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::::Dear IP editor/Wikiedro/Hueyxocoatzin and other aliases you may adopt in the future, you've tried to lower the percentage of white Mexicans under the same argument two times in this article alone, one in August 2017[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AWhite_Latin_Americans&type=revision&diff=794935941&oldid=794802254][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AWhite_Latin_Americans&type=revision&diff=794948715&oldid=794943898] and one in May 2018[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AWhite_Latin_Americans&type=revision&diff=840474461&oldid=840472421], to both, the answer has been the same: White people with dark hair are called "morenos" in Mexico, just like people with brown skin and also people of African descent are, because of this, you can't use this argument to lower the white population in Mexico, please try to not extend this discussion pointlessly once more as there's nothing to discuss in reality. [[User:Pob3qu3|Pob3qu3]] ([[User talk:Pob3qu3|talk]]) 05:16, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
::::: Para empezar, usted Pob3qu3 está lanzando acusaciones graves que no tienen cabida aquí. Como mencioné en otra parte, somos tres o cuatro IP diferentes (de varios países y ciudades) que estamos disconformes con cómo este artículo patrocina ideas erróneas y sobreentendimientos de referencias que no se deberían sobreentender, por no ser Wikipedia una fuente primaria. Anteriormente he señalado que este estudio corresponde a colorismo, por lo tanto es un error situarlo como un estudio de etnicidad. Además, si hemos de referirnos a colorismo, usted estaría ignorando el estudio de LAPOP-Vanderbilt, que entrega resultados diferentes para el caso. También le pido que no revierta cifras que no tienen ningún consenso: es mejor dejar todo en el <u>piso base de certidumbre y estabilidad</u>, que estar exponiendo cifras extremas y volátiles, y dudosamente sustentadas. Los documentos referenciados en español, en ningún lugar indican que casi el 50% (56 millones) de México es blanco, eso más bien parece un invento suyo, entendiendo a su gusto una referencia que se expresa en términos muy diferentes. Saludos. [[User:Wikiedro|Wikiedro]] ([[User talk:Wikiedro|talk]]) 12:11, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
This is contradictory, because in studios the word "moreno" is used to identificate people with brown skin color, [https://www.excelsior.com.mx/opinion/leo-zuckermann/2017/06/22/1171250 in this studio made by MMSI were appaliced a 11 tones of skin color scale (A the most dark; K the most white), those indentificate themselves with darkness tones present a lower level of scholarity with 20.2% whitout studies, and 28.8% with incomplete elementary school, while 79.2% of those identificate themselves with whiteness tones dispose higher education], [https://www.reporteindigo.com/reporte/mexico-quiere-a-las-personas-morenas/ also, according to the specialist Federico Navarrete Linares of the UNAM, "the poverty in Mexico have a color face remarcable", the racism in Mexico for "moreno" or brown people is heritaged by Spaniards Conquerors and its present today in the popular culture like television, cinema and media], those declarations and investigations are directly directioned by Conare´ds affirmation [https://www.conapred.org.mx/documentos_cedoc/21_Marzo_DiaIntElimDiscRacial_INACCSS.pdf that Mexicans assosiate the white skin color to beauty, more opportunities to make money, influenced by the Racist Media P.7], [https://www.conapred.org.mx/documentos_cedoc/Dossier%20DISC-RACIAL.pdf also for the 55% of people insulted by race or skin color result], [https://www.conapred.org.mx/userfiles/files/Enadis-2010-RG-Accss-002.pdf and the preference (specially in Womens) to choose lightest skin tones for identificate their skin tone themselves P.40-42]. In the read of this page from Google [https://noticieros.televisa.com/especiales/nadie-quiere-ser-moreno-mexico/ -nadie quiere ser moreno en Mexico or Nobody wants to be brown in Mexico-], also support the affirmations of Conapred [https://noticieros.televisa.com/especiales/nadie-quiere-ser-moreno-mexico/ adding that 20% of Mexicans are not happy for their skin color and 24% surffer discrimination; De acuerdo con la Encuesta Nacional sobre Discriminación en México 2010, realizada por el Consejo Nacional para Prevenir la Discriminación (Conapred), el 20% de los mexicanos no está contento con su color de piel. Además, el 24% de nosotros se ha sentido discriminado por su apariencia física] and still supporting the affirmation of the Media influence saying [https://noticieros.televisa.com/especiales/nadie-quiere-ser-moreno-mexico/ that Mexican magazines usually not shows brown or "moreno" people in their publications specially in fashions, reflecting the racial discrimination in Mexico; l año pasado, BuzzFeed publicó una polémica nota que circuló mucho en redes sociales: ‘Así es como las revistas mexicanas reflejan la discriminación racial en México’. Su tesis es tan clara como contundente: las revistas de entretenimiento y modas casi no muestran morenos entre sus páginas e imágenes.] The previous affirmation was sayed by Buzzfeed [https://www.buzzfeed.com/mx/karlaagis/asi-es-como-se-refleja-la-discriminacion-racial-de-mexico-en#.quQ8vE0gb holding the Conapred´s figure of 64.6% Mexicans descriving their color skin as brunette or brown], including an extend comparation of [https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-12/9/13/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web12/sub-buzz-19550-1481306815-1.jpg?downsize=800:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto the Average Mexican People] with [https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-12/9/12/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web09/sub-buzz-22465-1481304984-1.jpg?downsize=800:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto The People who appears in the Magazins], So, while you are saying that "Moreno" are refer to "white people with blakc hair", the studios are showing that the word "Moreno" is appliced exclusively in the brown color skin and it had a bad reputation for most of Mexicans who atribuyed the "Moreno" or Brown skin color to discrimination, ignorance and poverty. In addition, Wikiedro sayed an important issue in this discussion, the page White Latin Americans more needs a directly white percent not skin tones identification, [https://www.conapred.org.mx/userfiles/files/Enadis-2010-RG-Accss-002.pdf so the 11% figure of Mexicans who described themselves as such white are foun in the page.42 of this document]. Thas all. Thanks.