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===[[:EMD SD45T-2R]]===▼
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The result was '''merge'''__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to [[EMD SD45T-2]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:NotAGenious|NotAGenious]] ([[User talk:NotAGenious|talk]]) 11:57, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
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This appears to be have been [[WP:REFBOMB]]ed to make it appear more notable than it is. Review of the one source that is publicly accessible reveals that EMD SD45T-2R is not mentioned at all. Online searches for EMD SD45T-2R yield insufficient information to demonstrate notability, and mostly brings up results for [[EMD SD45T-2]]. I can not see how this passes [[WP:GNG]]. [[User:TarnishedPath|''TarnishedPath'']]<sup>[[User talk:TarnishedPath|talk]]</sup> 07:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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* '''Merge with [[EMD SD45T-2]]''': Basically a rebuilt locomotive of that class, nothing notable by itself. [[User:Oaktree b|Oaktree b]] ([[User talk:Oaktree b|talk]]) 16:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC) <!--VCB Oaktree b-->
*'''Merge''' with [[EMD SD45T-2]]. Unless there's been substantial coverage of rebuilt locomotives independent of their original type, rebuilds are best covered within the same article to avoid needless duplication. Consider the [[EMD GP15-1]], where the substantially similar GP15T and GP15AC (the former a GP15-1 with a turbocharger, the latter a GP15-1 with an AR10 alternator) were both merged into the main GP15-1 article to better present all the information in one place. This merits a paragraph at most in EMD SD45T-2, not an entire article. [[User:Trainsandotherthings|Trainsandotherthings]] ([[User talk:Trainsandotherthings|talk]]) 21:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
*'''Redirect''' per nom. No evidence of individual notability. [[User:Pi.1415926535|Pi.1415926535]] ([[User talk:Pi.1415926535|talk]]) 02:37, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
*<s>'''Comment'''.</s> '''Merge and redirect'''. I agree that there's some refbombing going on here. I own Wilson's 2017 book, and to the extent that he mentions the SD45T-2R rebuild it's on a roster note for the Cotton Belt (and not the Southern Pacific). No discussion of what the rebuild entailed. The article doesn't mention that either, which I consider a real red flag. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 12:52, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
** David Lustig has as two page article in the December 2001 issue of ''Trains'' that discusses the SD40T-2 and SD45T-2, and he doesn't mention this rebuild.<ref>{{Cite magazine | last=Lustig | first=David | title=Phoenix-like tunnel motors just keep on working | magazine=[[Trains (magazine)|Trains]] | volume=61 | issue=12 | pages=26–27 | date=December 2001 | issn=0041-0934}}</ref> [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 13:18, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
**I've put in an interlibrary loan request for the ''Diesel Era'' article, which may well be the only substantive treatment of the subject. IP, do you have that article and the two books by Shine, or did you just add them because they're listed at the bottom of [http://espee.railfan.net/spsd45t-2r.html http://espee.railfan.net/spsd45t-2r.html]?
**I've consulted the ''Diesel Era'' article.<ref>{{cite magazine | last=Rutherford | first=Brian | title=Southern Pacific's EMD SD45T-2 Tunnel Motors | magazine=Diesel Era | volume=2 | issue=3 | date=May–June 1991 | pages=8–23}}</ref> There's about a page devoted to the rebuild program for the SD45T-2/SD45T-2R. The changes appear to have all been external and/or cosmetic; nothing like replacing the electronics or prime mover. Summarized, it's a paragraph at most. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 23:12, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
*'''Merge and redirect''' per above. ~ [[User:Pbritti|Pbritti]] ([[User talk:Pbritti|talk]]) 04:44, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
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