Wha?'''</fontspan></small>]] 03:38, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

:Yep, it looks like it ran on its own today [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&dir=prev&offset=20110709003656&limit=2&user=DASHBot&month=&year=] so I think it should work from now on. Just for the record, I was worrying about the [[WP:TOOLSERVER|toolserver]] (where DASHBot is hosted) being overloaded, not the wikipedia server. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. {{=)}} [[User:Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Blue"color:blue; face="font-family:Arial;" >Tim</span>]]<[[Special:Contributions/font>Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Red"color:red; face="font-family:Optima;" >1357</span>]] [[SpecialUser talk:Contributions/Tim1357|1357]]</font> ^{<font facestyle="font-family:Times new roman"; font-size = 2 :small;">[[User talk:Tim1357|talk]]</font>}]] 03:02, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

::No problem. If the bot ever croaks, ''I'' get stuck with doing the resizing manually, so I check up on it from time to time. [[User:Sven Manguard|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#207004;"><big>'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><fontspan colorstyle="color:#F0A804;">'''Wha?'''</fontspan></small>]] 08:18, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

::Jarry: I haven't gotten any emails saying that it was killed because it was using too many resources so I have no idea what was up. [[User:Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Blue"color:blue; face="font-family:Arial;" >Tim</span>]]<[[Special:Contributions/font>Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Red"color:red; face="font-family:Optima;" >1357</span>]] [[SpecialUser talk:Contributions/Tim1357|1357]]</font> ^{<font facestyle="font-family:Times new roman"; font-size = 2 :small;">[[User talk:Tim1357|talk]]</font>}]] 03:40, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

::It can't tackle sound or video files. A dozen of those have been in the category for over a month, and the video has been there as long as I've been checking that category, so going on a year. It does, however, get all the images. [[User:Sven Manguard|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#207004;"><big>'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><fontspan colorstyle="color:#F0A804;">'''Wha?'''</fontspan></small>]] 01:13, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

{{resolved|1=Flag granted to bot clone. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 13:19, 12 July 2011 (UTC)}}

:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=&user=Xeno&page=User:Helpful+Pixie+Bot All set]. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 13:19, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

:::Sure; as soon as Rich confirms that it is standing down. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 13:25, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

::::Could you explain? –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 15:06, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

::::::Perhaps you have not been keeping up-to-date on [[WP:INACTIVITY|recent events?]] –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 19:12, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

::Not impossible, but would require developer intervention (and they might say no =). –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 15:06, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

:::Indeed, I've only just recently deflagged some bots that hadn't edited since ''2007''. Since there's clearly no rush, we can explore potential problems that would crop up by de-flagging SmackBot before it's done. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 19:12, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

::::Seems there is already a (quasi-)central list for this purpose: [[Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits/Unflagged bots]]. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 17:24, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

*Since the account wasn't/isn't editing, this is all rather academic. However, my thoughts are that an account with 'bot' in the username should only be doing specifically approved tasks (not "just whatever with AWB"), as people may afford the edits less scrutiny (i.e. assuming they've been approved by BAG). –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 12:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

:How are you logging in? API? —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 08:38, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

:::I've never done it this way, may be someone else might help you. I also don't follow changes to MediaWiki, so I wouldn't know if they changed anything. Perhaps your POST data lacks some newly added parameter? Perhaps your script isn't accepting cookies properly? Perhaps you are getting a Captcha? I'm puzzled, because you say it worked once, suggesting it may be a Captcha. May be you have a bad referral string value (if that even matters)? Unless your user agent is blacklisted, I don't think it matters as long as it is not empty. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 08:58, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::::Perhaps it is because you are already logged in via your browser, so when you try to re-loggin, MediaWiki just ignores that request and redirects you back to the last page you visited (or Main Page, since your bot script didn't come from any page). —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 13:59, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

* Endorse this strongly. Summaries like "Fixing infobox" or "Repairing links" are not descriptive and a good portion of bot summaries are still truly basic even if BOTPOL prescribed differently. I understand that it is cumbersome to write them out when editing manually, but for a bot all that's required is a one-time coding. My preference is that bot summaries say exactly what they did and link to the task's description. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:H3llkn0wz|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#B00BB0000;">HELL</fontspan>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:H3llkn0wz|TALK]]</small> 16:20, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

::As I said, I'll defer to individual bot owners one how best to make the edit summaries clear for their bots. A specialized bot that works on WikiProject subpages (i.e. a bot that updates [[WP:JCW]]) has much less of a need for a clear edit summary than a bot that removes fair use files from articles when they lack a proper license. Fun to have a nice edit summary in both cases, but "Updating report" in the former case is good enough, while "Removing file" in the later case isn't. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|contribs]] / [[WP:PHYS|physics]] / [[WP:WBOOKS|books]]}</span> 14:19, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

:People should be able to find most of the details by reading the BotRFA, so if that is linked to the edit summary, along with a very basic summary, should that not be enough? [[User:Sven Manguard|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#207004;"><big>'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><fontspan colorstyle="color:#F0A804;">'''Wha?'''</fontspan></small>]] 20:49, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

:The archiving MiszaBots still run, so I believe this only applies to the tracker pages. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 18:57, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

::::AWB won't (can't) reorganize categories from how they were set by humans as they may be ordered alphabetically, or in a conceptual hierarchy. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 19:41, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

DASHBot [[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/DASHBot 9|task 9]] has been inactive for over a month now. The backlog it keeps clear is at over 1000 items. Not only that, but this is not the first time that the task has gone dark under mysterious circumstances. To be blunt, a replacement is needed. I can neither do resizings nor run bots off my computer right now, so I'm asking for someone to code and run the bot. I'm not sure how toolserver works, but I'd be willing to try and run the program through TS using Svenbot if someone is willing to code the bot but not run it. [[User:Sven Manguard|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#207004;"><big>'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><fontspan colorstyle="color:#F0A804;">'''Wha?'''</fontspan></small>]] 06:20, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

::I don't know why but cron seems to always reject this job. I just got it running again, but it only lasts for about a month at a time. [[User:Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Blue"color:blue; face="font-family:Arial;" >Tim</span>]]<[[Special:Contributions/font>Tim1357|<fontspan colorstyle="Red"color:red; face="font-family:Optima;" >1357</span>]] [[SpecialUser talk:Contributions/Tim1357|1357]]</font> ^{<font facestyle="font-family:Times new roman"; font-size = 2 :small;">[[User talk:Tim1357|talk]]</font>}]] 16:37, 9 October 2011 (UTC)