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==Stalking==
Okay, I was trying to assume good faith, but now it's quite obvious. You just reverted an edit I made to [[Moses Montefiore Windmill]] claiming there was no source for the name Jaffa Gate Mill, even though there was. This being after you showed up to [[Tawfiq Canaan]], [[Present absentee]] and [[List of native plants of Palestine (A-D)]] (all quite obscure articles), it's clear to me that you are following me. I'm asking you to stop. Right now. If I see you editing directly after me at another page again, I will report you to [[WP:AE]] for stalking. K? [[User:Tiamut|<b><
:Also, I'd like to ask you for the record, do you or have you ever had another account at Wikipedia? [[User:Tiamut|<b><
I don't have nor did I ever have another account, nor am I stalking you. Feel free to report me for stalking right now.
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:Of course I can back up the accusation, otherwise it would not be made. See [[User:Tiamut/No More]] for an outline of how I came to this conclusion. I think it would be best for you to admit that you have been following me around, and commit to not doing it anymore. There is really no other explanation for your edits between July 20 and July 30th. Every single one is one an article that I was either developing heavily previously or had just made an edit to. Its disingenous for you to pretend there is an alternate explanation.
:I won't be reporting right now. I've given you what I consider a final warning. Do not follow me anymore. Okay? [[User:Tiamut|<b><
:::The fact that every single one of your edits over the last ten days have been to articles I edited either directly before you did or that I had been working on extensively previously is no coincidence No More Mr Nice Guy. I've given you two warnings now, and if you edit directly after me at an article you have not edited previously again, I will file the report. This is not a threat. It's a fair warning. Take it or leave it. There are thousands of I-P articles, thousands of which I have not touched. I'm sure it will be easy to find some. The ball is in your court. [[User:Tiamut|<b><
:::::I won't be bullied into filing a report No More Mr Nice Guy. They are time-consuming and a waste of energy (just like this discussion). I've said what I want to say and you do what you want to do, and we'll see what happens in the future. Happy editing. [[User:Tiamut|<b><
== More on HRWs criticism ==
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== 3rr ==
that is your 3rd revert on [[Palestinian right of return]]. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Nableezy|<
:No, it's my second revert. Your next revert will be your 3rd though.
If you want to discuss the wording, take it to talk. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy|talk]]) 15:11, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, no, your first edit on the page was a revert. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Nableezy|<
Actually, my first edit was not a revert.<br>Also, in the future, I'd appreciate it if you returned the courtesy and did not delete sections I open on your talk page. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy|talk]]) 15:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yes it was, you removed anothers work, that is a revert. It doesnt matter if you use undo. (and Ill remove what I feel like) <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Nableezy|<
Fair warning, continue edit warring and AN3 is my next stop. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Nableezy|<
::and again at 3 reverts on the same page. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Nableezy|<
:and now 3 reverts on [[Arab Capital of Culture]]. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Nableezy|<
== Re: Administrative question ==
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== paradise now ==
what brought you to that article to restore the edit of a banned user? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Nableezy|<
:since you have not answered let me give you some things to read. You can start [[Wikipedia:BAN#Editing_on_behalf_of_banned_users|here]] and while you have the time also take a look at [[WP:HOUND|this]]. Try not to do either of those things in the future. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Nableezy|<
::If you want to accuse me of something, go right ahead. Otherwise, I'm not inclined to have chit chat with someone who told me to get lost when I asked for a courtesy. This will be the last time I respond to you here unless there's a specific administrative issue.
::Bye bye. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 17:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I thought the links would make clear what it is I am accusing you of. Wikihounding and editing on behalf of a banned user. And if you continue with such behavior I will take the issue to arbitration enforcement. Bye. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Nableezy|<
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::::I categorically deny your accusation. I believe that if you thought you could prove it, you'd have already gone to arbitration enforcement. I shall continue to edit as I see fit. Adios. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 17:14, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Deny all you like, but the reason I dont go to AE is that I dont feel one article is big enough an issue to go through the process. Just dont do it anymore. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Nableezy|<
In other words, you don't have a case. That's what I thought.
I shall continue to edit as I see fit. Please stop repeatedly threatening me with administrative action you can't follow through with. I'm sure there's some rule against that sort of behavior too. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 17:40, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:I do have a case, and combined with Tiamut's it is pretty strong. If on any future article that you have never edited before you show up right after me I will take that case to AE. That isnt a threat, it isnt a warning, just a fact. Edit as you see fit, but do not go through my contributions to further whatever arguments you think we have. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Nableezy|<
I encourage both you and Tiamut to take your "case" to the proper venue. But I think we all know you won't because you don't have one.<br>
Thanks for the tip about editing an article you never edited before. Have a look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fourth_Geneva_Convention&diff=311340131&oldid=311330603 this] and then go read [[WP:HOUND]].<br>
Are we done here? [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 19:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:Nope, because there is a pretty big difference. The 4th Geneva Convention article is a major topic that many, many people who edit in the topic are have watchlisted so it would be very difficult for you to say anybody followed you there. But ''Paradise Now'' is an article on a movie that people rarely edit. And you also went there to reinstate the edit of a banned user. I have many human rights articles on my watchlist even if I have not edited them. But I highly doubt you had ''Paradise Now'' on yours, I doubt you even saw the movie or read a single source about it, I doubt you have even read the article. You went there for the sole purpose of reverting my edit and reinstating the edit of a banned user. There is the difference. And like I said, 1 more time and I will go to the next step in solving the issue. The idea here is to get you to stop such behavior before it becomes necessary for an admin to stop you from continuing with such actions. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Nableezy|<
You're really reaching now. You'd tell AE that you highly doubt I've seen the movie? That's your case?<br>
We're done. Your little threat has been duly noted. Ma salameh. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 19:37, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:No, I would tell AE that you edited an article for the first time to reinstate the edit of a banned user immediately after me and did so twice. I would then show them your history of following Tiamut around. But that isnt the point, I am just asking you not to follow me around. Ending up on obscure articles just to revert me give that impression. Please just stop doing so. Aint that complicated. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Nableezy|<
Either one of you can feel free to tell me to shove off, but how about this: what if, without anyone admitting any wrongdoing, you both agree in principle to avoid, whenever possible, the other? Is that fair/useful? I speak as one who has been often followed... oh, and I have seen ''Paradise Now'', and can't really see the big deal in terms of your disagreement. The whole topic area is fraught enough without obsessing over minutiae, yes? [[User:IronDuke|<span style="color:green;">IronDuke</span>]] 19:56, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:That would be great. The only problem is that Nableezy seems to patrol every single article in the IP space. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 20:01, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
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::::Okay, what about agreeing not to directly revert him on a new article? Edit away, but try not to undo his edits? [[User:IronDuke|<span style="color:green;">IronDuke</span>]] 20:56, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::I can live with that if he agrees to do the same. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 00:13, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::done. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Nableezy|<
:::::::Awesome. Thanks to both of you. [[User:IronDuke|<span style="color:green;">IronDuke</span>]] 01:35, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Note to self: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&diff=prev&oldid=309295393 1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_diplomatic_missions_of_Palestine&diff=309384005&oldid=306537177 2]
:The Help Desk is in my watchlist, and I thought I was being helpful. Guess not. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Nableezy|<
::So you admit you made the edit because of the question I asked at the helpdesk, while you didn't actually bother to, oh, I don't know, answer the question I asked at the helpdesk? Very helpful indeed. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 14:22, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I fixed the citation, what else was there to answer? Whether or not it was good enough to begin with? But yes, I fixed the cite because you asked a question at the help desk. Normally people say thank you when that happens. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Nableezy|<
::::I was trying to learn a bit about what is considered an acceptable citation, and how this place works in general. But never mind, I learn much more about how things work around here, not to mention many little tricks, by watching you than you'd ever tell me on the helpdesk page, so it's all good. Bye now. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 15:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
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== Sandstein/Nableezy ==
:Hi No More Mr Nice Guy. I would like to work on two things regarding what has happened to Nableezy. On is to file an appeal of Sandstein's decision which I will begin in my user space shortly. The second, concurrent to this, would be opening a User RfC on Sandstein regading his abuse of his admin powers. I have asked Gatoclass for some advice on how to proceed. I hope he responds soon. When I have drafts up in my user space, I will be contacting you for feedback. I hope you will co-sign both the appeal and the User RfC. Also, check out Nableezy's talk page to see what has happened most recently and why these steps are absolutely necessary. Thanks. [[User:Tiamut|<b><
::I really don't understand why you're approaching me with this. Putting aside the way you and your gang jumped Sandstein with an aggressive campaign of insults and various personal attacks, you and Nableezy have been nothing but unpleasant towards me during the whole time I've been editing here. I understand you want your appeal to seem it has bipartisan support, but you should try people Nableezy hasn't been a complete shit to. There might be one or two. Maybe. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 21:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:::You may not understand that in order to avoid being accused of canvassing, it is my responsibility to inform to all interested parties (all those who commented at Sandstein's page and Nableezy's of any intended initiative. I did not think you would support such an initiative, but you have the right to know about it, so that you can oppose, if that is what you wish to do. So thank you for your obscene commentary. And FYI, Nableezy has decided to file [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AE#Appeal_by_Nableezy an appeal at AE]. [[User:Tiamut|<b><
::::I did not post anything about Nableezy's ban, not on AE nor on Sandstein's page. You are indeed canvassing, but I commend you on your effort to make it seem like you're not.
::::As for the commentary - you're welcome. You both earned it. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 21:40, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::You responded to another editor's comments regarding Nableezy's ban on that page. If I misunderstood, and you do not want to be informed/involved in the discussions to follow, then you can simply disregard this message. Again, thank you for your commentary and have a nice day. [[User:Tiamut|<b><
== [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Israel]] ==
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If you would be willing to participate in the mediation of this dispute but wish for its scope to be adjusted then you may propose on the case talk page amendments or additions to the list of issues to be mediated. Any queries or concerns that you have may be directed to an [[Wikipedia:Mediation Committee/Active Mediators|active mediator]] of the Committee or by e-mailing the MedCom's private mailing list ([[User:Mediation Committee|click here]] for details).
Please indicate on the case page your agreement to participate in the mediation within seven days of the request's submission. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<
:I know you've received other reminders below already, but now that I see you've edited yesterday (or today, depending on time zone), I'd like to remind you once again that you're the last person we're waiting for on the mediation. Technically, the seven-day period expired Sunday, but it would obviously be much better for everyone if you explicitly stated your agreement or disagreement to the request. We don't want to keep waiting around guessing and, further, it would be a shame if the mediation were rejected because of your apparent disinterest when you really were interested in going forward with it (and it just slipped your mind, or you were busy, etc.). -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<
::I think I'll pass. Next time the issue comes up I won't participate on the talk page and then you guys can go to mediation. Then I'll join in the time after that since it's pretty obvious some people won't let it rest until they get want they want, which mediation is unlikely to give them. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 15:05, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::You're entitled to make that decision if you want, NMMNG, but you seem to be effetively saying: "launch a new request for mediation without inviting me, then you'll get an agreement to mediate". Why not cut out the middleman and consent now on the understanding that you may not participate? --[[User:FormerIP|FormerIP]] ([[User talk:FormerIP|talk]]) 15:13, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
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:*If the mediation fails, it's chalked up to yet another form of dispute resolution that was tried but failed. Once again, someone could try to go through another form of dispute resolution. Even though MedCom is the court of last resort (which is not to say mediation results are binding), people will generally go back to RfCs, endless discussions... you know... what we have now.
:*Yes, they can. Mediation results are not binding, so anyone can "improve on the compromise" as you say, or bring it back closer toward the pre-mediation formulation. But the idea is that an agreement from a mediation request holds a lot of weight, and the likelihood of there being consensus to put in place anything other than the agreement should be very low. If others who followed the case, especially those who participated in it, start to ask for more than what they already agreed to with no change in situation or addition of new information and positions, there's obviously grounds for considering them disruptive. ArbCom would be a natural next step, if ignoring them is not sufficient.
:I should add as a final point that the proceedings of a request for mediation cannot be used against you in an ArbCom case or pretty much anywhere else. If necessary, the proceedings may be held off Wikipedia on a more private site. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<
::Oh, I forgot to add that you can withdraw consent to mediation at any time. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<
My main concern is that even if mediation is successful (which I think is pretty unlikely considering some people present their position as "non-negotiable") it would probably take quite a bit of time and effort to achieve. If then anyone can restart the discussion on the talk page, the whole thing seems pointless to me. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 13:47, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:Okay. I've told you all I needed to tell you. If you want to disagree with the mediation, you are well within your right to do so. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<
::I'm really not sure what I want to do. Should I ask someone who's not involved? [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 20:59, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Uh..... do what you want. This isn't a life-or-death decision. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<
::::Excuse me for horning in, but I urge you to participate in the mediation. I am not a party to the mediation, but I would like to see it go forward. While the outcome of the mediation is not binding, particularly on those who are not parties, nonetheless, if the mediator succeeds in reaching an agreement, that agreement will have a lot of weight, and, I believe, will certainly be a potent argument for squelching any future bickering that comes up on the talk page.
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:::::Your comments are welcome. There are two people who have not yet agreed to the mediation, and I think both of us share the same concerns.
:::::Several editors have said their position is "non-negotiable". At least one editor has pretty much said they will continue discussing the issue until they get the result they want. In this kind of atmosphere I'm really not sure I want to waste my time on a mediation process which might not even yield results, but even if it does will just postpone the inevitable return of the issue for a couple of months. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 18:43, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::My comments may be less welcome but I feel compelled to say this. If the mediation concludes, regardless of the conclusion, I will not mention the issue again. It is at least worth a try to get a discussion about this issue moderated by a disinterested party. Even if nothing is accomplished in terms of an agreement what have you lost? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Nableezy|<
:::::::I'd agree with this completely. You cannot possibly lose by agreeing to mediation. Parties have to agree at the end of the process - if there is still no common ground, there is just no agreement, which would be a shame but not a tragedy for anyone. You can withdraw later if you don't like it, and you can also sign up but choose not to participate or to participate little if that's what you prefer. I do think there is a decent possibility that the matter may end up with ArbCom if mediation does not happen, which would not be a good thing and ought not to be necessary. --[[User:FormerIP|FormerIP]] ([[User talk:FormerIP|talk]]) 02:10, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::At least arbcom can make binding decisions. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 11:50, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::::::::::::This is precisely one of the reasons why I felt nothing good would come from a mediation. The Arab-Israeli conflict is a tinderbox. There are many good editors on both sides, unfortunately each side also has a few "bad apples" who will stop at nothing to reach their preconceived outcome. --[[User:nsaum75|<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em; class=texhtml">nsaum75</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:nsaum75|<span lang="he" xml:lang="he" dir="rtl">¡שיחת!</span>‎]]</sup>
:::::::::::::::Well whoever emailed me has apparently read this discussion thread because they referenced it in their latest message. Coercion sucks. --[[User:nsaum75|<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em; class=texhtml">nsaum75</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:nsaum75|<span lang="he" xml:lang="he" dir="rtl">¡שיחת!</span>‎]]</sup> 06:33, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::As far as I know nothing can be done to you for refusing mediation, you both can do what you want. Though I hope you would at least be willing to allow it to go through, even if you feel you want to withdraw at a later date. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Nableezy|<
:::::::::::::::::Could you email me the threatening emails you got? [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 12:53, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::Heh, if it were me I would refuse just on the basis of receiving those email threats. I'm not one to submit to blackmail. Plus I would love to see who fills out the disruptive editing arbcom. But I guess I'm just a bad apple. [[User:Breein1007|Breein1007]] ([[User talk:Breein1007|talk]]) 19:06, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
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::''For the Mediation Committee,'' '''[[User:Seddon|Seddon]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Seddon|talk]]</sup> and [[User:Xavexgoem|Xavexgoem]] ([[User talk:Xavexgoem|talk]]) 05:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
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== March 2010 ==
[[File:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] You currently appear to be engaged in an '''[[WP:Edit war|edit war]]'''  according to the reverts you have made on [[:Eden Natan-Zada]]. Note that the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]] prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]]. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|discuss controversial changes]] to work towards wording and content that gains a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek [[WP:DR|dispute resolution]], and in some cases it may be appropriate to request [[WP:PP|page protection]]. Please stop the disruption, otherwise '''you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing'''. <!-- Template:uw-3rr --> '''<
:You violated 3RR, making four reverts in less than four hours. I've explained why my changes are necessary on the talk page. Please respect Wikipedia policies and guidelines (per [[MOS:IDENTITY]] and [[WP:3RR]]) and refrain from reverting again. [[User:Tiamut|<b><
::You violated BRD. You explained why your changes are necessary only after I threatened to report you and your tag team buddy. Please respect Wikipedia policies and guidelines (per [[WP:BRD]] and [[WP:3RR]]) and refrain from reverting again. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 12:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
:::BRD does not trump 3RR. You are equally obligated to initiate a discussion, and you are in no way exempt from 3RR. '''<
::::Yeah, I know. But sometimes when you have two users tag teaming to insert a version they like after a specific BRD request, you can get carried away.
::::Out of curiosity, how did you happen to get involved here, Acroterion? [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 13:42, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::One person's "tag-teaming" can be another person's consensus; it's easy to lose perspective. I've seen too many people who should know better find themselves on the wrong side of 3RR this way. I don't recall how I came across this, probably via noticing an edit summary in the recent edits page, which made me take a closer look. You'd be surprised at what comes up that way. '''<
== Reopening ANI thread ==
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This notice is only effective if given by an administrator and logged [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles#Log_of_notifications|here]].
*In relation to the above, you are informed that the [[Richard Goldstone]] article is under a blanket 1RR restriction and violations of this restriction will result in escalating blocks and/or topic/page bans. Thank you for your cooperation. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<
== What do you think of this edit ==
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== [[Kenneth O'Keefe]] ==
I see you're having a spot of bother. Any idea who the sockmaster is? Meanwhile, stick to 1RR if you can (obviously I'm not going to block you for reverting on genuine BLP concerns) and, if you need a quick, uncontroversial block for a breach, ping my talk page. I decided against full protection, because it was easier to block the only autoconfirmed agressor, but if there are more of them, I might reconsider. Anyway, just stopping by to make the offer (of course ANEW and AE are open as normal). [[User:HJ Mitchell|<
== Reviewer permission ==
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For the guideline on reviewing, see [[Wikipedia:Reviewing]]. Being granted reviewer rights doesn't grant you status nor change how you can edit articles even with pending changes. The general help page on pending changes can be found [[Help:Pending changes|here]], and the general policy for the trial can be found [[Wikipedia:Pending changes|here]].
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== Rollback ==
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*You may wish to display the {{tl|User wikipedia/rollback}} userbox and/or the {{tl|Rollback}} top icon on your user page
:If you have any questions, please do let me know.
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== [[Kenneth O'Keefe]] again==
Since those socks look they're going to keep coming, I've put the article on level 2 pending changes. This means that any edit by anybody who doesn't have the reviewer permission will have to wait for a review by a reviewer or admin before their edit appears in the "stable version". Hence the above{{mdash}}I figured you might need them. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<
:I've a feeling they might come back. I'll give it a day or two and if there's no sign of them returning, I'll unprotect it. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<
== R/E: March 2011 ==
It wasn't intentional... honestly! I discovered something strange and I don't recall anything else. Feel free to contest.--'''''<sup>[[User:The Master of Mayhem|<
I didn't put "i wished hitler died" there. In fact, I was the one '''''reverting''''' the vandalism, not causing it. It was a false warning.--'''''<sup>[[User:The Master of Mayhem|<
Here's the story. I was reverting vandalism with Twinkle, but someone edited while rolling back meaning it had no power. Therefore, I removed some of the vandalism myself but I got caught up in an edit conflict. I still removed the "La Waffle" bit but didn't notice the "i wish hitler died". The "false" warning caused me to explode- my wikimood will display that. Sorry for bothering you.--'''''<sup>[[User:The Master of Mayhem|<
OK- I have not done wrongdoing- slap the user who issued the warning with a trout.--'''''<sup>[[User:The Master of Mayhem|<
Can I do something about it- I'll retire indefinitely if you don't get this straight.--'''''<sup>[[User:The Master of Mayhem|<
== /* 1949 Armistice Agreements */ Very misleading and incomplete ==
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== Administrator review of [[Old City (Jerusalem)]] and other I/P articles ==
This message is to inform you that I have initiated an administrator review of the recent editing at {{La|Old City (Jerusalem)}} and other problematic I/P articles. This review will result in any editors whose conduct is disruptive being sanctioned under the provision of [[WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions]]. You are welcome to participate in the review, which is located at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Israel/Palestine articles generally]]. Regards, [[User talk:AGK|<
:Cool. Thanks for the note. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 14:18, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
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== Adora ==
In [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adora,_Har_Hebron&diff=437579039&oldid=437577768 this] edit, you removed a line on the illegality of the settlement under international law. I assume that this was simply a mistake by you and as such I have come here instead of AE. I am sure you are aware that [[WT:Legality of Israeli settlements]] established a consensus for the inclusion of the line that you removed, and further that [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive74#Shuki|an editor was topic banned]] over the same disregard for that consensus. Kindly restore the material in a timely fashion. Thank you. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:I reverted your removal of information on a terrorist attack on the settlement. Could you explain why you removed a historical fact that was in the article for months (which according to you means is there by consensus), rather than, say, tagged it with cn or even (I know this is a stretch) spent half a minute at google to see if it actually happened? For the record, I am aware of the line about settlements, have never removed it from any other article and would not have removed it on its own. What I did is revert an illegitimate edit you made. If I inadvertently removed legitimate information, feel free to restore it or have one of your buddies do it. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 18:50, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
::All material in articles must be cited to reliable sources. Any material that is not cited to a verifiable reliable source may be removed. My edit was in now way "illegitimate". Your edit did much more than revert the removal of material that was not cited. Your comment that you have never removed the line is simply astonishing, as the edit you made did 2 things; remove that line, and re-add the other line, though you added the source. But as you gave your consent for me to restore the line, I will do so. Bye. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:::It is illegitimate to remove an easily verifiable fact that has been in the article for months if not years, particularly for someone with your history of battleground behavior. Unless you're saying the information on the 2002 attack on Adora was "likely to be challenged"? I'm a little disappointed you didn't take this to AE, I would have liked to see you explain your removal. By the way, I'm glad my consent means so much to you. Arrivederci. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 19:21, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
::::I dont recognize any such history, and it is not "illegitimate" to remove, lets go with the favorite phrase of one of your friends, "contentious material" that is not cited to any source. That it remained uncited for months, or years, does not change the fact that it required a citation and could be removed absent one. That it is "easily verifiable" does not change the fact that it was not cited to a verifiable source, which is a requirement for material in an "encyclopedia". You could have re-added the material with a source, nobody would have said one word. Instead you chose to also remove material cited a reliable source that you know has consensus for. What is "illegitimate" is the removal of material that is both cited to a reliable source and has an actual explicit consensus for. Next time, if you would like me to take something like this to AE just say no when I ask you to restore material you should not have removed. Ill take you up on the offer then. Arrivederla. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:::::"Contentious material"? That's hilarious. Well, maybe it is to someone who wants to hide yet another example of Palestinians entering someone's house and killing a child up close and personal.
:::::Anyway, If you read [[WP:V]] closely, you'll see that it says that "In practice you do not need to attribute everything. This policy requires that all quotations and anything challenged or likely to be challenged be attributed...". Now who would challenge the easily verifiable ''fact'' there was an attack on Adora in 2002 in which 4 people were killed? [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 19:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
::::::Keep reading that policy, up to at least the point where it says ''You may remove any material lacking a reliable source that directly supports it.'' Yes, I may place a cn template prior to doing so, but I am under no obligation to do so. There are requirements for material in articles, citing a reliable source is one of them. But you are side-stepping the issue. You seem to be arguing that my removal of an unsourced sentence justifies your removal of a sourced sentence, a sentence for which you know there is consensus. If you want to make that argument at AE that is up to you. You will no doubt see my upcoming edits, where I will be implementing the consensus regarding the material on the illegality of these colonies into various articles. If I happen across similarly uncited statements I will likely remove them. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:::::::As I believe I explained to you above, I was reverting your removal, not what you added. Please do continue to remove such longstanding, easily verifiable, unlikely to be challenged ''facts'' (only ones that put the side you advocate for in a bad light, of course) from articles. It would be amusing to see you try to defend a pattern of such activity at AE. I'm sure it will be an exemplar of wikilawyering. Ciao. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 22:46, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Amusing it would be indeed, especially when contrasted with the argument that [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adora,_Har_Hebron&diff=437579039&oldid=437577768 this] edit did not revert what I added. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:::::::::Look, I know you're not a complete idiot so I'm just going to assume you understood what I meant and are trying to play a silly game now. Please feel free to get the last word in and then do move on to something more productive. Bye now. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 23:08, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::Why thank you. I understand what you meant, that isnt the problem. The problem is what you meant is absurd. You '''did''' remove a sourced line that you know has consensus. You then tried to shift the discussion as to whether or not I performed an "illegitimate" edit by removing an unsourced line, an accusation that you have yet to retract despite having been quoted, from a WP policy, that editors ''may remove any material lacking a reliable source that directly supports it'', and you further ask that I not remove such material despite a policy explicitly says that I may. So, no, I wont be complying with your request, and in the future, when you wish to restore something do not also remove other material that is sourced and has consensus. Bye. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
== United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine ==
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== Other accounts ==
Do you use, or have you used, any other accounts on Wikipedia? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:I do not, nor have I ever used other accounts on Wikipedia. Didn't you ask me this before? [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 16:58, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
::I dont honestly recall if I had asked you before. I cant see anything on this talk page though. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:::Might have been someone else. Anyhow, the answer is no. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 17:01, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
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==[[Kenneth O'Keefe]]==
I understand this is a contentious article and is under the [[WP:1RR]] rule, to which I assume you are also required to abide, but I am curious as to why you deleted the category which I added, [[:Category:Conspiracy theorists]]. That is an obvious one if you have read the last section of the article in question. You don't have to (and shouldn't necessarily) delete everything wholesale. Yours, [[User:[email protected]|<
:I didn't notice it at the end of the long diff. But could we have this discussion on the article talk page? [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 04:26, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:: Yes, meet me there. Ciao. [[User:[email protected]|<
== UN Partition Plan for Palestine talk page ==
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== Mandatory Palestine Hebrew name ==
I noticed this at the time, but thought it may be a violation to tell you then. Re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mandatory_Palestine&diff=prev&oldid=498240130 this], you can use <nowiki>{{
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The trick is to type out whatever you want in a program that does right-to-left text correctly, then copy and paste while typing out the template on wiki. It wont look right in the code because rtl end parenthesis will be read as coming after the last word, and in left-to-right after is to the right. Otherwise you can play around with the lrm control character. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:Interesting. I knew c&p worked some of the time, but I didn't think the source was the issue. When you say a program that does right to left correctly, you mean something like Microsoft Word with a right to left template? [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 02:41, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
::For you actually typing something, yeah Word or any other program that has a rtl font available, Wordpad might also work. Or, and this is what I usually just do, use the translate box in translate.google.com. Select the language you are typing in as the translate from, then just type out what you want, with the parenthesis how you want, and copy from there. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:::I don't remember what I tried with at the time, either a browser or notepad or both, but it didn't look right in the preview. Parenthesis and quote marks are the worst. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 05:48, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
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== Dr Franklin ==
Great spot. How the hell did you find that?! <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:AnkhMorpork|<b><
:I wanted to see if what he was saying is right. And that was one of the first links. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 20:54, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
== 3 admins ==
Thoughts on who? We could do this off-wiki if you really, really want. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:I don't really know that many admins. Ignoring those you probably won't agree to, I'd be fine with HJ Mitchell, Ed, Georgewilliamherbert or any admin I've never seen before. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 05:55, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
::I'd rather not include those who have been involved with AE, but I'll ask around. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:::Better the devil you know...A rfc conducted by admins that are trusted and whose neutrality will not be called into question is probably preferable. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:AnkhMorpork|<b><
I've asked Avraham if he is willing to moderate the RFC, and if he has suggestions on who would be a good choice to be among those who close. If you want to ask him to forward you that email chain, I dont mind. Among the names that I am open to are: NYBrad (not sure a sitting arb will want to touch this though), Moonriddengirl, Black Kite, and MastCell. Problem with any of those? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:Not really familiar with any of them. Perhaps we should have this discussion on the project page, so if anyone else has any objections they can bring them up. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 21:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
::Sure, feel free to move this there. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:::I'm going to have to ask for MastCell and Black Kite to be removed from the list. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 10:33, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
:::::NYB recused. I seriously doubt there will be three names that will both have widespread support (I dont think unanmity qualifies for even a pipe dream) and will be willing and able. Im not even sure how to go about ascertaining the level of support and either later or concurrently seeing the willingness to participate. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
::::::I think we have several options.
::::::#Let Avraham (or whoever we get to moderate) chose two other admins at his discretion, and we agree to accept whatever he decides.
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::::::#Go to one of the boards where admins hang out, ask who would like <del>to have one of their eyeballs removed with a spoon</del> help us out here, see if there are any objections after they agree, and move on from there.
::::::We only need two more people. It should be possible to get that many. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 08:53, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
::::::::If I get to choose, I choose option 2. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
::::I'll throw out a name, Dennis Brown. To my knowledge, he has had no I-P involvement at all and strikes me as a patient and reasonable admin. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:AnkhMorpork|<b><
:::::This thread is quite amusing, it's much like jury selection. NMMNG, you've just used up two of your peremptory challenges.<small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:AnkhMorpork|<b><
:::::Not familiar with him either. I saw him at AE a couple of times, but have yet to develop an opinion about him. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 13:19, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
::::::No. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
::just as a matter of curiosity, are there any admins with long experience of the I/P area whom both sides would find acceptable? Why a rank outsider is necessary to secure neutrality is not clear. I don't know of one admin whose judgement I haven't privately (musing) questioned in one or two cases, but at the same time, they have retained my respect for their overall coherence. If there are none, then seeking the angel/devil you don't know won't solve anything.[[User:Nishidani|Nishidani]] ([[User talk:Nishidani|talk]]) 13:09, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
:::I suggested a few at the top of this thread. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 13:20, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
::::The admins that are active in the actual administering of the topic area at AE would lose any claim to impartiality or uninvolvement if they were to make what is essentially a decision on article content. I don't think you can close this discussion, either way, and continue being active in enforcing ARBPIA, unless we get a "no consensus" repeat. There isnt going to be a "consensus" based on the numbers. One "side" is going to line up one way, and the other "side" will line up the other way. The only way this gets settled is if there is some group that is able to decide which argument best applies the policies that actually matter (the content ones). For that decision to have legitimacy, it needs to be made by people who are regarded as capable and impartial by those most vested in the issue. But it also needs admins who are actually willing to make a decision, which is why I think NMMNG objections above are ill-advised, but thats his prerogative. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:::::I basically agree with what you're saying, although I think an AE admin who already has a reputation for being impartial won't lose it over this.
:::::I received some objections over the admins I mentioned above. Since we all understand we need admins who are perceived as impartial, and since there's a pretty large pool of admins available, I see no harm in removing a few names. I deliberately didn't include names of admins I thought you'd object to, but I can add them for you to remove if that would make things seem more balanced. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 07:14, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
::::::I dont know that there actually is a large pool available. We need people that will make a decision, and that subset of admins is pretty limited. I knew MC would be objected to by somebody (not you), but I think the basis for that objection is spurious so I threw it out there. The objection to BK surprised me though. He or she has always struck me as one of the better admins around. But whatever, moving on, we dont have anybody that has agreed, and we dont have a list of people that we agree to, though I think we have one admin that nobody has objected to, Moonriddengirl (who hasn't responded yet). Who else you got for suggestions? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:::::::We've pretty much exhausted the list of admins I'm familiar with whom I thought you wouldn't object to. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 18:34, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Then move on to the ones you think I would object to but that you think are fair and would be a good choice. You never know, I might surprise you. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
::::::::And what you think about Xavexgoem? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:::::::::I don't think I've ever encountered Xavexgoem.
:::::::::How about Sandstein? AGK? [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 19:45, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::No and no. Sandstein is a "by the numbers" type of admin. I can almost guarantee that he will say no consensus for any of these types of discussions. Even looking at AfDs where he made a keep/delete decision, the rationale is based on the numbers (eg [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Palestinian drive-by shooting]]). I think he is fair, but I dont think he will be willing to make a determination of strength of argument as applied to WP policies. I'd rather not get into why I'd rather not have AGK as one of three here. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:::::::::::That's all I got. Two of the three admins I suggested above are not active in AE. How strongly do you feel about it being a bad idea to have AE admin do this? [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 20:17, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::Very. I would say no to GWH for other reasons. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:::::::::::::OK then. Want to put MRG and Xa (can I object based on name? Those are annoying to type) up at IPCOLL and see if anyone else has anything to say? [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 20:50, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Go for it. Though nobody has actually asked X and MRG hasn't yet responded. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:::::::::::::::They're your suggestion so you do it. I'll note I don't object. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 20:57, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::All right, fine. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:::::::::::::Nableezy, by your lack of enthusiasm, I assume you're not keen on Ed or HJ Mitchell? Thoughts on Malik Shabazz? If this impasse continues, I am prepared to nobly shoulder the responsibility and and humbly offer myself for this onerous task ;-) <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:AnkhMorpork|<b><
::::::::::::::I like Ed, I think he is one of the better admins around. That doesnt change my view that an admin enforcing ARBPIA shouldnt come near a content decision in the topic area. Malik is an involved editor, he cannot take any admin actions in the topic area (and I like Malik too, more than most). <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
It isnt going anywhere on the IPCOLL page, I dont think anybody actually cares about actually settling the issue, or at least nobody is saying they care. I havent heard back from MRG yet either, about to ask X if he is interested. Ill try to think of who else would be good. Have a problem with asking xeno (but again, not sure a sitting arb will want to, though Brad's recusal was unrelated to arbcom)? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:Not familiar with xeno either, so go ahead. How about Fiflefoo? I've seen him around RS/N. Seems to be a stickler for policy. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 20:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&action=view&limit=1&username=Fifelfoo Not an admin] <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:::Donno why I thought he was. Oh well. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 20:35, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
MRG said she would be willing. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:Any news from Avraham? [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 22:25, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
::I thought I already told you, but I guess not. Avi didnt want to participate in closing the discussion. He asked MRG and NYB for me (they were his suggestions, along with a few others). I am still hoping he will be willing to moderate the discussion, even if he doesnt want to close it. But I havent pressed him on that. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
John Carter? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:Not that familiar with him either. From the little I've seen he seems like a reasonable guy. Ask him. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 03:59, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
::Will do. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
Avraham cant moderate any A-I discussion. He let Breein get away with socking when the evidence showed 100% it was him. --[[User:Supreme Deliciousness|Supreme Deliciousness]] ([[User talk:Supreme Deliciousness|talk]]) 03:36, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
:Nableezy seems to think he's ok, but I won't tell anyone who to object to. That's up to you. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 03:59, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
::I wrote above that Avi already declined. And as far as admins go, Id take Avi against nearly every other one here. Ill say that to either "side", and people that I respect a great deal (namely Nish) would no doubt say the same. So SD, calmly let that go. Avi did what he thought right, and I for one am not going to question his judgment on the topic. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:::Regarding Avi, I have seen at ArbCom that several arbs recuse from taking part in a specific case if they feel that they might not be capable of being able to address the matter objectivity, or if they think they might be accused of being less than objective and thus prejudicing the outcome. In an extremely contentious field like this, I can see how Avi might wish to recuse, even if only for the latter reason, and even if I myself might join others here in asking for him to do this, and I probably would.
:::I actually came to this page because I got a notification about my being a candidate for one of the three positions. Honestly, I am aware that some editors interested who deal with Judaism-related material consider me to be biased against Judaism, I think inaccurately. That could, in some ways, be taken as carrying over to Israeli/Palestinian matters, I suppose. On that basis, I am not sure that I would necessarily be acceptable to all those involved, or perhaps to others who might become involved later. Having said that, I'm not entirely sure that there would be any others who might receive similar accusations. Personally, I tend to think I might not be among the best candidates, but I understand that there might be some trouble finding 3 admins who could not be challenged in some way. If you would have difficulty finding others, I would be willing to take it, but I do tend to think that, maybe, my objectivity might be challenged by some editors. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 19:11, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
::::I'm sure that if anyone has any objections we'll hear about them shortly. Once/if we do get 3 names we'll post at IPCOLL for any final objections, so I think right now all we need to know is that you're willing to do it. If you have any other suggestions for people who'd be good for this, we could obviously use some more candidates. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 19:23, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Tznkai? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:I remember seeing him around, but not anything specific. Anyway, no objection from me. Go ahead and ask him. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 19:26, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
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"A. If it's reported by RS it can go in the article even if some editor think it's "piling on"."
You're totally right. It's just I'm so busy and really don't have that much time to argue back and forth about this. If other editors, like you did, comment on it and give their opinion, it'd be more productive.
"B. Did an editor just seriously say she thinks she knows what the subject of this article meant and that's a reason to keep information out of the article?" - very confused... are you referring to me? I'm inclined to think not, since Carol is a female name and nothing about me indicates my gender, but just want to check. --<small style="border: 1px dashed;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Activism1234|<b><
:No, that was to Carrol. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 02:37, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
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As far as I see there is no permission for the usage of this photo. More so no place, data or any further information is given about this photo. As it is highly sensitive photo I guess such permission is required. I am wondering wetter I should ask for the deletion of this photo.I would appreciate your op pinion on this subject. --[[User:Tritomex|Tritomex]] ([[User talk:Tritomex|talk]]) 19:28, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
:I don't really know much about deletion of photos, but since it's not obvious where it came from (other than flicker) then I'm not sure it can be used in articles. It doesn't come from a reliable source. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 19:40, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
::Pictures dont need to come from reliable sources, in fact it is rare that we can use a picture from a reliable source due to the fair-use requirements Wikipedia sets for using copyrighted works. See [[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Images]], specifically ''Reliable sources, if any, may be listed on the image's description page. Generally, Wikipedia assumes in good faith that image creators are correctly identifying the contents of photographs they have taken. If such sources are available, it is helpful to provide them.'' <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<
:::It is unfortunate that this is not some kind of joke. When Sean started tagging images for no RS in similar circumstances no one said a peep. Why the change of heart? I personally believe it is OK since common sense and the standard is to use properly licensed images from Flickr. However, I don't know if the line Nableezy brings up is based on editors or uploaders to a completely unrelated project. All in all, this is a reminder to you two to start the settler discussion before I do it for you. [[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 05:21, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure whether situations are analogous. My concern in the case I think you are referring to was with unsourced contentious narratives being used in captions. I think it's [[Talk:Gaza_War/Archive_62#Refs_for_image_captions_and_caption_neutrality]]. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User:Sean.hoyland|<
Like I said, I don't know that much about photo issues, although I don't think it would make sense that we could use any photo some random person uploaded to flicker with any description they chose. On the other hand, that wouldn't be the first thing I saw here that didn't make sense, so who knows. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 03:35, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
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NMMNG, I am guessing from your prolonged silence in the matter that you are not interested in participating in mediation. Is that correct? --[[User:Ravpapa|Ravpapa]] ([[User talk:Ravpapa|talk]]) 14:52, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
:I still have two days to decide and last time I looked only about half the people replied there. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 16:52, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
::Can you please respond to the request for mediation already? The deadline to do so is fast approaching. Some of the participants listed there could be omitted due to their low involvement in the dispute, but you're not one of them. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<
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:: '''Warning''' Israeli Declaration of Independence has a 1RR restriction on it, this means you can only revert 1 time.
You have reverted twice. Do not revert again or you may be blocked for doing this.
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:::::Just to nitpick, I'm not sure that even if I was referring to the participants of the Jerusalem RfC it would be a topic ban worthy offense, since I wasn't saying anything about anyone in particular.
:::::Anyway, looks like you're on top of things there and hopefully you'll see through the attempts to form the RfC in such a way that a certain very dedicated group will have a higher chance of getting the result they want. I hope the regular wikipedia norms will be kept and the community will have its say without being herded towards a particular result. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 23:23, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
:Hey guys. As an outside observer, there is no need for all this anger. I don't know what you are angry about, but just stop. Wikipedia is about making articles, and indexing human knowledge. It is ''not'' about getting into fights. Thanks. — '''[[User:Rosscoolguy|<
::That's a lot of positive buzz words. RfA on the horizon? --''[[User:Brewcrewer|<span style="font family:Arial;color:green">brew</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Brewcrewer|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#2E82F4">crewer</span>]] [[User talk:Brewcrewer|(yada, yada)]]'' 20:35, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
:::Considering I don't recall ever interacting with this gentleman, I wonder what he's doing here. Oh well. Good luck with the RfA. I read there aren't enough admins. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 23:23, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
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== May 2017 ==
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px">[[File:Balance icon.svg|40px|left|alt=]]To enforce an [[Wikipedia:Arbitration|arbitration]] decision and for [[WP:ARBPIA]] 1RR violation as set out at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=780559447 AE], you have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''72 hours'''. You are welcome to edit once the block expires; however, please note that the repetition of similar behavior may result in a longer block or other sanctions. <p>If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] (specifically [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks#Arbitration enforcement blocks|this section]]) before appealing. Place the following on your talk page: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. --><span style="font-size:97%;">{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=Please copy my appeal to the [[WP:AE{{!}}arbitration enforcement noticeboard]] or [[WP:AN{{!}}administrators' noticeboard]]. ''Your reason here OR place the reason below this template.'' ~~~~}}</span>. If you intend to appeal on the arbitration enforcement noticeboard I suggest you use the [[Template:Arbitration enforcement appeal#Usage|arbitration enforcement appeals template]] on your talk page so it can be copied over easily. You may also appeal directly to me ([[Special:EmailUser/Sandstein|by email]]), before or instead of appealing on your talk page. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<
{{unblock reviewed|reason = While I acknowledge there might be a technical violation here, I was under the impression from previous precedent [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive174#Result_concerning_No_More_Mr_Nice_Guy here] that if someone reverts asking for a source, restoring with the source requested is not considered a revert. I would have of course self-reverted immediately if someone would have told me this is not the case or even discussed the merits of the complaint at AE.|accept=Unblocked at WP:AE, see below. [[User:Dennis Brown|<b>Dennis Brown</b>]] - [[User talk:Dennis Brown|<b>2¢</b>]] 23:16, 18 May 2017 (UTC)}} [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 21:53, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
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Hi. First, a correction of a minor factual error in your closing statement: NMMNG's prohibition on AE discussions was lifted a few months [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:No_More_Mr_Nice_Guy&oldid=780563571#Arbitration_enforcement_appeal ago]. Second, at the time this request was made ARBPIA did have the consensus clause operative, but recently, after an ARCA request, it has been [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment&oldid=780612363#Requests_for_clarification_and_amendment dropped] because it leads to more trouble than it is worth. Keeping this development in mind, perhaps you might want to re-evaluate the block. In my opinion, it is not necessary and people fighting over silly rules only leads to bad blood; discussion about how to phrase the lead is proceeding (as well as can be expected) on the talkpage. [[User:Kingsindian|Kingsindian]] [[User Talk: Kingsindian|♝]] [[Special:Contributions/Kingsindian|♚]] 05:41, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
*I would decline the appeal. The argument that a revert is not a revert if it provides a requested source is mistaken, because no Wikipedia definition of "revert" exempts such reverts. Because Wikipedia does not have a "[[stare decisis]]" rule, any prior opinion by an admin to the contrary is not binding. Also, No More Mr Nice Guy could have made this argument in their defense at AE, but did not do so. The status of the consensus rule is not relevant here because 1RR was violated independently of it. If this appeal is to be considered further, it would need to be made at AE using the {{tl|Arbitration enforcement appeal}} template. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<
:: Sandstein is correct that AE blocks are typically only appealed at AE. If NMMNG wants to appeal, I can make the argument there; no point in duplication. [[User:Kingsindian|Kingsindian]] [[User Talk: Kingsindian|♝]] [[Special:Contributions/Kingsindian|♚]] 13:06, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Sandstein}} I did not make the above argument at AE because that's not what Oncenawhile reported me for, as you can see in the original complaint I responded to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=779873644 here]. He focused completely on the consensus rule. I now see he modified his complaint after I responded to the charge. Editors are usually given an opportunity to self-revert, which I would have done immediately, if I had realized 1RR was the issue. I'm an experienced editor with a clean record (or at least had one), and I feel I'm being treated harshly and punitively. I can't post at AE so can't appeal there. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 14:56, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
::::At the time of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=779873644#No_More_Mr_Nice_Guy your first statement], the complaint made it sufficiently clear that 1RR was the issue that you were able to make any self-reverts or arguments regarding it. The complaint was open for several days, enough time for you to make self-reverts or raise the arguments you do here. <p>You cannot edit AE while blocked, but an admin reviewing your unblock request can copy your appeal there if they think the appeal has merit. (But they are less likely to do so if the appeal is not in the format set out in {{tl|Arbitration enforcement appeal}} ). <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<
:::::I did not realize the issue was 1RR (for the reason mentioned in my unblock request) and therefore I didn't address it. I think that's fairly clear from my response to the complaint, if taking my word in good faith is not an option. [[User:No More Mr Nice Guy|No More Mr Nice Guy]] ([[User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy#top|talk]]) 15:40, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
::::: {{u|Oncenawhile}} mostly focused on the consensus clause, because that was the main issue. I am, in general, in favour of giving people a chance to self-revert before reporting them to AE. And NMMNG has earlier shown willingness to self-revert when asked. This is very common practice in ARBPIA because 1RR can be so easily broken, even by mistake (I have done it many times). While blocking for 1RR is within admin discretion, I think it's not necessary here to prevent disruption. If NMMNG wants, I can transfer their appeal to the AE page. [[User:Kingsindian|Kingsindian]] [[User Talk: Kingsindian|♝]] [[Special:Contributions/Kingsindian|♚]] 15:53, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
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