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Latest comment: 2 years ago by AllegoryofACave13 in topic Colombia's White population

Argentina - no mention of the Welsh in Patagonia

The Welsh were pioneers of the opening up of Argentine Patagonia in the 19th century and there are still Welsh speakers there today. This is not mentioned in this article even though there is a separate wikipage about it.

https://www.google.com/search?q=welsh+patagonia&oq=welsh+patagonia&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l7.5253j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.93.72.220 (talk) 6:07, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Real studies about Argentina

78/81% of white population

1985, UBA (Universidad de Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires University): 81% white population (100% european): http://bases.bireme.br/cgi-bin/wxislind.exe/iah/online/?IsisScript=iah/iah.xis&src=google&base=LILACS&lang=p&nextAction=lnk&exprSearch=71338&indexSearch=ID

2006, Seldin, Michael F. et al (2006). «Argentine population genetic structure: Large variance in Amerindian contribution», en American Journal of Physical Anthropology 132(3):455-462, online December 18th 2006. 78% white population (100% european). https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajpa.20534

We need new studies, but the last ones are clear. 78/81% of white population for Argentina. The entire country, coast to coast and north to south. Not just some places, with notorious ethnic variations (manipulation). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.59.81.250 (talk) 07:50, 28 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

  • According to M. Caputo et al, 2021, X-DIPs studies show that the European genetic contribution is 52%, indigenous 39.6% and African 7.5%.[1]
  • Homburguer et al., 2015, PLOS Genetics: 67% European, 28% Amerindian, 4% African and 1,4% Asian.[2]
  • Avena et al., 2012, PLOS One: 65% European, 31% Amerindian, and 4% African.[3]
    • Buenos Aires Province: 76% European and 24% others.
    • South Zone (Chubut Province): 54% European and 46% others.
    • Northeast Zone (Misiones, Corrientes, Chaco & Formosa provinces): 54% European and 46% others.
    • Northwest Zone (Salta Province): 33% European and 67% others.
  • Oliveira, 2008, on Universidade de Brasília: 60% European, 31% Amerindian and 9% African.[4]
  • National Geographic: 52% European, 27% Amerindian ancestry, 9% African and 9% others.[5]
  • Corach, Daniel, 2010, Annals of Human Genetics: 78.5% European, 17.3% Amerindian, and 4.2% African ancestry.[6]
  • According to Norma Pérez Martín, 2007, at least 56% of Argentines would have indigenous ancestry.[7] WikiJuan (talk) 01:24, 17 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ Caputo, M.; Amador, M. A.; Sala, A.; Riveiro Dos Santos, A.; Santos, S.; Corach, D. (2021). "Ancestral genetic legacy of the extant population of Argentina as predicted by autosomal and X-chromosomal DIPs". Molecular Genetics and Genomics. 296 (3): 581–590. doi:10.1007/s00438-020-01755-w. PMID 33580820. S2CID 231911367. Retrieved 13 February 2021.
  2. ^ Homburger; et al. (2015). "Genomic Insights into the Ancestry and Demographic History of South America". PLOS Genetics. 11 (12): e1005602. doi:10.1371/journal.pgen.1005602. PMC 4670080. PMID 26636962.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)
  3. ^ Avena; et al. (2012). "Heterogeneity in Genetic Admixture across Different Regions of Argentina". PLOS ONE. 7 (4): e34695. Bibcode:2012PLoSO...734695A. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0034695. PMC 3323559. PMID 22506044.
  4. ^ "O impacto das migrações na constituição genética de populações latino-americanas" (PDF). Repositorio.unb.br. Archived (PDF) from the original on 1 October 2018. Retrieved 15 January 2018.
  5. ^ "Reference Populations – Geno 2.0 Next Generation". Genographic.nationalgeographic.com. Archived from the original on 24 November 2017. Retrieved 15 January 2018.
  6. ^ Corach, Daniel; Lao, Oscar; Bobillo, Cecilia; Gaag, Kristiaan Van Der; Zuniga, Sofia; Vermeulen, Mark; Duijn, Kate Van; Goedbloed, Miriam; Vallone, Peter M.; Parson, Walther; Knijff, Peter De (2010). "Inferring Continental Ancestry of Argentineans from Autosomal, Y-Chromosomal and Mitochondrial DNA". Annals of Human Genetics. 74 (1): 65–76. doi:10.1111/j.1469-1809.2009.00556.x. ISSN 1469-1809. PMID 20059473. S2CID 5908692.
  7. ^ "Indigenas del territorio Argentino: oralidad y supervivencia". Retrieved 15 January 2007.

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According to Latinobarometro

The following table shows how Latin Americans answer the question What race do you consider yourself belonging to? in the Latinobarometro survey.[1]

Country Mestizos Whites Amerindians Blacks Mulattoes Asians Other race
  Argentina 28% 56% 5% 3% 1% 1% 7%
  Bolivia 63% 5% 28% 1% 1% 0% 3%
  Brazil 16% 37% 3% 23% 12% 0% 9%
  Chile 20% 73% 5% 0% 1% 0% 1%
  Colombia 47% 25% 10% 9% 6% 1% 2%
  Costa Rica 34% 37% 9% 4% 17% 0% 0%
  Dominican Republic 29% 16% 6% 17% 25% 1% 6%
  Ecuador 87% 3% 5% 2% 3% 0% 0%
  El Salvador 60% 16% 16% 3% 5% 0% 0%
  Guatemala 37% 7% 48% 1% 5% 1% 0%
  Honduras 49% 19% 10% 5% 17% 0% 1%
  Mexico 58% 9% 21% 1% 2% 1% 7%
  Nicaragua 63% 15% 10% 7% 4% 0% 0%
  Panama 43% 12% 18% 22% 5% 1% 0%
  Paraguay 65% 22% 6% 3% 0% 0% 3%
  Peru 77% 5% 7% 2% 1% 0% 8%
  Uruguay 12% 74% 4% 4% 4% 0% 3%
  Venezuela 43% 31% 8% 7% 9% 0% 3%
Total 46% 27% 11% 6% 6% 0% 3%

WikiJuan (talk) 01:22, 17 March 2022 (UTC) Reply

References

  1. ^ "Informe Latinobarómetro 2018". latinobarometro.org. Retrieved June 10, 2021. Screenshots of results from Latinobarómetro survery: Image 1, Image 2

Colombia's White population

The last census that divided mestizos and blancos says 37% of the population is white. External sources can simply not obtain an average for the entire Colombian population. Overall I believe if we count mulattos as blacks we can count castizos as white. Although both are mixed races, they are predominantly one race over the other, because of this, they are racialized differently. After all, this is what they do in the white chilean, Argentine and white Mexican pages. They count castizos as whites. Race is a social structure. The same way a castizo can be white in Latin America is the same way Italians were not considered white in the US and parts of Europe. I suggest you read this: https://academicworks.cuny.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1206&context=qc_pubs
I also believe we should include genetics on each ethnic page as it is relevant to ancestry. The coast of Colombia is one of the blackest part of Latin America while the interior of Colombia is one of the whitest. There is considerable less amount of Indigenous DNA in Colombia then in most of Latin America. Places like Peru, Chile, Guatemala etc have much more indigenous DNA despite having much less population in total. The fact that there strong African presence in the country shows much natives did not survive colonization.

Enlightened105747 (talk) 17:36, 21 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

it has estimated that between 45-50% of Colombians are white, mainly of Spanish and Middle East with small groups of Italians, Germans, French, and Slav sdescent.https://encolombia.com/educacion-cultura/geografia-colombiana/grupos-humanos-en-colombia/caucasicos-en-colombia/#:~:text=Los%20caucásicos%20en%20Colombia%20vienen,45%25%20y%20el%2050%25. In addition, the famous science publisher PLOS (Public Library Of Science) has determined by sampling the Colombian population that the country has a composition as follows:
The study entitled in 2015 "Genomic Insights into the Ancestry and Demographic History of South America" yielded a European heritage of 62.5%, among the 5 countries with the second highest European ancestry. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4670080/
The study titled in 2018 "Understanding the Hidden Complexity of Latin American Population Isolates
The study "Understanding the Hidden Complexity of Latin American Population Isolates" yielded a European heritage of 72.9% in a study comparing countries such as Costa Rica, Finland, Mexico, Puerto Rico and CEPH-European where Colombia obtained the third highest European composition only behind Finland and CEPH-European. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6218714/
The study titled in 2019 "Assortative Mating on Ancestry-Variant Traits in Admixed Latin American Populations" showed a European heritage of 63.4% in a study comparing countries such as Mexico, Puerto Rico and Peru. Colombia was the second highest component. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6491930/
This shows that Colombia has one of the highest European heritage populations compared to the average of its region, being only surpassed by countries such as Argentina and Puerto Rico (countries considered whites), therefore the sources of recent years should be annexed and maintained. AllegoryofACave13 (talk) 17:41, 21 October 2022 (UTC)Reply